BC's Arkham City

On February 03 2012 21:56 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Nay, you would make a bad Batman, Toad.
You gotta kill 2 ppl, one scum one not. Out of say 40, do you know the odds of shooting 2 specific ppl?
DT helps as well because you find allies sometimes, which is helpful when playing on your own basically.
Between kill X and DT X, kill X if it's late in the game,DT if early.
Why? Because if you find town blues or Red power roles early, you benefit from following their train of thought, then deducing your targets by exclusion.
For example, you find Hugo Strange as Catwoman, you look for whom he may have protected, those are scum and therefore not your targets, as you have to kill 2 blues.
Better, you find a town DT. From his thread presence you deduce whom he has investigated, and shoot amongst those he confs as town.
DT is useful, it only delays your kill count by 1, and you don't end up killing players that make other player's win condition easier to achieve. Else you may end up killing scum and lose because eventually town wins.

You're a bluehunter basically. From the 4 targetsof BM/CW, only 1 is red.

On February 06 2012 16:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
I really love how Dr. H tells everyone to not talk about Batman/Catwoman and then proceeds to post a half page of text on nothing but third party strategy. That's not hypocritical or anything -_-



whose smurf are you and why are you already annoying me with useless trash?

Some discussion is alright, day 1 is fine it gets people talking at least but scumhunting should always be #1 priority.

On February 06 2012 16:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Kenpachi's claim means absolutely nothing, just like it does every game...

Sheth's gotta be scum, look at all that useless filler, and the games only just started.

My activities going to be sub par for the next 16~24 hours, sorry in advance.
Should be right after that though.

I disagree with DocH, who's to know if batman/catwoman are going to shoot accurately.
That's not a risk I want to take, when we could reduce overall KP and give ourselves more time to analyse instead.

To kick off some real discussion.
I'd like to discuss the Joker claiming ASAP.
Sure he dies overnight, but then we have batman as essentially a buffed up version of the same role from that night until the gf dies.
Catwoman's targets on the other hand, where do we balance a known two townie deaths vs potentially a lot more as the game drags on?

At first I thought bad idea (I don't like sacrificing town powerroles), but after thinking it through I think this might be a good idea. Because if Joker is a standard vig with one shot he won't help us all that much anyways.

On February 06 2012 17:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Town has nothing to lose, unless they make a claim that nothing can be made of an issue, as you were attempting to do. As such, pushing Kenpachi for his claim is your scum agenda.

Batman has no motivation to simply sit back and watch. The faster town can hunt Hugo, the less Batman risks being end games. Additionally, the Bat can't die at night, so if he's extremely pro-town, he at much less risk of being lynched if it comes down to the end game.

Short of knowing her targets, Catwoman will be essentially hoping for a mafia victory, and thus killing the most pro-town people.

If we neutralize Catwoman ASAP, and get Batman on our side, we gain a massive advantage.
Yes we lose three townies in the immediate future, but it's better than risking losing more when we don't have to.

On February 06 2012 19:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


If we don't hand the joker over, Batman has to guess who he is, and has a reason to shoot townies.

On February 06 2012 19:25 Tunkeg wrote:


I disagree. If Batman gets Joker early on he have no reason to just go hit hit hit. Him just hitting blindly after getting one of his target may just whittle down one of the allignement to a point where Batman may risk:

A: Getting daylynch (chance increase when number of remaining players decrease)
B: One side winning (causing Batman to lose if he have lynched Hugo, but not Joker and town winning, or if he have lynched Joker, but not Hugo and scum winning).

So Batmans should hit hit hit until he gets one of the targets (or one side is getting low) and then he MUST DT, that is optimal for Batman IMO.

On February 06 2012 20:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

If the early DT checks die, it was all for naught. He might as well shoot into the dark.

On February 06 2012 20:03 Tunkeg wrote:


Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though.

My way: Early hits is pretty safe for Batman as both factions are far from elimination. Therefor my logic is that he might as well just hit and try his luck instead of DT the ones he suspects and then later hit them.

Dr H's way: DT all the way until he finds his targets. Secure that Batman don't help any faction, and is the safer option as he won't whittle away any of the factions. It might take longer for Batman to secure his objectives compared to my way, but it is definatly safer.

Your way: DT early and hit late makes Batmans hit more accurate as he have less people to chose from. But this is the most risky strat of it all for Batman IMO. Cause if Batman misshit lategame he might just end the game.

Well, now I have rambled on long enough about the Joker claim thing. I think all of you know where I stand and why. Unless someone want me to clarify more on my stance I will just leave this for now, so other topics may be discussed or others might put in their two cents on the Joker claim thing.

Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though.

On February 06 2012 22:01 ico wrote:



And we have another herp derp poster. You are making your own case. Only scum knows whether someone is on their team by now. So you are either scum or stupid townie. In each case you are a threat to town.

On February 06 2012 22:34 ico wrote:




It is way to early in day 1 to go for a random vote. The person Adam votes for has not even posted in the thread yet. I'd not care so much about it if it was close to the posting and voting deadline, which makes a random vote excusable, but still not desired.
Please note I have not put my vote on him yet, about ten people haven't even posted and day 1 still lasts for quite a while.

