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On February 11 2012 20:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, I don't believe OpZ claimed Penguin. Did someone claim Penguin? If that happened I didn't read it. OpZ has been worthless in this game but he's probably got a similar role to me. I'm not good at picking up on other players breadcrumbs.
I can't die to Batman naturally. I can die to scum/vig which is why I need the medic.
oh then I misunderstood. you said something about roleplaying penguin.
breadcrumbing may be find under opz filter searching for "penguin". he doesn't stop talking about him.
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Oh well, I had another target and now DocH is attacking me.
Changing plans.
Who do I want dead? The Coward, The Nutcracker, The Schizophreniac... Nah, I'll go with The Wet Blanket.
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Nah, I'll go with The Coward.
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On February 11 2012 20:40 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 20:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Don't know. It's obvious enough now that I was "hired" by Joker, so I assumed Toadesstern is Joker and that Palmar took the fake claim so that Toades wouldn't have to. Because Toades didn't call him out, I didn't push him to get lynched. I briefly considered hte possibility that they're both playing me and that the real Joker is too afraid to CC but I doubt it. One of them is the Joker.
If I survive the night the Joker can't die. I also can't be killed by Batman or Catwoman, just scum/vig. A scum/vig hit will take me out and open up the possibility of the Joker dying. That's why I need medics. I think it's pretty clear from Toades' posts regarding the issue, his claims of invulnerability, etc. that he is the real joker. I just don't understand the point of Palmar's lie, it's easy enough to keep Toades alive knowing this. Medics just need to keep me up. nice. now everything is spilled out. If scum didn't know, they know now. Might as well wrap it up for everyone. Toad was asked at one point if he "hired" someone by doc. This word apparently is in both PMs, looking at the way toad reacted. In the game Joker "hires" the past-actor clayface to carry out his jobs and to protect him. Same constellation for penguin (btw: doc, you said in your case that opz claimed penguin? was that in the qt? he sure talks about him a lot) and solomon (please don't claim). Knowing the lore, it was quite obvious that Toad is joker. Let's see if I would have lost the bet. Unfortunately, medics don't do shit against batman, doc. I can't believed, you let yourselves lead into so much brabbeling. also, rG, I am still waiting, I know you read this.
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wtf are you doing DocH. Yes I am the joker, yes I claimed Two-Face. I figured batman would not think I am joker after that n1 claim because he must have thought my immortality claim was a lie and therefore joker would never claim Two-Face because he'd simply die to Catwoman.
That's all there was to it. Well and if CW shot me I would not care at all because again, except for the name (Two-Face) nothing I said was a lie. Jackal even figured it out or posted the important line while calling bullshit on me.
Also Schworz knows about my role. He asked me several things that are related to my role like "DocH, Toad is tricking you because he knows the pms. Toad just answer me this one: Do you know anything about Harley Quinn?".
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On February 11 2012 20:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 20:40 Toadesstern wrote:
at this point in time I'd say it's either Rad being batman or Palmar. I seriously doubt someone else will flip batman.
Yes Palmar is lying all the time but I don't know for sure what's a lie and what's not but I'm pretty sure I got a good guess of the 2 possible scenarios.
Also if you read palmars filter batman makes a whole lot of sense. He accused rad to be batman all the time, claimes joker himself which is obviously a lie after he claimed two-face and told me my two-face claim was retarded in the first place. So him being a vet trying to do the same thing everyone accused me to do n1 would be way to stupid for palmar.
I'd say it's 60% that palmar is going to flip batman and 40% that rad is going to flip batman right now.
Both make sense from a set-ups perspective because I simply doubt that BC would give such a role to someone who's having his first, second or third game. Remember 3rd party have to find specific roles, that's very hard to do and no hard feelings when I say that but I don't think BC would ask of so much from people like Schworz, which is one of the reasons I retracted my view on Schworz. Both rad and palmar are vet's and I'd say BC did a list of players he knows are capable of at least playing decent or good and rolled the dice within that circle.
Given what I just said we either got Batman in palmar who has no restrains or whatsoever and is just trolling because he's immortal as well as long as he's not lynched which would lead to Rad actually being blue.
Or we've got Rad as Batman and Palmar as a blue role who is still stubbornly trying to pull off what he wants to do as a townie for the third time in a row.
