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 As for policy lynches, I'm against Lynch All Liars, only because it tends to lead to players narrowing their focuses too much - lynching someone, even if they are a liar, may not be the best idea for the town. And Lynch All Lurkers is also a bad idea, not the least because at times I am one . Same reason as before, with the added rationale that life gets in the way sometimes - papers, work, family and such all happen, and sometimes you can't devote the time necessary.With that said, doing some estimation, worst case scenario (assuming bad lynches and vig kills, with one vig, as well as all mafia kills), we have until day 3 to flip a red. Keeping that in mind, what say the people about a day 1 lynch? | ||
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Shraft, what do you want me to say? I merely made a comment based on my tendencies - if anything, explicitly stating how I play is pro-town. Add to my case the fact that I've already acted pro-town, in generating discussion with the last part of my first post, and I'm not sure how you can justify voting for me. | ||
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On December 23 2011 23:39 Dirkzor wrote: I bolded what i found strange. You already state that you will be lurking. Early in game you want people to feel its okay that you lurk. No Mr. I won't allow it! Yes life gets in the way but you should make up for it when time permits. In that way people won't feel you are lurking if you have provided enough to talk about when you actually have the time. We all need to eat and sleep (work?) but if you don't carry your weight we don't need you. ##Vote sephirotharg That's all well and good - I don't necessarily disagree with anything you say here. In general, lurking isn't optimal play, not for town at any rate. That said, you didn't actually provide any reason to vote for me here. You responded to my post, but gave no rationale as to why you placed your vote on me. Please do everyone the favor of explaining your actions. | ||
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No, you misinterpreted my post - I expected somebody to notice that part about me lurking long before they did - I didn't expect to get votes so early! You see, mafia will tend to push for a mis-lynch day 1 - and I don't mind putting myself out there as a target, if it lures them out of hiding. So, anyone who has pushed for lynching me, consider yourself on notice. And the last objection you have to me: my asking people about day 1 lynches did indeed generate discussion. See this post: On December 23 2011 13:59 GiygaS wrote: And also, it's stupid to not get a lynch on day1 unless we have literally no leads. It's better to lynch a guy that we think is leaning scum, then not lynching anybody at all. And this one: On December 23 2011 15:16 Misder wrote: @Day1 Lynch- yes. ofc, that comes with scumhunting as well as potentially lynching lurkers. | ||
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This is a game of circles within circles son, and you'd best step to that right quick. Weird accent aside, I'm merely stating that I find you, Dirkzor, and Shraft rather suspicious for voting so early and pushing hard. I think it's rather obvious why I wrote "the thing about lurking" - to generate some discussion, allowing scum to reveal themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the three of you flips red - but we'll see. | ||
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It's not something I consciously decide at the beginning of the game; it arises mainly due to circumstances and whatnot - for example, in about an hour or so I'll be gone until late tonight, so don't expect much from me later on. I'll be around for the lynch deadline, though, and I intend to be active in the game. I've kept this thread open and refreshing since day 1 started. @ Shraft I'm glad that I'm not the only one playing subtly. So far, most people are playing their cards close to their chest, so to speak. When I'm active, I play more fast and loose. | ||
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For voting, need we specifically unvote? Or, if we merely vote for a different person, is it taken for granted that we unvoted the original vote? Can the host/co-host please keep the player list up to date? I refer to it often, and it would be nice to have the reminder that hyshes has replaced Mattchew, for example. And as a placeholder: ##Vote sephirotharg | ||
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It's just a placeholder vote. The rules say voting is mandatory, and I'd rather not get modkilled for forgetting to vote, so by preemptively voting I preclude that possibility. By voting for myself, I reveal nothing about my thoughts on other players. | ||
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Please re-read the rules. It explicitly states that you may vote for yourself. In fact, here's the quote: On December 21 2011 08:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. | ||