But I am seriously irritated by the fact that actions like day1 townclaim or early day 1 random votes are done at all and get defended by other posters.

On February 06 2012 22:47 ico wrote:


I am aware of that and there is a distinction between having a random voting stage and just randomly voting in a situation that doesn't force it. But we should probably have any further discussion about that after this game, it is derailing.

On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote:
Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs.

On February 06 2012 23:46 Kurumi wrote:

I said not much. If there was normal serial killer in play, would You discuss something about him besides his existence ?

On February 07 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I see that Kitaman might be scum! I've made one action this game, and it was an attempt to get clarity from the mod. Somehow this makes me scum?

The reason I asked was this:



It's a little ambiguous as to how the deadshot KP works and I wanted mod confirmation that it wasn't what I read it as...which is that Strange gives him a character name and Deadshot kills that guy if he's in the game. The reason I thought it worked this way is because of the fact that not all the names mentioned are guaranteed to be in the game, so it would be a decent way to force scum to think about how they use that KP, because it could be ineffective.

Anyway, the fact that anyone is voting for me for this is a little disturbing considering there's already like 3 pages of setup speculation and a mass-claim has been proposed. Kitaman, care to explain your vote in a little detail? Or are you scum just hoping to start a bandwagon?

On February 07 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
First of all

##Unvote: kitaman27

Now for the good stuff.

VisceraEyes Lynch List of Accuracy

layabout - For criticizing others play as being non-contributory, yet contributes nothing of substance himself. Any idea who he thinks is scum? Me either.
Katina - Again, criticizing others for not contributing, but not contributing. Masquerading doesn't count guys - you actually have to do something.
kitaman27 - Kita appears to be doing something akin to scumhunting, and because he's a veteran, I'm willing to wait on his lynch - however, I think he's scum because he appealed to Forumite's suspicion of me to try and get a bandwagon started, but never even really voted for me…just stinks and I don't like it. But again, Kita is my weakest read at this point and I wouldn't be butthurt if we didn't lynch him today.

Also, Palmar is mistaken - lynching me is totally NOT always a net-gain for town. He's saying this because he's a prick.

So, there you have it.

##Vote: layabout

On February 07 2012 07:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
alright, new plan, if hugo winds up dead, the joker comes forward.
And we kill docH because he's catwoman

On February 07 2012 08:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
And of course you waited until I called you out before doing anything.

On February 07 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm interested Doc - care to point out where Katina or layabout have contributed more than I have? Shouldn't be hard considering how little I've contributed. I appreciate that you think I only show up to defend myself, but that's simply not the case. Like you, I woke up to accusations. I think it's pretty ironic that you phrase it that way when you yourself had to use the same defense.

On February 07 2012 08:30 Kurumi wrote:
DrH, You've missed the point of the list. It wasn't to show scum or town, it's too early to do that. It was list of generic info about players (really generic..) people who were suspicious and people who should be important in the game.

On February 07 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
You literally said "All 3 players have contributed more than you" in your case against me in reference to the 3 players on my lynch list Doc. And the fact that they're not contributing is NOT the point. MY point is that they're criticizing others for not contributing WHILE NOT CONTRIBUTING THEMSELVES. That DOES make them more likely to be mafia than me because I'm actually contributing and hunting scum.

Doctor. Lord of the Typefaces. You've got the wrong guy. I'm trying to lynch the scums.

On February 07 2012 19:09 Palmar wrote:
you guys are forgetting the possibility of batman/catwoman killing shit because they feel like it.

On February 07 2012 18:49 Tyrran wrote:



As much as I agree with you on Batman, I disagree on you Catwoman stance. In my eyes, Catwoman wants to help scum. Her target are one vig and one vig/DT, both valuable target for scum. A scum victory will most likely pass through the death of both of these player. I'm not sure she is going to shoot N1 ( even tho shes has 3/4 chance of hitting town), but she will start shooting much earlier than Batman. We could get lucky and have her hit scum, but i wouldnt rely on it. As far as I stand, i'm considering Catwoman as a scum that town should get rid of if given the possibility.


@Kenpachi : Are you planning on being usefull, or do you want town to lynch you before you got the chance to do it? Are you planning to do anything else than OMGUS'ing people that vote for you ? The only reason i'm not voting for you is that you've had similar bad play in Steamship. How are you expecting town not to lynch you with this kind of play ?

@rgTheSchworz : So now that you created some pressure in order to get lynch target, what did you find out ? Who do you think we should lynch ?

On February 07 2012 19:27 Toadesstern wrote:
not sure yet. Probably someone out of CC / layabout. If neither of those 2 is going to be an option I'd be happy to lynch BM / Kenpachi / Palmar instead.

On February 07 2012 19:44 Toadesstern wrote:


Yeah I've got the bad habbit of stopping to work when I'm told that I'm useless. Hapnned last game too. I did big ass analyses about Sandroba and everyone ignored them telling me I'm doing bullshit.
I figured I could give you at least a couple of names instead of explaining this time so that should make people happy and you're able to tell if I'm mafia or not depending on the flips. I for example don't like rad because of his list (VE, Kita, myself).
I don't have to talk about myself, Kita looks town to me and VE is leaning town for me but I'm not sure there yet. Easy shit.

