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On December 20 2011 05:35 Cyber_Cheese wrote: My issue is Sheth being relatively new to forum mafia, more-so than the actual reservation of the spot. Don't get me wrong, I love him as a StarCraft player entirely, but that's a different game. If the reason you're using an invite system in the first place is to ensure people are good at the game, that's what should be done for everybody, regardless of how godly they are in the other aspects of their lives. Ver was really influential in getting me to play any mafia games on the forums. So without him I probably wouldn't have played any here. So thanks again for the invite Ver. And sorry if you feel slighted Cyber! <3 | ||
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On December 20 2011 23:57 kitaman27 wrote: The traitor will obviously be trying to alert the mafia to his presence so if we cut down the flavor, its a lot less likely they will be able to slip in a post about the Eggs Benedict they were eating during the Hey Arnold! marathon. Plus it means GMarshal can't hide his fraudulent arguments in a wall of nonsense Also, ##Vote Liquid`Sheth Don't do it! Chezinu its fine to keep acting weird for a bit, but realize your not helping town by confusing things. I'm not down for killing the hydra, curu and me are buds. | ||
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On December 21 2011 05:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hi everybody. Just finished exams, so it's time to start the game. First thing's first, I'm not going to spend much time trying to guess specific role/game mechanics. Why? Because the set-up is closed, and there's no way to figure it out with no flips (Besides people claiming). Everything else is complete conjecture. The game seems like it's been designed to punish bad play though, so I'm just going to try to not play badly. Also, I think Mafia mechanics if they exist will be built around punishing bad play as well. So stuff like lurker-vigs, claim-vigs, maybe stuff like that, but I'm going to stop now. If people want my general thoughts on possible game mechanics, then I'll post them. Secondly, my thoughts on Chezinu. I'm not going to policy lynch him unless someone can prove he's done something worth lynching him for. There's two possibilities as far as lynching him goes, because I don't see him actually giving up information when pressured. 1) We policy lynch him, and waste all of day 1. 2) We don't lynch him, and as the game goes on, he'll either get shot, or give up more information about himself. (Whether he means to or not). Basically, I don't feel like lynching anyone only because they're useless. I want to lynch someone because they're scummy. Maybe they're scummy and useless, but that's just incidental. Chezinu has the ability to contribute to the town, and so he doesn't make a good policy lynch. What we have to look for is if he's still around later in the game, and then at how he's playing. I don't see him exerting too much influence on the town, so as long as people are aware of him, and deal with him later if he remains unreadable or noncontributory, then I think we're good. Next, BC said he's going to post: Hasn't done so yet, though. I'll give him time, but I think we should pay close attention to players who are lurking. I've had games with BC, Foolishness, and FW where they just lurked as mafia all the way until day 3 or later with minimal contribution to the thread. If a player refuses to help, or contribute, then we should shoot/lynch them before they can make it too far along in the game. This goes for everyone. This sums up everything I think at the moment. I'm reading everything and compartmentalizing things. | ||
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On December 22 2011 00:24 kitaman27 wrote: Foolishness trolling -_- Apparently we're not allowed to touch him because he is too good? I haven't seen any attempt from him to establish himself as a pro-town player. Where is the effort? :/ I find it strange that BC comes in and tells Palmar to step up his game considering he only has one post, while complaining about him discussing neutral topics. He just finished spending three paragraphs describing why RNG is worse than analysis. Of course it is. I was worried Palmar not really pushing his influence on the lynch at first, but he seems to have picked things up. chaoser, would you mind explaining what you think GM is doing? And, GM what are you doing? Finally..... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xTYrk.jpg) Lol cute! I'm here, I'm trying to read through everything. I went to the doctors yesterday, I have a sinus infection and I'm on some pretty sleep inducing drugs. So I'm trying to read everything here its just difficult at the moment. I only ask that you give me 1 more in game day to step up posting here. I realize its very important for everyone to get a read on me and for me to give my oppinion so I will do all of that. I appreciate you bringing up that I'm not posting much here Kita because I need to be. | ||
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I sped read through the posts. I have a general picture of things going on. I don't feel that we have a great case against LSB, but I'd rather lynch then not. I have feelings, but no hard evidence. I'm one of those guys who needs a bit extra time, and yes I'm being apologetic about it. Sorry I didn't have the proper amount of attention to spend on this today. I will only get better, I doubt its possible to get worse then I've posted today. Unless I was Chezinu... | ||
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On December 22 2011 10:27 kitaman27 wrote: I'm also still willing to consider lynching Sheth if others are up for it. No more apologies in future posts. k thx. I'll apologize if I want to. =) | ||
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My apologies! See I'm already finding good use to apologize. :/ | ||
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LSB I dont' think is lieing. Lets get on someone else. That is a role, I think hes correct claiming. If he doesn't shoot someone we'll know by 2morro anyway and we can lynch him. | ||