I think both explanations are reasonable, I myself prefer the Palmar = batman one but who knows. Either way we're not going to lynch Palmar nor Radfield. Batman is no problem and I don't like the idea of hitting an important blue PR in roughly 50% of the cases.
Also Palmar makes it look like he knows what's going on. I doubt that. You're scum. I'm shooting you tonight.
Toades is the Joker, don't be stupid.
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Like I planned during the Day.
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On February 11 2012 20:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 20:46 Palmar wrote:On February 11 2012 20:40 Toadesstern wrote:
at this point in time I'd say it's either Rad being batman or Palmar. I seriously doubt someone else will flip batman.
Yes Palmar is lying all the time but I don't know for sure what's a lie and what's not but I'm pretty sure I got a good guess of the 2 possible scenarios.
Also if you read palmars filter batman makes a whole lot of sense. He accused rad to be batman all the time, claimes joker himself which is obviously a lie after he claimed two-face and told me my two-face claim was retarded in the first place. So him being a vet trying to do the same thing everyone accused me to do n1 would be way to stupid for palmar.
I'd say it's 60% that palmar is going to flip batman and 40% that rad is going to flip batman right now.
Both make sense from a set-ups perspective because I simply doubt that BC would give such a role to someone who's having his first, second or third game. Remember 3rd party have to find specific roles, that's very hard to do and no hard feelings when I say that but I don't think BC would ask of so much from people like Schworz, which is one of the reasons I retracted my view on Schworz. Both rad and palmar are vet's and I'd say BC did a list of players he knows are capable of at least playing decent or good and rolled the dice within that circle.
Given what I just said we either got Batman in palmar who has no restrains or whatsoever and is just trolling because he's immortal as well as long as he's not lynched which would lead to Rad actually being blue.
Or we've got Rad as Batman and Palmar as a blue role who is still stubbornly trying to pull off what he wants to do as a townie for the third time in a row.
I think both explanations are reasonable, I myself prefer the Palmar = batman one but who knows. Either way we're not going to lynch Palmar nor Radfield. Batman is no problem and I don't like the idea of hitting an important blue PR in roughly 50% of the cases.
Also Palmar makes it look like he knows what's going on. I doubt that. You're scum. I'm shooting you tonight. Toades is the Joker, don't be stupid.
No, I think he's scum and I'm shooting him tonight.
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We're both invincible as long as scum or town doesn't kill me so don't worry. At least Palmar's excessive lying is exposed. If medics drop the ball and I die tonight at least I demonstrated Palmar can never ever be trusted in this game.
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Palmar You're trying to draw hits off Toad.
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on the topic who is batman.
I don't see any good reason for batman to claim dt.
He will draw scum RB (I assume it is possible?) which he absolutely doesn't want whatsoever.
=> Radfield isn't third. Palmar most likely is.
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On February 11 2012 20:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 20:46 Palmar wrote:On February 11 2012 20:40 Toadesstern wrote:
at this point in time I'd say it's either Rad being batman or Palmar. I seriously doubt someone else will flip batman.
Yes Palmar is lying all the time but I don't know for sure what's a lie and what's not but I'm pretty sure I got a good guess of the 2 possible scenarios.
Also if you read palmars filter batman makes a whole lot of sense. He accused rad to be batman all the time, claimes joker himself which is obviously a lie after he claimed two-face and told me my two-face claim was retarded in the first place. So him being a vet trying to do the same thing everyone accused me to do n1 would be way to stupid for palmar.
I'd say it's 60% that palmar is going to flip batman and 40% that rad is going to flip batman right now.
Both make sense from a set-ups perspective because I simply doubt that BC would give such a role to someone who's having his first, second or third game. Remember 3rd party have to find specific roles, that's very hard to do and no hard feelings when I say that but I don't think BC would ask of so much from people like Schworz, which is one of the reasons I retracted my view on Schworz. Both rad and palmar are vet's and I'd say BC did a list of players he knows are capable of at least playing decent or good and rolled the dice within that circle.
Given what I just said we either got Batman in palmar who has no restrains or whatsoever and is just trolling because he's immortal as well as long as he's not lynched which would lead to Rad actually being blue.
Or we've got Rad as Batman and Palmar as a blue role who is still stubbornly trying to pull off what he wants to do as a townie for the third time in a row.