On the BM matter: BM / Kenpachi / Palmar are the 3 people I'd like to see lynch if we can't one of CC / layabout lynched. I think layabout and especially CC are more likely to flip mafia (or badman / catwoman).

On February 07 2012 21:52 Palmar wrote:
lol, DocH is not on the list because all he's posted is completely irrelevant.

On February 07 2012 22:41 Toadesstern wrote:


yeah but I'd much rather not lynch Radfield d1.
And no if I apply the same logic to other people and barly come to the same conclusion. I'm not done reading everyone's filter so I can't say that for people after #17 inr our list because I haven't reread their filters yet and everything I got on them is a gut feeling.

On February 07 2012 22:56 Toadesstern wrote:
Well here we go. I take everything back I said about radfield. Pretty much the same as Palmar for me now :p

On February 07 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote:


that's because I'm not sure if he did that on purpose and I do not know what to make of it. He might be pulling a wbg on me and everyone else.

I don't like lynching vets d1. Said the same in L. Remember I was the guy telling everyone to not lynch Palmar? I ended up being a townie (a vet) as well. So it really is my opionion. And with rads most recent post I'd even say he's leaning town for me right now. He just posted so little that it's hard to judge.

On February 07 2012 23:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Of course it's not good. Explain how it gives any info at all about his alignment when the guy does it in every single game regardless? He even does it in games that don't have vanilla townies.

Furthermore BC's disclaimer was not talking about traitors it was talking about characters who have more than one category as in Harley Quinn falling under both Medic and Vigilante if I'm not mistaken

On February 08 2012 12:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On the off-chance I die, look into all the people that called my plan anti-town.

On February 08 2012 12:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Catwoman had her way, and that's regretful.
That doesn't mean it was a bad plan.

On February 08 2012 12:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

The mafia game doesn't last that long. Why gamble on having two nights when you can hit a person every night?

On February 08 2012 12:38 chaoser wrote:


He's saying that because he only claimed vigi that mafia, batman, AND catwoman would all have to shoot him to see if he's one of their targets or not. Mafia obvs want to kill blue roles (vigi), batman wants to kill the joker (a vigi) and catwoman wants to kill Penguin and Two-Face (both vigis). Though I guess it could turn into a WIFOM thing where one of multiple of them decide not to shoot cause they think the other group will shoot. I dunno, i can see the logic behind a "no name claim" stance but I don't know if it really matters or not in pulling more than 1 bullet.

On February 08 2012 12:57 chaoser wrote:


I mean...batman can pick whatever he wants other people to see him as. I don't see why batman can't fake claim. In fact batman SHOULD fakeclaim if he's about to be lynched as a blue like vigi or DT since mafia won't be able to shoot him and town isn't going to want to lynch him either. I don't think CC is batman or else he would have fakeclaimed by now.

On February 08 2012 18:21 Palmar wrote:


Why did you vote for him then?

On February 08 2012 18:22 Tunkeg wrote:


And don't worry you are only number 3 on my list, I won't focus on you until at least chaoser is dead and gone away.

On February 08 2012 19:14 Tunkeg wrote:


LIE!!!!

You wrote many times you thought CC was Batman...

But I think you are scum and you knew CC was on the townside...

On February 09 2012 08:27 evantrees wrote:

Started with some simpler stuff to respond to, posted then went to read the QT.

"evantrees has been even more quiet than usual."
I feel like I have had less to complain about, trying to do less of that anyways, after some comments from L think it was postgame.

Catwoman if you would be so kind as to let our DT live a little while, this mess will probably continue giving you a chance to hide, go look for the penguin at this rate two face will probably be dead when you get back.

Can we strongly consider lynching the next person to claim without a damned reason?

Palmer who was in the lead for dumbest post when cheese was lynched?


The deadline is 1 Kst.

Slardar what part of "unless a role states otherwise." don't you get.

"DT is also a self-confirmable role and difficult to pull off as mafia"
DT not as hard to fake when they have one of their own is it?

On February 09 2012 09:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, this has certainly been a useless interesting night.

Sheth's complete absence absolutely solidifies my read on him, and unless some darling vig has done the job for me, I'm making it my duty to see him hang tomorrow if I survive the night. Take a look at his previous games guys, he's WAAAAAAY more active than this as town, and all the crazy shit that's gone on today would NOT have gone without comment from townSheth. He gotta HANG bro, and whoever doesn't think so is fucking SCUM and will be treated as such.

Night ends in a few hours, and because I'll probably die to some idiot town vig (thanks Palmar/Rad -.-) make sure he gets his daily dose of fiber if you please.

Others who need to taste of the delicious rope:

Katina - Still have no idea who Katina thinks is scum. She's popped in to toss in a comment or two during the shennanies, but interestingly no comment on who should hang or why.

