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On January 17 2012 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Red I'm literally going to vote you off on Policy regardless of my alignment if half of your posts are going to be reaction gifs and pictures. Post using words, not ironic humor please. Pictures tell nothing of your alignment and only serve to clutter up the thread. I find his images a much greater contribution to the thread than the standard VE post. | ||
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As some people may have noticed I've been really busy lately, so the only reason I actually decided to play a game (I meant to not sign up for anything after L (also originally a PM game) really, until my schedule clears up), is the fact I thought I could just chill around in IRC/Skype and kinda play the game in the background. So with no PMs in the game, it's basically just another game. I have no problem with seeing that the majority of players don't like PMs so I'm perfectly okay with you changing it. It does however mean that I'm /out Again, I'm sorry for promising to play but then outing, and this is not some ploy to get you to change your mind on removing the PMs. I just don't have the time and energy to play a normal post-based game. Good luck with your game, and good luck to the players. | ||
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>manhood brag here< | ||
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I suggest we kill Bugs, he's good as scum and bad as town. | ||
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On January 26 2012 18:45 wherebugsgo wrote: The only way I'm going to die this game is if I get shot by scum. Why would you shoot yourself? | ||
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On January 27 2012 02:10 Jackal58 wrote: So tell me Mr. Lone Ranger how exactly do you intend to send your vote? I'm gonna send it to whoever I think is town. | ||
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It's so scummy you're probably town. | ||
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On January 27 2012 03:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Why is Paper's plan so scummy dude? If we all circle-jerk the votes, then we can see without a doubt whether or not the scums have vote-manipulation powers and ideally how they work. What makes Paper scummy for suggesting a system under which we'll be able to glean information regarding the setup? It's ok, you're scum too. | ||
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But you already know that don't you? | ||
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On January 27 2012 16:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm going to be honest - I'm also starting to think Palmar is town, but it's not based on a belief that I think he's acting scummy to test reactions. It could be, but that's not why. I think Palmar is town based almost exclusively on the fact that scummy players like Paperscraps are defending the way he's playing. That's at best terrible, at worst scummy way of thinking. You cannot deduce anything about my alignment from how other people interact with me. | ||
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Mafia is about making choices. Much more than you can deduce from reading someone's posts and checking if they're doing scummy stuff, you can hold them accountable for their actions. You need to understand the reasoning behind why people do what they do. What this plan does is remove responsibility. Instead of using analysis and logic to assign our vote, everyone simply gives their vote to whoever they have a town read on. You should keep who you vote for to yourself until the next day, at which point everyone should claim to whom they gave the vote, and why. Giving votes has the potential to give us information. If a player gives his vote to someone on weak reasoning, or if the player receiving the vote is very likely to be mafia (or at some point flips mafia), we have a reason to investigate that player, based on his actions. Suggesting we remove the tool of analyzing how and why people give their votes away is terrible. It's anti-town and it should not happen. If we follow a circle-jerk plan, we remove this aspect of the game, we give mafia a free pass, and a guarantee that they will not lose any voting power. I would hate to be in a situation as scum if I had two options: a) Lose some voting power. b) Make a case as to why I think a scumbuddy is town. That's seriously scary if you're mafia. I mean, good mafia players will have no problem cooking up a good case, but good mafia players are hard to catch anyway. Apply some brain power, reap rewards. It's very likely the most town looking people will be protected by medics, providing an even further deterrence for mafia from shooting them. Remember, mafia has to give 4 votes away tonight. It takes 4 townies having the strongest read on scum as town, to balance that out, or otherwise the mafia has to make cases as to why they think their scumbuddies are town. That's hard to do. do you actually think we're so bad that we can't handle this? I guess the fact that the circle jerk plan got any support at all answers my question though. | ||
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What this plan does is remove responsibility. Instead of using analysis and logic to assign our vote, everyone simply gives their vote to whoever they have a town read on. I meant to say: What this plan does is remove responsibility, instead of using analysis and logic to assign our vote. Everyone should simply give their vote to whoever they have a town read on. funny how punctuation can fuck up a sentence. | ||
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On January 27 2012 19:22 Paperscraps wrote: You are contradicting yourself. You have little faith in us, think we are bad, and think we should die, yet want us to go with the system in which requires the most brain power. Either we are competent or not. You can't have it both ways. It is a big risk to give votes to who we "think" is the most pro-town person on N1, because we can't be sure of any of our reads. Being 100% sure of anything is impossible for a townie. Optimal play is to do what I just said. I don't care if I think half of town is bad. Just prove me wrong. | ||
