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What? I can't understand your horribly ugly language, sorry. On February 11 2012 22:46 rgTheSchworz wrote: Im gonna look at WBG and Kita as they have nt been helpful this game. herp says the guy who fake claimed n1 and lied about a DT check on someone who definitely did not deserve the doubt you shed on him you need to die tonight. On February 12 2012 04:02 Toadesstern wrote: bugs doesn't think I've got the balls to do that and I kind of can understand thinking that way. Speaking of bugs. Where is he? I thought he's town because he's behaving so stupid but he hasn't shown up for ages. He should have walzed in this thread calling me a retarded liar who's just trying to pull of the same trick I tried to pull of n1 with Two-Face instead of claiming joker by now. mix of comp issues and schoolwork. last night I tried playing ranked on LoL and blemished my almost-perfect anivia record when I d/ced four times in a row...just to give you an idea of the frustrations I've had with my Internet lately. Also, what? Did you fake claim again? On February 12 2012 04:15 Toadesstern wrote: I'd say we lynch fixed On February 11 2012 22:50 Tunkeg wrote: Kurami Kurami's posting leads me to think that he is either Catwoman or scum. But I think it is most likely Catwoman. His posts on rgTS being vet or PoisonIvy makes me belive he hit rgTS this night. Who would hit rgTS (claimed TwoFace) ---> CW. He have also fished for Penguin in his posts. He have lots of oneliners in his filters. I have also read something in his filter, that I will for now keep to myself. Something I think will reveal him later if he do a certain action. Radfield Radfield's filter isn't all that big. I just skimmed through it now. I belive his DT Sheth claim should make him pretty townie, and won't look more into him rgTheSchworz He have lied and claimed and retracted his claim, and given us a DT read on DrH that he later retracted. He is full of shit. But I am not sure if he is full of shit as scum. Or if he is full of shit as town (with a reason behind it). His play is very confusing though. Palmar He have played the most confusing game I have ever seen here. I thought BM was confusing, well Palmar is the king of confusion it looks like. He have claimed and retracted numerous times. He also claims he have never claimed and never lied, which only confuse me even more. Is Palmar scum, third party, normal town or town powerrole? Hard to say at this point. This alone worries me though, and I wouldn't mind if someone put a bullet in him tonight. VisceraEyes He have been on Sheths case forever. And I don't think scum would bus this early (somewhat because of the tips you gave regarding my bus theory post game in Student Mafia, where you said that you wouldn't consider bussing from the get go a good scum strategy). There you have my view on these 5. Haven't been able to dive in deep on anyone of them though, so there might be stuff I missinterpret or have just overlooked. your sandro score: 3 out of 10 explanation 1. you can't possibly be sandro smurfing (god damn it) 2. you pointed stuff out anyone could have pointed out. Since this is indicative of you reading, I guess that's worth 1 point and cuts your maximum to 8. 3. you consider my opinion about scum strategy to be the only one 4. you call a guy confusing and yet don't realize that no townie would want to appear unreadable, not even Palmar. No points for you! 5. you didn't dive deep into any of them...despite all of them being very major players in this game. The fuck you been doing? Step up your game if you wanna be the next sandro. For now though, B for effort since you're the only one (so far as I could tell) who bothered to answer my questions. I like you. On February 11 2012 22:50 Toadesstern wrote: he knew my identity as well. I figure he might be a DT who checked me, did not believe what he saw and came to the conclusion that I have to lie as well as docH. Maybe he came to the conclusion that it's less dangerous to fake a DT check on docH on the offchances that I actually am what he found out about me. That way he only screwed a lesser PR and not the most imba thing in this game besides Batman. I can ensure you that he got a DT-power. I however don't know what aligment he has yet. Schworzs flip would be nice for information but I'd like to lynch scum first. simplest explanation = he's not town remember, every alignment in the game has a DT, believing someone solely on a DT claim is thus retarded On February 11 2012 20:46 Kurumi wrote: Oh well, I had another target and now DocH is attacking me. Changing plans. Who do I want dead? The Coward, The Nutcracker, The Schizophreniac... Nah, I'll go with The Wet Blanket. you know, it's funny how this guy starts trolling after I out to the entire thread that his meta is troll as town and play srs as scum. He even admits it himself that it was hard to find a game as town where he didn't troll. On February 11 2012 20:25 rgTheSchworz wrote: DrH be sincere : Does this guy speak the truth? I have been