DocH - Actively opposed my Sheth lynch. Why? Because he was scumhunting THIRD PARTY. We should be aiming for scum guys, every lynch we have needs to be aiming for SCUM. We have to kill SCUM to win. If DocH (or anyone for that matter) honestly thought C_C was 3rd party, your asses should have been on the Sheth lynch.

hiro protagonist - this guy....yup. I think this guy is scum. I'm ready to "pull the trigger" (quotes indicating that this is NOT a soft-claim of any kind) on a hiro lynch. He's my weakest read of the 4 I'm ready to lynch, though...mainly based on the LOOOOOW content.

On February 09 2012 09:16 layabout wrote:

As mafia, i would almost certainly pretend to have not known about the QT, since mafia 99% about the QT, openly complaining about it being hidden from you seems like a cheap way to buy town cred.

Nobody in town should be openly speculating about who they think the town blues are when the non-town players are deciding who to shoot.

On February 09 2012 15:51 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I investigated Dr. H last Night. Got guilty as expected.
I honestly dont know why they didn t kill me or RB me or why I am still alive now.
Will be posting more after 6 h or so.

On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?

BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC please correct me.

So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane.

On February 09 2012 16:52 Adam4167 wrote:
... if he were catwoman, his check would be accurate and that would make you red.

On February 09 2012 17:02 Toadesstern wrote:
I still don't know what to make out of Schworz, especially the fact that he's still alive.

Sadly I can't tell you if I got hit tonight because mechanism of being immortal doesn't tell me if I get hit. Maybe I got hit by mafia, maybe I got hit by a vig, maybe I got hit by thirdparty. I would have survived all those yesterday and given the flips I'm going to survive them again tonight. So it's another night of immortality but I don't know if I used that power.

On February 09 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Could be that Schworz is bullshitting and picked something up what I breadcrumbded day1 as mafia as well but I don't think so.

On February 09 2012 17:47 Tunkeg wrote:


There is a third choice and that is that DrH is an Insane inmate.

On February 09 2012 17:51 Tunkeg wrote:
DrH, what role did you claim? And where?

On February 09 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote:


I am not giving anyone any excuses. Best case scenario one is lying and one of them is either scum or third party and will be offed. Worst case scenario both are telling the truth causing us to do two misslynch.

On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:


Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed...

On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote:


Why do you think DrH is blue?

On February 09 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote:
we're masoned (ie: we know each other's alignment, confirmed by host).

On February 09 2012 09:21 Palmar wrote:
I'm bored, but I need to sleep.

I changed my two face kill back to risk.nuke, he needs to die hardcore.

On February 09 2012 06:11 Palmar wrote:
Remember, we get to invite two people to our mason circle tomorrow.

On February 09 2012 18:44 ico wrote:
#Vote Palmar

Either him or Jackal were lying about the Phoneqt. It was confirmed to exist by BC, and Jackal turned up as exactly what he claimed yesterday.
That leaves Palmar, who by his actions further confused and irritated everyone* instead of helping to clear them up.


*me. And slardar basically got killed because of this phone crap.

On February 09 2012 18:51 Palmar wrote:


And does the fact that you know his role explicitly make him town? IE: do you know his role-name or something? Because I don't want to get stuck in another xlviii situation "he claimed his role correctly, so he cannot be scum".

On February 09 2012 18:52 Palmar wrote:


I was invited by Jackal I think? I just got a link in a PM.

On February 09 2012 02:19 Palmar wrote:
I claim two-face too, you see, the role is shared between two people who are basically masons. That's why I told Toad he was dumb. I threw some suspicion on him day 1 without ever intending to lynch him (we're confirmed town to each other, obviously). Also I told him not to claim, but he refused to listen to that.

He's the "good" part (DT) and I'm the "bad" part (vigilante)

So yeah, I can confirm Toad's claim.

On February 09 2012 18:59 Palmar wrote:


I didn't mean "I just recenetly got a link in PM."
I meant "I simply got a link in a PM."

And yes, I've been posting in it since yesterday.

In addition, I have no idea what you're talking about. I have never claimed two face.

On February 09 2012 19:04 Tunkeg wrote:


So this is not some unclever scumplan having you and Toad shitting all over this thread trying to confusing us with stuff the we have no chance in verifying and little reason to belive in?

On February 09 2012 19:20 ico wrote:


Emphasis on the last two sentences. Why aren't DoctorHelveticus and Toadesstern modkilled?
They are making shit up. Which leaves us with both being liars.


Who else does this apply to?
rgTheSchworz? need to reread his claims

On February 09 2012 19:27 Palmar wrote:




If you guys are telling the truth, shouldn't you be modkilled by now?

Also, rg's claim doesn't hold up either, because he only claimed alignment, not role.

On February 09 2012 19:37 Toadesstern wrote:
mmh I shot BC a pm asking about the details. As I understand it neither of us did something wrong because neither of us told you what either ones 2nd power is.
I'm going to know what I am allowed to claim and what not sometime soon I guess. What happened yesterday should not be a problem because it was a fakeclaim and surely I am not "immortal" :p

On February 09 2012 19:43 Toadesstern wrote:
hey DocH, did you get shot? And when I ask you if you got shot I'm asking if you got shot.