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I'll do my best to tackle people's concerns one by one, starting with Adam's post on page 7 (I'm not very skilled with TL's commenting system, so bear with me if things get wonky): Your first post comes across as timid and making excuses for further down the track. Saying “I’m not skilled” only serves to devalue your opinion, which is something that no townie wants to do. It is however something that mafia wants to do, if he plans on flying under the radar. Honestly, you're reading too much into it. I actually am not skilled at this game (as you can tell), and to be honest there are situations where one might want one's opinion devalued, if one is a power role for example and desires to be less of a target. I'm not actuated by that motive in this particular case; I'm just a relative noob at mafia, and I said so in an attempt to be honest, Your problem with lynching all liars is that it ‘narrows town focus’ too much. I disagree; someone caught lying to the town deserves all the scrutiny they get. I feel as though you are giving yourself an out in the event that you are caught lying later on. I agree with you that someone caught lying to the town deserves scrutiny; where I do not agree is that they automatically deserve lynching. Players are motivated by all sorts of wacky motives to make all sorts of zany plays, including lying. And if someone is a confirmed liar, the town can safely disregard them for the time being and focus on finding the other scum. At least, those are my feelings on the matter. In addition, why would I draw attention to my plan if I were mafia? If it really were my intention to lurk, and I were mafia, why would I out it so soon? I suppose you could chalk it up to my noobishness, but that would honestly be a rather silly play for a mafioso to make. Lastly, your point on lurkers is just flat out questionable. If you didn’t have the time to devote to playing this game, then why did you sign up? As you can tell, there are several people who missed out that want your spot. You finish by tacking on some napkin math about how many days we have before lylo, which is unnecessary on page 4 when the game started on page 3. Its entirely fluff, discussing worst-case scenario’s on the first day is pointless and only serves as a distraction from us doing our jobs, catching scum. I'll agree with you that my "napkin math" as you term it wasn't really necessary. But a distraction, I think not. And I never stated once that I "do not have the time to play this game". I did state that sometimes I lurk - however, I don't think I can be accused of that this game. In fact, this is one of the best times for me to play mafia - I'm done with school, on winter break and have little else to do for the most part. Your second and third posts are also causes for concern. In your second post you state “if anything, explicitly stating how I play is pro-town” in response to Shraft prodding you about your lurking intentions. Then in your next post, 6 minutes later, you say, “In general, lurking isn’t optimal play, not for town at any rate”. This just screams inconsistent. You claim your play style is pro-town, and then dismiss your play style as not optimal for town only 6 minutes later. This critique of me stems from your misunderstanding of my original post. I have the time to play, I am actively playing, not lurking, and therefore my play style is rather pro-town. If I were to lurk, then my play style would be more mafia oriented - that is both what I contend now and what I meant in my other post. After demeaning Giygas by implying that you know something he doesn’t (interesting tactic for someone claiming to be “unskilled” in their first post), you claim that you think it’s ‘rather obvious’ as to why you are doing what you are doing. This just screams cop-out, you weren’t expecting all the heat you’re getting from your first few posts and now you are trying to rationalise it all as ‘generating discussion’. I'm not sure where you got the implication that I "know something he doesn't" - I never had any such intentions. I was merely pointing out the fact that there are layers to any mafia game of deception and such. And I certainly never demeaned him. As for your second point, I'm honestly not sure what to say to that. I honestly thought, after explaining my plan in my other post, that it was obvious why I did what I did. And, as a point of clarification, I didn't defend it as "generating discussion" so much as scumhunting. In your last post (as of the time of writing this) you announce your intentions to return to lurking until near the deadline so ‘don’t expect much form me later on’, so… you don’t plan on defending yourself after all of this? Your message to Shraft: “I’m glad I’m not the only one playing subtly” again just stinks of cop-out. Now that the PBP is over, I’m just going to be honest. You claim unskilled and then act like you are ‘laying scum traps’ by being subtle. You announce your intentions to lurk, which does nothing to help this town. Your play has been nothing but anti-town since your first post. Don’t lurk, get back here and EXPLAIN your actions. **And now that I’ve refreshed the thread, you’ve voted for yourself… AND edited “contradictory statements” out of one of your posts. I really wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, but the shoe fits here. I announced my intentions to go on a trip I'd planned for a few days - not to lurk. My message to Shraft was rather dumb, thinking over it. It came out all wrong, and I'm sorry. Aren't my actions in line with an unskilled player? Trying (and not succeeding as much as I had hoped) to lure out scum with an (admittedly) poorly executed plan. Seems less like scum and more like noob, to me. I never announced my intentions to lurk - that was a misinterpretation on your part. And don't make the mistake of thinking that you can run my life or determine what I do - virtually (in both senses) yelling at me to come back is rude and counter-productive. As I've explained earlier, voting for myself as a placeholder was merely because I didn't want to expose any of my feelings on other players at that time - I prefer to reserve my judgments for later on. The contradictory statement was merely me saying that I didn't want votes on myself, then later in the same post saying that I was watching anyone who voted for me. After reading it over, I realized it sounded dumb and contradictory, so I changed it. Re-read both posts for yourself if you don't believe me. And that's a wall of text, so I'll break this up into several posts. My next one will come in shortly. | ||
