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Regardless of what Toad and DocH are(I am inclined to believe their claims), both seem fairly town to me. DocH is playing his town game, and Toad seems sincere. I also like his two-face claim day 1 in an effort to draw 3rd party hits. It fits with his role. On February 11 2012 22:11 Palmar wrote: we'll find out how immortal you are tomorrow toad. I think you're scum and faking it. This is real smart Palmar...... there is no reason to discount Toad and DocH's claim, which means that the only way that Toad can die is if mafia take down Doc H. I'm also fairly certain that you don't have an unblockable shot. I wouldn't be alive otherwise... In fact, I'm not even so sure you shot me at all. My problem though is that I don't even have a real scum read on you, just a troll read. In particular your hit claim makes no sense: On February 11 2012 19:42 Palmar wrote: I'm not trolling I'm not lying. I got hit last night. Why did you not claim your hit straight off? Why wait? On February 11 2012 19:40 Palmar wrote: Already told you dude, catwoman checked sheth last night. Again, this makes no sense. If I was Batman or Catwoman, I sure as shit would not DT Sheth. One, he was on the chopping block which means he was likely to die that night or get lynched the following day. Two, there were a ton of better targets to either DT or shoot if I was trying to snipe blues or Hugo. However, if you guys want to stick with the theory of me being the Bat or the Cat, I suppose that's alright. It gives me a certain amount of protection from mafia. That being said, medics should probably be going between me or DocH tonight. I somehow doubt that mafia buy Palmar's unblockable hit story, especially if mafia were actually the ones that shot me. At the very least, I think the doc that protected me should visit me again and the rest should bounce between us. Thoughts? On February 11 2012 23:15 Toadesstern wrote: I'd say radfield did not think I'm the joker and thought DocH is the joker because he apparently claimed that in that gay-phone-session. I actually thought Chaoser was the Joker for a bit. I didn't consider DocH faking the post. Due to that I was letting Chaoser slide more than I should have. On February 11 2012 22:39 Toadesstern wrote: my list still stands: Chaoser Sheth <--- dead forumite risk.nuke opz layabout hiro Lynch these people unless you got a good damn reason not to. I like this list, though I would add Evantrees and maybe Kurumi(who has started trolling now?), and drop layabout. Layabout doesn't seem like scum to me this game. Once again I'm gone this evening, and should be back just before the Daypost. If you really want to be productive, I highly suggest to stop posting and instead going back and rereading the second half of day 1 with the knowledge that Sheth is scum. That was a Day 1 swing towns dream about, but I just don't have the time right now to go back and read it(I haven't even read the phone QT for days). I will get to it eventually, but in the meantime it is the single most important part of this thread. | ||
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On February 12 2012 00:19 chaoser wrote: Also, it's pretty clear from my perspective that Palmar is batman. He's trolling too hard to be town and he's not mafia given his hard Sheth push Day 1. Look at his play in this game and his play as Gollum in LOTR, especially on the last day just before he was going to get the Ring. Troll heavy in both of them. Palmar is not Batman, because then I would be dead. Conversely he lied about hitting me, but that doesn't really make sense from a Batman perspective. You're also assuming that Palmar is a straightforward player who follows his meta, which is patently untrue. Who do you think is scum Chaoser? Who is at the top of your list? I'll admit I've been skim reading, but by this point I feel like I should know who you think is scum and who you think is town, yet I don't have a good picture of your thoughts. Enlighten me. | ||
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On February 12 2012 22:01 rgTheSchworz wrote: Wait, if I announce the result, what does town gain? Tell me and I will do it. Right now, no one will believe me. Either I die, which seems not to be the case atm, or you will have them. Its preetty obvious if I strongly oppose a lynch. And there are certain night-flips that can confirm my role. Theoretically town gains not lynching Chaoser today, which is what we should be doing. However I have no faith that you are actually a dt, so I see no need to listen to your check. You flipping scum is very much within the realm of possibility, but Bugs doesn't tend to bus when he is scum, which gives you some manner of credibility. I'm not really sure where I stand with you, but I'm ok giving you more time, particularly if your role can actually be confirmed at night. What were your reasons for checking Chaoser? On February 12 2012 19:30 rgTheSchworz wrote: The problem with what you re saying: Mafia had a clear RB target n1, that was me. I had not lied by that point. So, if no one claims being RB n1, his claim and actions still stand as believable. That´s why I would be reluctant to lynch him. Today we lynch JayJay or Jaybrundage, with a preference for the latter. Seriously, how is he not scum? JayJay has not been useful this game, I still believe he was fishing, and