hit. Lynch me if I lie on this one. this guy just claimed scum in this post. He needs to be lynched. Perhaps not tomorrow, since tomorrow we lynch Kurumi. But he needs to be lynched. On February 12 2012 08:47 Adam4167 wrote: This game is a quagmire and I can fully understand anyone not wanting to post into this mess. rG: I know what character you are trying to tell me you are. I can understand doing what you did if you're telling the truth, but don't you see the havoc its created in this town? was it really worth doing it to accomplish what you set out to do? Weather or not I believe you at this point is a whole different story. Lets hope the night kills clean up the thread some. are you justifying your general lurkiness this game? On February 11 2012 12:13 Adam4167 wrote: I'm aware of what he claimed, I am just having trouble reconciling some things if Kurumi did indeed not shoot. Now onto what you asked bugs: VE is scum. I look at his list of reads Here and its all worthless. He reaffirms that he still wants Sheth dead, targets OpZ for being a lurker, targets Hiro as TOMORROWS LYNCH, even with all this noise going on with rG and DrH, he wants to focus on the lurkers. His entire section on Kurumi is actually talking about WBG and not Kurumi at all, yet Kurumi makes 'his list'. I don't think he cares and he comes off as hypocritical saying that other people aren't hunting for scum. I have serious doubts about this Sheth lynch. Last nights flip turned TWO insane inmates. Two of the three 'greens' that we have flipped so far have been millers. I get the feeling that there are going to be a whole bucketload of insane inmates in this game, as there was in Arkham City. I am not disputing the check from Radfield, I really don't see any reason for scum to out themselves like that. Radfield looks disengaged from all this carnage, I wouldn't be surprised if the one true thing Palmar has said is that Radfield is 3rd party. I think Palmars claim of shooting Radfield is a load of shit, just like all of his other claims. I think rGTheSchworz has done nothing but create utter chaos where there didn't need to be. Claiming far too early, a claim I believed to be bullshit at the time, then claiming a red check on DrH then RETRACTING IT. Why would any townie do shit like this? I can understand the early claim - panic'd in his first game as blue, but to then claim a red result and then retract it? No one with the towns best interest at heart does this. Id rather see rG or VE dead before sheth. I am unvoting sheth accordingly. ##unvote: Liquid`Sheth oh nvm I see you answered my questions as well. your sandro score: 6/10. Let's start at 0/10 and work our way up, eh? Sadly, there is no possibility that you are sandro smurfing. You just lack that Brazilian sexiness. -1. Agreed on VE. +2 points. However, do you think Kurumi is scum? I actually think both are scum; I feel like VE is trying to distance from Kurumi but at the same time he "knows" Kurumi is scum so he puts him on his list anyway. Ofc this is pointless speculation until one of them flips, but I think its worth mentioning. +1 point on the Sheth lynch points. You clearly have a brain and are willing to use it, but I think some of your logic was off. If a bunch of millers flip that means it's LESS likely that more millers will flip, since a bunch were already taken out of the pool. -1 point. Ofc we know now Sheth is scum, so all of that is moot, but I thought I'd point out where you could improve here anyway. +1 on Palmar for saying he's full of shit. However, you don't comment on his alignment. Why? I want to kill Palmar. Problem? +3 on rg being scum. Apparently half of the players in this game are blind and/or playing as if their brains are being fed by the feces that is being repeatedly dumped on the thread by scum. This goes for all of those players saying "rg is super chaotic but there's no way he's anything but town." ___________________________________________________________________________ Anyone still playing this game, ask yourself these three questions: Did you, at any point past n1 believe RG was town? Do you believe lying is detrimental to town? Are you town? If you answered yes to all 3 questions, then I regret to inform you that your diagnosis is mental incapacitation due to diseased fecal implantation in the cerebrum. Also, if you answered no to q2 but yes to the others, your diagnosis is "anti-town dickwad" | ||
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On February 12 2012 11:22 layabout wrote: Whilst Tyrran has spoken some sense, nearly all of his (few) posts are about neutral topics. It would be a shame to kill town that can speak sense. But he has made next to no effort to contribute, and he has sat back and watched the chaos as he has not been under pressure At the moment he has a decent chance of flipping scum. Jaybrundage is very scummy and is an acceptable lynch for tomorrow pardon me, but you turn me on. I can't help but get an erection every time you post something. Please continue. | ||