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On December 24 2011 08:23 Shraft wrote: If you're town, you should be focusing on finding scum rather than looking innocent yourself. It stands out to me because generally scum players are a lot more careful with what they say, and make damn sure that they don't contradict themselves or stick their neck out in any other way. Townies don't think as much about how they word their posts, but to mafia it comes naturally. That's a stylistic choice. I prefer to look innocent, in general, when I'm town. Survival is important to me because if I don't survive, I'm of no further use to the town. My contributions to the town this game are up for debate, of course, but still, with all the heat I was already taking I felt it prudent to look less scummy, not realizing until later that my action (namely editing my post) was in violation of the rules. | ||
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On December 24 2011 09:58 jaybrundage wrote: Dont you think its weird that Sephirotharg instead of defending himself that he just leaves? And the votes for himself just not to get modkilled however he knows people are voting for him but he ignores it. He is much more likly to be lynched at this point. The part where he edited a post to appear innocent is pretty much nailing him the coffin. A townie would not have to be so conscious of his posts because he has nothing to hide. He then states at this point he would rather not play the game. He doesn't want to play the game because hes mafia that got caught day one. Kinda sucks but pretty good for town dont ya think. I wanted to leave because I was screwing up the game badly for everyone, and felt that if I gave up my spot to another person they would do a better job. Since I haven't been modkilled, it's up to me to defend myself now. Voting for myself was already explained - it's merely to prevent instadeath if for some reason I forget or can't be here in time for the lynch, and voting for myself reveals nothing of my thoughts with regard to others, which is how I like to play. I keep my opinions of others to myself in the early stages of the phases. The editing has also been explained - I was already taking heat, and thought it best to appear as clean as possible. I know you will say it is because I am mafia; however, it merely arose out of a desire to stay alive and help the town. Believe what you will. I didn't want to play anymore because I thought someone else would do a better job - and I still think that. However, I'm still in this game so I might as well at least try. Regardless of what you think, I'm not mafia. | ||
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On December 24 2011 10:23 EchelonTee wrote: Was sister's birthday yesterday and went out last night, time to get on this. On seph: Interesting how seph is against policy lynches, as they could be easily used as a case on him. Self admitting lurking, then later claims he did this on purpose to see if it would arouse attention? Wat? Note how this post really doesn't advance discussion, especially his last paragraph; it sounds longer he is being analytical with his reasoning but all he is doing is stating the obvious, that we need day 1 lynch is a forgone conclusion. However this I'd still early the day, seph gets more suspicious/weird as we move on. Again, I did not admit to lurking this game, merely stated that sometimes I play that way. This game is the opposite for me. And frankly, self-preservation is a natural instinct - who wouldn't be against something that could be used to kill them? We were speaking in the theoretical, and my thoughts generally are against both types of policy lynch, for reasons that encompass both self-preservation and other thoughts about their helpfulness. And sure, I may not have advanced the discussion (though I would argue that I did), but the same can be said for a portion of the posts in this thread. Are you going to say that anyone not advancing the discussion is a mafia? As for the bit about the day 1 lynch, I've played scenarios in other forums where day 1 lynch was inadvisable - I merely thought I'd float the possibility here. It seems that TL Mafia encourages day 1 lynches, something that I was not aware of at the time of my original post. Acting smug about doing something scummy, as though you're being actually a super sneaky pro-town? Seems like Betty poor backpedaling to me. Pointing out your negative tendencies just emphasizes that you are anti town, but trying to present it as though its no big deal. there is little reason to state this from a town perspective; you are just giving yourself an excuse for bad play and/or scum play. I and others already noted that you haven't generated any good discussion, so at this point your case is looking worse. You say potato, I