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Blazinghand
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On January 04 2012 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've made the reasons I find you scummy crystal clear. I'm not going to try and convince you that you're scum Blaze.
Like, VE, I want you to imagine-- IMAGINE that I'm not trying to get you to convince me that I'm scum, as you so cutely imply, but rather, I'm trying to convince you that i'm town, because we need to get today's team right. Imagine that basically everything I've done in this thread has been helpful, I've suggested good teams, and I've generally voted in an accurate fashion...
Is it really so impossible, so unbelievably unlikely, that I'm just a massive baller (MASSIVE) and I fingered rad's day 1 actions as suspicious? Zona, acting on the same information (if you believe Zona's case) has done the same, putting together a case against both me AND Rad based on our day 1 actions. Do you think Zona's case is reasonable whereas mine was not? I think I made the right call. I think I'm a massive, massive baller.
I'm an aggressive player. That's how I play. Check out my play in XLVII (my filter) or Student Mafia (my filter). I am often abrasive and I make calls based on my reads, and vote aggressively.
That's what I do.
I think my d1 play was fine (aside from that post which contained potential spy strat ._.) and my play in general is like this. If you think i'm mafia just because i'm aggressive, think harder.
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It was about the manner in which you nay-voted a team that included you, but yes. That's about the gist of it. And your content sounds town, like, you genuinely sound like you're trying to find scum - except you call everyone who disagrees with you scum or just bad and fall immediately to "LOOK WHO'S NOT READING THE THREAD HURRDURR" any time someone asks something of you, which is intensely scummy to me.
To be honest my read on you very well could be play-style related, and I might end up replacing you with Palmar on my scum-list depending on how this all shakes out.
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Blazinghand
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In any case, it's kind of a WIFOM move of me to suggest that I'm following my own town meta, but check out my filters in XLVII and Student Mafia. I am a strident fellow. I'm not sure I can make a case for my defense that's more comprehensive than the two posts I just made-- but I think this should be fairly convincing.
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On January 04 2012 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Which yes/no question are you answering? I the "Do you agree with Zona" one or the "do you have another scumread" one?
No I have no other real reads.
I think perhaps I have approached this game in entirely the wrong manner. The spies know who they all are. I have read this damn game about 500 times looking for anything that appears to be connections between 3 people. Reoccurring connections.
Hidden messages. Breadcrumbs. I see nothing. I can make the same lame connections to everybody in this game. Nobody dies. The pool of candidates does not shrink. The yay and nay votes are all over the place. I can't line anybody up with anything. All I see are 2 failed missions and the people that were on them. A minimum of 2 are scum. Perhaps all 3 have been chosen. I have no clue. I tried to pick a team avoiding those that went on a prior mission that I think are spies. That's all I can do. Now I'm going out for the evening.
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Jackal bowling can WAIT bro! This is a LYLO situation! 
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On January 04 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
It was about the manner in which you nay-voted a team that included you, but yes. That's about the gist of it. And your content sounds town, like, you genuinely sound like you're trying to find scum - except you call everyone who disagrees with you scum or just bad and fall immediately to "LOOK WHO'S NOT READING THE THREAD HURRDURR" any time someone asks something of you, which is intensely scummy to me.
TO BE FAIR, I don't say that to EVEYRONE who disagrees with me. For example, I think you're town and put you on my team, despite the fact that I was initially very aggressive in my interactions with you. Furthermore, although maybe I should back off on the "omg read the thread" stuff i've been saying, it does get somewhat aggravating when you get situations like this:
On January 04 2012 06:12 Blazinghand wrote:
All my mocking aside, I do actually think VE is probably town... My current scumlist is Radfield, Palmar, Zona. ._.
On January 04 2012 06:32 GreYMisT wrote:
VE i would like to know who you think is the spy team.
Blazinghand and Radfield same question.
I didn't think Greymist took 20 minutes to write that post, and given my previous "greymist isn't reading my posts" interactions, I was not very pleased.
I'll lay off on the thread-reading stuff if it happens again and just quote relevant posts and make sarcastic smiley faces and ;_; faces in the future.
In any case, if you're fine with my content but dislike my tone, do check out how my tone usually is-- it's possible you're just not a fan of my playstyle, which I get, but sometimes that's just how a brotha rolls
Also Jackal it would be nice if you stuck around and cleared your name if you're town since we kinda need this mission to succeed. you know.
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Blazinghand
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On January 04 2012 08:45 Jackal58 wrote:
All I see are 2 failed missions and the people that were on them. A minimum of 2 are scum. Perhaps all 3 have been chosen. I have no clue. I tried to pick a team avoiding those that went on a prior mission that I think are spies. That's all I can do. Now I'm going out for the evening.
Actually... a minimum of 1 who have been selected so far are scum. It's not impossible that Palmar alone sabotages both missions.
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Alright I am going to nay vote Jackal's team. I will admit that I don't have the best of reads this game, and from what I have seen everyone is kinda in the same boat when it comes to that. We are in a flipping terrible position, as we have very little room for testing and manuverbility at the moment. So im just going to throw out what I think, and hope that something sticks.
I have reevaluated the entire thread from a completely fresh point of veiw, and have come up with some different opinions.
I think the scum team consists of Rad, Toad, and Jackal, with my level of suspicion decreasing from left to right.
I would like to reiterate, none of my reasons are super awesome, but its what I got.
