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On February 03 2012 21:56 rgTheSchworz wrote: Nay, you would make a bad Batman, Toad. You gotta kill 2 ppl, one scum one not. Out of say 40, do you know the odds of shooting 2 specific ppl? DT helps as well because you find allies sometimes, which is helpful when playing on your own basically. Between kill X and DT X, kill X if it's late in the game,DT if early. Why? Because if you find town blues or Red power roles early, you benefit from following their train of thought, then deducing your targets by exclusion. For example, you find Hugo Strange as Catwoman, you look for whom he may have protected, those are scum and therefore not your targets, as you have to kill 2 blues. Better, you find a town DT. From his thread presence you deduce whom he has investigated, and shoot amongst those he confs as town. DT is useful, it only delays your kill count by 1, and you don't end up killing players that make other player's win condition easier to achieve. Else you may end up killing scum and lose because eventually town wins. You're a bluehunter basically. From the 4 targetsof BM/CW, only 1 is red. If Batman could PM the detective ability would be a whole lot better. | ||
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To start off please please please don't everyone focus on batman/catwoman. In themed games with third roles I always see the town discussing plans/third party roles so much that it's pretty distracting and I think that's an environment where mafia can really take control. Some discussion is alright, day 1 is fine it gets people talking at least but scumhunting should always be #1 priority. Batman's role benefits town. Yes he has to take down a town aligned vig, but taking down the mafia godfather in exchange for a vig is a damn good trade. 1:1 town/mafia trade always benefits town. Assuming game doesn't end if third party wins, Batman benefits town whereas Catwoman does not. She should not be a primary lynch target unless we pin her Day 1 and there is no real better alternative. I think ignoring Catwoman is the best way to go. She does hurt town but mafia (tyger, I guess) hurts us more and we want to get to our win condition as fast as is possible. No reason for town to be trying to out Batman in this thread as far as I see? Is Batman able to fulfill his win condition if Hugo/Joker are lynched? If yes - it makes sense for Batman to try to help the town out by getting Hugo lynched and he'll just nighthit/DT whoever he thinks the Joker is. If no - Batman isn't much help to us but still a waste of a lynch and I feel like leaving the third party to their own devices and focusing on scumhunting is the best thing to do. I'd be wary of anyone crying for a lynch on Batman/Catwoman because they "hurt town", sounds like mafia trying to waste lynches that would otherwise hit scumbuddies to me. | ||
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On February 06 2012 16:11 wherebugsgo wrote: I really love how Dr. H tells everyone to not talk about Batman/Catwoman and then proceeds to post a half page of text on nothing but third party strategy. That's not hypocritical or anything -_- whose smurf are you and why are you already annoying me with useless trash? Yeah I see it came off that way. If you read my whole post you would have seen that I qualified it Some discussion is alright, day 1 is fine it gets people talking at least but scumhunting should always be #1 priority. To clarify I meant to say that it's not something that town should focus on throughout the whole game but it's a good way to get the ball rolling on day 1 and some players might reveal some less than town motives in the process. It is however NOT the focus of our game. The towns focus is to find and lynch/hit scum players not to direct third parties. I'm not contradicting myself at all. it's been in my experience in theme games that the discussion of role mechanics/third parties is so overwhelming that it's still dominating the town day 2+ and that's bad play On February 06 2012 16:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Kenpachi's claim means absolutely nothing, just like it does every game... Sheth's gotta be scum, look at all that useless filler, and the games only just started. My activities going to be sub par for the next 16~24 hours, sorry in advance. Should be right after that though. I disagree with DocH, who's to know if batman/catwoman are going to shoot accurately. That's not a risk I want to take, when we could reduce overall KP and give ourselves more time to analyse instead. To kick off some real discussion. I'd like to discuss the Joker claiming ASAP. Sure he dies overnight, but then we have batman as essentially a buffed up version of the same role from that night until the gf dies. Catwoman's targets on the other hand, where do we balance a known two townie deaths vs potentially a lot more as the game drags on? This would be a good example of that. Because Batman wins off lynches, it doesn't benefit for him to work actively against us. Point out the guy you think is Hugo, don't hand over the vig to Batman. Trading the Joker for a 100% Joker kill that night/day is a good trade. Why would we out Joker to help a third party that has to help us anyway when we can keep our vig potentially for a couple days at least? That's not a good plan. He doesn't gain powers from killing Joker, it's just part of his win condition. You're assuming that handing over the Joker in any way helps us find Hugo, but it doesn't. Keep your mouth shut about the Joker, if you find Hugo that's when you speak up. Batman helps us in the end if he fulfills both of his win conditions. What if we manage lynch Hugo Day 1? Don't jump the gun taking stupid risks this early. At first I thought bad idea (I don't like sacrificing town powerroles), but after thinking it through I think this might be a good idea. Because if Joker is a standard vig with one shot he won't help us all that much anyways. Vig is one of the best pro-town roles Tunkeg, if not THE best in the hands of a good player. Batman is not completely on our side either way. Consider two scenarios: 1. Joker claims and is killed by Batman Outcome - Batman win condition half fulfilled, Town vig dead Night 1 2. Joker doesn't claim and Batman uses DT powers at night Outcome - Equal chance of him either finding Hugo OR The Joker. We lose nothing. We don't NEED to give him some kind of "offering" to get him to "help" us. If he wants to win he has to help us in one capacity and if he manages to find Hugo first (completely plausible) he is no longer a factor in a town victory. There is no logical advantage to town for offering up the Joker. Vig is a crucial role for the town to have especially late game. | ||
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On February 06 2012 17:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Town has nothing to lose, unless they make a claim that nothing can be made of an issue, as you were attempting to do. As such, pushing Kenpachi for his claim is your scum agenda. Batman has no motivation to simply sit back and watch. The faster town can hunt Hugo, the less Batman risks being end games. Additionally, the Bat can't die at night, so if he's extremely pro-town, he at much less risk of being lynched if it comes down to the end game. Short of knowing her targets, Catwoman will be essentially hoping for a mafia victory, and thus killing the most pro-town people. If we neutralize Catwoman ASAP, and get Batman on our side, we gain a massive advantage. Yes we lose three townies in the immediate future, but it's better than risking losing more when we don't have to. Catwoman is immune to night hits and is not mafia, lynching her is much worse than lynching anybody on the tyger side of things. Town wins by lynching scum. Period. | ||
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On February 06 2012 19:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote: If we don't hand the joker over, Batman has to guess who he is, and has a reason to shoot townies. And why would he not shoot townies looking for Hugo? On "honor"? He can't claim so we can't hold him to it and he doesn't care if we win or not. He's going to either DT or shoot every night based on his preferences regardless of whether or not he hits Joker early or not. It will take him a bit out of the game sooner, but isn't this irrelevant considering no one is supposedly allowed to roleclaim anyway? | ||
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Batman's best long term play is to use DT checks and only hit when he finds Joker/Hugo. He wants to prevent either faction from winning the game until he fulfills his condition, right? If he keeps shooting townies, he's pushing the mafia toward a faster win and making it more likely that the game will end before he finds either target. If I'm Batman I'm DTing at night whoever I think might be Joker first and scumhunting in hopes of lynching Hugo. If Joker dies, then I start DTing looking for Hugo. If I shoot randomly (unblockable hit) I'm helping scum win faster which is bad for me. If it's demonstrated through the first night or 2 that Batman is definitely using his KP anyway then Joker should take a shot on our #1 lynch target Day2/3 then claim if it's legal. That 1:1 trade is pretty good, but I just think we're being too eager with this. Vig is a good role, let's think before we get rid of it on the first day. | ||
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On February 06 2012 19:25 Tunkeg wrote: I disagree. If Batman gets Joker early on he have no reason to just go hit hit hit. Him just hitting blindly after getting one of his target may just whittle down one of the allignement to a point where Batman may risk: A: Getting daylynch (chance increase when number of remaining players decrease) B: One side winning (causing Batman to lose if he have lynched Hugo, but not Joker and town winning, or if he have lynched Joker, but not Hugo and scum winning). So Batmans should hit hit hit until he gets one of the targets (or one side is getting low) and then he MUST DT, that is optimal for Batman IMO. That's why he shouldn't hit hit hit at all but use his DT power and only hit when he has a match. That is the safest way to play the role for the exact reasons you claim. There's no reason to give up the Joker Day 1 when we don't even know what Batmans going to do and I can tell you already if he's a smart player he's going to use the DT | ||
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On February 06 2012 20:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote: If the early DT checks die, it was all for naught. He might as well shoot into the dark. This makes absolutely no sense | ||
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On February 06 2012 20:03 Tunkeg wrote: Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. My way: Early hits is pretty safe for Batman as both factions are far from elimination. Therefor my logic is that he might as well just hit and try his luck instead of DT the ones he suspects and then later hit them. Dr H's way: DT all the way until he finds his targets. Secure that Batman don't help any faction, and is the safer option as he won't whittle away any of the factions. It might take longer for Batman to secure his objectives compared to my way, but it is definatly safer. Your way: DT early and hit late makes Batmans hit more accurate as he have less people to chose from. But this is the most risky strat of it all for Batman IMO. Cause if Batman misshit lategame he might just end the game. Well, now I have rambled on long enough about the Joker claim thing. I think all of you know where I stand and why. Unless someone want me to clarify more on my stance I will just leave this for now, so other topics may be discussed or others might put in their two cents on the Joker claim thing. I'm voting for you because of this quote: Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. No way you're that wishy washy if you're convinced your plan is pro-town, especially when it concerns the life of a blue? You're just distancing yourself from the heat now. I'm voting for you Day 1, I was gonna vote for Kpach because we need to stop letting him get away with this "hehe im just dumb i always claim green day 1 im not mafia just stupid" act he does in every single game, but that just really rustles my jimmies right there. Vaguest empty statement I've seen in this game so far. | ||
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On February 06 2012 22:01 ico wrote: And we have another herp derp poster. You are making your own case. Only scum knows whether someone is on their team by now. So you are either scum or stupid townie. In each case you are a threat to town. I don't know if this is OMGUS or a horrible horrible misunderstanding of what Adam posted. Hopefully it's not a language barrier issue. He didn't seriously claim he knows what team anyone is on, he's using the random vote which is viable this early in the game and making a lighthearted joke about it. That's really not scummy. | ||
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On February 06 2012 22:34 ico wrote: It is way to early in day 1 to go for a random vote. The person Adam votes for has not even posted in the thread yet. I'd not care so much about it if it was close to the posting and voting deadline, which makes a random vote excusable, but still not desired. Please note I have not put my vote on him yet, about ten people haven't even posted and day 1 still lasts for quite a while. But I am seriously irritated by the fact that actions like day1 townclaim or early day 1 random votes are done at all and get defended by other posters. Yeah, it's pretty normal in fact I think at mafiascum town usually even declares a random voting stage and they are much better players than TL players so I don't see what you're getting at | ||
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On February 06 2012 22:47 ico wrote: I am aware of that and there is a distinction between having a random voting stage and just randomly voting in a situation that doesn't force it. But we should probably have any further discussion about that after this game, it is derailing. It's not derailing because it's your reason for voting lol | ||
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On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote: Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs. Best way to get the day 1 discussion rolling besides elections/rvs/clues You think you can't get any reads based off of peoples reactions to what has been discussed? | ||
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On February 06 2012 23:46 Kurumi wrote: I said not much. If there was normal serial killer in play, would You discuss something about him besides his existence ? It's good for day 1. There has been a "town" plan to have the joker sacrifice himself day 1 when it's obvious Batman would just use his DT power unless he's an idiot. That's good enough for me. I'm done talking about that joke of a plan. If it is a scum proposal, they're gonna ditch it and move on to something else probably an easy lynch like rg or kenpachi | ||
