EPTOn February 11 2012 20:07 Forumite wrote:
If you were hit last night, why are you not dead?
If you were hit last night, why are you not dead?
Because as long as clayface lives he takes all hits for the joker.
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Because as long as clayface lives he takes all hits for the joker. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:23 Palmar wrote: Because as long as clayface lives he takes all hits for the joker. This is not true. | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
I have been hit. Lynch me if I lie on this one. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Sounds like a counterclaim. Either DocH is lying about being clayface, or Palmar is lying about being Joker. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:23 Palmar wrote: Because as long as clayface lives he takes all hits for the joker. this sentence is not really smart | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's close but it isn't exact. Not following, does this mean Palmar is still the Joker, or lying? I haven´t heard anyone else mention veterans taking hits for vigis, so doesn´t sound like something he heard from someone else. | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
Does Palmar Die this night? | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
DocH got an even bigger target on himself, especially if they are right now confirming eachother. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
If I survive the night the Joker can't die. I also can't be killed by Batman or Catwoman, just scum/vig. A scum/vig hit will take me out and open up the possibility of the Joker dying. That's why I need medics. I think it's pretty clear from Toades' posts regarding the issue, his claims of invulnerability, etc. that he is the real joker. I just don't understand the point of Palmar's lie, it's easy enough to keep Toades alive knowing this. Medics just need to keep me up. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:30 rgTheSchworz wrote: Dr, answer me this: Does Palmar Die this night? Don't know if he will. Vigilantes shouldn't shoot him. The only reason I believe Palmar to be town is that he pushed Sheth a bit too hard day 1 and Toades, who I assume to be the real joker, never seemed to have a problem with Palmars claim. To make things more confusing for the potential Batman, in addition to being Clayface, I am also the Joker. Invulnerable to Batman. From what I understand nothing can kill the actual Joker as long as I'm alive. It could be Palmar, it could be Toades, it could be someone afraid to CC. Since I can't die by third party I just need a medic to keep me alive so that scum doesn't hit me and Batman is basically forced to just go off and look for Hugo instead. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Don't know if he will. Vigilantes shouldn't shoot him. The only reason I believe Palmar to be town is that he pushed Sheth a bit too hard day 1 and Toades, who I assume to be the real joker, never seemed to have a problem with Palmars claim. To make things more confusing for the potential Batman, in addition to being Clayface, I am also the Joker. Invulnerable to Batman. From what I understand nothing can kill the actual Joker as long as I'm alive. It could be Palmar, it could be Toades, it could be someone afraid to CC. Since I can't die by third party I just need a medic to keep me alive so that scum doesn't hit me and Batman is basically forced to just go off and look for Hugo instead. This is much better than the crazy plan Palmar put together to direct Radfield. How shall we direct medics to protect you? I think naming 3 medic roles, and hoping at least 2 of them are in the game, and at least one of them agree, is the best way. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Yes Palmar is lying all the time but I don't know for sure what's a lie and what's not but I'm pretty sure I got a good guess of the 2 possible scenarios. Also if you read palmars filter batman makes a whole lot of sense. He accused rad to be batman all the time, claimes joker himself which is obviously a lie after he claimed two-face and told me my two-face claim was retarded in the first place. So him being a vet trying to do the same thing everyone accused me to do n1 would be way to stupid for palmar. I'd say it's 60% that palmar is going to flip batman and 40% that rad is going to flip batman right now. Both make sense from a set-ups perspective because I simply doubt that BC would give such a role to someone who's having his first, second or third game. Remember 3rd party have to find specific roles, that's very hard to do and no hard feelings when I say that but I don't think BC would ask of so much from people like Schworz, which is one of the reasons I retracted my view on Schworz. Both rad and palmar are vet's and I'd say BC did a list of players he knows are capable of at least playing decent or good and rolled the dice within that circle. Given what I just said we either got Batman in palmar who has no restrains or whatsoever and is just trolling because he's immortal as well as long as he's not lynched which would lead to Rad actually being blue. Or we've got Rad as Batman and Palmar as a blue role who is still stubbornly trying to pull off what he wants to do as a townie for the third time in a row. I think both explanations are reasonable, I myself prefer the Palmar = batman one but who knows. Either way we're not going to lynch Palmar nor Radfield. Batman is no problem and I don't like the idea of hitting an important blue PR in roughly 50% of the cases. Also Palmar makes it look like he knows what's going on. I doubt that. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Don't know. It's obvious enough now that I was "hired" by Joker, so I assumed Toadesstern is Joker and that Palmar took the fake claim so that Toades wouldn't have to. Because Toades didn't call him out, I didn't push him to get lynched. I briefly considered hte possibility that they're both playing me and that the real Joker is too afraid to CC but I doubt it. One of them is the Joker. If I survive the night the Joker can't die. I also can't be killed by Batman or Catwoman, just scum/vig. A scum/vig hit will take me out and open up the possibility of the Joker dying. That's why I need medics. I think it's pretty clear from Toades' posts regarding the issue, his claims of invulnerability, etc. that he is the real joker. I just don't understand the point of Palmar's lie, it's easy enough to keep Toades alive knowing this. Medics just need to keep me up. nice. now everything is spilled out. If scum didn't know, they know now. Might as well wrap it up for everyone. Toad was asked at one point if he "hired" someone by doc. This word apparently is in both PMs, looking at the way toad reacted. In the game Joker "hires" the past-actor clayface to carry out his jobs and to protect him. Same constellation for penguin (btw: doc, you said in your case that opz claimed penguin? was that in the qt? he sure talks about him a lot) and solomon (please don't claim). Knowing the lore, it was quite obvious that Toad is joker. Let's see if I would have lost the bet. Unfortunately, medics don't do shit against batman, doc. I can't believed, you let yourselves lead into so much brabbeling. also, rG, I am still waiting, I know you read this. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Don't know if he will. Vigilantes shouldn't shoot him. The only reason I believe Palmar to be town is that he pushed Sheth a bit too hard day 1 and Toades, who I assume to be the real joker, never seemed to have a problem with Palmars claim. To make things more confusing for the potential Batman, in addition to being Clayface, I am also the Joker. Invulnerable to Batman. From what I understand nothing can kill the actual Joker as long as I'm alive. It could be Palmar, it could be Toades, it could be someone afraid to CC. Since I can't die by third party I just need a medic to keep me alive so that scum doesn't hit me and Batman is basically forced to just go off and look for Hugo instead. you can't die to third party? wow, that's handy. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I can't die to Batman naturally. I can die to scum/vig which is why I need the medic. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:42 Jayjay54 wrote: you can't die to third party? wow, that's handy. Seems to me like this game was designed for Joker and possibly Two-face/Penguin to survive for a while. Batman/CW are really powerful so it's only natural there would be checks like this against them. I could have claimed Joker to draw a Batman bullet but I'd just get sniped by mafia within 2 nights, he'd realize he can't kill me and start DTing, and the real Joker might CC and then end up with me getting lynched. that would force me to claim my real role and undo the original plan. That's why I toyed around with claiming/acting as the joker in the phone network day 1 | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:40 Toadesstern wrote: at this point in time I'd say it's either Rad being batman or Palmar. I seriously doubt someone else will flip batman. Yes Palmar is lying all the time but I don't know for sure what's a lie and what's not but I'm pretty sure I got a good guess of the 2 possible scenarios. Also if you read palmars filter batman makes a whole lot of sense. He accused rad to be batman all the time, claimes joker himself which is obviously a lie after he claimed two-face and told me my two-face claim was retarded in the first place. So him being a vet trying to do the same thing everyone accused me to do n1 would be way to stupid for palmar. I'd say it's 60% that palmar is going to flip batman and 40% that rad is going to flip batman right now. Both make sense from a set-ups perspective because I simply doubt that BC would give such a role to someone who's having his first, second or third game. Remember 3rd party have to find specific roles, that's very hard to do and no hard feelings when I say that but I don't think BC would ask of so much from people like Schworz, which is one of the reasons I retracted my view on Schworz. Both rad and palmar are vet's and I'd say BC did a list of players he knows are capable of at least playing decent or good and rolled the dice within that circle. Given what I just said we either got Batman in palmar who has no restrains or whatsoever and is just trolling because he's immortal as well as long as he's not lynched which would lead to Rad actually being blue. Or we've got Rad as Batman and Palmar as a blue role who is still stubbornly trying to pull off what he wants to do as a townie for the third time in a row. I think both explanations are reasonable, I myself prefer the Palmar = batman one but who knows. Either way we're not going to lynch Palmar nor Radfield. Batman is no problem and I don't like the idea of hitting an important blue PR in roughly 50% of the cases. Also Palmar makes it look like he knows what's going on. I doubt that. You're scum. I'm shooting you tonight. | ||
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