On February 08 2012 05:47 Radfield wrote:
Man.... Why did you claim schworz?

Please stop talking about the mason thread BM, and please stop talking about a mass claim. The Mason thread is completely unimportant, and 99.99% infiltrated by scum, which is unsurprising when it contains half the player base. If you are not in the mason circle, don't worry. I would actually post the link to the thread to stop the discussion, but can't because Joker is basically exposed in that thread. Anyways, a 15 player circle has basically no value.

Toad looks decent for now, so I'm switching to Sheth. His defense was mediocre at best, and he STILL only posted his reads upon being pressed. I don't even think he voted.

I'm willing to switch to cyber_cheese if need be. I'm gone for the rest of the night pretty much until lynch time.

##Vote: Sheth

On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote:

OMGUS much?

You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming.

On February 09 2012 16:47 jaybrundage wrote:
Imma try to write as i go pretty far behind 30 pages about half way thru. First time trying this lets see how it goes :D

Tunkeg are you seriously doing your tunneling to the death again. It was bad in student mafia and its bad now. You have to stop getting so emotinally invested. If someone offends you it does not mean they are mafia. You need to stop this bad play now its anti town. Put a case but dont do this emotional bullshit.

Toad claims Two-face and says hes immortal. Just a bad play regardless. I think he has some "plan" and it probably involves a fake claim.

Wait Palmar is twoface too thats wierd. Nvm why would Palmar make that thing up with toad i dont get it.

Maybe a counter to cat women. (Perhaps hes Poison Ivy trying to get Catwomen to DT, take a hit at her and then Idk maybe a tracker/watcher involved (forgot which does which) to out the third party) Its wierd to say the least. I kind of dont like it because information is gold in a mafia game. And if you really are Twoface you just gave away information for free : /

Jackal Claims Santa Claus
Scare Crow? maybe Nvm hes zasza (he died)


Crazy QT buziness going on. Apparently a fake Palmar in the QT?

BM claims Hush the medic. I still have no idea why everyone is claiming this game. Is it because of the unique names. Its very wierd.

Wow this is a crazy fucken game. Toad tried to draw a bullet for RGthetwoface but Rg Counterclaims and totally loses the chance of not dying rofl so we have a dead blue tonight god this game is crazy

Offtopic But pics of Opz in creased pants and a button up or it didnt happen

And Jackal died looks like he was blue crazy he got to kill people in his own QT :o

And two townies as well

Both inmates were insane (miller) correct its not a typo.

It seems wierd that two insane townies got killed i would almost say the work of some wierd role. And it looks like one mafia/vig shot got blocked. A claim of a hit from RGtheshouldbedead. Well i caught up. Im really tired atm so no analazy from me i will try to be a bit more active tho D:

On February 09 2012 20:25 Forumite wrote:

So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face.

On February 09 2012 20:30 Tunkeg wrote:


He want to hang him for it, and you to. I agree...

On February 09 2012 20:36 Forumite wrote:

I want to know if there are any Town reasons for him doing what he did. If there is no Town reasons then I must assume there are scum reasons. Messing up happens, at least we didn´t loose a Blue because of it, but we could have.

Toades, I don´t care who, just tell me, do you have a read on a Two-Face that isn´t Schworz?

On February 09 2012 20:37 Tunkeg wrote:


Him for playing a really really confusing game, which I can only belive to be non-townie. And you for getting DT checked comming out red, and after that filling this post up with alot of confusing stuff. You are the one who said either you or rgTS is lying. I belive it to be you, am I wrong, then we would by your logic kill him.

On February 09 2012 20:42 Tunkeg wrote:


Yes, this I have allready advocated earlier. But you said that unless BC is lying to you this isn't true...

On February 09 2012 20:52 Toadesstern wrote:


what are you talking about? I don't need to claim, it's enough to claim your name and you don't need to claim your special power. If you pick the right name that's fine with me and I'll confirm it. This is going to be so hilarious and see massive amounts of shitstorm comming.

On February 09 2012 20:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

If you don't know you don't know. I'll need to talk to BC before I claim. It really matters how I claim my role.

On February 09 2012 21:35 Kurumi wrote:
Death to Ra's Ghul!
##vote DoctorHelvetica

On February 09 2012 21:38 Kurumi wrote:

He's a veteran and You claimed a shot.

On February 09 2012 21:49 Kurumi wrote:
Also trying to claim that DT is as insane as insane is claiming miller.
Oh wait, You've already claimed blue. Too bad.

On February 09 2012 22:56 Radfield wrote:


That's ridiculous. There is no way in the world that Catwoman would not shoot RG last night. It was a free Two-face kill. Schworz even claims he took a hit, but a catwoman hit is unblockable unless you are a vet or Poison Ivy. Schworz is neither of those, hence the most likely option is that he is catwoman.

Also, if he was actually a detective he should have gotten back a role, not just alignment.



Why do you think that mafia have a medic? I don't see that anywhere in the OP. I see DT, Roleblocker, Vet + 3 KP.