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On February 07 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: I see that Kitaman might be scum! I've made one action this game, and it was an attempt to get clarity from the mod. Somehow this makes me scum? The reason I asked was this: It's a little ambiguous as to how the deadshot KP works and I wanted mod confirmation that it wasn't what I read it as...which is that Strange gives him a character name and Deadshot kills that guy if he's in the game. The reason I thought it worked this way is because of the fact that not all the names mentioned are guaranteed to be in the game, so it would be a decent way to force scum to think about how they use that KP, because it could be ineffective. Anyway, the fact that anyone is voting for me for this is a little disturbing considering there's already like 3 pages of setup speculation and a mass-claim has been proposed. Kitaman, care to explain your vote in a little detail? Or are you scum just hoping to start a bandwagon? Showed up real real quick to defend yourself, just like you showed up quick to defend Liquid'Sheth, changing my vote for sure | ||
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This is a player who made it understood, before the game, that he would be active. 1. His first post is defending Sheth by attacking a player who is suspicious of him, with no substance. He asks a question to the mod, this is a great thing to do as scum by the way it gives you something to fall back on that scum "totally wouldn't do". Sheth's only posts are early starting the easy FOS on kenpachi that happens in literally every single game kenpachi plays in. He is the easiest person to get lynched Day 1 usually, mafia want EASY bandwagons that look kinda scummy, they only risk huge lynches when they are threatened. 2. Is totally inactive, shows up again when he is called out and then OMGUS votes. You're voting to lynch someone on Day 1 because you don't like their "reasons" for voting? But the reasons for voting on KPach who green claims every single game meaninglessly are solid right? 3. Other players defending him chainsaw. Liquid'Sheth also comes back with more fluffy comments about the already finished Batman discussion. I really wish we would stop beating this horse and CC's claims are even more ridiculous. I'll address those soon in this post but let me reiterate it makes no strategical advantage for Batman OR Catwoman to shoot before using DT. On February 07 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote: First of all ##Unvote: kitaman27 Now for the good stuff. VisceraEyes Lynch List of Accuracy layabout - For criticizing others play as being non-contributory, yet contributes nothing of substance himself. Any idea who he thinks is scum? Me either. Katina - Again, criticizing others for not contributing, but not contributing. Masquerading doesn't count guys - you actually have to do something. kitaman27 - Kita appears to be doing something akin to scumhunting, and because he's a veteran, I'm willing to wait on his lynch - however, I think he's scum because he appealed to Forumite's suspicion of me to try and get a bandwagon started, but never even really voted for me…just stinks and I don't like it. But again, Kita is my weakest read at this point and I wouldn't be butthurt if we didn't lynch him today. Also, Palmar is mistaken - lynching me is totally NOT always a net-gain for town. He's saying this because he's a prick. So, there you have it. ##Vote: layabout All 3 players contributed more than he did. All VE has done is defend himself. All you're really doing is pointing out 2 players who haven't contributed much yet but making it look like you're doing some serious scumhunting. I don't know if you are usually this dramatic about absolutely nothing as town though. Someone can inform me of that. On February 07 2012 07:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote: alright, new plan, if hugo winds up dead, the joker comes forward. And we kill docH because he's catwoman Ridiculous. Even if I was Catwoman, I'd have no incentive to use my hits until late in the game. DO NOT WASTE LYNCHES ON THIRD PARTY. IT IS A WASTED LYNCH. Town does NOT win by lynching SKs. Town must LYNCH scum. Catwoman is a threat to town, mafia is a bigger threat, and the only threat that involves our win condition. Not only is his interpretation of my posts which are focused on making sure the town doesn't give up the joker terrible, but he misunderstands my whole point. My whole point is that Batman/Catwoman shouldn't shoot. We can't cut a bargain with them because they have no incentive to "help" us and can't even claim. HE was the one who made the plan centered around killing a townie to help Batman, I said we don't need to do it and realized pretty quickly that BM/CW won't even shoot early game. That makes me catwoman? That's the most desperate call I've ever heard. JayJay says "a scum win is a catwoman win", which is not true. CW wins if Two-Face and Penguin are dead. She does not want scum to win the game before that happens. If that happens, she does not care who wins. It's as simple as that. Yes it is a role that hurts town. It is also a lower priority than lynching mafia. Insinuating that I might be third party or scum for saying we should just use our lynches to kill scum really is a mindfuck and I'm gonna be really disappointed if both of you guys flip green or blue at the end of this game, take some time off to learn how to play town please. There are a lot of FOSs flying around which is good for later analysis. I don't like Kurumi or Palmar right now but it'll take a bit of time to see how that develops. For the time being my strongest reads are on : Liquid'Sheth - Long posts with no substance/easy FOS VE - Posts only to defend himself/others for most of the game CC - FOS me for talking about neutrals when he invented the bad plan focusing on them, advocates lynching third party instead of scum Kurumi - I don't like these "scum list" things, especially on Day 1. It makes it look like you did some work but there's basically no thought in it. No one cares what your little hunches are. It is alright to have some FOSs flying around if you flip it gives us something to go off of, but put some more thought into it, that's all. | ||
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It's bad for town to focus on role mechanics throughout the whole game, particularly Day 2+. I do think it's a decent way to get discussion going on Day 1, and was I wrong? In this process multiple people have accused each other and some really anti-town ideas have been thrown out around it. Even though I and others have made it quite clear that the third parties shouldn't even shoot, there are still people who like the idea of offering the Joker or take it for granted that BM/CW are just gonna go on a townie killing spree. If anyone remains totally unconvinced or doesn't understand why the DT is the better move for both roles, I will explain that better if you really need me to but you should be able to come to this conclusion yourself as long as you don't have ulterior motives. I'll take heat for talking a lot about the third parties, but as town I think it's pretty important we don't sacrifice our own vig for no gain. I also think it's pretty important we lynch scum instead of third party. Every day that goes by without a lynch of a scum is a wasted lynch. The more lynches we waste, the faster we get to LYLO. It might seem odd to newer players to hear someone say we should essentially ignore a role that is a threat to town, but our goal is to win the game by lynching scum and that is what we should do. Find scum not third parties. It's fine to talk about it when people like CC are trying to kill our vigilantes, it's not fine when people are saying we should not lynch scum. | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote: And of course you waited until I called you out before doing anything. I woke up ten minutes ago | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm interested Doc - care to point out where Katina or layabout have contributed more than I have? Shouldn't be hard considering how little I've contributed. I appreciate that you think I only show up to defend myself, but that's simply not the case. Like you, I woke up to accusations. I think it's pretty ironic that you phrase it that way when you yourself had to use the same defense. I never even mentioned Katina so I don't know why you're bringing that up. Lots of players have "contributed" less than you. That doesn't mean they are more likely to be mafia than you. It's a moot point. | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:30 Kurumi wrote: DrH, You've missed the point of the list. It wasn't to show scum or town, it's too early to do that. It was list of generic info about players (really generic..) people who were suspicious and people who should be important in the game. I saw players highlighted in red. I get the point but lists of really generic info aren't helpful. Maybe just saying "here's a list of people who might get hit if they're town" or something like that, could be helpful for noob medics, but this is the kind of thing better served staying in your own notepad to keep track of your thoughts until you find something useful. | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: You literally said "All 3 players have contributed more than you" in your case against me in reference to the 3 players on my lynch list Doc. And the fact that they're not contributing is NOT the point. MY point is that they're criticizing others for not contributing WHILE NOT CONTRIBUTING THEMSELVES. That DOES make them more likely to be mafia than me because I'm actually contributing and hunting scum. Doctor. Lord of the Typefaces. You've got the wrong guy. I'm trying to lynch the scums. Katina didn't really criticize others for not contributing in the kind of way that scum will, guy has 2 posts and makes a solid point on Sheth, I picked up on the same thing he did but I chose to keep it to myself and see if Sheth posted more. That stayed in my head and all I've seen from you is defensiveness. Since I think you're scum I'm inclined to see your FOS's or analysis as scum misinformation and not contribution which I hope is understandable. That statement was a bit too bold in hindsight, so my bad on that. | ||
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Your first argument is WIFOM, as is mine to be honest. But mafia are the only party that needs to be so defensive and when players start defending eachother like that, it makes me more confident that my initial hunches might be correct. It's just Day 1 and I'm not coming out saying "Gotcha!" with any sense of serious confidence. I don't disagree that it is a stupid thing that Kenpachi does. Your point about Batman is incorrect. Perhaps you don't fully understand the game mechanics. Hopefully this is the last time I have to explain this. Firstly, Batman has an unblockable detective power. It is immune to GF powers. Secondly, he has an unblockable hit, however it will not kill players with the veteran role. It tells him with 100% confidence except in the case, I assume, of millers (who won't show up as hugo/joker anyway) who the person is. It's not "a little bit of detecting then shooting suspects", when he finds the joker or hugo he KNOWS who they are and will hit them the next night. If Batman shoots before detecting, he has a low chance of killing either The Joker or Hugo Strange. If he kills a non-Hugo mafia, he gives town a huge advantage. If he kills a town player, he gives the mafia a moderate advantage. Continuing to shoot like this is bad for Batman, because if either Town OR Mafia win before he does, Batman loses the game. He does not win if town wins. He also does not win if Mafia wins. The only time Batman might use his KP before DT is if one side has an overwhelming advantage and he thinks he can delay the end of the game. Offering up the Joker does not prevent him from shooting more townsfolk, because he has no incentive to do this. Also if he shoots randomly or on his own hunches, he still has as much chance as a town aligned vig does of killing a scum player. It has nothing to do with knowing where people are. Batman (same rules go for Catwoman) has no reason to care who anyone is except for the Joker and Hugo Strange. By offering Batman the joker, we're giving him an early town kill and we might be able to win the game before he gets any town kills or at least have Joker survive long enough to use his hit and be successful with it. It is not in Batman's interest to shoot randomly or to shoot into people he thinks are red/blue because it increases the likelihood that the game ends before he wins. The best scenario for Batman is one in which the mafia hit the Joker early and he only has to find Hugo, or where we lynch Hugo early and he only has to find the Joker. Hopefully, for us, he looks for Hugo first but even if he starts out looking for the Joker, he's just going to be DTing and there's nothing we can really do about it. Giving him the Joker isn't a solution to any problem. Moving on to Cyber_Cheese: Cyber_Cheese's points about Catwoman are wrong. Or maybe it was Tunkeg? Someone said "catwoman should just shoot the most pro-town people", that's not true either. Catwoman should DT until she finds her target then kill them. She doesn't win with scum. If scum win before two-face/penguin are dead then Catwoman loses. Shooting the most pro-town looking people will probably just result in red and green deaths. If you even broadcast that advice or assumption why would two-face and the penguin put themselves in the spotlight? Now Catwoman is in a WIFOM situation where she has to guess what her target is thinking and shooting randomly is unsafe, puts her at a higher risk of losing the game. With the combined full force KP of batman/catwoman/mafia all shooting into "town" (except batman/catwoman don't know who town is, although you guys seem pretty confident they will know implicitly) the game will likely end with scum winning and town with both third parties losing. I'm not going to crunch numbers because I can't do math but I'm guessing of at least one of each candidate surviving to endgame in this scenario are pretty high. I hope that clears things up. I think Cyber_Cheese is either mafia or, more obviously, Batman. I don't know why I didn't put it together before but the player trying to get the Joker offered up scot free with no clear pro-town motives seems like a pretty good bet for me. If he's not third party or scum I'd be pretty shocked. Can anyone link me to some games in which Cyber_Cheese was a town aligned player in memory? After looking at that I might switch votes. I dislike voting for players who attack me because I am very defensive and often in mafia games I get tunnel vision when I'm attacked. But just as often as I've been wrong, I've been right and ever since letting Pandain slip through my grasp in Insane Mafia I've tried to be more confident. @Radfield Asking other people questions and agreeing with WBG doesn't count for much. You were like this in Salem and don't think I'll forget THAT travesty anytime soon. WBG's analysis is okay. Toadesstern should flesh his thoughts out more but I don't think it's particularly scummy. I still believe town players are more likely to second guess themselves or post logical errors than mafia players are. Mafia players have the advantage of information and teamwork, town is uncoordinated and in the dark. I don't think he necessarily contradicted himself talking about me, it seems like he's saying it's the kind of thing that could go either way so it's just inconclusive. | ||
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On February 07 2012 19:09 Palmar wrote: you guys are forgetting the possibility of batman/catwoman killing shit because they feel like it. there's no accounting for stupidity, especially in this game i guess | ||