say potato...well, I guess it doesn't work as well in print, but my point remains: you say I was backpedaling, I say I was trying to execute a strategy (one which hasn't panned out exceptionally well, to this point, but still).I'm not sure how being honest about how I tend to play is anti-town - perhaps you could enlighten me. I merely thought I was providing information about myself, in the spirit of honesty that started with people linking their previous games. More backpedaling with the justification for lurking. Very faulty logic, trying to claim people who are calling out your poor behavior are suspicious... For noticing that you are highly suspicious? No one is buying it. At this point I suspect this was a terribad GF gambit. No. They are suspicious for pushing for a mis-lynch - as lynching me surely would be. Noticing the line about lurking is exactly what I intended to be noticed, in the hopes of having some of the mafia pursue what seems like an easy lynch. I was attempting to scumhunt, and it didn't work quite as I hoped. This sealed the case for me. Seph's defenses have positively become shorter and shadier. If your were town, your would have no reason to fear being scrutinized for bullshit unless a) you're a terribad townie who is disrupting play, or b) scummy scum. There is little backing up what you have said. Voting for self = just plain weird, shows that you don't have a case on ANYONE else, if you had any way to defend yourself, your vote and your reasoning would be the way... And you have shown that you have no defense. Shorter and shadier, eh? Then how do you explain away my veritable walls of text in defense of myself now? And you are assuming that all townies think as you do - that is, they don't care about looking suspicious. I obviously differ in my mentality, which is why I edited my post. My self-vote has already been explained. And this my defense right here. | ||
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On December 24 2011 13:08 Grackaroni wrote: You've become too inconsistent. At the start of the game you downplayed yourself as a lurker and a bad player. You later defended yourself using the above quote claiming that it was good play, it helped you lure scum out of hiding, and that you don't mind putting yourself out as a target. You've taken some pressure and now all of a sudden you don't even want to play the game anymore? That doesn't match with your earlier statement. You should be using the information you've gathered with your "I'm a bad player and a lurker" trap to help expose the scum team. Instead you've already gotten a defeatist attitude. At the risk of sounding pretentious, I give you this quote: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines" - Ralph Waldo Emerson. Relying on consistency as your argument is weak - it discounts the illogic that pervades the human mind. Okay, done with that rant. I said I was at times a lurker, not in this game specifically. And unskilled does not equate to bad. Even an unskilled player can make good plays from time to time, as I believed I had done at that point. My reasons for desiring to stop playing the game have already been explained. Why wouldn't you want to give us your reads? You should be giving out information to help the town, especially because your about to be lynched... there is no alignment where it would be beneficial for you to not try to defend yourself and giving us what your thinking helps the town. I can think of several roles in which it would be beneficial - perhaps not in this game, but they do exist. Semantics aside, I never said that I would not ever share my thoughts, merely that I wanted to hold them for a more opportune time. With nearly a day left, that time is not now. And my defense is this post, as well as several others. It is actually good to appear as townish as possible for both town and scum, but for somebody with as limited time as yourself you should be prioritizing reading other people's filters over your own. As scum you could still try to wiggle your way out of the lynch. instead you put a placeholder vote on yourself EVEN THOUGH you said that you would be here before the deadline. You edit a post EVEN THOUGH you said you read the rules after people said you couldn't self vote. I think it's entirely possible that your play at the start of the game was so suspicious that now the mafia decided to bus you, that's my best explanation for why you've given up and are even asking to be modkilled. I hope that's not the case because you can't try to get modkilled to help your team. I'm not sure where you get the impression that I have "limited time" - I have quite a bit of time at the moment, thank you. I do appreciate the advice, though - when I'm in a game and have limited time I'll be sure to prioritize as you suggest. I believe that redundancies are advisable in certain situations - this is one. Placing my vote on myself gives me an extra layer against instadeath by failing to vote - in line with my previously expressed desire to survive, you'll find. And I'm not saying that I'm perfect; I re-read the rules about voting, not editing posts, hence my error. furthermore, that edit occurred before I voted for myself - a strike against you for not checking the time stamps and flow of the game. And as I've already stated, I desired a modkill merely because I thought anyone could do a better job than me - I figured my replacement, whoever that may be, would be better able than myself to see the game through. Since I've not been modkilled, though, I will do my best to see this game through. The bottom line is this: I am not a mafia. (shades of Nixon, eh?) :  : | ||