he fits the scum profile of having lurked while the conflict between me/Toad/Doc/Palmar/Chaoser was going on. Chaoser also has been moderately scummy, but his actions can somewhat be explained by him being town. Jayjay seems quite town to me this game. He's active and his contributions seem sincere, not to mention we have a slew of better targets today. I think you are just hung up on the whole Toad/JJ/DocH thing. On February 12 2012 20:11 rgTheSchworz wrote: I am Two-Face. I gave enough clues already. DO not LYNCH BATMAN. He´s helping us Atm. Wait for his check. He can t claim RB. Palmar claimed it. If Rad claims RB, then he is Batman. Else Palmar is Batman. How does this logic make sense? On February 12 2012 22:07 Kurumi wrote: I have a question: Was there someone protected by a medic through entire game? I was medic protected on Night 1. Kurumi, do you have an unblockable shot? As far as I can tell, you're basically claiming third party by claiming the Bugs hit. Unless another Vig decided to shoot him last night, that's the only conclusion I can draw. Today we lynch Evantrees. With Bugs flipping it's apparent that scum were on the CC lynch pretty hard. Opz and Bugs are dead, which leaves Evantrees, Chaoser, Tyran and BM as likely candidates. I'm fine giving Chaoser a pass in the off chance Schworz can confim his role. However if that fails to happen, both of them likely need to die. If Kurumi is third party he can kill BM for us tonight. ##Vote Evantrees | ||
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On February 12 2012 22:56 rgTheSchworz wrote: I´m not releasing the results of the checks till my role can be confirmed at night. No one will believe me anyway, and scum will be hopping on my wagon along with everyone. This way, scum at least have something to figure out. That makes no sense. You make no sense this game, and you are making things up. You already CLAIMED YOUR ROLE. Withholding the results of your checks make ZERO sense unless you are afraid you are wrong. ##vote Schworz | ||
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##unvote ##vote: evantrees | ||
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On February 13 2012 04:48 rgTheSchworz wrote: We need 2 DT s to check them because of roleblock. Rad, up for checking Layabout? I dont think that you re fakeclaiming. Not at all. But I want to confirm BM. He s been confusing this game. Meanwhile, let s lynch Jaybrundage. This is a decent play, though mafia can roleblock 1 and kill the other, which is a problem. Mafia is apparently not afraid of double/triple stacking, so the odds of one of us making it through with a check is not great. Particularly if both are scum, they will stack + roleblock, but that is kind of an answer anyways. I see no real reason to lynch Jaybrundage right now. Nothing sets him apart from the other lurkers, and he wasn't on the cheese lynch. Granted there are likely several scum who didn't vote CC/ or Sheth, but it makes sense to clean up the scummies on the CC list before moving on. Lynch Evantrees, shoot Tyran or ico/rayzor tonight. There's been enough crap flying this game that I doubt mafia have been getting very involved. So far it seems like the majority of the drama is town on town, and mafia lurking hard seems pretty likely. | ||
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On February 13 2012 17:31 Palmar wrote: ok let's do this: I'm a Detective. My role name is Calendar Man I checked Radfield last night, he's: Talia al Ghul Hi Palmar. I think I'm finally starting to figure out whats going on  At first I assumed you could not be Batman, because if you were Batman, I would be dead. I cannot stop an unblockable shot, and neither can any medics. Therefore, despite the fact that your play this game lines up with your third party play to a tee, I had assumed you were just adding an extra dash of troll to your play. It's apparent now though that you did not actually shoot me, which was my gut reaction at the time. Shooting me Night 1 is dumb, and you are not dumb. It's also possible that you are scum and shot me, and if so you have played an extremely ballsy game as scum(However then you would not know my role, which you obviously do). At this point though I am almost positive you are third party, which explains your play this game. You have been pushing me since Day 1(either as scum or 3rd party), but never as town, despite the fact that I am a basically confirmed-town dt(who has soaked a hit, and flipped a red), which makes a lot of sense from a third party perspective. Ideal scenario for you is that the sensible strong townies get pushed out early, leaving you free to bully the town around. I am Calendar Man, and you are the Bat or the Cat. Me bussing Sheth for no reason on Day 1 makes no sense, and calling him out on a red check makes no sense, particularly when he was pretty much out of the fire until I posted my check. I assume you rolechecked me N1, which makes sense if you are Batman given that if I was mafia, there is a good chance I would be the GF(Hugo Strange). Again, Palmar being scum doesn't really fit because mafia wouldn't have both shot me and rolechecked me. It's possible he just lucked out(it was obvious I am Calendar Man or Azreal), in which case you might be scum. On February 13 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote: Whatever. You say you have a red check, we´ll