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On February 07 2012 18:49 Tyrran wrote: As much as I agree with you on Batman, I disagree on you Catwoman stance. In my eyes, Catwoman wants to help scum. Her target are one vig and one vig/DT, both valuable target for scum. A scum victory will most likely pass through the death of both of these player. I'm not sure she is going to shoot N1 ( even tho shes has 3/4 chance of hitting town), but she will start shooting much earlier than Batman. We could get lucky and have her hit scum, but i wouldnt rely on it. As far as I stand, i'm considering Catwoman as a scum that town should get rid of if given the possibility. @Kenpachi : Are you planning on being usefull, or do you want town to lynch you before you got the chance to do it? Are you planning to do anything else than OMGUS'ing people that vote for you ? The only reason i'm not voting for you is that you've had similar bad play in Steamship. How are you expecting town not to lynch you with this kind of play ? @rgTheSchworz : So now that you created some pressure in order to get lynch target, what did you find out ? Who do you think we should lynch ? Catwoman helps scum indirectly. She has no interest in either faction winning until her win conditions are fulfilled, in which case she leaves the game. Seeing her as a threat to town is viable, but she is not scum. We do not get closer to winning by lynching her, we only give the mafia more time to win the game. Kenpachi is this bad in every game jsyk. I'm starting to think he's bad on purpose so that he can always fall back on the excuse of "oh im just bad and do random stuff" whenever he actually rolls mafia. On February 07 2012 19:27 Toadesstern wrote: not sure yet. Probably someone out of CC / layabout. If neither of those 2 is going to be an option I'd be happy to lynch BM / Kenpachi / Palmar instead. There have been a few cases laid out, put a little more thought into it. Town doesn't win without some serious thought. It's a team effort. You can make statements like this all game as mafia, it's too safe. Let's talk BM. Make a case for his lynch. If you're "happy" to lynch him you must feel pretty good that he's scum right? Seems like you're not really invested in who gets lynched. Uninterested. That's not good. | ||
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On February 07 2012 19:44 Toadesstern wrote: Yeah I've got the bad habbit of stopping to work when I'm told that I'm useless. Hapnned last game too. I did big ass analyses about Sandroba and everyone ignored them telling me I'm doing bullshit. I figured I could give you at least a couple of names instead of explaining this time so that should make people happy and you're able to tell if I'm mafia or not depending on the flips. I for example don't like rad because of his list (VE, Kita, myself). I don't have to talk about myself, Kita looks town to me and VE is leaning town for me but I'm not sure there yet. Easy shit. On the BM matter: BM / Kenpachi / Palmar are the 3 people I'd like to see lynch if we can't one of CC / layabout lynched. I think layabout and especially CC are more likely to flip mafia (or badman / catwoman). If people don't think you're useful, prove them wrong. Flips are helpful but that won't tell me if you're mafia or not. Especially when you throw in votes/FOS with no explanation or thought, I learn nothing. Mafia players will FOS and vote for other mafia players. It's pretty rare I think that a mafia team don't have some staged confrontations in the thread. Saying "I'd like to lynch one of these three" is not an acceptable reason. Why Bill Murray or Palmar over anybody else? Why Cyber_Cheese or layabout over anybody else for that matter? | ||
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On February 07 2012 21:52 Palmar wrote: lol, DocH is not on the list because all he's posted is completely irrelevant. Are you trying to bait me into getting offended? You should go back to shitposting instead, you're actually good at that. | ||
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On February 07 2012 22:41 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but I'd much rather not lynch Radfield d1. And no if I apply the same logic to other people and barly come to the same conclusion. I'm not done reading everyone's filter so I can't say that for people after #17 inr our list because I haven't reread their filters yet and everything I got on them is a gut feeling. Why not? If they're scum hang them, I don't care who it is. I just don't understand why you're tunneling layabout when you refused to even explain your suspicions earlier. Do you want to make a case or not? You're not committing to anything. | ||
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Unless you're committed to never explaining anything. Have to wait for your scumbuddies to tell you what to say or do you just not like playing this game at all? | ||
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On February 07 2012 22:56 Toadesstern wrote: Well here we go. I take everything back I said about radfield. Pretty much the same as Palmar for me now :p take back everything? such bold statements as: "i'd rather not lynch radfield d1" and "I'm so much more foresighted than radfield." - pre-game Now you're backpedaling on statements you never made that's a first for me | ||
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you also mentioned you didn't like his picks on his list but never actually called him out beyond that. still, it's nothing. | ||
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Furthermore BC's disclaimer was not talking about traitors it was talking about characters who have more than one category as in Harley Quinn falling under both Medic and Vigilante if I'm not mistaken | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote: that's because I'm not sure if he did that on purpose and I do not know what to make of it. He might be pulling a wbg on me and everyone else. I don't like lynching vets d1. Said the same in L. Remember I was the guy telling everyone to not lynch Palmar? I ended up being a townie (a vet) as well. So it really is my opionion. And with rads most recent post I'd even say he's leaning town for me right now. He just posted so little that it's hard to judge. I'm reading that game. It's a shame no one listened to you when you were right, but this isn't a 60 person game, you're gonna get heard. Don't use excuses to stay quiet any longer. And what's the point of even saying anything? You never really accused Radfield of anything so why suck up and praise his towniness unless you're just trying to get town cred yourself | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Of course it's not good. Explain how it gives any info at all about his alignment when the guy does it in every single game regardless? He even does it in games that don't have vanilla townies. Furthermore BC's disclaimer was not talking about traitors it was talking about characters who have more than one category as in Harley Quinn falling under both Medic and Vigilante if I'm not mistaken EBWOP, bolded part is edited (in reference to kenpachi claiming green) | ||
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Dunno how much has changed in the last 10 pages but my last feeling was that cybercheese is batman and the CC lynch as suggested by toades and crew was the scum wagon as was kenpachi. It makes sense considering his horrible plan and obsession it, then when I just tried to point out to him and others why it was an anti-town plan he (and others) turn around on me to call me scum/catwoman for talking about it. Nothing he's done that I've seen suggests pro-town motives. It also makes sense that scum would want to lynch batman. Wasted lynch and it protects the GF. However other players have parroted CC in a way I find uncomfortable and scummy, like tunkeg, and it gives off that scum agenda feeling where they try to push the same ideas without directly interacting with each other. It happens a lot. This may be my last post before the night cycle starts so here are my suggestions in case I die tonight. Poison ivy/hush: both of you protect jackal58. Harley quinn/other medic (forgot name): use your own judgment. DTs: use your own judgment, anyone who came under a fair amount of suspicion is a fair bet. I don't remember which named rroles are detectives but you can split it up and have half those name roles check people who were in the hot seat today and half check on lurkers, this somewhat prevents the chance of every dt checking the same guy. | ||
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Why am I the only player taking heat for talking about third parties? Because I'm pointing out the anti-town motives of the other players who are addressing it. When people don't understand what I'm saying and ask me questions about it, don't blame me for answering, thanks. I don't buy that WBG's case on rG was so terrible either. I still think CC is the better vote. He tunneled Kenpachi way too hard and wasn't really able to make a strong case for it. We all know his little green claims are stupid. He claimed it's just a random useless vote when he got pressured for his shitty case even though it was obvious he was trying to get votes on Kenpachi. And he FoS's and unvotes in the same post. If someone can explain to me what was so shitty about that case please do, I'll go ahead and listen, if I'm wrong I'll admit it. I've already learned a bit and changed my mind coming into this game and reading a little bit of L. I put my vote there and was as of yet unsure if I wanted to push Cyber_Cheese who was, at the time, my #1 scum read. I think I explained my reluctance in the mason group, maybe I didn't, but I dislike voting for players who attack me right away because I'm a very emotional player and there have been a lot of games as town where I've wrongly convinced myself a player was scum because they criticized me too much. That is what it is. I'm pretty sure CC is batman/mafia anyhow, unless he really is as bad as WBG claims. | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote: On the off-chance I die, look into all the people that called my plan anti-town. No one is taking that seriously except you, I trashed your shitty plan already so drop it. | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Catwoman had her way, and that's regretful. That doesn't mean it was a bad plan. Giving up the vig Day 1 to a third party that has no incentive to shoot anybody? Yeah it's a terrible plan. The fact that you're using that as some kind of proof that I'm catwoman is ridiculous. Keep making yourself look like scum or batman though. | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote: The mafia game doesn't last that long. Why gamble on having two nights when you can hit a person every night? I'm not gonna repeat myself more. | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:38 chaoser wrote: He's saying that because he only claimed vigi that mafia, batman, AND catwoman would all have to shoot him to see if he's one of their targets or not. Mafia obvs want to kill blue roles (vigi), batman wants to kill the joker (a vigi) and catwoman wants to kill Penguin and Two-Face (both vigis). Though I guess it could turn into a WIFOM thing where one of multiple of them decide not to shoot cause they think the other group will shoot. I dunno, i can see the logic behind a "no name claim" stance but I don't know if it really matters or not in pulling more than 1 bullet. Oh, I understand that now. Alright. Kurumi, stay quiet about it for now. If you some how miraculously survive the night then you need to claim it. You and I may or may not have an understanding already, if that's the case just say so and things will work out very well for town probably. | ||
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You lose nothing by role claiming unless you are Batman. This is the only player who can't claim right? | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:57 chaoser wrote: I mean...batman can pick whatever he wants other people to see him as. I don't see why batman can't fake claim. In fact batman SHOULD fakeclaim if he's about to be lynched as a blue like vigi or DT since mafia won't be able to shoot him and town isn't going to want to lynch him either. I don't think CC is batman or else he would have fakeclaimed by now. Hm, I was under the impression that Batman could make no claims at all but I guess you're right. I always get filled with doubt in the last few minutes. If he is Batman it's not a gigantic loss but I'd really rather not lynch third parties over scum. If I caught on to him as a candidate for Batman early on you can bet scum did too so that's something. | ||
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Ivy/Hush protect Jackal58 tonight, he's a confirmed townie, everyone else follow your own reasoning. | ||
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Because I thought CC was scum. | ||
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On February 08 2012 18:22 Tunkeg wrote: And don't worry you are only number 3 on my list, I won't focus on you until at least chaoser is dead and gone away. I'm not worried. I just don't think it was the right move. Lots of townies make bad plans in Mafia games. Sandroba has done it a lot as town. LSB has done it in almost every game as town. Joker claim Day 1 is not the right move for town, it might be a legitimate move later in the game. How this proves I am catwoman to CC or anti-town is beyond me. It would be nice if someone had a logical argument beyond "CC was town therefore his plan is right and anyone who voted for him is scum." Consider also I missed about 8-9 pages of discussion when my internet was turned off and I haven't even read any of Chaosers posts in this thread that I'm aware of. Was he tunneling CC? When I dropped my vote on CC he didn't have a bandwagon started on him really and I didn't make a serious case because I was waiting for him to wake up so he could respond to my pressure, which might have been satisfactory. Anyone who was in the mason group with me can confirm this exact reasoning. When I woke up, I had no internet and couldn't post anything. Bill was paid late and I had to call AT&T. I'm gonna have to read back through those pages and filter out the players that stand out. The question I'm trying to answer looking back is whether mafia split the vote and moved on to CC to protect Sheth or not. | ||
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On February 08 2012 19:14 Tunkeg wrote: LIE!!!! You wrote many times you thought CC was Batman... But I think you are scum and you knew CC was on the townside... I wrote here that I thought he is probably Batman because he didn't roleclaim as a gut reaction 7 minutes before the lynch. I thought that either he was Batman and Scum was trying to get him lynch with toadesstern leading the way or that he was indeed scum and my initial feelings were right. It was a WIFOM situation and I thought it best to vote for him when I did, which was much before the bandwagon on him started. I was not able to even be part of the majority of the discussion that led to this lynch because I had no access to the internet. When I voted for him I thought he was scum or batman, but it was my most confident vote for day 1 besides maybe toadesstern or sheth who I may have changed my vote to if I had a chance to read what was even going on | ||