On February 09 2012 22:58 Kurumi wrote:
Actually, I think I might know what's going on with Schworz then.
He might be Poison Ivy. She is unkillable by CW. This means, if CW hit him, it would have no effect. And, as You said, we can be sure CW actually did hit Schworz. Although, this still means he's town. A really weird gambit if You ask me.

On February 09 2012 23:02 Toadesstern wrote:
well a simple name would be enough for me to understand and you could claim everything else later on if you got the name

On February 09 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:
ok this one is easy. We screw everything DocH, myself and Schworz said for now and vote Sheth.

If he flips anything but tyger (miller would be okayish as well) we lynch Radfield. gg no re. I don't think it's that unlikely that someone would have protected radfield. He's a vet after all. Bitches love protecting vets.

On February 09 2012 23:13 Palmar wrote:


That's extremely interesting Radfield.

Remember when I at the start of the game posted the lyrics to "Don't Cry" by guns and roses?

The key line is "I've been there before". I rolled the same role as last time Radfield. Unlike last time my role is town-sided.

What's interesting is that, being the joker, my kills are unblockable, except I can't kill the veterans and batman/catwoman.

So, now. What do we do with you? You've basically confirmed yourself as batman or catwoman. Do we lynch you? Or do we allow you go for another day. In addition, this means it's very likely your investigation is correct on sheth... So we have both a confirmed 3rd party and a confirmed scum.

On February 09 2012 23:20 Toadesstern wrote:
I know EXACTLY what is going on with Palmar. Palmar knows EXACTLY what is going on with me. DocH knows EXACTLY what is going on with me but isn't able to catch the drift palmar did :p

On February 09 2012 23:21 Toadesstern wrote:


no need to be worried right now. I'd say you might end up being his counterpart lol

On February 09 2012 23:28 Kurumi wrote:

Shape-shifting clay monster.

On February 09 2012 23:46 Toadesstern wrote:

there were some people requesting logs from that QT and people (like Rad) said it's to dangerous to do that because the Joker is claimed or know within the walls of that mighty QT if I am correct.

If you think Rad is batman and you know Rad is able to read and post there as well, is that guy who is supposed to be joker already one of the victims of yesterday? Or is he still alive?
Also would you agree that it's to dangerous o link logs?

On February 09 2012 23:53 Kurumi wrote:
Anyway DrH, I believe You now. I just wanted some reactions.

On February 10 2012 00:26 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah not my fault. It's docH who did this

style. As already mentioned I'm not retarded and don't need those winks :D

On February 10 2012 00:30 Jayjay54 wrote:


actually you mentioning a "codeword" made me realize it...whatever.

so what to do? I feel like lynching sheth seems like a good option and will information to continue, too.

in other news: katina, opz, evantrees,

On February 10 2012 00:34 Jayjay54 wrote:


what about clayface hidden stuff. you appear randomly as someone when checked. because you can turn into anything. Basically a flavoured miller.

On February 10 2012 00:38 Jayjay54 wrote:
hmm. if you don't appear red, than rg is black or red. it's as simple, isn't it?

On February 10 2012 00:39 Tyrran wrote:


I prefer my explanation of Two face flipping a coin when checking someone. Head : rigth result. Tail: Wrong result. Rigth now, i'm thinking rG is two face. I'd still like some explanation from him tho.

On February 10 2012 00:42 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and DocH I don't want you to claim more than you already did. There's simply no need to right now. Let's wait for the next cycle ans see the lynch first.

On February 10 2012 00:46 Toadesstern wrote:
sure, still no reason to claim more than you already did.

On February 10 2012 00:51 Jayjay54 wrote:


yup, his character's bio states that he can't just kill someone, but rather has to "set up a trap/riddle" they can't solve.

Looking how the game is right now, that's definitely the case.

This also means twoface will have some coin flip mechanic included. This also means, that scum roles will have special abilites as well.

=> instead of looking for clues we might search the batman game wiki for hints. Maybe this helps e.g. to assign people like palmar to a certain role.

On February 08 2012 12:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why would mafia waste three bullets on you if you don't say name versus only one if you do? That doesn't make sense unless you're the Joker. If you're the Joker you're still gonna get guarded. Your argument is as impressive as wet clay.

On February 10 2012 03:05 Katina wrote:

There you go again. Same as day one, the votes start coming in then you quickly jump up to defend yourself...again. Where have you been this whole time? It's about time people start seeing that you should be lynched. You haven't been very useful helping find scum since the begining so why start now? Maybe because people shifted their attention back on you?
As for me going missing under a rock? It's actually cozy and warm there, it also makes for a good spot to read the millions of posts I missed while I was sleeping.

On February 10 2012 02:02 ico wrote:
Answer me this, why would a town aligned Toad and a town aligned DrH spam so damn much?

On February 10 2012 18:04 wherebugsgo wrote:


like seriously, the hell is this

you KNOW my intention in saying that was that I actually am making an effort to read the thread, while rg is not.

I don't believe your claim for a second and I will honestly be incredibly surprised if Sheth flips scum.