know soon. ##vote Radfield Hi scum. You seem awfully eager to vote off the confirmed non-scum detective. I readily admit my play has been a bit lackluster this game, which is due to both lack of time and getting a detective role, not to mention gettng both my dt checks correct. However despite that, my play has certainly not been scummy by any stretch, yet you are ready to vote hand in hand with Palmar's claim that he checked me? That is Bull. We lynch Palmar today. He is almost certainly 3rd party or scum, though probably 3rd party. Normally you do not lynch 3rd party, but here we have an exception. If Palmar is Catwoman, he is certainly shooting into town. If Palmar is Batman, he is certainly shooting Toad tonight. Either way eliminating Palmar eliminates 1 anti-town KP. If he is scum it's even better. Someone make me an argument why we should keep Palmar alive today? | ||
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On February 13 2012 22:06 risk.nuke wrote: Why are we lynching eventress? Lynch one of these guys jayjay forumite radfield tunkeg I'm glad you put the 1 token scum on your list. You, Forumite, and evantrees all need to be killed. | ||
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On February 13 2012 22:44 risk.nuke wrote: Because lynching scum is more important then lynching third party. Both for information gain and who gives a crap about third party. And it is very possible that Palmar is scum, and very likely that you are too. Normally third party swing both ways, and kill off scum or town. However this game, particularly right now, that is not the case. He is scum or third, which means either way we win. Do you honestly think there is a possibility Palmar will flip town? I am off to work, but will be on tonight. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:09 Kurumi wrote: We went to lynch Radfield because everything he has done so far together with info we have is too convienient. -Can't die from Batman, but he had claimed DT already -Wasn't RB-ed after claiming DT and bringing Town one scum, what? -Wasn't killed after claiming DT and bringing Town one scum, what? -Claims to have checked wbg. Convienent, given he's dead. So, what's Your opinion? I assume these are actually the reasons I am getting lynched? If anyone has any to add, please do.... For some reason, you guys have decided to take Palmars word that he shot me as gospel. I already addressed this, but will do so again. Palmar did not shoot me night 1, scum shot me night 1. I can guarantee this, because I am still alive. Notice that Palmar didn't actually claim shooting until A) after I had claimed the hit, and B) after I had claimed my check. I love the short term memory in effect. The going theory on Night 2 was that I was Batman(maybe Catwoman) a theory put there by Palmar lying about his unblockable hit. Obviously mafia aren't going to shoot Bat/Cat, and there was no way they were going to roleblock either, considering Catwoman would shoot into Town, and Batman would shoot at the Joker(who was revealed). Yes, I checked WBG, and as I said I was going to check Opz, but that wouldn't have helped either. I can't help that you shot him Kurumi. I also cannot help that I am 2 for 2 on mafia checks. There is a very very good reason Palmar is trying to push my lynch. Town is storming right now, and we have a ton of good targets, and a bunch of KP. Palmar has two nights MAX to figure out Hugo and shoot Toad, because we are rolling. Killing me buys him at least one more day, but probably several. When I flip DT are you guys voting me going to bother lynching Palmar??? Of course your not, you're paranoid about lynching 3rd party, WHEN SOMETIMES THERE ARE EXCELLENT REASONS TO LYNCH THIRD PARTY. Scum are absolutely coming out of the woodworks right now, despite the fact that there is no tenable case on me. Anyone voting me is selectively believing Palmars lies, which is either baffling or scummy. On February 14 2012 00:10 Tunkeg wrote: Palmar is finally making sense. I think you are right Palmar. I think Radfield is scum. Scumteam decided to bus Sheth for towncred on Radfield. Then Radfield "checks" WBG, oh, how convinient. And his last move is claiming the Calender Man (same as Palmar said he was).He have played a bold scumgame, but he have done it in the safest possible manner. Sheth as a DT read, very safe way to get towncred for bussing a teammate that were allready somewhat in trouble. It probably were Sheth himself that proposed it... WBG as a DT read after he died. "Proving" that he is a good DT checking the right players, and that he needs to be kept alive, while not having to tell someone a wrong read. Claiming Calender Man, same as Palmar, knowing he had to claim, and that only Azrael and Calander Man was unclaimed it was a easy choice. because everyone knows Palmar is Batman, and because there is no need for the real Calander Man to come forth and claim when it allready is a contested claim. ##Vote Radfield Again, selective memory. Sheth was not on the table for a Day 2 lynch. If he was I never would have claimed my check, I would have just pushed him and seen who came out to defend him. The reason I claimed early is because Day 2 was a clusterfuck. RG was claiming some kind of false dt check, a claim which both Toad and DocH could soundly refute. RG however did not look like scum, yet things were building his way. Claiming my check was the ONLY thing that put heat back on Sheth. I don't need to "prove" I am a good DT by stating I checked bugs. I already found Sheth with my first check, which is wayyyy more town cred than any dt should need. Yes, I claimed my role. If I had claimed Azreal would you think I was town? Of course not. There is no other Calendar Man. It was not a lucky guess by me, and Palmar claiming it certainly does not make it easier for me if I was fake-claiming. There is also no contested claim, as Palmar is not ACTUALLY claiming Calendar Man. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:07 Toadesstern wrote: Why should batman suggest to lynch a blue DT? What's the point in lynching a DT? It's 15-5 if we lynch a blue DT tonight it's going to be 14-5 and that will make it something like 10-4 (assuming we vig a mafia and Batman straight up shoots me) and mafia still has 3 KP. You think Batman wants that to happen when he still needs to find a mafia? I don't know what Palmar wants but I know he has been bullshitting all game. This game is a hell of a lot closer than you think it is. At some point we need to lynch Palmar to limit his KP. I know this, and so do other players in this game. We are all over scum, with vote-lists, dt checks and vig shots, and they cannot block them all. It is obvious that sooner rather than later we will lynch Palmar, simply to slow down the end game. I'm beginning to think that Palmar did not even rolecheck me night 1, and simply bullshit guessed my role. It was a 50/50 chance after all. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:13 Palmar wrote: This is incredibly simple. I did most certainly shoot Radfield night 1. And even if you don't believe that, he claimed taking a hit night 1. So this means he must've been protected. This medic should claim now. If no medic claims, Radfield dies. If a medic claims, well, go ahead and lynch me, just remember me when you lynch Radfield and his medic scumbuddy. Now first off, I'm not batman, so can you please stop that nonsense. Second, batman can just shoot toad tonight, and if town is on such a roll, he can just join the ride until the godfather is dead. Easy. If you're reading this batman, I think that's actually what you should do. This is dumb, all that does is get our medic outted and killed. There is no way we are lynching me today. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:19 Palmar wrote: You're at 8 votes because 8 sensible people have understood you must be killed today, because you are scum. You should start deciding now which of your scumbuddies is going to take the fall with you. In what way is it sensible to lynch the dt who found scum? You're basically stating I started bussing Sheth almost immediately on Day 1, then decided to fake-claim a check on him when he was not even remotely close to getting lynched. Very sensible. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:10 RayzorFlash wrote: Rad, who do you think is scum and should be lynched?? On February 14 2012 05:24 Tunkeg wrote: It doesn't look like a Palmar lynch is happening today. So who do you propose we lynch instead then? My opinion of evantrees has not changed, nor of Tyran. Both voted CC on Day 1, and neither have been useful this game. On second thought I think Forumite looks scummy, but I don't think he is scum. Scum wouldn't buy Palmars obvious false check like that, they would be far more cautious. risk seems absurdly different this game from his typical town play, and I would not be surprised if he flipped scum. His one saving grace is that he voted Sheth Day 1, which gives him some amount of towncred. Same thing can be said for VE. Kita is willing to vote me today, which in and of itself is almost enough to lynch him. He is a sensible player, and should know that lynching your DT is not particularly sound town play. His play has tickled my scumdar from the start, and still is. He voted ico on Day 1, about an hour before the deadline, in what was essentially a throw-away vote. The vote was between Sheth and CC, yet he chose neither. ico/rayzorflash is also very lynchable, though probably not today. Evantrees, Tyran or Kita. At least two out of three are scum I would guess. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:43 Forumite wrote: Radfield, what do you think about jaybrundage? Very lynchable. From what I can tell he didn't actually vote Day 1, which I think is why he has been off my radar. Also, it turns out I misread. Kita was not trying to get me lynched. I'm not sure why I thought that. | ||
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Kitaman Wrote: The notion that Radfield is a town detective is pretty funny. The scum team decides to leave Radfield, the town detective, alive and unblocked? lolol He won't give his name until he is sure nobody else will claim it? lolol His check just happens to be on the guy that died? lolol He just happens to take a mysterious hit and survive by medic protection? lolol He roleclaims after one check, making him useless for the rest of the game? lolol Third party or scum, I don't trust him. Consider his motivations. Palmar is obviously being extremely anti-town as well. What happened Kita, got cold feet? From what I can see there you should be dead set on lynching me, yet now you are pushing to keep me alive. Care to explain? | ||
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