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On January 27 2012 19:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This. I don't get why people are convinced they'd have to circlejerk until the end of the universe if we go with the plan. I just want a one or two night circlejerk, get information out, and then start voting appropriately. You're allowed an opinion, even if it's wrong. | ||
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I will not be following whatever plan you guys cook up. I will be following my own plan. | ||
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I know you wouldn't recognize it, so just take my word for it. | ||
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When you're trying to lynch scum it's the opposite, and you will be influenced by outside factors (it's harder to get wagons started on scum). However, this is your decision and your decision alone, so you have complete control over the outcome. There is no such thing as safe play in mafia. It's not safe to do the circle of trust because we don't know what abilities the mafia has, and we cannot possibly gain an advantage through that method. With no advantage we don't know how the game is balanced. | ||
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On January 28 2012 04:24 Paperscraps wrote: "I just chose at random" This justification completely negates what your plan is trying to do, which is to get scumtells from peoples justification on their trades. Another contradiction By your logic and probability, townies should trade their votes at random N1, ~70% chance to trade to another townie. So, which one is it Palmar? Free trade + justifications or randomized trading. This is so anti-town. Solidarity is crucial, not dissidence. You are forcing the town to do one of two things, follow you or lynch you. Seems like a scummy power play to me. ##Vote: Palmar You're not helping anyone with that. You're just being dumb. Seeing as you're probably town you're working directly against your win condition. I didn't suggest anyone randomized, I was just pointing out what a great starting point we had even if we simply randomed. Don't try to see things that aren't there. | ||
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On January 28 2012 05:13 layabout wrote: does anybody know why prplhz has voted for wherebugsgo? Nope, don't think it's a terrible vote though | ||
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On January 28 2012 12:44 Node wrote: Palmar said that RNGing our votes would still leaving us with a great starting point. Are you kidding me!? That's nearly a third of our spent votes that never leaves mafia hands. That's the key here. Every mistake is irreversible. But it doesn't go both ways! Mafia will never give votes to town unless we force them to from the very beginning. Town only has votes to lose. It DOESN'T MATTER how good we are at giving votes to town players compared to the effectiveness of the circle jerk -- because with the circle jerk, we don't lose ground. But without the circle jerk, we don't have any ground to gain! The reason the circle jerk is a good plan is that it forces the mafia to play our game. In order to gain an advantage vote-wise, the mafia has to make a choice. Do they kill purely to retain votes? Or do they try to kill strong town players and snipe blues? They only have one KP every night. If I was the mafia, I know which one I'd consider more important. The vote count is public, all townies just claim where and why they gave the votes. If votes are unaccounted for, we need to figure out why. Seriously, are you this dumb? Or are you scum. In other news, much more than the current wagons, I'd wanna lynch layabout, bugs, maybe visceraeyes. | ||
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The reason is that I feel like he doesn't actually care at all about this game. He has been completely useless and uncharacteristically diplomatic this game. Read through his filter, all he has ever done is weigh in on other people opinions. The only case he's actually presented is the one against paperscraps, who looks pretty towny in my opinion. Not to mention he has completely flopped on both his scumreads (paperscraps and myself) which isn't bad, but he has never presented an alternative option. I think he's by far the most likely person to flip red in today's lynch. Layabout is probably the second most likely. So yeah ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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##Vote Wherebugsgo Due to him being scum, and no one believing me VE is scum. | ||
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@Bugs 1. you seem very disinterested in actual scumhunting, and I get the feeling you don't really care much how the day goes. 2. you keep bringing up game mechanics as something central to the discussion. Being a no-flip game is pretty much irrelevant. You're interested in talking about plans and mechanics, but not about who is scum. 3. You have scum read on people I think are town. | ||
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You can see his scum play in mini mafia x, and in couples therapy. | ||
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On January 26 2012 18:45 wherebugsgo wrote: The only way I'm going to die this game is if I get shot by scum. ![[image loading]](http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg){kind=icon} | ||
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I was in addition roleblocked. I attempted to give Paperscraps 2 votes, I have no idea if it actually went through or not, due to the roleblock. If someone is roleblocked, is he unable to give votes away that night? Until I know otherwise I'm going to assume I did not give my votes away, and I received 1 vote from someone. In addition I'm going to assume mafia shot me, but I was saved by a jailkeeper. (who also rb'd me) | ||