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Explain to me where I said mafia are inconsistent. | ||
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I've never stated that mafia are inconsistent, or consistent for that matter. I did attack the fact that you used inconsistency as a basis for labeling me, however. In my experience, mafia tend (note the word tend, is not always the case) to be contradictory - hence my desire to appear non-contradictory. | ||
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Surprise! It's Jaybrundage. Let's go through this step by step. On December 24 2011 07:57 jaybrundage wrote: Hey guys, Sorry for not being to active. Internet is a commodity not always provided at my families house. Ok lets get started. On policy lynches i think that there fine guidelines for how we should act and at the same time we should not follow them blindly and be the main reason we lynch someone.1 Onto the good stuff. I think that the sephirotharg case is an interesting one. I do find his first post suspicious. Trying to soft claim that lurking is ok is honestly pretty anti town. There is not reason to allow it or hint that it's acceptable or we gonna establish a bad town atmosphere. We need people to post what they think so we can get transparency.2 I also fine the fact that sephirotharg posted a vote in himself really really weird to be honest. You know people think your suspicious if not just plain scum. Why would you put a vote on your self as a "placeholder" I honestly think its a distraction because why would mafia vote himself. But at the same time why would town vote for himself. Its a action that makes no sense. And when we are trying to get clarity why would you do that.3 ##Vote sephirotharg Honestly you seem to want to be voting for the way your acting. Post a solid reason why we should not vote for you. Defend your self give people another case on someone you think is scummy. Something4 1: Interesting how his first substantive post opens with a justification for his seeming lurking. He continues on to say they are "good guidelines" but backs off from this stance by saying they shouldn't be the reason we lynch somebody. I've been accused of preemptively defending my lurking; well, I'm leveling the same charge at Jay. 2: Soft-claiming that lurking is ok is anti-town, right? Then why did you just try to excuse your own lurking? That's anti-town behavior as well. 3: You say that there's no reason for a mafia to vote for their self. Then, realizing that you just implied that I was a townie, you back up and try to posit that there's no reason for a townie to vote for their self. Then you just give up and say you are confused. How does any of this help the town? You argue that my self-vote was a distraction but it's you who attempts to distract the town with this nonsense paragraph. 4: "I seem to want to be voting for the way I'm acting?" What does that even mean? And then you appeal to me to do something, anything at all. Why? You'd prefer for others to be active, if you are mafia. If I'm doing all the talking, you don't have to contribute. This post is basically a nothing post. Jay tries to excuse his own lurking (and then lurks rather a lot after this, having only 2 additional posts of any length. For a game that's almost 2 days old at this point that is a paltry contribution) and then confuses the issue by saying that my actions make no sense. He reiterates reasons others have laid out for my post seeming scummy but fails to expand on those reasons. On December 24 2011 09:37 jaybrundage wrote: Alright sep you just got a warning. As of now i see as scum and you have a lot of votes on you. Plz address these concerns. And it would be great for you to give your scum reads. As we have about 2 and a half hours till deadline. If your town tell use everything you know so that we have tools to get scum. Give us everything you got this is the time you can change the vote. Now or never. Oh and in case my nonbolded vote doesnt count. ##Vote Sephirotharg I received a warning. Thanks for stating the obvious. Then you say I had "a lot of votes" on myself. At this point, the votes numbered 4, one of which was my own placeholder. 3 votes is "a lot?" No, you just want me to perceive it that way so I panic and mess up. This is further compounded by the fact that you say we have only 2 hours left - an outright lie. Could you have made a mistake? Certainly. But does it benefit you to put more pressure on me? Yes. And then you conclude by asking me for my scum reads - when you yourself haven't contributed at all beyond restating what other people have said. On December 24 2011 09:58 jaybrundage wrote: The Sephirotharg so called bandwagon is going so well because hes had some huge scum tells. If you dont realize this then you should reread his posts. I stated why i think hes scummy. You state its stupid but please do explain that. Dont you think its weird that Sephirotharg instead of defending himself that he just leaves? And the votes for himself just not to get modkilled however he knows people are voting for him but he ignores it. He is much more likly to be lynched at this point. The part where he edited a post to appear innocent is pretty much nailing him the coffin. A townie would not have to be so conscious of his posts because he has nothing to hide. He then states