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On February 12 2012 11:41 Toadesstern wrote: I'm just afraid schworz might flip worst DT I ever saw and I got good reason to believe so. I'm willing to lynch him later on but for now we'Ve got bigger fish in the pool and that fish is chaoser. We can still go after schworz later on. What he did does not make sense from a mafia perspectiv neither does is make sense from a town perspective. A mafia however get's coaching from his allies. So it's not mafia imo. That leaves me with either BM-townish or with third party. Just answer me this one wbg. Why should he claim DT who got a red check on docH and push for docH's lynch if he knew it to be wrong? why would he do that as town? are you thick? as scum that takes loads of pressure off his scumbuddies. If he was scum with Sheth that makes PERFECT sense. In fact, even the retraction makes sense from a scum perspective when it was obvious Sheth would not lynch. People like you are unwilling to believe he's scum now just because he's a new player and you legitimately think he could be that bad to do that as town. It makes no sense from a GOOD mafia perspective, but it certainly does from a bad one. It makes no sense at all from any kind of town perspective because it just serves to shit on town objectives. | ||
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man this should go to show how much you never should lie as town. Also screw you Kurumi :D My team went through with the planned bus instead of us pushing your lynch day 2 and then I completely forgot about the RB. I was too busy to even think about it :p but why would you shoot at scum -_- | ||
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On February 23 2012 17:05 Forumite wrote: I see you are not often around at the endgame. It´s always like this, those alive at the end are the scummy lurkers, scum have allready killed all the active ones and the obvious towns. You can´t complain about vigilante-hits if you don´t talk about it. Noone discussed scummy players during the night, and later on when I wanted tips on who to shoot during night 4, the only ones speaking about nightkills were VE and Palmar, and none of them cared about giving accurate reads. I know there were people with town-reads reads on the scummy lurkers, but they didn´t speak up, and I was definetly not going to draw attention to myself as a blue by asking about it with so many people needlessly claiming, so I had to go by my own reads. ofc you can complain about vigi hits. The only person responsible for the hit is the vig himself. If you don't have good enough reads to shoot scum then don't complain about others complaining. yes, some of the veterans (roles, not players) played horrifically, but at times they did things that should have tipped you guys off that they were town. All the mafia were actually very exposed and I don't think we did a very good job of hiding ourselves. Kudos to JayJay on a great game, and Katina for somehow living the entire time. Also to kita for being an overall baller and nailing like four of us. | ||
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On February 24 2012 00:11 rgTheSchworz wrote: gg, I did play horrible after Toad´s CC. I should´nt have lied or I should have lied much more. My reads have been bad, except for JayJay and JB, who btw, should have been lynched D3 instead of Kurumi. D3 lynch decided the game, I had no credibility whatsoever in the endgame. Should have pushed that much more for JB D3, if he had gotten lynched, we would have won. You never lie as town, and if you do lie and it's that obvious, then scum will jump all over it and get you lynched. A competent town will almost always lynch a clear liar. Most towns recently have been derping pretty damn hard though, where they leave a liar alive despite how detrimental he/she is to the town. Ex. BM in TL Mafia L, that's a good example. Ofc once it was confirmed he was a liar he died, but you get the idea. Basically the way you lied this game, I (and by extension the entire scumteam) knew you were lying. generally there's only two reasons a person lies; they're scum (so if you were 3rd party we wouldn't shoot you) or they're trying to draw hits (so we wouldn't shoot you). Since we knew that, PLUS by lying you had no clout in town why would we ever shoot you? The only people who would ever shoot you would have all been vigis. Saying you need to lie so that as scum you can lie is stupid. Neither side needs to lie, ever. I'm sad LaL isn't actually popular here, because it's the one of the few things about TL town play that is really bad. Lying is just not punished enough. | ||
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Lol. Whenever you make a claim you always have to consider its implications. Why would we shoot someone who, if left alive, basically destroys the town on his own? I personally am not scared of blues as mafia. We have methods of dealing with blues (RB, though generally I mess up by putting the RB in the wrong place) but they are there. If the standard part of town play isn't good then being a blue doesn't matter. | ||