And yes, I realize I will look like a total fucking moron if Sheth actually does flip scum.

On February 10 2012 18:29 Palmar wrote:
In addition bugs. As I've explained, there is a reason to believe Radfield did DT check Sheth and there is no reason to believe he's not telling the truth about the result.

Radfield lying about the result makes no sense no matter his alignment. And seeing as Radfield is confirmed as 3rd party (through my shot), it would indeed be counter-productive for him to lie, and likely get hanged.

I don't think you're reading the thread. I think you're raging for no reason at all. Why are you doing it?

On February 10 2012 18:46 Palmar wrote:


Bugs is very good scum. Like most people I'd have written off as town by now because his frustration seems kinda genuine. But he could easily pull this off. It's his town play that sucks. If a good townie had the reads he has I'd immediately conclude he's scum purely based on trying to push stupid lynches.

So, for now, I'm using the ignore and hope it goes away approach. We're lynching sheth, even with the chance he'll flip miller it's the correct play to do it. There are very few people in this game I would not lynch on a DT check on day2 from a person I am 100% sure has the ability to DT check, and has no reason to lie about it.

On February 11 2012 01:38 Kurumi wrote:

Wrong

On February 11 2012 01:44 rgTheSchworz wrote:
A medic protected me.
What is CC?

On February 11 2012 01:52 rgTheSchworz wrote:
And even if I m not Two-Face, the real Two-face wouldnt counter-claim me.
He would be so exposed to CW.

On February 11 2012 01:54 Toadesstern wrote:


nono, the real Two-Face is immortal! :p

On February 11 2012 02:00 Kurumi wrote:

I believe You're town, because You'd be dead other way.

Medics get off me ASAP. Toad doesn t understand I ll be catfood tonight.
When I flip, please lynch this liar= DocH.

So, the check should be real. However, you can just ignore it, Rad s check hasn t been scoffed at as was mine.
We´re lynching only one guy today, anyways.
I also must remind myself to post some thoughts as soon as I catch up with the thread and figure out Toad´s role

On February 11 2012 02:05 Kurumi wrote:

Schworz must be town. Look at Catwoman role description. Then look at Schworz claiming being hit. Then add up things like:
-He'd be dead if he wasn't one of vets or Poison Ivy
-Since he's alive, he must be one of the vets or Poison Ivy
-Since he was trying to get hits on him, and he got info about being hit, he's most likely vet.
-CW's best hit was Schworz.
It all adds up.

On February 11 2012 02:17 Kurumi wrote:

No point in DT-ing. Hit and he's dead Two-Face? Amazing! Hit and he's not dead? That gives CW enough info.

On February 11 2012 02:24 Jayjay54 wrote:
whatever, too much speculation.

You wanna lynch bugs, kurumi?

Who do you want to see dead doc?

On February 11 2012 10:34 jaybrundage wrote:

WBG you think sheth is being bussed now huh wow no fucken kidding

On February 11 2012 11:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:
DoctorHelvetica...Please...

On February 11 2012 14:12 ~OpZ~ wrote:

So ignore my question a second time...so what game was that n where r my repeated vig calls?
Yes. I'm uncertain of u but ur claims unchallenged so I have no choice
Stop pressing me. N now I'm fairly certain the person I know is confirmed. I'm happy with my town read.

On February 10 2012 01:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:

He knew it because Jackal? He's in the phone booth QT

And another post afterwards getting mad because a townie is pressuring for what doc H is claiming, when a DT received a red check? You renigged your claim of two face, so what the hell are you talking about toad. Jesus....I've never been 100% down for LAL but shit, Palmar, Toad, DocH, gtfo this game.


You forgot toad and doc H, bro.

On February 11 2012 15:09 hiro protagonist wrote:
WBG is not stupid enough as scum to try and re-direct a lynch from his scum buddy when He had a DT check and 20+ votes on him with hours left in the day. But you know, thats just WIFOM i guess, but why make the effort to look stupid?

On February 11 2012 17:51 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Palmar, I think you didn t mention having multiple shots......

On February 06 2012 19:13 Kurumi wrote:
I find it funny how Schworz wanted to create discussion by voting Kenpachi and he indeed did.
The mass claim is weak, just looking at things that Poison Ivy can be two roles (Medic and Vigilante) same deal with Harley Quinn and Two-Face can be either Vigilante or Detective. (AKA, what will You do when You have 2 Two-Faces or even 3?)
The interesting thing though is Scum Doc, besides Scum Vig and Scum RB(Talia al Ghul).
And to make it even funnier, there's DT-Vet too (Ra's Al Ghul). Killing Hugo(GF Medic or Jailkeeper?) removes Deadshot's(additional kp, the Vig I believe) power from the game.
So:
Mafia has 3KP and a lot of additional actions. They're like mini-town setup on their own. Where that puts us?
Mafia can easily fakeclaim, because they have the powers, easy as that.
About Schworz, I just ponder, is he IWANNABETHEHEROTOWN or he's like scumvoteasfastaspossible, pardon, but piling votes on him that fast does might be a little wrong (and that early in the day, sup dead set lynch when it's left 8-10 hours). On the other hand, we kind-of can't have Vigi kill him if he's scum.. Y'know, the Doc.