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VisceraEyes LSB Layabout | ||
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Of the three candidates that were up for death yesterday, he was ok with killing sentinel and bugs, not visceraeyes, who i think is scum. With LSB having "green reads" on me and node, I find his decision to give layabout (someone I've repeatedly called out) very questionable. Since he has a green read on me, I find it very strange he does not give my reads any respect at all, and straight up gives votes to the player I find most scummy in the game. | ||
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I was traitor in that game... | ||
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On January 31 2012 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd support a Palmar lynch though - I'd support a Palmar lynch like nobodies business at this point. Based on what? Seriously, that's almost a fucking scumslip. I just want LSB dead more right now. | ||
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On January 31 2012 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, it probably has something to do with the fact that he's waiting on me to react to something that I've yet to react to. You see, I was actually hit last night, meaning one of only a few possible scenarios is going on: Rofl. Anyway, unless a vigilante claims the hit on one of us, VE just claimed scum. Why didn't you claim the "hit" immediately? Only when pressure starts building on one of your buddies. ##Vote: VisceraEyes No-flip? No-problem. Get owned scum. | ||
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Let's do this baby. | ||
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risk.nuke, you got given a vote from layabout? This makes you look real bad. | ||
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Do you want to lynch me or VE? | ||
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On January 31 2012 04:01 risk.nuke wrote: Why is that? Because this gives us a 50% chance of hitting scum. No lynch you can offer can beat those odds. The fact I need to explain that makes you the last scum. | ||
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LSB Layabout VisceraEyes risk.nuke GG guys! | ||
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a) VE fake-claimed a hit (I know this) b) you received a vote from layabout (whom I suspect) c) you suggested we don't kill him (and use a DT check, which we don't even know we have) You are the last person to be added to the list, but do you honestly think you can give us an option that is better than killing either me or VE? Mafia only has 1 kp, so one of us is lying (any vigis would've claimed now). So yes, if you don't want to lynch VE, you must be scum. | ||
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it takes 1 second to realize that his claim is a desperate bullshit move, and mine is legit. Whatever, I'm afk. I get really mad when people don't do as I say when I'm right. | ||
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Also, you're scum. | ||
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right now. | ||
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Layabout should probably be next, seeing he has the most voting power of the scum. | ||
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If they fail to give away votes, they're basically confirmed scum. They cannot give each other votes. If they actually both end up at 1 vote or so after the night, I'll consider my stance on them. | ||
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No I mean, I'm basically confirmed town. I am willing to reconsider, and giving your votes away to someone who looks town with good reasoning will help your cause. | ||
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Which is why my emotional, theatrical, arrogant and aggressive town play makes my scum play one of the weakest on TL. It's so easy to tell when I'm in the zone as a townie. And respectively, that's also why for example our dear Jackal58 is impossible to figure out as scum, because he always posts in a very straightforward matter-of-fact manner that allows him to make very little distinction between his scum and town play. | ||
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if you don't have anything useful to say chaoser.... Dirkzor is town. | ||
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anyway, he's town for now. LSB is dying tomorrow. | ||
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It'd be awesome if people just did that all the time. | ||
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You only need to figure out one townie, and pass away your votes. But if you keep them, we're hanging you. | ||
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On February 01 2012 08:33 Jackal58 wrote: Give your votes to Palmar. He's town. If he's not town I'm going to fly to Iceland and kick his little Euro ass. Bitch please Bring it on + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://mail.is/palmar/derp.jpg) | ||
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In a normal game mafia needs to dodge the lynch on days 1-2. It's on day 3 where things can start breaking up for them. However by day 3, half the scum team was dead, and one of their hits had been blocked. This should be a tremendous advantage to town, especially with the other one-shot vigilante hitting scum on night three (despite a day 3 mislynch). At the start of day 4 these things worked for town: Medic save night 1 Mafia lynch day 2 Mafia shot night 2 Mafia shot night 3 These were working for mafia: mislynch day 1 (should be a given) mislynch day 3 (game mechanics forced this on). The fact that the game came even close after this shows how mafia favored the setup was. It is not normal to get a medic save correct in the first night. It is not normal either for 2 vigis to shoot correctly by day 4. It is however normal to lynch 1 scum before day 4. | ||
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