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I do believe you though, your power seems plausible from what I know. It seems like everybody has a second aspect to their role that is hidden. | ||
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- zsasz in the game, explains the "phone network" flavor I'm guessing the people who got upset about it were town since it's likely mafia already knew about the QT and nobody blew up on me when I mentioned it several times. Need to catch up here, only one two-face can be real. It's probably rG I think. | ||
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On February 09 2012 08:27 evantrees wrote: Started with some simpler stuff to respond to, posted then went to read the QT. "evantrees has been even more quiet than usual." I feel like I have had less to complain about, trying to do less of that anyways, after some comments from L think it was postgame. Catwoman if you would be so kind as to let our DT live a little while, this mess will probably continue giving you a chance to hide, go look for the penguin at this rate two face will probably be dead when you get back. Can we strongly consider lynching the next person to claim without a damned reason? Palmer who was in the lead for dumbest post when cheese was lynched? The deadline is 1 Kst. Slardar what part of "unless a role states otherwise." don't you get. "DT is also a self-confirmable role and difficult to pull off as mafia" DT not as hard to fake when they have one of their own is it? DT is the riskiest role to fake because while you can check your own guys, you end up having to hand over your scumbuddies. Faking DT actually benefits the town on some level and no good town player is stupid enough to be fooled by that, although they'll gladly take the free scum lynches. | ||
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On February 09 2012 09:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, this has certainly been a Sheth's complete absence absolutely solidifies my read on him, and unless some darling vig has done the job for me, I'm making it my duty to see him hang tomorrow if I survive the night. Take a look at his previous games guys, he's WAAAAAAY more active than this as town, and all the crazy shit that's gone on today would NOT have gone without comment from townSheth. He gotta HANG bro, and whoever doesn't think so is fucking SCUM and will be treated as such. Night ends in a few hours, and because I'll probably die to some idiot town vig (thanks Palmar/Rad -.-) make sure he gets his daily dose of fiber if you please. Others who need to taste of the delicious rope: Katina - Still have no idea who Katina thinks is scum. She's popped in to toss in a comment or two during the shennanies, but interestingly no comment on who should hang or why. DocH - Actively opposed my Sheth lynch. Why? Because he was scumhunting THIRD PARTY. We should be aiming for scum guys, every lynch we have needs to be aiming for SCUM. We have to kill SCUM to win. If DocH (or anyone for that matter) honestly thought C_C was 3rd party, your asses should have been on the Sheth lynch. hiro protagonist - this guy....yup. I think this guy is scum. I'm ready to "pull the trigger" (quotes indicating that this is NOT a soft-claim of any kind) on a hiro lynch. He's my weakest read of the 4 I'm ready to lynch, though...mainly based on the LOOOOOW content. To clear things up, I thought C_C was scum up until 5 minutes before the deadline and because my internet was out I didn't even have the opportunity to read anything regarding the Sheth lynch who was already on my list of suspicious parties, just a bit under Cyber_Cheese at the time. The fact that I was only able to apply reasoning that was 10 or 15 pages in the past definitely set me back. I lost time and that definitely affected how I voted. If I thought a player was CW and I didn't already have my vote on them (which was placed because I thought they were scum) and there was actually time before the deadline, I would switch and encourage others to do so as well. This is not the case. I was the person who said even IF WE FIND Catwoman 100% we should not lynch her, something that others called me scum for saying because that's an "anti-town" motive somehow. Anyway, I hope that clears it up. I don't know which page I explain the time loss on but I believe it was in response to Jay or Tunkeg, you can find it a page or two after the night post. Also why call out hiro for his low content instead of other players who are not contributing? Why is hiro so scummy that you'd like to "pull the trigger" but not OpZ, Kenpachi, or the other guy whose name starts with a T (don't even remember, he defended me at one point though). | ||
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On February 09 2012 09:16 layabout wrote: As mafia, i would almost certainly pretend to have not known about the QT, since mafia 99% about the QT, openly complaining about it being hidden from you seems like a cheap way to buy town cred. Nobody in town should be openly speculating about who they think the town blues are when the non-town players are deciding who to shoot. Seems like you'd say "There's a mason qt? Why has no one mentioned this guys explain" instead of "wow you're scum or fuck BC this game this shit isn't in the rules blahblahblah" Mafia pay more attention to the rules and details than anybody. Anything is WIFOM if you read into it enough. | ||
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On February 09 2012 15:51 rgTheSchworz wrote: I investigated Dr. H last Night. Got guilty as expected. I honestly dont know why they didn t kill me or RB me or why I am still alive now. Will be posting more after 6 h or so. Really? Why don't you tell me which role instead of which alignment. | ||
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So if there are hidden mechanics in this game I can only assume that there is a chance two-faces check returns the wrong alignment. BC did confirm to me just now in PM that there is zero chance any DT check will return the wrong role so unless two-face is an alignment cop I can only assume he is lying or that BC is lying to me. I don't appreciate bastard mods so I really hope the latter isn't true. | ||
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BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. | ||
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On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG? BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC please correct me. So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. EBWODP | ||
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On February 09 2012 16:52 Adam4167 wrote: ... if he were catwoman, his check would be accurate and that would make you red. If he were Catwoman he might just be lying. He can't claim Catwoman anyway, I was just thinking in a general scenario that usually only scum and SK's make big role/night action lies like this unless they're doing some super convoluted trap play. CW doesn't really make sense though unless he is CW and didn't actually use a DT on me at all, but why me? He's either insane or lying. I don't understand what his motive for lying as town would be. As scum it's not necessarily a terrible play but I really do believe his claim. It could be a way to get town to waste a lynch then later claim insanity. They might know that the real Two-Face may not even counterclaim because of Catwoman's unblockable hit. Has a mafia fake counterclaim ever happened? If he claims he isn't insane and nobody comes out again saying "No I'M Two-Face" then I'll probably get lynched. I'll flip town and rG will get hit or stacked up that night but forcing the town to waste a Day 2 lynch is just gonna bring the town closer to LYLO and give the rest of the scum a chance to come out and say "Yeah I thought his claim was probably bullshit lol" to get town cred. I like bussing as mafia personally so I totally understand a play like that in theory but the nature of how all the claims came out really makes me doubt that rG is mafia at all. The ending of this game is gonna be interesting when everyones role PMs are revealed. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:02 Toadesstern wrote: I still don't know what to make out of Schworz, especially the fact that he's still alive. Sadly I can't tell you if I got hit tonight because mechanism of being immortal doesn't tell me if I get hit. Maybe I got hit by mafia, maybe I got hit by a vig, maybe I got hit by thirdparty. I would have survived all those yesterday and given the flips I'm going to survive them again tonight. So it's another night of immortality but I don't know if I used that power. I thought you fake claimed. So you're not two-face but you are immortal? Did you "hire" somebody? You might know what I'm talking about. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:19 Toadesstern wrote: Could be that Schworz is bullshitting and picked something up what I breadcrumbded day1 as mafia as well but I don't think so. Excuse me? | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:47 Tunkeg wrote: There is a third choice and that is that DrH is an Insane inmate. Nope, I'm blue. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:51 Tunkeg wrote: DrH, what role did you claim? And where? None and it will remain that way unless it is absolutely necessary to avoid being lynched. I know what role Toadesstern has. He isn't lying about being immortal. | ||
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I was going to make my case on both you and Radfield today, but I'd like to wait for rG to explain himself a little. If he doesn't claim insanity then either he is scum or BC is a bastard mod. I'm willing to take my chances on the former. It's a crazy situation but that doesn't matter, an outright lie like that is about the scummiest thing you can do. Considering the mafias hit on me failed they might just want me lynched. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote: I am not giving anyone any excuses. Best case scenario one is lying and one of them is either scum or third party and will be offed. Worst case scenario both are telling the truth causing us to do two misslynch. Please explain to me how that would work? It's impossible that both me and rG are telling the truth unless he is insane. I ask BC "Is there any possibility that our role PMs are not completely true? Can somebody get a result other than "ROLE" by DT checking me?" and he says No. I ask BC "Are there roles roles that have a mechanic that is not known to the player possessing that role?" and he says that is not the case. Meaning if rGTheSchworz has any chances of getting an unreliable check, he would know about it. So all that's left to figure out is if rG is insane or BC is withholding some other information from me. If he is sane then one of us is a liar. | ||
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Insane Inmate is just a miller bro. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote: What shit? Did you not claim to be Two-Face and lie about being masoned with Toadesstern? | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote: Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. See the above. Toades also pointed out the specific post in which I was able to confirm my named role to him. I know who Toadesstern is and vice-versa. I will reveal my named role only if it is necessary to save myself but I will not elaborate on who toadesstern is or what my hidden power is. @Palmer On February 09 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote: we're masoned (ie: we know each other's alignment, confirmed by host). On February 09 2012 09:21 Palmar wrote: I'm bored, but I need to sleep. I changed my two face kill back to risk.nuke, he needs to die hardcore. On February 09 2012 06:11 Palmar wrote: Remember, we get to invite two people to our mason circle tomorrow. etc | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:44 ico wrote: #Vote Palmar Either him or Jackal were lying about the Phoneqt. It was confirmed to exist by BC, and Jackal turned up as exactly what he claimed yesterday. That leaves Palmar, who by his actions further confused and irritated everyone* instead of helping to clear them up. *me. And slardar basically got killed because of this phone crap. You're misunderstanding. Palmar first lied saying he wasn't part of the phone network when really he had been posting in it for a long time and was invited by Radfield on the first day. Then he lied about being Two-Face and being in a mason group with Toadesstern then retracted his claim when rG claimed. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:51 Palmar wrote: And does the fact that you know his role explicitly make him town? IE: do you know his role-name or something? Because I don't want to get stuck in another xlviii situation "he claimed his role correctly, so he cannot be scum". It goes both ways. I know who Toadesstern is and vice-versa. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:52 Palmar wrote: I was invited by Jackal I think? I just got a link in a PM. You had been posting it in for a pretty long time. Why did you do this: On February 09 2012 02:19 Palmar wrote: I claim two-face too, you see, the role is shared between two people who are basically masons. That's why I told Toad he was dumb. I threw some suspicion on him day 1 without ever intending to lynch him (we're confirmed town to each other, obviously). Also I told him not to claim, but he refused to listen to that. He's the "good" part (DT) and I'm the "bad" part (vigilante) So yeah, I can confirm Toad's claim. | ||