On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote:
Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs.

On February 07 2012 03:41 Kurumi wrote:
1.Bill Murray - He's back. A lot of posts.
2. Kenpachi - Don't worry if You forget about him playing.
3. Visceraeyes - "Core" of TL mafia
4. Toadesstern - Still quite new
5. Hiro Protagonist - "Core" of TL mafia
6. Jayjay54 - New
7. Layabout - New
8. Cyber_cheese - Still quite new // "core"?
9. Doctor Helvetica - Uh, need advice from someone like Jackal
10. Jackal58 - lurky, aggressive and good.
11. Slardar - new
12. Tobberath - new
13. jaybrundage - new I guess?
14. Wherebugsgo - vocal aggressive and good
15. Tyran - new
16. Tunkeg - new
17. Kurumi - troll/"core" player many posts (myself, ask away)
18. Risk.nuke - Still quite new
19. Opz - ???
20. Kitaman27 - Quite good, been here for a while
21. ico - new
22. Evantrees - new
23. -_-qualis - new
24. forumite - "core"
25. Liquid`sheth - new, but played a lot of rl mafia
26. Radfield - if not dead N1 he's mafia. seriously though, amazing player
27. rgtheschworz - new
28. Palmar - sufferring from something I can't name, or maybe it's boredom because of role received?
29. Chaoser - was baller and not so baller since
30. Katina - new
31. Adam4167 - some say promising newbie

I'd like people to add things to this player list, I'll how do You call it? important people // known // good
should be discussed

On February 07 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote:

All Your posts are utter garbage.
Do I need to motivate You with a vote to help Town?
Oh wait, maybe You don't want to help us?
Why are You defending Kenpachi?

it was list of generic info about players (really generic..) people who were suspicious and people who should be important in the game."

I haven't looked into Sheth case. Give me some time.

On February 07 2012 23:06 Kurumi wrote:

You're bloody traitor.

On February 08 2012 07:34 Kurumi wrote:
I am afraid because i have no time and my targets are not exactly the candidates Didnt look into sheth or cc too much is vote wbg if it would matter but it doesnt so i voted qualis because he is my strong scum read too

On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote:
Look:
My strongest scum read is WBG.
He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument.
No big efforts and backed up by scummy people.
Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case.

On February 08 2012 11:48 Kurumi wrote:

I'll probably won't have time to redeem myself.

On February 08 2012 11:51 Kurumi wrote:

Another day to prove Yourself? Deal.

On February 08 2012 12:11 Kurumi wrote:
Chaoser, indeed.
WBG
Layabout
Qualis
my reads, top being the strongest.
They are crumbling though. Most of the suspicion on WBG comes on soft-defense of Sheth and ressurecting Schworz and being backed up by individuals like BM. Layabout..
Terrible pictures
useless at the beginning and actively lurking
voted cc without reason
only defends himself
Qualis
defending Kenpachi
saying that claiming d1 is completly fine and gives no info or indication of alignment

On February 08 2012 12:14 Kurumi wrote:

I am not trying to dodge the lynch, I don't give a fuck. Lynch me, fine. I understand why You're thinking that's a good decision.
No need for claiming anything. Let's say, stars aligned perfectly with something. Somehow I am on a vig spree lately.

On February 08 2012 12:21 Kurumi wrote:
My train of thought
WBG is scummy. No way of swinging lynch on him.
He defends Sheth, high probability of being scumbuddies.
Proceed to vote Sheth.
Then I get caught in my stupidity. My faith in my read on WBG crumbles.
CC is the guy I never investigated because I tunneled people I've seen on my scum list.
Layabout is on me now, was on CC. No way to get him up for lynch either. Forfeit him in favor of WBG.
Then I get caught on being narrowminded and that most of my reads are for shreds. Although, Qualis still rubs me wrong way. Low activity, scummy behaviour, like, I can't be that wrong.

On February 08 2012 12:24 Kurumi wrote:

Vigilantes are in the danger zone. I refuse.

On February 08 2012 12:28 Kurumi wrote:

The last time I made a big post on someone and the first time I believe was Merc Mini 2, pushing Radfield the Town Day One.
I was Town.

On February 09 2012 21:35 Kurumi wrote:
Death to Ra's Ghul!
##vote DoctorHelvetica

Qualis
defending Kenpachi
saying that claiming d1 is completly fine and gives no info or indication of alignment

On February 09 2012 21:35 Kurumi wrote:

I did not shoot. Kudos to You.

On February 09 2012 22:58 Kurumi wrote:
Actually, I think I might know what's going on with Schworz then.
He might be Poison Ivy. She is unkillable by CW. This means, if CW hit him, it would have no effect. And, as You said, we can be sure CW actually did hit Schworz. Although, this still means he's town. A really weird gambit if You ask me.

On February 09 2012 23:02 Kurumi wrote:

Schworz is Poison Ivy Vigilante and he hit You. Since You did not flip, he assumed You're Ra's Al Ghul.