at this point he would rather not play the game. He doesn't want to play the game because hes mafia that got caught day one. Kinda sucks but pretty good for town dont ya think. And if you want to make a case on me go for it. So far you posted everything about policy lynches which is a great discussion starter. You have to move on sooner or later. You then vote for me with practically nothing. You claim i haven't contributed but all you talked about was policy lynches. And here you just restate what has already been said. Both of your main points against me have already been noted by this time, by Shraft and Adam a few posts above yours. And then you attack Misder, even though his vote is obviously a pressure vote. You even acknowledge as much by saying "You then vote for me with practically nothing". You lurk, then make excuses for it. You distract the town from the actual issues, and merely restate points that have already been said. And you react aggressively when the flimsiest of votes is pushed against you. And you push for an early, not fully reasoned-out lynch. None of this behavior makes sense from a town perspective, but it is classic mafia play. I have my doubts about others, most notably Shraft, but since Jay's response amounts to "it wasn't a sheep vote" he is my prime suspect at this point in time. | ||
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On December 25 2011 05:23 GiygaS wrote: Yeah I believe jay in his defense, I'm sticking with seph. Care to expand on that? Why do you believe Jay and not me? Lay out your reasoning, convince others. That's the town play. | ||
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On December 25 2011 05:38 jaybrundage wrote: Jay- I have stated multiply times i think it was a distraction. There was no reason for you to vote for your self. It only serves to confuse people and make people second guess there own vote. Giygas stated himself that he had no idea what to think of it. Well, sure. Giygas didn't know what to think. Others understood it, mainly Misder, who told everyone we should consider it null. I've also laid out my reasons for voting for myself. So this is just a difference of opinion here. Jay- It means you have been acting scummy. I want you to be active because a active town is a healthy town that can find mafia. I would prefer everyone to be active so we can catch scum when they slip. Hypocrisy. The only times you have been active are 1) when you were pursuing my lynch and 2) when you yourself are the focus of scrutiny. Other than that, you have been lurking. You say you want an active town, and defy that with your actions. Are you really town then? Jay- I wanted to get your post asap because i thought we only had two hours. I turned out to be mistaken. Why would i lie about the deadline. That would just be plain dumb. I gave my scum read and its you. You defense was lackluster. It at some points didn't even make sense. Quoting Emerson seems like a stretch. I agree, lying about the deadline would be dumb. Which is why I'm calling you out on it. If you had actually made a mistake, you would have apologized, or acknowledged the fact shortly thereafter. Instead you attack Misder and myself in the space of one post, without mentioning your "mistake" at all. Seems fishy to me. And I'm not going to let you get away with merely saying "defense was lackluster". If you really think so, why don't you analyze it? This strikes me as the kind of generality that a mafia would say. Quoting Emerson was flavor, nothing more. Is it a stretch? Maybe. Does it make me mafia? No. Jay- I have not lurked. And I have not made excuses for it. I have defensed my self thoroughly because i am not mafia. I have pushed your lynch because you are the scummiest person atm. Poor grammar aside, this is an outright lie. I count 12 posts from you as of this reply. Of these 12, the first 3 are pregame fluff. The next 4 come in the space of a couple of hours, and deal primarily with my first post. The next 5 come about 17 hours later by my count, and are focused on defending yourself. That's only 9 posts in the actual game (two or three of which are one-liners), and significant gaps between the posts. Sure, you have to sleep, that's fine. But 9 posts in 2 days of play does not seem active to me, especially given the content of said posts. Jay- This is VERYYY interesting. You previously said that you found Drikzor and Shraft suspicious which is down below HOWEVER you push onto me after seeing that other people are doing so. Ever since Drikzor came off your lynch wagon you dont even mention him. And you switch from Shraft who you though was suspicious to me. You are incorrect here. I said previously that I was suspicious of anyone that voted so quickly for me - in that context, specifically Dirk, Shraft and Giygas. That was on page 5, however, and I laid out my case for you on page 9. The time gap between those pages was what, a day or so? Plenty of time for my opinions to change and solidify. After seeing the others' case on you, I looked back at your filter and found you to be rather scummy. So I laid out my case against you. Rest assured, you were not the only one I looked at, however, and you aren't the only one I have suspicions about. And you are ignoring the fact that at the end of my case against you I specifically call out Shraft as another suspicious person. Dirk and Giygas I'm less sure of, and therefore I'm not willing at this time to reveal my thoughts. | ||