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The language I used was specific enough I think that I couldn't have picked it up off of Toades' own breadcrumbs. I thought you made up the immortality power actually as well as the Two-Face claim, it was the fact that you were still claiming to be immortal that made me realize who you were. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:59 Palmar wrote: I didn't mean "I just recenetly got a link in PM." I meant "I simply got a link in a PM." And yes, I've been posting in it since yesterday. In addition, I have no idea what you're talking about. I have never claimed two face. Is there something preventing you from acknowledging your own posts? Like a rule mechanic? You do have a propensity for trolling. But considering the scenario unless you are being blocked from addressing it somehow I don't see why a town player would refuse to explain his own blatant lies. | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:04 Tunkeg wrote: So this is not some unclever scumplan having you and Toad shitting all over this thread trying to confusing us with stuff the we have no chance in verifying and little reason to belive in? Like I said, I'll name claim if it continues to be an issue with everybody thus opening myself up to the possibility of a counterclaim. I'm going to drop this issue for now (mafia made it a huge fucking distraction when I basically confirmed my role in Insane Mafia I) and make a case on Radfield and catch up on the huge chunk of the game I missed earlier. | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:20 ico wrote: Emphasis on the last two sentences. Why aren't DoctorHelveticus and Toadesstern modkilled? They are making shit up. Which leaves us with both being liars. Who else does this apply to? rgTheSchworz? need to reread his claims I asked BC. He said I can indirectly refer to my hidden power. I can breadcrumb it but I can't outright say what it is and what it does unless it is used. I won't quote BC exactly in case that's against the rules, if he allows me to I will. This is what I said. "If a player claims ROLE, for example, am I allowed to indirectly poke to see if they know about ROLE? This would be the easiest way for me to discern a fake claim from a real one." He said that's fine. So I can: Claim what my name is Breadcrumb my role PM I can not: Say exactly or directly what my "Secondary" power is. With BC's permission I'll use his exact wording on the matter, or he can just come in and clear this up himself. | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:27 Palmar wrote: If you guys are telling the truth, shouldn't you be modkilled by now? Also, rg's claim doesn't hold up either, because he only claimed alignment, not role. I asked BC if I could do it and he said it was fine. I was hesitant to do anything like that because of that rule. I don't think it would be fair for BC to modkill me if he gave me permission. From what BC told me in PMs I could breadcrumb at my role PM as long as I don't reveal my actual powers. I can also make up powers. If there is a misunderstanding of the rules then BC either misunderstood me in our private conversation or vice-versa, in which case I think it would only be fair that I was warned and from here on out disallowed from ever using words from my role PM again. But again I asked BC: "If a player claims ROLE, for example, am I allowed to indirectly poke to see if they know about ROLE? This would be the easiest way for me to discern a fake claim from a real one." and he said that's fine. My understanding was that this rule exists mostly to ensure mafia can safely make fake claims or ensure that players don't get into role PM arguments in games where Role PMs are not all identical or are not traditional (such as in a few of my hosted games). So for example, in a really normal game setup lets say the role PM for a veteran says "You have an extra night life". A scum player fakeclaims vet and a real vet asks him "do you have an extra night life or an additional night life?" Or for all vets/dts/medics to all say an extremely specific word in their PM to confirm themselves all to one another making an unstoppable town network. | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:37 Toadesstern wrote: mmh I shot BC a pm asking about the details. As I understand it neither of us did something wrong because neither of us told you what either ones 2nd power is. I'm going to know what I am allowed to claim and what not sometime soon I guess. What happened yesterday should not be a problem because it was a fakeclaim and surely I am not "immortal" :p You're acknowledging that you fakeclaimed two-face mason now? | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:43 Toadesstern wrote: hey DocH, did you get shot? And when I ask you if you got shot I'm asking if you got shot. Yep. | ||
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On February 08 2012 05:47 Radfield wrote: Man.... Why did you claim schworz? Please stop talking about the mason thread BM, and please stop talking about a mass claim. The Mason thread is completely unimportant, and 99.99% infiltrated by scum, which is unsurprising when it contains half the player base. If you are not in the mason circle, don't worry. I would actually post the link to the thread to stop the discussion, but can't because Joker is basically exposed in that thread. Anyways, a 15 player circle has basically no value. Toad looks decent for now, so I'm switching to Sheth. His defense was mediocre at best, and he STILL only posted his reads upon being pressed. I don't even think he voted. I'm willing to switch to cyber_cheese if need be. I'm gone for the rest of the night pretty much until lynch time. ##Vote: Sheth Isn't this the lynch you were excited about Palmar? Radfield could just be hedging his bets here but I don't see why he'd feel the need jump off Toads like that. What I don't like about it is that he had already claimed CC was a good lynch earlier and the decision to jump to Sheth instead seems like he is more concerned about how his vote is perceived than what it does? If he's scum he obviously knows CC is town and there are a few townie players that scum like to keep around if possible because they're disruptive/gullible etc and it's easy to keep town focused on them and considering the way CC plays I can definitely seem scum reasoning this way. They're also not going to all vote in the same direction. I'll go through his posts in the quicktopic and see if I find anything alarming. I'd like Radfield to have more of an impact on this game though. He just seems too gentle and content to build off of what other players are talking about and ask questions. Not sold on this now that I've read the posts in between his early and late ones. | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote: OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming. Toades made a lot of bad moves. This doesn't make him scum. I'm 99.99% sure of his role and it's a blue one. I too want to berate him for making dumb decisions (and myself) but it'd be basically pointless until the game is over and would broadcast way too much info to the scum. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=56992 has done nothing other than repeat/comment on other players posts. On February 09 2012 16:47 jaybrundage wrote: Imma try to write as i go pretty far behind 30 pages about half way thru. First time trying this lets see how it goes :D Tunkeg are you seriously doing your tunneling to the death again. It was bad in student mafia and its bad now. You have to stop getting so emotinally invested. If someone offends you it does not mean they are mafia. You need to stop this bad play now its anti town. Put a case but dont do this emotional bullshit. Toad claims Two-face and says hes immortal. Just a bad play regardless. I think he has some "plan" and it probably involves a fake claim. Wait Palmar is twoface too thats wierd. Nvm why would Palmar make that thing up with toad i dont get it. Maybe a counter to cat women. (Perhaps hes Poison Ivy trying to get Catwomen to DT, take a hit at her and then Idk maybe a tracker/watcher involved (forgot which does which) to out the third party) Its wierd to say the least. I kind of dont like it because information is gold in a mafia game. And if you really are Twoface you just gave away information for free : / Jackal Claims Santa Claus Scare Crow? maybe Nvm hes zasza (he died) Crazy QT buziness going on. Apparently a fake Palmar in the QT? BM claims Hush the medic. I still have no idea why everyone is claiming this game. Is it because of the unique names. Its very wierd. Wow this is a crazy fucken game. Toad tried to draw a bullet for RGthetwoface but Rg Counterclaims and totally loses the chance of not dying rofl so we have a dead blue tonight god this game is crazy Offtopic But pics of Opz in creased pants and a button up or it didnt happen And Jackal died looks like he was blue crazy he got to kill people in his own QT :o And two townies as well Both inmates were insane (miller) correct its not a typo. It seems wierd that two insane townies got killed i would almost say the work of some wierd role. And it looks like one mafia/vig shot got blocked. A claim of a hit from RGtheshouldbedead. Well i caught up. Im really tired atm so no analazy from me i will try to be a bit more active tho D: Very ineffectual post. This is a lurker who should be on the radar. We don't need a summary of the game, that doesn't count as contributing anything. This is 3/3 of his posts pertaining to the game at hand. | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:25 Forumite wrote: So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face. he fucked up. he can't actually go back and redo everything to make the best possible move so what exactly do you want? | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:30 Tunkeg wrote: He want to hang him for it, and you to. I agree... For making a suboptimal play? Would you be happy if I just nameclaimed? | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:36 Forumite wrote: I want to know if there are any Town reasons for him doing what he did. If there is no Town reasons then I must assume there are scum reasons. Messing up happens, at least we didn´t loose a Blue because of it, but we could have. Toades, I don´t care who, just tell me, do you have a read on a Two-Face that isn´t Schworz? My guess is he thought he'd use his invulnerability to save the person he thought was two-face. Knowing he can't die at night, he'd soak up whatever hits would have gone to someone else. He could have made a better play with that, but probably didn't think things through well enough. The fact that 2 other people came out and claimed the same role is confusing, I didn't even know what the fuck was happening without thinking about it for a while. | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:37 Tunkeg wrote: Him for playing a really really confusing game, which I can only belive to be non-townie. And you for getting DT checked comming out red, and after that filling this post up with alot of confusing stuff. You are the one who said either you or rgTS is lying. I belive it to be you, am I wrong, then we would by your logic kill him. Not quite correct. There is still a possibility that rg is insane or has unreliable checks. | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:42 Tunkeg wrote: Yes, this I have allready advocated earlier. But you said that unless BC is lying to you this isn't true... Nope. I just said there's no chance that rG is insane without knowing about it. He hasn't commented on the matter. Toades, do you think it would be fine to say we're both the same person for the purposes of the town understanding without getting modkilled? | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:52 Toadesstern wrote: what are you talking about? I don't need to claim, it's enough to claim your name and you don't need to claim your special power. If you pick the right name that's fine with me and I'll confirm it. This is going to be so hilarious and see massive amounts of shitstorm comming. If you don't know you don't know. I'll need to talk to BC before it really matters how I claim my role. | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If you don't know you don't know. I'll need to talk to BC before I claim. It really matters how I claim my role. Editing to make the post clearer. | ||
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On February 09 2012 21:35 Kurumi wrote: Death to Ra's Ghul! ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why do you think I'm Ghul? | ||
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On February 09 2012 21:49 Kurumi wrote: Also trying to claim that DT is as insane as insane is claiming miller. Oh wait, You've already claimed blue. Too bad. It's the only possibility since I'm not mafia. He's either insane or lying. I don't see why it's so ridiculous to think that there might be non-sane DT's in this game. | ||
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On February 09 2012 22:56 Radfield wrote: That's ridiculous. There is no way in the world that Catwoman would not shoot RG last night. It was a free Two-face kill. Schworz even claims he took a hit, but a catwoman hit is unblockable unless you are a vet or Poison Ivy. Schworz is neither of those, hence the most likely option is that he is catwoman. Also, if he was actually a detective he should have gotten back a role, not just alignment. Why do you think that mafia have a medic? I don't see that anywhere in the OP. I see DT, Roleblocker, Vet + 3 KP. Not true all. Toaddesstern is also able to survive a hit from either Batman or Catwoman. Hugo Strange is a medic isn't he? | ||
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On February 09 2012 22:58 Kurumi wrote: Actually, I think I might know what's going on with Schworz then. He might be Poison Ivy. She is unkillable by CW. This means, if CW hit him, it would have no effect. And, as You said, we can be sure CW actually did hit Schworz. Although, this still means he's town. A really weird gambit if You ask me. Then why would he lie and say he checked me and found me guilty? He's either an insane DT or a liar. I can't claim until I get a green light from BC. I'm ready to do it, tactically, but because of the nature of my role there is a small annoyance that scum can turn against me if I'm not able to explain my role fully or allude to the issue. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:02 Toadesstern wrote: well a simple name would be enough for me to understand and you could claim everything else later on if you got the name You'll get that soon enough. If you read my filter really closely you'll know anyway. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote: ok this one is easy. We screw everything DocH, myself and Schworz said for now and vote Sheth. If he flips anything but tyger (miller would be okayish as well) we lynch Radfield. gg no re. I don't think it's that unlikely that someone would have protected radfield. He's a vet after all. Bitches love protecting vets. And have no discussion? If rG doesn't respond well then he's an easy lynch for tomorrow. It's tough when you have a mafia medic and a mafia vet to be strong at night, that suggests that there are a lot of Vig's in this game. If he can't respond, don't vig him at night but each vig should shoot whoever they see as the second most likely behind him. Hugo just has to lock up rG and he's immune to everything besides Batman/Catwoman as far as I can tell. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:13 Palmar wrote: That's extremely interesting Radfield. Remember when I at the start of the game posted the lyrics to "Don't Cry" by guns and roses? The key line is "I've been there before". I rolled the same role as last time Radfield. Unlike last time my role is town-sided. What's interesting is that, being the joker, my kills are unblockable, except I can't kill the veterans and batman/catwoman. So, now. What do we do with you? You've basically confirmed yourself as batman or catwoman. Do we lynch you? Or do we allow you go for another day. In addition, this means it's very likely your investigation is correct on sheth... So we have both a confirmed 3rd party and a confirmed scum. Wow you're a such a fucking liar in this game | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:20 Toadesstern wrote: I know EXACTLY what is going on with Palmar. Palmar knows EXACTLY what is going on with me. DocH knows EXACTLY what is going on with me but isn't able to catch the drift palmar did :p So I shouldn't be worried? Are you sure? | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:21 Toadesstern wrote: no need to be worried right now. I'd say you might end up being his counterpart lol I wish I saw the drift. I'm not good at reading between the lines. | ||
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I'm Clayface. That's all I can say for now. That is my real role, which is an important detail. | ||
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Yep. Go ahead and move your vote to Sheth now. | ||