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On February 24 2012 04:55 syllogism wrote: No, LaL is awful and it's usually really easy to tell when it's a townie lying and lying as town is actually relatively rare here, compared to something like mafiascum (lol) So you think it was good for town to leave the liars alive? Town essentially lost 48 hours of discussion because of liars. I can guarantee (judging from how we played this game) that had those players been lynched or systematically ignored the scumteam would've lost horrifically. Day 1 Sheth barely survived in part because of all the chaos. Day 2 WE led the lynch and day 3 Radfield messed up his claim. I got shot by 3rd party. Those are the only reasons mafia really died (oh and kita). Town had no ability to scumhunt because there didn't exist a proper town atmosphere. | ||
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The reason you lynch liars over simply ignoring them is that not everyone will just ignore them, and you have no idea whether or not they're even town. Since scum can do the exact same thing, lynching all the liars is just much simpler on principle. There are just too few scenarios where lying as town is good for town. | ||
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Basically my point is that if lying as town is not punished (when the vast majority of the time it is very detrimental to town) then it allows scum to get away with lying. In fact most of the time scum will be more careful about their lies, which makes it even harder sometimes to catch and punish them for it. When you have a policy like LaL, no one can lie, which actually benefits town and gimps scum. What loss do you have for town? Sometimes you lose a useless townie? That's worth it. I think you underestimate the value of a good atmosphere. Sure, you can usually tell when a townie is lying, but a lot of other people in the game will still concentrate discussion on that player. That's a very bad thing when discussion should be on scum. It gives scum openings to abuse town too. IMO the gain of LaL far outweighs the loss. Look at mafia L: when BM lied, I wanted to lynch him right then so we wouldn't waste two days of discussion. Ultimately we lynched him the following day, which was okay, but it gave him more time to mess up the thread, time we could have otherwise been using to search for his scumbuddies. Even if he was town it would have been helpful to lynch him, since then we would've cleared out a complete detriment to town. | ||
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On February 24 2012 05:13 Toadesstern wrote: why should a mafia beg to be shot my CW. Sure in at least 90% of the cases CW will think herself that that guy wants to draw a hit because he's a vet and therefore not shoot me or or DT me instead to figure out what's happening. Why should a mafia take that risk? Sure the risk to be actually shot is low but who got the balls to do that and explain his mates afterwards why he did that? Complete WIFOM Also, I actually seriously considered doing this myself because at the end of day 1 I already knew who both third parties were. That's why I checked Kurumi n1; I strongly believed he was third party (and I was right.) What I could have done is fake claim day 2 the same way you and RG did. The only reason I didn't was because my team was bussing Sheth, and it would have forced us to constantly roleblock Kurumi (or lynch Kurumi that day) I thought going into n2 that we could do it the next day but I never had time to implement it because I was busy with school and I forgot to tell my team to roleblock Kurumi. | ||
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His question basically comes down to playstyle. Sure, most conservative mafia players will never do what he said, but there are plenty out there who will do that and more. So now we're in a situation where we're dealing with circular logic about whether a player who knows what he's doing will be scrutinized by others would do A or B. Both answers are possible outcomes. | ||
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On February 24 2012 06:01 Toadesstern wrote: or we could just say that a mafia player is less likely to do that because it's either death or nothing while a townie gets either what he wanted to achieve or nothing. Depending on CW's actions. It's not "death or nothing" if you (like me) know who the catwoman is. You just roleblock CW and then claim. In the current meta, you end up looking town (and most townies are too scared to shoot you because of the claim) you have to handle the constant pressure, but it's worth it because the claim will destroy the thread discussion. For a townie it's a choice between playing normally and gambling to save someone but at the same time gimp town's scumhunting abilities. Again, personal choice. In normal games you don't even have the issue of an impenetrable shot so the possibilities for lying as scum are even better. | ||
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