Radfield's posting and general attitude this game strikes me as different than the way he posts as town. because this is a different format than we are all used to this means almost nothing, but it made him warrant suspicion from me. what turns me off about him is the way he instantly shifted blame onto blazing, without even considering the posibility that palmar is scum. i feel a town radfield would be all over palmar to post more. Look at election mafia where they were both town. both of their activity levels were good and they were working together to find scum. here they are completely disjointed. next observe the way he dismisses zona's case as simply "bad" this also strikes me as slightly off. He also keeps saying "guys we need to work together and contribute" but he isnt really talking things over in the thread with most of us.
Again, not much. but w/e.
Toad strikes me for the following 2 reasons. first he was on my team that failed. second is that he two began pushing blazing hard along with rad. The absense of a scum QT in this game leads me to believe that he wanted to follow rad with what he was doing, and discredit the easy target.
Jackal is my weakest read. Something is just off about the way he is playing this game to me. also something that caught my attention was the way rad asked him his team earlier. this is something easy that scum would do to each other to look like they are contributing.
Palmar and VE, i would be eager to learn your thoughts on this.
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Grey, can you not replace Radfield with Palmar and make exactly the same case?
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On January 04 2012 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Grey, can you not replace Radfield with Palmar and make exactly the same case?
possibly close to it, yes. These three just struck me the hardest.
Anything else to say about this?
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What do you think about a Radfield/Palmar/Jackal team Grey?
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Blazinghand
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Something like that makes sense, but why are we discounting the possibility of a Radfield/Palmar/Zona team? Unless Zona's D1 "slip-up" was an honest mistake like mine... in which case Zona's "there were two spies N1" theory could apply to Rad/Palm.
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On January 04 2012 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you think about a Radfield/Palmar/Jackal team Grey?
well, considering i said that i dont like both radfield and jackal, and that you pointed out a reason i should be worried about palmar, I would say a team of those players right now would be pretty strange. especially because our teams require 4 players now.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On January 04 2012 09:57 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you think about a Radfield/Palmar/Jackal team Grey? well, considering i said that i dont like both radfield and jackal, and that you pointed out a reason i should be worried about palmar, I would say a team of those players right now would be pretty strange. especially because our teams require 4 players now.
I believe he's saying quite the opposite: that he thinks the SPY team is Rad/Palm/Jack.
At least, I hope that's what he's saying >.>
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The thing is, the more I think about it, the less scummy it seems to be to 'discuss scum strategy'....I mean, it makes sense at first glance, but I'm having trouble finding an upside to keeping everyone in the dark as to how scum might operate at this point in the game. It's LYLO, or the Resistance equivalent of such. We need as much information as possible to make this mission a success.
Now, Blaze I will say that I at no point found your post discussing spy strategy to be scummy. Ever. My read on you has been based on your interactions with Radfield and the way you've been pushing your cases. It's felt off to me. I'm willing to admit that it's possibly just a playstyle difference thing.
I think you're barking up the wrong tree with Zona. Her game has been pretty solidly town by my estimation. Where did your Toad suspicion go? He OMGUS'd you D1 hard, why is he suddenly town to you?
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On January 04 2012 09:59 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 09:57 GreYMisT wrote:On January 04 2012 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you think about a Radfield/Palmar/Jackal team Grey? well, considering i said that i dont like both radfield and jackal, and that you pointed out a reason i should be worried about palmar, I would say a team of those players right now would be pretty strange. especially because our teams require 4 players now. I believe he's saying quite the opposite: that he thinks the SPY team is Rad/Palm/Jack. At least, I hope that's what he's saying >.>
This. Also we're building a team of 4 for the mission yes?
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On January 04 2012 09:59 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 09:57 GreYMisT wrote:On January 04 2012 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you think about a Radfield/Palmar/Jackal team Grey? well, considering i said that i dont like both radfield and jackal, and that you pointed out a reason i should be worried about palmar, I would say a team of those players right now would be pretty strange. especially because our teams require 4 players now. I believe he's saying quite the opposite: that he thinks the SPY team is Rad/Palm/Jack. At least, I hope that's what he's saying >.>
Oh, ok thank god. If that is the case I feel a team like that is probable. The problem is that on day 1 one of radfield or palmar would not have sabotaged. There are of course tons of ways to breadcrumb this that only people who knew for certain the scumteam would know to look for.
The more that I think about it the more that team makes sense in my head. assuming that team is correct, rad choose palmar as well as himself, and then chose to not sabatoge, allowing palmar to, or vice versa. the risk in this is that no sabotage would happen, in which case the same team would get picked, and they would have another day to breadcrumb who to sabotage. your team would also work with the day2 sabotage as well.
So in short, yes I feel both teams are about equally probable.
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At this point, I think it is okay to discuss spy strategy in the thread. All that matters is picking 4 townies for tonight and as someone already pointed out, if we do so, we get through night 3 and night 4.
Any communication that might happen between spies would have no negative impact for us, because as long as there is one spy on the team, we lose. Spy communication really only has a bearing on what they do if there are multiple spies on a given night, and our only hope is if there are zero spies tonight.
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I'll insta-yay a team that includes VE, Greymist, Blazinghand, Zona
Just putting that out there.
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On January 04 2012 10:50 TruthBringer wrote:
At this point, I think it is okay to discuss spy strategy in the thread. All that matters is picking 4 townies for tonight and as someone already pointed out, if we do so, we get through night 3 and night 4.
Any communication that might happen between spies would have no negative impact for us, because as long as there is one spy on the team, we lose. Spy communication really only has a bearing on what they do if there are multiple spies on a given night, and our only hope is if there are zero spies tonight.
Name 4 townies. Palmar picks next. I'm voting nay on anything Palmar proposes.
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