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Palmar, myself, and Toadesstern are all certainly town at this point. Radfield is very likely a third party, but I am not so much concerned with this. Again, if he keeps posting his DT results he's just helping town and I doubt he's just gonna go on a rampage shooting townies. Radfield is smarter than that. rGTheSchworz lied about his check or is insane. Kurumi comes up with the idea that he was a vig who hit, didn't get a kill, and just assumed Ra's Al Ghul? Where do you get that kind of confidence from? You're a noob vig who shoots a vet player, gets blocked: could be medic, could be veteran, but you're SO CONFIDENT you're willing to put your neck on the line to call him scum? That seems really unlikely. Not only that, but Kurumi comes in with the immediate accusation that I'm Al Ghul and is laying out the beginnings of an argument for rG to use If he doesn't argue he's insane he's either gonna have to convince the town that his check is better than Rad's (unlikely) then he has to do something else and Kurumi set him up nicely don't you think? Kurumi a player who: -Claims vig but not which. CW's existence is irrelevant, he's already made himself a target for her by that claim. -Refuses to claim name after pressure. -Says he's going to make shots, then doesn't pull through. -Sets up rG to argue his way out of a probable fake check rG survives as well. He claims two face and doesn't die? He claims to be immortal then asks "WHY DIDN'T THEY KILL ME"? That doesn't add up. I've cleared my head and I'm looking through this shit. Why would a medic protect the two-face guy who claims to be invincible knowing that medic hits DON'T STOP CATWOMAN? rGTheScwhorz is a liar or monumentally bad. Or I'm monumentally bad at reading comprehension. You decide which it is. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:46 Toadesstern wrote: there were some people requesting logs from that QT and people (like Rad) said it's to dangerous to do that because the Joker is claimed or know within the walls of that mighty QT if I am correct. If you think Rad is batman and you know Rad is able to read and post there as well, is that guy who is supposed to be joker already one of the victims of yesterday? Or is he still alive? Also would you agree that it's to dangerous o link logs? No, it's not dangerous. I fake posted as the Joker in the QT for reasons to gauge reactions and see if I could pull off some kind of bullet soak but I didn't really see it going anywhere so I dropped it. Go ahead and post QT logs if you think they are relevant. I'd only post them as they pertain to a case you're making though, it's nice to be able to spam in the QT instead of the thread since I like to spam everywhere. It's a bad habit. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:53 Kurumi wrote: Anyway DrH, I believe You now. I just wanted some reactions. That's a nice backaway can you respond to the rest of the pressure now? What do you have to lose by telling us which Vig you are at this point? You're already a Catwoman/scum target by the nature of so many other roles being outed now and she'll probably pull the trigger tonight. What's stopping you? | ||
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He makes more sense as Batman on day 2 He makes more sense as Catwoman as day 1 He makes sense as bad playing scum on both, or insane dt on both | ||
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I just don't understand why he got a guilty read on me if I'm Clayface but that discussion isn't going anywhere until he comes back to this thread. | ||
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You could maybe trick bad new players into thinking it's smart to lynch Catwoman. But that 1:1 batman trade is good. Sorry. By the way what the fuck is the riddler game | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:26 Toadesstern wrote: yeah not my fault. It's docH who did this style. As already mentioned I'm not retarded and don't need those winks :D Leave me alone | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:30 Jayjay54 wrote: actually you mentioning a "codeword" made me realize it...whatever. so what to do? I feel like lynching sheth seems like a good option and will information to continue, too. in other news: katina, opz, evantrees, Read jaybrundages filter. I don't remember if I posted about him or not but he basically only comments on what other people do then makes a long post that is just a summary of the thread. terrible lurking, can't be allowed to slide. Also the very typical scum "Okay, I'm ready to be useful now! I'm done lurking and I'm totally gonna contribute.......eventually......" Town player just goes ahead and contributes. Doesn't need fucking attention for doing their job. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:34 Jayjay54 wrote: what about clayface hidden stuff. you appear randomly as someone when checked. because you can turn into anything. Basically a flavoured miller. Can't go off on that yet until BC tells me what I can and can't say outright. | ||
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If there is a chance "guilty" doesn't necessarily mean one of the listed red roles then maybe rG isn't lying. I find it odd that he used that word specifically twice. It doesn't even seem like the right way to describe a players alignment. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:38 Jayjay54 wrote: hmm. if you don't appear red, than rg is black or red. it's as simple, isn't it? There's a lot we don't know about his role so I'm not sure of that. I came out of the gate thinking he's probably innocent and is an insane DT or there is some kind of catch to his role. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:39 Tyrran wrote: I prefer my explanation of Two face flipping a coin when checking someone. Head : rigth result. Tail: Wrong result. Rigth now, i'm thinking rG is two face. I'd still like some explanation from him tho. Your explanation of somebody elses role is not useful. rG can explain himself when he gets here. We need to stay on topic. Sheth is dying today, no doubt about it. Don't let yourselves get fooled by any desperate play he makes. If the scum team is smart at all they've probably already thrown him under the bus. You never know though. Forumite. You are aware Mafia can block vig at night? You are aware that a wasted lynch brings us closer to LYLO? You have no incentive to lynch Batman unless you are Hugo at this point. Preserve mafia KP a bit longer, another day closer to LYLO. Town only gets one guaranteed kill a game and that is our lynch. Using that on anyone else but scum is a bad move. Any perceived advantage you get from offing Batman or Catwoman pales in comparison to the advantage received by killing scum. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:42 Toadesstern wrote: oh and DocH I don't want you to claim more than you already did. There's simply no need to right now. Let's wait for the next cycle ans see the lynch first. I'll need medics to protect me tonight though. I already took one hit and my extra night life is gone. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:46 Toadesstern wrote: sure, still no reason to claim more than you already did. I wasn't planning on it. I'm not retarded either, just stupid | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:51 Jayjay54 wrote: yup, his character's bio states that he can't just kill someone, but rather has to "set up a trap/riddle" they can't solve. Looking how the game is right now, that's definitely the case. This also means twoface will have some coin flip mechanic included. This also means, that scum roles will have special abilites as well. => instead of looking for clues we might search the batman game wiki for hints. Maybe this helps e.g. to assign people like palmar to a certain role. I'd rather we didn't do that and instead spent time searching the thread for scum. | ||
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On February 08 2012 12:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why would mafia waste three bullets on you if you don't say name versus only one if you do? That doesn't make sense unless you're the Joker. If you're the Joker you're still gonna get guarded. Your argument is as impressive as wet clay. | ||
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On February 10 2012 03:05 Katina wrote: There you go again. Same as day one, the votes start coming in then you quickly jump up to defend yourself...again. Where have you been this whole time? It's about time people start seeing that you should be lynched. You haven't been very useful helping find scum since the begining so why start now? Maybe because people shifted their attention back on you? As for me going missing under a rock? It's actually cozy and warm there, it also makes for a good spot to read the millions of posts I missed while I was sleeping. There's almost no reason to deal with Sheth until he is lynched. I don't think he'll make too much noise though. Try lynching Coagulation when he's mafia that's a real shitstorm. Sheth saying he might be a miller is the same as claiming VT. This is a weak ass defense. "If I die and flip not mafia, then i wasn't mafia" is about the jist of this garbage. | ||
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On February 10 2012 02:02 ico wrote: Answer me this, why would a town aligned Toad and a town aligned DrH spam so damn much? never played with me eh? in every game i play regardless of alignment i'm the #1 poster usually by a margin about 40-50 posts i think one time i got counted at like 99 when the second postingest player was at like 42 in insane mafia or something? it's a bad bad bad habit that can be chalked up to me having nothing better to do. I try to work on it and don't have much success. | ||
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On February 10 2012 18:04 wherebugsgo wrote: like seriously, the hell is this you KNOW my intention in saying that was that I actually am making an effort to read the thread, while rg is not. I don't believe your claim for a second and I will honestly be incredibly surprised if Sheth flips scum. And yes, I realize I will look like a total fucking moron if Sheth actually does flip scum. rG is pretty clearly talking about a counterclaim. You're reading so hard into nothing and grasping at straws, it's doesn't look good it looks desperate. Why are you on a bender right now when we already have the best possible lynch? If you have a case make it well at the end of the night in case you die, you're not helping anyone by spamming and getting upset. | ||
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On February 10 2012 18:29 Palmar wrote: In addition bugs. As I've explained, there is a reason to believe Radfield did DT check Sheth and there is no reason to believe he's not telling the truth about the result. Radfield lying about the result makes no sense no matter his alignment. And seeing as Radfield is confirmed as 3rd party (through my shot), it would indeed be counter-productive for him to lie, and likely get hanged. I don't think you're reading the thread. I think you're raging for no reason at all. Why are you doing it? he hasn't done anything good as town and isn't he terrible as scum ? | ||
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On February 10 2012 18:46 Palmar wrote: Bugs is very good scum. Like most people I'd have written off as town by now because his frustration seems kinda genuine. But he could easily pull this off. It's his town play that sucks. If a good townie had the reads he has I'd immediately conclude he's scum purely based on trying to push stupid lynches. So, for now, I'm using the ignore and hope it goes away approach. We're lynching sheth, even with the chance he'll flip miller it's the correct play to do it. There are very few people in this game I would not lynch on a DT check on day2 from a person I am 100% sure has the ability to DT check, and has no reason to lie about it. Oh, I don't know his meta I only played with him for like half of one day cycle. I remember you saying this but I got it mixed up. | ||
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Why do you care rG? I'm Clayface, hired by another named player in the game. You don't have to understand anything beyond that. | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:44 rgTheSchworz wrote: A medic protected me. What is CC? A medic can't block Catwoman. | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:52 rgTheSchworz wrote: And even if I m not Two-Face, the real Two-face wouldnt counter-claim me. He would be so exposed to CW. Why the fuck did you push me so hard as a liar then back off now? What made you that confident as a "pro-town" player to paint me red with a fake ass check. How in 10000000000 years is this pro-town behavior? No one trusts you, so you're backing off despite no CC. I sense inherent guilt. | ||
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On February 11 2012 01:54 Toadesstern wrote: nono, the real Two-Face is immortal! :p Do you think it's the case with all 3? | ||
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That's not a town move. It's not. It's not town to say "I don't care if I get lynched cause I can still win." So can scum. You would care about a wasted lynch if you want to win as town. You can't just say "Yeah I got this, it makes sense" when it doesn't make sense to anyone except you. | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:00 Kurumi wrote: I believe You're town, because You'd be dead other way. lol | ||
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Medics get off me ASAP. Toad doesn t understand I ll be catfood tonight. When I flip, please lynch this liar= DocH. So, the check should be real. However, you can just ignore it, Rad s check hasn t been scoffed at as was mine. We´re lynching only one guy today, anyways. I also must remind myself to post some thoughts as soon as I catch up with the thread and figure out Toad´s role Why didn't you back off sooner? That's what I don't understand. You're just trying to get people to "react"? And this helps you hunt scum how exactly? | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:05 Kurumi wrote: Schworz must be town. Look at Catwoman role description. Then look at Schworz claiming being hit. Then add up things like: -He'd be dead if he wasn't one of vets or Poison Ivy -Since he's alive, he must be one of the vets or Poison Ivy -Since he was trying to get hits on him, and he got info about being hit, he's most likely vet. -CW's best hit was Schworz. It all adds up. He could be Ra's Al Ghul: the thing you said I definitely was. Lol. OR He could be Catwoman. CC to draw out the real two-face. Used his DT power on either either Toades/Palmar or somebody else? How can you be so shortsighted to see town as the only possibility? | ||
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You could have went the vig route with Two-Face too. If this was your plan from the beginning, why choose the harder role to fake? | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:17 Kurumi wrote: No point in DT-ing. Hit and he's dead Two-Face? Amazing! Hit and he's not dead? That gives CW enough info. I agree. It is still a possibility. | ||
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On February 11 2012 02:24 Jayjay54 wrote: whatever, too much speculation. You wanna lynch bugs, kurumi? Who do you want to see dead doc? Sheth. The case I'd potentially make could change wildly depending on that flip, so I don't feel the need to make a bunch of extraneous cases and accusations. I'll use the rest of the time in the day to actually catch up on what I missed D1 and sort all these arguments out in my mind. I'll say more at night near the deadline in case I die. I'll likely make a case on 2 or so people. I hope medics will keep me alive tonight so I can push it throughout the next day but since the lynch is basically resolved today there's not much for me to do today other than keep up pressure where I feel it's appropriate. | ||