I think both explanations are reasonable, I myself prefer the Palmar = batman one but who knows. Either way we're not going to lynch Palmar nor Radfield. Batman is no problem and I don't like the idea of hitting an important blue PR in roughly 50% of the cases.
Also Palmar makes it look like he knows what's going on. I doubt that. You're scum. I'm shooting you tonight. Toades is the Joker, don't be stupid.
he did that on purpose because he knows I'm the joker and I really am immortal. He wanted to make me look like scum so I don't get shot or whatever. idk. Also since I am the joker palmar obviously is not the joker. Which either leaves us with another VIG or with him being Batman, which makes a whole lot of sense given Palmar was so freaked out when Rad announced a shot.
Remember,{b] Palmar claimed he shot Radfield[/b] and was SERIOUSLY asking wtf is going on because he thought rad should be dead by now. It's not THAT unlikely that a medic protects rad n1, is it? So Palmar really is a vig with unblockable hits or batman.
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He could be lying about the shot. Radfield actually didn't specify if it was by medic or not.
They could both be third party.
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DocH, are you SURE Batman can´t kill you, and that Batman can´t touch the Joker while you are alive? Because otherwise he is going to kill off 2 Townies and 1 Scum, which is a different situation than Palmar said earlier about Radfield.
If you are 100% sure that you and the Joker are safe from batman, then that´s a different story, and making a deal with Batman might even work, while you live at least.
Right now I´m leaning Palmar as Batman, because his play doesn´t feel like his normal Townplay, and he´s the one who convinced Town to work with Batman in the first place.
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On February 11 2012 20:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He could be lying about the shot. Radfield actually didn't specify if it was by medic or not.
They could both be third party.
no. If I was batman, there is no way I'd claim DT and risk being RBed all fucking game long. Batman isn't fun if he is RBed
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Batman can't claim.
But I'm invulnerable to third party, Joker is immune to everything. The idea is that I shapeshift into Joker. If Batman hits me he will realize I'm not the real joker and his hit won't go through. I don't think Batman is informed of this, there might be more roles that have temporary or permanent protections against third party as well.
As long as I am alive, Joker cannot die to ANYTHING sans lynch. He is invincible. However, if the real Joker is killed I no longer shapeshift and thus can not survive a Batman hit unless I still have my second night life. I hope that makes sense. I also return "Joker" to all DT checks as long as I'm shape shifted. Things are really tricky for Batman in this game, I'm not sure I love the balance.
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Assuming he can be RB ed.
JayJay, I can be town:
The real 2-face,
OR poison Ivy,
Or a random Vet/VT.
Read the thread closely
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DocH is clayface. Batman can't penetrate Clayface = I am safe for tonight.
Also I'd be willing to help batman if he's not shooting Clayface. I never asked about this, idk if it takes 2 hits for batman to kill Clayface or if he's just not able to kill Clayface at all. If he wants to get to me he has to get through Clayface first.
I don't want townies to get killed so let's kill hugo first kk?
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Cute planning right there...
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On February 11 2012 20:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Batman can't claim.
But I'm invulnerable to third party, Joker is immune to everything. The idea is that I shapeshift into Joker. If Batman hits me he will realize I'm not the real joker and his hit won't go through. I don't think Batman is informed of this, there might be more roles that have temporary or permanent protections against third party as well.
As long as I am alive, Joker cannot die to ANYTHING sans lynch. He is invincible. However, if the real Joker is killed I no longer shapeshift and thus can not survive a Batman hit unless I still have my second night life. I hope that makes sense. I also return "Joker" to all DT checks as long as I'm shape shifted. Things are really tricky for Batman in this game, I'm not sure I love the balance.
LOL I did not know that about the DT. That's another important piece of the puzzle. Schworz why are you accusing joker to be mafia?
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On February 11 2012 20:55 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 20:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He could be lying about the shot. Radfield actually didn't specify if it was by medic or not.
They could both be third party. no. If I was batman, there is no way I'd claim DT and risk being RBed all fucking game long. Batman isn't fun if he is RBed
If Palmar is batman and shot Radfield he's dead unless he's a vet meaning he isn't a DT. Unless I'm wrong and those roles (solomon grundy, etc...) survive in either form (vet/dt vet/vig, etc.) I'm not even sure there is a role that gets a choice between vet/dt.
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