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Blazinghand
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If we nail it today it'll go to the ace match. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Blazinghand
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YOU BROUGHT UP STATISTICS. You are basic a read of off WRONG MATH. I corrected that math. Then you say "math is irrelevant" On January 04 2012 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Statistically, it seems like D1 would be town favored, so the fact that our N1 ended in failure makes me mistrust Radfield, albeit a little irrational. | ||
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Blazinghand
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VE wrote: Statistically it seems like D1 would be town favored I just pointed out that D1 literally isn't town favored. How can you try to cop out of that. How is this a thing. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Your math IS irrelevant because it assumes totally random selection when Radfield didn't select totally at random. He chose based on the information inside the thread...which was obviously limited due to it being D1, but it was still enough for him to choose his team based on. It wasn't random, and it makes your argument that N1 is scum favored totally irrelevant because it wasn't random. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On January 04 2012 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not basing any read on any statistics. You'll notice that Radfield isn't on my scumlist. I said why I mistrust Rad, not why I believe Rad is scum. Your math IS irrelevant because it assumes totally random selection when Radfield didn't select totally at random. He chose based on the information inside the thread...which was obviously limited due to it being D1, but it was still enough for him to choose his team based on. It wasn't random, and it makes your argument that N1 is scum favored totally irrelevant because it wasn't random. Alright, I'll buy that argument. That's fair enough. What, then, was the meaning of this sentence? On January 04 2012 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Statistically, it seems like D1 would be town favored, so the fact that our N1 ended in failure makes me mistrust Radfield, albeit a little irrational. You mention that the failure N1 makes you mistrust Radfield. That's fine-- I feel the same way. But what's that first phrase there? On January 04 2012 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Statistically, it seems like D1 would be town favored, When you say "statistically" you mean "well, statistically but not using any math"?? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 26 2011 17:03 Blazinghand wrote: Team: Radfield (yourself, who is confirmed town to you), plus Zona (for example), plus someone who gives off a solid town read like, say, Blazinghand. If the mission fails, you can reasonably say "well I think this was Zona" (though others will not be able to do so). The beauty of this though is, assuming you're right about the "1 mafia among Zona/Palm/Rad", If your mission succeeds, you've pinned down a mafia member! (WIFOM alert: Mafia, knowing this, might intentionally not sabotage, etc). A post like this which shared spy information is very scummy, and several people pointed this out, which is why people were suspicious of both Zona and myself who made posts like this on day 1. It's why Zona didn't even bother making a team because people were probably gonna mass nayvote it anyways. There's no way a reasonable town player would have put me on the team, but Rad did. For this reason I think he is scum (that and his lack of justifications, and his lack of acknowledgment that he used the team I suggested he use...) | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On January 04 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote: :D I'm glad we could come to an agreement, but the point isn't that Radfield is innocent. He's still scum, just for different reasons. Look, people thought I was scum D1 right? It was after this post: A post like this which shared spy information is very scummy, and several people pointed this out, which is why people were suspicious of both Zona and myself who made posts like this on day 1. It's why Zona didn't even bother making a team because people were probably gonna mass nayvote it anyways. There's no way a reasonable town player would have put me on the team, but Rad did. For this reason I think he is scum (that and his lack of justifications, and his lack of acknowledgment that he used the team I suggested he use...) Can you explain what you mean by the bolded statement? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On January 04 2012 07:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Can you explain what you mean by the bolded statement? MAN ITS' LIKE NOBODY READS THE THREAD. Look, read the quoted post. This was a post that explicitly discussed mafia strategy. In case you don't know, the mafia don't have a QT in this game, so they can't communicate. Posts like this are very scummy-- I basically suggested a mafia strat and communicated vital information that would allow for a 2-man mafia team, one of which is Radfield, to have Radfield sabotage and the other player not sabotage with ease. this post is the reason everyone thinks i'm mafia, and zona (nominally) has a ridiculous "Rad and Blazinghand are scumbuddies" case, and also the reason we have a "no mafia strat discussions" rule. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Seriously guy, you need to STOP saying people aren't reading the thread. I just said that I read the thread, I can assure you I've read the thread. I was asking about your phrasing. You phrased it like you had scum information to share. You phrased it like you're guilty. That's what I was asking about. You were referring to Palmar's post that makes it out to be scummy, I know that now...but what you said was "shared spy information" which caused my confusion. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On January 04 2012 07:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I thought that's what you were referring to, but I wanted to make sure. Seriously guy, you need to STOP saying people aren't reading the thread. I just said that I read the thread, I can assure you I've read the thread. I was asking about your phrasing. You phrased it like you had scum information to share. You phrased it like you're guilty. That's what I was asking about. You were referring to Palmar's post that makes it out to be scummy, I know that now...but what you said was "shared spy information" which caused my confusion. Yeah by "shared spy information" i meant "mentioned that the 2nd spy would intentionally not sabotage" Like, given that everyone seems to have a scum read on me, I ASSUMED that people would know WHY they had a scum read on me. However, of the 8 non-me people in the thread, 3 of them don't actually have a good reason and are mafia. The other 5 have a bad reason but don't realize it's bad. You could see how Zona's argument could be alluring. Yes, of course! Radfield and Blazinhand in cahoots. But really I'm being framed. However, Zona's arguments that Rad is scum are totally valid. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On January 04 2012 07:59 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah by "shared spy information" i meant "mentioned that the 2nd spy would intentionally not sabotage" Like, given that everyone seems to have a scum read on me, I ASSUMED that people would know WHY they had a scum read on me. However, of the 8 non-me people in the thread, 3 of them don't actually have a good reason and are mafia. The other 5 have a bad reason but don't realize it's bad. You could see how Zona's argument could be alluring. Yes, of course! Radfield and Blazinhand in cahoots. But really I'm being framed. However, Zona's arguments that Rad is scum are totally valid. Actually, hold on a sec-- assuming you didn't know about that post, why did you have a scum read on me? | ||
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Blazinghand
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 29 2011 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote: FoS Blazinghand Radfield has been catching a lot of flak for the way he chose his initial team...but the thing is, nothing can happen until we have some information, which we have now. I liked Palmar's post about people discussing Spy strategy, and I liked Radfield's posting d1...so that leaves me with Blazinghand. And he made this post just before the day ended. Like, if you're town and you're on the team, why would you want to cast suspicion on who picked you? I will insta-nay any team that includes Blazinghand. Smooches. On December 29 2011 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote: /:| (that's a raised eyebrow...at you sir.) Calm down a second. First of all, you just got back from a failed mission, and you shouldn't be calling ANYONE spy. Now, I found your post suspicious REGARDLESS of when it was made. The content was what I had a problem with (if you'll kindly read MY post on the matter...which you're either ignoring or intentionally overlooking.) The fact that you Nay'd a team that included you (as town) doesn't make any sense. I can understand after N1 maybe because you have more information, but ALL you have to go on, as town, is YOUR alignment...so a team that includes you is more likely to succeed by virtue of you being town. But I wouldn't expect a Spy like you to think in those terms.  You revise to: + Show Spoiler + On December 30 2011 00:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Believe it or not, I was waiting to see which of Palmar or Radfield called you out on it. XD The fact that Palmar didn't doesn't sit well with me...but I'm still in favor of the 1 scum on N1 mission, and I still think that's Blaze at this juncture... Then... + Show Spoiler + On January 01 2012 16:21 VisceraEyes wrote: This post resonates with me. Toad has seemed to me to be kinda iffy with his suspicions. I'm rereading and keeping a particular eye on BH and Toad. and finally... On January 04 2012 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote: BH, your flailing around and not making sense. But you sound town. So I'm at an impasse. So basically your argument is that I nay-voted a team with myself on it on Day 1, but I sound town-- is this accurate? | ||
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