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On February 11 2012 10:34 jaybrundage wrote: WBG you think sheth is being bussed now huh wow no fucken kidding WIFOM | ||
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Arkham City in which all you've done was roleplay uselessly for a day then parrot everything I said to make a case on a lurker What's the problem exactly? Haven't you called for vig's to shoot me multiple times now too? | ||
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On February 11 2012 14:12 ~OpZ~ wrote: So ignore my question a second time...so what game was that n where r my repeated vig calls? Yes. I'm uncertain of u but ur claims unchallenged so I have no choice Stop pressing me. N now I'm fairly certain the person I know is confirmed. I'm happy with my town read. I don't remember the number. Was it not the TF2 mafia game where we banded together in irc and you were useful or do I have you confused with someone else? On February 10 2012 01:18 ~OpZ~ wrote: He knew it because Jackal? He's in the phone booth QT And another post afterwards getting mad because a townie is pressuring for what doc H is claiming, when a DT received a red check? You renigged your claim of two face, so what the hell are you talking about toad. Jesus....I've never been 100% down for LAL but shit, Palmar, Toad, DocH, gtfo this game. You forgot toad and doc H, bro. You were just saying I'm scum, I remembered wrong. Someone else said I should be shot or on a shoot list, maybe it was Palmar? Regardless you've never called me out for spamming before as far as I can remember. this isn't the first game we've played together and it isn't the first time I'm the most prolific poster. I always am. All you did was flip out about all the claims all throughout Day 2 then push a case I made, probably because it was easy and didn't require you to make your own analysis. You haven't really done anything. In the first day you were just distracting with your worthless roleplaying shit. If you want to criticize other players for ruining the thread, look at yourself. You didn't do shit day 1, criticized Chaoser for a "worthless" post despite posting even less substance than he had. Then you say "I knew DocH was scum all along." really? Why didn't you say anything? rG's fake DT check was the perfect opportunity for scum to do this bullshit but they had nowhere to go with it when rG couldn't back himself up and Radfield made the more convincing claim. Chaoser was pretty worthless on Day 1 but you were worse. Roleplaying, being selective, not even pushing the player who according to you "reeked of scum Day 1", why was it that you didn't want to say anything? It's not like I wouldn't respond seeing as I post more often than anyone else, how do you justify criticizing other players for not contributing then contribute zero and not only that you don't even bother to make the case? All you've done for your "scumhunting" is agree/disagree with people or with jaybrundage repeat the exact same shit I said. That's not good enough. I make a lot of mistakes, I mix peoples names up and I post too much, I'm sloppy, but I'm not stupid enough to not make a case on a player I think is scum when there is a contested lynch. You had nothing on me Day 1 to call me scum, which is why you didn't. Getting to say you thought so all along when there is doubt (that is quickly stamped out) about it isn't convincing. You're also coming off like you're disappointed that my roleclaim checks out, disappointed that you can't push me for a bad lynch. You didn't call for vig shots repeatedly. That post of yours I quoted about adding me and toad, I remembered as something like "remember to shoot toad/doch", the part earlier were you talk about killing me could have been about lynches. If I'm confusing you with a different player who I communicated with in that TL Mafia game (TF2 theme, kurumi was host I think) then correct me because my memory is horrible and I might be wrong. Even if I'm wrong about that all these points still stand. So put up or shut up. | ||
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All of the cases Kurumi pushed Day 1 were weak and he hardly bothered to justify most of them. There's no serious case for his lolrandom vote switch to Qualis. He comes out saying "I don't think CC or Sheth are scum" then very very quickly is asking people to change their votes to Sheth. The fact that Sheth is mafia does not auto-clear everyone who voted for him Day 1 or Day 2 and it doesn't clear anyone who attacked him either. When I wake up tomorrow I'll be combing filters but my advice for others is to look for people who rather than defending Sheth just tried to redirect suspicion or outright didn't even comment on it despite making cases/voting otherwise. | ||
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On February 11 2012 15:09 hiro protagonist wrote: WBG is not stupid enough as scum to try and re-direct a lynch from his scum buddy when He had a DT check and 20+ votes on him with hours left in the day. But you know, thats just WIFOM i guess, but why make the effort to look stupid? Yeah, I feel like that's probably the case? I've never played with WBG for more than like a day so I can't speak on what kind of player he is. I am leaning toward Kurumi but I still want to look at other players and get more information before I make a case especially considering I missed all the critical pieces of the first Sheth/CC bandwagon split when I had no internet, I'm just now seeing what everyone had to see through filters. It'll take me more than 10 minutes to get everything sorted out in my head. | ||
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On February 11 2012 17:51 rgTheSchworz wrote: Palmar, I think you didn t mention having multiple shots...... He's lying about everything in the first place so why would he? I thought that was pretty obvious. | ||
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I'm gonna start with Kurumi. Reading Kurumi's filter a few things stand out at me, they are very big things. 1. Kurumi criticizes other players for doing things that he does and for not doing things that he does not do. 2. Kurumi makes many posts which give the illusion of contribution. I am not talking about spamming. 3. Kurumi seems more interested in making other players look bad and putting down their play than making a real scum case. It's easy as scum to be hostile to people and make it look like you're "pressuring" or something of that nature without making real analysis, because you have to make shit up when you do that. 4. He is okay with lying.and does it for what I see as no pro-town benefit. 5. His relations with Sheth considering that Sheth was Tyger Guard seem defensive and his Day 1 offense on Sheth is short lived and possibly artificial. You can read his filter yourself here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=68386 On February 06 2012 19:13 Kurumi wrote: I find it funny how Schworz wanted to create discussion by voting Kenpachi and he indeed did. The mass claim is weak, just looking at things that Poison Ivy can be two roles (Medic and Vigilante) same deal with Harley Quinn and Two-Face can be either Vigilante or Detective. (AKA, what will You do when You have 2 Two-Faces or even 3?) The interesting thing though is Scum Doc, besides Scum Vig and Scum RB(Talia al Ghul). And to make it even funnier, there's DT-Vet too (Ra's Al Ghul). Killing Hugo(GF Medic or Jailkeeper?) removes Deadshot's(additional kp, the Vig I believe) power from the game. So: Mafia has 3KP and a lot of additional actions. They're like mini-town setup on their own. Where that puts us? Mafia can easily fakeclaim, because they have the powers, easy as that. About Schworz, I just ponder, is he IWANNABETHEHEROTOWN or he's like scumvoteasfastaspossible, pardon, but piling votes on him that fast does might be a little wrong (and that early in the day, sup dead set lynch when it's left 8-10 hours). On the other hand, we kind-of can't have Vigi kill him if he's scum.. Y'know, the Doc. This is a good example of a Day 1 scum post. While me and Cyber_Cheese had a real argument (which should have ended much sooner, which I tried to end sooner but kept bringing it up because I was being assailed for it) this is absolutely nothing. He is explaining the scenario then making a completely inconclusive "analysis" of rGTheSchworz. On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote: Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs. "What you're doing is useless. I'll be helpful later." Lists and graphs are not helpful. His list was equally useless to layabouts list which he gets upset about later. On February 07 2012 03:41 Kurumi wrote: 1.Bill Murray - He's back. A lot of posts. 2. Kenpachi - Don't worry if You forget about him playing. 3. Visceraeyes - "Core" of TL mafia 4. Toadesstern - Still quite new 5. Hiro Protagonist - "Core" of TL mafia 6. Jayjay54 - New 7. Layabout - New 8. Cyber_cheese - Still quite new // "core"? 9. Doctor Helvetica - Uh, need advice from someone like Jackal 10. Jackal58 - lurky, aggressive and good. 11. Slardar - new 12. Tobberath - new 13. jaybrundage - new I guess? 14. Wherebugsgo - vocal aggressive and good 15. Tyran - new 16. Tunkeg - new 17. Kurumi - troll/"core" player many posts (myself, ask away) 18. Risk.nuke - Still quite new 19. Opz - ??? 20. Kitaman27 - Quite good, been here for a while 21. ico - new 22. Evantrees - new 23. -_-qualis - new 24. forumite - "core" 25. Liquid`sheth - new, but played a lot of rl mafia 26. Radfield - if not dead N1 he's mafia. seriously though, amazing player 27. rgtheschworz - new 28. Palmar - sufferring from something I can't name, or maybe it's boredom because of role received? 29. Chaoser - was baller and not so baller since 30. Katina - new 31. Adam4167 - some say promising newbie I'd like people to add things to this player list, I'll how do You call it? important people // known // good should be discussed The first of two. This offers nothing to the discussion. This offers nothing to town to help find scum. This lets Kurumi control who is looked at and who isn't. This is more useless than anything he will later call "useless" when other players do it. On February 07 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: All Your posts are utter garbage. Do I need to motivate You with a vote to help Town? Oh wait, maybe You don't want to help us? Why are You defending Kenpachi? Such as this one. I think that scum was trying to get layabout lynched early in Day 1 because of the unhelpful graph he posted. Unlike Kurumi's little list, layabouts was a joke (somewhat amusing actually) whereas Kurumi's had a serious motive. Which is described by him it was list of generic info about players (really generic..) people who were suspicious and people who should be important in the game." Very helpful. Looking through the filter you can see his apparent tunneling of Kenpachi. He accuses other players of saying that Kenpachi's green claim is helpful or pro-town. In reality, nobody is saying that. They are only saying that Kenpachi does this every game and assuming he is scum for it when he does it every game regardless of his role is stupid and we should talk about something else. Kenpachi is not very good at framing arguments and can not deal with good pressure, his only bet to surviving as scum is to lurk, so he's not the kind of player anyone should be worried about on Day 1 anyway imo. I haven't looked into Sheth case. Give me some time. If he's mafia this makes a lot of sense. He seems to be pretty active in the thread and I doubt he'd have no opinion. The fact that he's criticizing other players for being obtuse and not contributing leads me to believe he should have jumped all over Sheth WITHOUT anyone else even having to have made the case. So why not defend him right away? If they're scumbuddies, Kurumi has to be deceptive here. He needs to think about it. Is he going to defend Sheth or is he going to distance himself from a guy who very well might be lynched? Artificial arguments happen. Scum will vote for eachother. Scum will bus eachother. The fact that Kurumi later supports the Sheth vote does NOT clear him of innocence. Kurumi does not commit to the Sheth wagon and because I missed I can't relate the context to the voting record at the time but it seems he switches to Qualis when the Sheth vote becomes a serious possibility. If Sheth gets lynched he gets to say "I voted for him originally, aha I knew he was scum all along!" if Sheth survives then he helped save his scumbuddy by moving his vote. This is the only thing that throws me off. It's a lot rarer, I think, that mafia players have confusion about the rules than town players. Especially something really simple like traitors/millers I think the mafia would definitely all know about. I don't know how many scumteams fake this kind of stuff now. I make it a point to ask questions in the thread, pretend to be confused about rules, etc. when I am scum and I encourage my teammates to do similar things. This is just a bit too specific and it seems like Kurumi could just be horrendous town from this. I don't know his metagame so I'm not qualified to judge if he is usually this bad as a town player or not. On February 08 2012 07:34 Kurumi wrote: I am afraid because i have no time and my targets are not exactly the candidates Didnt look into sheth or cc too much is vote wbg if it would matter but it doesnt so i voted qualis because he is my strong scum read too Doesn't care who gets lynched, picks the non-sheth candidate arbitrarily here. On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote: Look: My strongest scum read is WBG. He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument. No big efforts and backed up by scummy people. Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case. His switch to Sheth was that WBG soft-defended him. If WBG is the one you think is scum, why didn't you vote for WBG instead? On February 08 2012 11:48 Kurumi wrote: I'll probably won't have time to redeem myself. This seems staged as hell to me. Kurumi isn't the one pushing Sheth so hard, the fact that he singles out the guy who is really just accusing WBG through Sheth just seems so odd to me. That's not town thinking. Sheth hasn't done anything to defend himself or contribute to town. "Oh, I thought you were scum but you want another day? Yeah okay haha fine " Sheth's defense here is SO weak. Why did he appeal to Kurumi so specifically? Sheth has the heat on him and now his scum buddies need a legit way to take their votes off. On February 08 2012 12:11 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser, indeed. WBG Layabout Qualis my reads, top being the strongest. They are crumbling though. Most of the suspicion on WBG comes on soft-defense of Sheth and ressurecting Schworz and being backed up by individuals like BM. Layabout.. Terrible pictures useless at the beginning and actively lurking voted cc without reason only defends himself Qualis defending Kenpachi saying that claiming d1 is completly fine and gives no info or indication of alignment I thought most of your suspicion on SHETH came from WBG soft defending him because earlier you said WBG was your strongest scum read. You were useless at the beginning. You voted for CC without reason. You even admitted it. You contributed useless list which is basically equivalent to layabouts picture. He defends himself because everyone is pressuring him : i.e you. Scum tactic: Get hostile on someone, they act defensive, then say "lolol why u so defensive? u must be scum". Bullshit. Bullshit. On February 08 2012 12:14 Kurumi wrote: I am not trying to dodge the lynch, I don't give a fuck. Lynch me, fine. I understand why You're thinking that's a good decision. No need for claiming anything. Let's say, stars aligned perfectly with something. Somehow I am on a vig spree lately. scum. On February 08 2012 12:21 Kurumi wrote: My train of thought WBG is scummy. No way of swinging lynch on him. He defends Sheth, high probability of being scumbuddies. Proceed to vote Sheth. Then I get caught in my stupidity. My faith in my read on WBG crumbles. CC is the guy I never investigated because I tunneled people I've seen on my scum list. Layabout is on me now, was on CC. No way to get him up for lynch either. Forfeit him in favor of WBG. Then I get caught on being narrowminded and that most of my reads are for shreds. Although, Qualis still rubs me wrong way. Low activity, scummy behaviour, like, I can't be that wrong. You didn't get caught in anything, Sheth was the right choice. On February 08 2012 12:24 Kurumi wrote: Vigilantes are in the danger zone. I refuse. You have the balls to claim and make yourself a target. You say you don't care if you get lynched. But too afraid to put a name on the claim. Ha, ok. On February 08 2012 12:28 Kurumi wrote: The last time I made a big post on someone and the first time I believe was Merc Mini 2, pushing Radfield the Town Day One. I was Town. "I don't have to put in effort but anyone else who doesn't must be scum." On February 09 2012 21:35 Kurumi wrote: Death to Ra's Ghul! ##vote DoctorHelvetica Immediate and stupid assumption. Notice that he voted for Qualis and made a barely existant case in an earlier post. It was here Qualis defending Kenpachi saying that claiming d1 is completly fine and gives no info or indication of alignment Pretty weak. Tunneling Kenpachi again. So you lied and still won't claim the name. You didn't attract a single bullet, so your original point for claiming with no name is dead. On February 09 2012 22:58 Kurumi wrote: Actually, I think I might know what's going on with Schworz then. He might be Poison Ivy. She is unkillable by CW. This means, if CW hit him, it would have no effect. And, as You said, we can be sure CW actually did hit Schworz. Although, this still means he's town. A really weird gambit if You ask me. No, it's not for sure actually. Three people claimed two-face yesterday. OpZ did his little penguin roleplaying. There were other potential targets. Yes it's possible she used her DT powers. On February 09 2012 23:02 Kurumi wrote: Schworz is Poison Ivy Vigilante and he hit You. Since You did not flip, he assumed You're Ra's Al Ghul. How can Schworz be Poison Ivy vigilante and survive CW's hit? If I'm not mistaken, only if she chooses vet will she survive the Catwoman shot. I don't know if this is a slip of you making shit up to defend rG (as you've done all game). Scum might not be all too concerned about exactly how Catwomans hits function so he might not have thought it through. It's WIFOM to get too deep into this beyond that this post is nonsense. On February 09 2012 23:53 Kurumi wrote: Anyway DrH, I believe You now. I just wanted some reactions. No you didn't. If I didn't claim Clayface you would have never backed off me as Ghul. Scum. On February 10 2012 01:57 Kurumi wrote: Schworz, what's Your real role and name? Why don't you give up yours since you lied too. | ||
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You lied about being the two face and you're lying about being the Joker now so I have basically no reason to trust you. I don't even bother to read your posts when it's apparent you're being serious and I'll never /in another game that you're signed up for again. You're too annoying. | ||
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On February 11 2012 19:03 rgTheSchworz wrote: DrH, Kurumi isn t scum. I ll explain. Catwoman didnt shoot N1 and I know it. You mean the thing Kurumi is saying would be impossible in order to defend you???? | ||
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On February 11 2012 19:09 Palmar wrote: For what would I be modkilled? Missing a vote by chance if I'm lucky. BC confirmed to me there is no role that forces players to lie or post a certain way so without a role that is making you make certain roleclaims or disallow you from acknowledging your own lies the only possible conclusion is that you love to be as obnoxious as possible. I read your game in the last mafia and it was equally annoying. Coagulation was bad enough to make me not want to play but you're a thousand times worse than that. | ||
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On February 11 2012 19:09 Palmar wrote: Not my problem you can't deal with playing a game of mafia DrH. You're right. I am temperamental and easily upset. That's my problem, not yours. You're free to play in any manner you wish whether I consider it annoying or not. I'm not leaving this game over it. | ||
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On February 11 2012 19:12 Palmar wrote: Cry me a river. I'm not leaving this game so there's no reason to provoke me unless you want me to rage when I'm trying not to | ||
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rG claims hit BM claims hit Rad claims hit (claimed by Palmar) Kenpachi killed (claimed by toad) Jackal hit (killed) Slardar hit (killed) rG claims Catwoman did not hit. IF Rad is Batman he used his DT power. 3 mafia KP 1 CW KP 1 BM KP If, as you say, CW nor BM hit that means either 4 vig's shot last night or some people are lying. | ||
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On February 11 2012 19:40 Adam4167 wrote: This is why I asked Kurumi if he shot last night. He was the only one who really took interest in Slardar and I just cant justify that as a mafia hit... it just makes no sense on N1. Makes sense. Shoot noobs so that our veteran scum doesn't get singled out for surviving. | ||
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On February 11 2012 20:23 Palmar wrote: Because as long as clayface lives he takes all hits for the joker. This is not true. | ||
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If I survive the night the Joker can't die. I also can't be killed by Batman or Catwoman, just scum/vig. A scum/vig hit will take me out and open up the possibility of the Joker dying. That's why I need medics. I think it's pretty clear from Toades' posts regarding the issue, his claims of invulnerability, etc. that he is the real joker. I just don't understand the point of Palmar's lie, it's easy enough to keep Toades alive knowing this. Medics just need to keep me up. | ||
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On February 11 2012 20:30 rgTheSchworz wrote: Dr, answer me this: Does Palmar Die this night? Don't know if he will. Vigilantes shouldn't shoot him. The only reason I believe Palmar to be town is that he pushed Sheth a bit too hard day 1 and Toades, who I assume to be the real joker, never seemed to have a problem with Palmars claim. To make things more confusing for the potential Batman, in addition to being Clayface, I am also the Joker. Invulnerable to Batman. From what I understand nothing can kill the actual Joker as long as I'm alive. It could be Palmar, it could be Toades, it could be someone afraid to CC. Since I can't die by third party I just need a medic to keep me alive so that scum doesn't hit me and Batman is basically forced to just go off and look for Hugo instead. | ||
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On February 11 2012 20:42 Jayjay54 wrote: you can't die to third party? wow, that's handy. Seems to me like this game was designed for Joker and possibly Two-face/Penguin to survive for a while. Batman/CW are really powerful so it's only natural there would be checks like this against them. I could have claimed Joker to draw a Batman bullet but I'd just get sniped by mafia within 2 nights, he'd realize he can't kill me and start DTing, and the real Joker might CC and then end up with me getting lynched. that would force me to claim my real role and undo the original plan. That's why I toyed around with claiming/acting as the joker in the phone network day 1 | ||
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But I'm invulnerable to third party, Joker is immune to everything. The idea is that I shapeshift into Joker. If Batman hits me he will realize I'm not the real joker and his hit won't go through. I don't think Batman is informed of this, there might be more roles that have temporary or permanent protections against third party as well. As long as I am alive, Joker cannot die to ANYTHING sans lynch. He is invincible. However, if the real Joker is killed I no longer shapeshift and thus can not survive a Batman hit unless I still have my second night life. I hope that makes sense. I also return "Joker" to all DT checks as long as I'm shape shifted. Things are really tricky for Batman in this game, I'm not sure I love the balance. | ||
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On February 11 2012 20:55 Jayjay54 wrote: no. If I was batman, there is no way I'd claim DT and risk being RBed all fucking game long. Batman isn't fun if he is RBed If Palmar is batman and shot Radfield he's dead unless he's a vet meaning he isn't a DT. Unless I'm wrong and those roles (solomon grundy, etc...) survive in either form (vet/dt vet/vig, etc.) I'm not even sure there is a role that gets a choice between vet/dt. | ||
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On February 11 2012 20:59 Toadesstern wrote: LOL I did not know that about the DT. That's another important piece of the puzzle. Schworz why are you accusing joker to be mafia? Yeah, that's why I was hesitant to claim at first. Claim Clayface, mafia DT checks me says I'm the Joker and must be Hugo, etc. I figured I'd just deal with it if that happened. | ||
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On February 11 2012 20:57 Toadesstern wrote: DocH is clayface. Batman can't penetrate Clayface = I am safe for tonight. Also I'd be willing to help batman if he's not shooting Clayface. I never asked about this, idk if it takes 2 hits for batman to kill Clayface or if he's just not able to kill Clayface at all. If he wants to get to me he has to get through Clayface first. I don't want townies to get killed so let's kill hugo first kk? Batman can't kill me at all unless you die. He has no incentive to kill me in that case but I think my role exists to bait Batman into hitting me. I.E he checks me, gets joker, hits me and nothing happens. I think the person who hit me on N1 was probably the Batman anyway. So hope that scum kill me so you have a shot at the real Joker then. | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:01 Kurumi wrote: Hey, I want someone to check me! I want to laugh. Faster. Are you claiming joker? If so it's time to lynch you. You still didn't respond to my post on you. | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:02 Kurumi wrote: Joker doesn't hire people by the way. Toad, I know what You're doing. Lying again. Have the balls to call us both out, if he's lying I'm lying too right? You know town doesn't trust you as it is. Why don't you claim which vig you are if you want even a sliver of town cred. | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:05 Jayjay54 wrote: i know i know, but you talked way tooo much, this was meant to be kept secret. how are you killing hugo? ultimate joker skill? My bad play on day 1 led to all of this happening but it was probably necessary to keep me from being lynched and I think it's worth demonstrating that Palmar is a habitual liar in this game. So is Kurumi. | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:09 Kurumi wrote: No, I think You're town and there's no point in claiming otherwise. Although, Toad is a liar. He's still Town, like Schworz. I can't understand how You pull those things off guys, this game is going to be known as Jubjub Paradise. Okay. I still think you're scum. Maybe I'll find a better case in the meantime, I'm too tired to go filter hunting right now. Just from my gut I feel mega uncomfortable about lurking BM, Palmar, and rG. Palmar is either third party or scum in my opinion unless he has some genius plan that I am just too dumb to see, which he would probably agree with. DT's don't waste your time on me or Toades for further confirmation, don't waste it on people who made claims with no CC. | ||
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On February 11 2012 21:10 Toadesstern wrote: could be. Also we don't need to to talk more DocH. Kurumi clearly is town and you're behaving like Schworz n1. Batman can't kill me tonight, that's fine. The only problem here is that mafia wants to see me dead as well because an immortal confirmed townie is pretty awesome. I'd say they're going to help badman tonight and will shoot you with all they got so that batman can kill me next night. Kurumi seems to have some understanding with you, which is why I didn't push Palmar. I suppose I could just be a monumentally bad scumhunter but that doesn't change my perspective on his Day 1 playing. | ||
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On February 11 2012 23:51 chaoser wrote: Where the fuck do I try to prove that it's impossible for rG to be scum? I think he's scummy as fuck. I voted for him day one, the only reason I got off was cause he claimed blue. Yesterday I posted about how if Sheth flipped miller we need a long hard look at Palmar/Radfield/rG because I think if Sheth flipped miller that there was a good chance all three are scum. Are you guys shitting me.... IT was Kurumi who did that, not you. That's why I asked a question instead of making a statement. | ||
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I'd hardly call it that with all the hidden powers and the shitstorm surrounding them. I have no context to interpret like half the statements in the last 2 pages and it's really frustrating. | ||
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On February 12 2012 05:30 layabout wrote: Can you please explain your play in this entire game. I see no pro-town motives in any of your posts. yet you have about 10% of all posts since this 31 player game started. There aren't any. He started by lying and now he and Palmar are confusing everyone and called Toades lying scum when I know that he isn't. I don't think the two of them can make enough noise for people to get how much they've lied though. | ||
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On February 12 2012 05:16 Palmar wrote: then get some context on ebay thanks for being helpful are there any other townies you'd like to yell about shooting? more fake claims? | ||
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I had a lot of right ideas in my mind that I didn't push because I second guessed myself way too much and reacted too quickly to everything. Learning from my mistakes. GG. | ||
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On February 24 2012 00:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Also, If I want to lie as scum, I have to lie as town, while being helpful. Else, scumtell. The point of lying as scum is not to get caught, don't lie | ||
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