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##Vote jaybrundage Now that that's done, I'll post my brief thoughts on everyone in the game, because my lynching appears imminent. Here we go (this post was started several hours ago, bear that in mind): Grackaroni: I'm getting a green vibe off Grack. He encourages everyone to share, seems to be acting for the town in general and put some thought into his case against me. I'm concerned at his lack of activity recently, and the fact that his case against me seemed to come almost out of nowhere (according to his posts, that is), but I'd still peg him as green. Adam4167: I'm not entirely sure about Adam. His case against me was somewhat thoughtful, and he seems interested in finding scum. On the other hand he's not worked hard at scumhunting beyond looking at me, and he has dropped off the face of the earth recently. hyshes: Too little of his to really judge. I'm not sure, mainly because he just jumped on the bandwagon against me, and because he's contributed nothing to the town, but with so few posts I'm not ready to say one way or another yet. Shraft: I'm feeling like Shraft is a bit more mafia-esque. He seemed quick to vote for me, then didn't really explain himself except for the feeling that my post was "scummy". And when the focus shifts to Jay, Shraft seems to mostly ignore his faults and tries to refocus the group on me. Other than that he's not been tremendously active or contributory, which is why I'm leaning mafia for him. Giygas: I can't get a solid read on Giygas. He appears to be working to find out who the scum is, but not terribly hard. None of his posts have been truly substantive, yet I'm not ready to say he's red yet. In fact, I feel like he's green, but I'd not bet my life on it (lol). Misder: Green. He's actively working to scumhunt, and has analyzed both of the current contenders for lynching (me and Jay). His actions thus far seem pro-town. minus_human: 3 posts, none of which deal with the current situation. I've no idea. Echelon_Tee: Also green. He contributed an analysis of me to the group, two in fact. Come to think of it, he hasn't said anything with regard to jay. Either way, I feel he's interested in finding the actual scum, so I'd say he is green. Cyber_Cheese: town seems more likely, but I'm not sold on his innocence yet. He puts his FoS on me early and then just watches events unfold, until the case comes up against Jay. He hops on the bandwagon pretty quickly there. I feel that a townie would have taken a closer look at me than he did. That said, I'm leaning towards town for him. jaybrundage: You know my feelings with regard to him. Dirkzor: Feels green to me. He does vote for me quickly, this is true. But later he runs down reasons for everyone's votes and tries to spur discussion about who to lynch. Nothing sticks out to me, so he seems town. So the three I'd peg as mafia, at this point in time, are: jay, shraft, and one of the lurkers (hyshes or minus_human). | ||
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sephirotharg
United States91 Posts
On December 25 2011 08:52 hyshes wrote: pretty easy. Sep is making no sense whatsoever. I'm not gonna allow him to screw around here a bit and then get away with it. All he did up to now is anti-town. His case on you was no case, it was a dull replica. He didn't do anything. And about the case on you. Its based on things i don't see in your posts. No real explanation, just general feelings. That doesn't cut it here. | ||
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sephirotharg
United States91 Posts
On December 25 2011 10:03 Shraft wrote: Just read through jay's filter twice. Sure, there is some faulty logic and poor reasoning in some of his posts, but nothing that really stands out as scummy behaviour to me. I'm sticking with my vote on sephirotharg. I don't like his preemptive excuses, I don't like how he tries to twist his initial suspicious behaviour into something pro-town, I don't like how he stretches everything a bit too far in his case against jaybrundage, and I don't like how he says that he is an inexperienced player in his first post, then says it was a play to catch scum looking for an easy vote, and then invokes his noobiness in his defense later on. Noobs don't make clever traps in order to bait out scum. On the contrary, that is exactly what noobs do. They try tricky, clever plays that usually don't pan out. Which is what I've done here, we can agree. | ||
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sephirotharg
United States91 Posts
On December 25 2011 06:49 GiygaS wrote: A lot of the stuff on Jay is twisting words to say he's mafia. While the first evidence against you was indeed flavor text (the lurker thing), most of he stuff on you now is how you've reacted to things IMO. Meanwhile Jay only has weird flavor text twisting against him. BTW, I think the reason he hasn't scumhunted yet is there's pretty much him and you on the chopping block. That and I just get a tone of voice thing in yours that makes it seem you're way more concerned about getting lynched than Jay is, which I usually associate with a mafia. What townie wouldn't care about staying alive? A townie has two goals: 1. Stay alive 2. Find scum The first is paramount, as without it you cannot find scum. By staying alive, the townie can help scumhunt as well as aid in the fulfillment of their win condition. So I would expect any townie to work hard to stay alive, as I myself am doing. | ||
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