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On December 24 2011 05:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Nah, I said I got a weird feeling from Palmar, not that he was necessarily scum. I was disagreeing with GMarshal's assessment that he was playing exactly to his meta. Sheth is scummy for lurking, but also because of how he is lurking. He has enough time to read the thread and post in the other game he was in, but all he can do in this one is quote and say "I agree?", that's pretty bad. Also, I don't care how good BC is playing, but right now, he's just kind've gliding along as an inactive/lurker. He said he'd be busy on day 1, which implies that he'll be back to post on day 2. If he doesn't, then I find it likely he's scum. It's the same thing FW did in Personality mafia, where he would just come in with a post every now and then and make excuses. It's day 2, and we have 4 vets, RoL, BC, Foolishness, and L, who haven't actually bothered to commit to anything with regards to other players. They aren't all going to be town, and there's no way they're all scum. So, some of them are just not doing (or at least contributing) anything as town. Also, the difference between GM's post and mine, was I just wanted to give a quick summary of my reads in case I was dead. GM's was his grand contribution to make up for a whole 48 hours of lurking, and was meant to astound us and completely redeem him for his scummy behaviour. It wasn't just that GM called people scum for bad reasons, but also because those were the only reasons he could come up with when his life was probably (and almost literally) on the line, when it came to finding scum. I've said more then that. I'm just trying to read everything and keep up. I tried to defend LSB. Anyway I'll try to post what I can, but honestly I'm not thinking that well. Just these meds make it somewhat difficult to gather a complicated case. If you want your welcome to lynch me because of that, but I'm still trying my best. Anyway if you have any questions feel free to direct them my way and I'll answer them. | ||
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On December 24 2011 08:27 chaoser wrote: I am also open to a Sheth lynch I'd really rather you not. I'm sorry for being inactive lately. However I'd understand if you want to, however realize your just hurting town with it. | ||
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 Anyway just saying hi again and letting you know I still feel guilty for not scum hunting yet.. Will get to it ASAP.. | ||
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##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Just until I can read everyones cases and so forth, I only read the case against BC. | ||
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If one of Syllogism / L are mafia then the other is town. Chezinu was giving me a very town feeling, but hasn't posted in a long time. What are your thoughts on how everyone was killed this night, or even last night? BumatLarge if your a vig why were you so sure that LSB was lieing and voted against him? Do you think Kita is mafia? Prplhz you are the one person who is cleared town to me. After reading the problems with the first night we both came up with the same logic. That VE vig shot GM and that GM was roleblocked from killing someone. And then that the other 2 were Mafia KP. Since then, However BC shooting GM has since changed things. RoL you claim vig and that you shot Bloody Cobbler this is interesting. You also voted for Chezinu the first night. Was there a reason you didn't hop on the LSB bandwagon? And you disagreed with prplhz's theory about how night one went down. I find this interesting as well. Kitaman you are actually my one fairly good read on being scum. Just because of how you've played this game. You went after a lurker (myself) which is understandable, but after it not working (me not posting because I was just sick and busy with other things honestly) you still kept on me and didn't really go scum hunting elsewhere. You also were against some of foolishness' reasoning and have just had very scummy play overall. Your my for sure read on who is mafia and who'd I'd prefer to lynch tonight. Sylogism Bugs asked what you thought at one point during the game. You were negative towards Bumatlarge. And you and L are arguing quite a bit. I'm really not sure on you honestly. Null read. L You've had good logic. You voted for Palmar day one which I find weird. I have a null read on you as well. Other then thinking that either BOTH you and sylogism are town or 1 is town 1 is mafia I really don't have a great read. I think there is very likely no chance your both mafia. So thats where I'm at right now. Rebirth of Legend, were you hit and just lied about it earlier? | ||
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This is purely many little things, some bigger things and everything I find even remotely fishy about "Kitaman27" Right off the bat early on in the game he noticed the vote count was off. And he had already voted something. For me when I'm town I never look at the voting count amount until much later. He was curious about both "chaoser and gm" for quite a big part of the early game. Pretty much his only post besides worrying about a lurker (Sheth, myself). He also "Expects more" from Foolishness, BC and GM" So, so far he has been curious or expected more from 4 confirmed townies and myself who is a townie as well. He then proceeds to say that it is tough to make a serious case against someone who only has two posts containing information he then says though that it is "not half-hearted". This is a blatant contradiction, its very hard to tell anything from just two posts and I find it weird that he wants to push someone based off of two posts. He then uses the words "would like to see him dead" When the Vigilante showdown AKA "LSB vs GM two vigilantes of different names" occurred his solution was terrible from a town point of view. He wanted them to have one shoot the other one and for the other one to shoot someone who "appears townie". This was I believe the first time I really looked at Kita as Scum . This seems to me silly, because it ends up killing everyone, not really helping us by giving us information and in the end is just a bad idea. We'd like our vigilantes to stay alive as at that point we really didn't know how many we had. I'm sure you can figure out the other reasons this was a bad idea. He then is not suspicious of RoL, but says that he "hopes to hear from RoL". This doesn't seem at all negative and if RoL is mafia as well as Kita it points to Kita reminding RoL to post here more. He then says that he wouldn't mind putting 7-8 votes on a lurker (Sheth, myself), but then really never tries to do that at all. He almost instantly changes his thought process and goes after someone else. Honestly I think it would have been smart to try and put more votes on me. I wouldn't have answered, but if I was just scumlurking then it would have pressured me out into at least saying something. He is then very curious about GM and his role and if he is roleblocked. I think it VERY likely that GM was in fact roleblocked. He was the obvious best choice for mafia to role block hands down. Kitaman27 then proceeds to ask "Would your bullet be refunded?" He is very curious about this townies power and what would happen if he was roleblocked. Just an interesting point for sure. He then proceeds to say in his big list that he is "leaning town on bugs" and that his main lynch candidate is on Prplhz. I don't know why he stopped pressuring the lurker (myself) or why he instantly went onto Prplhz here. I was very happy with what I'd seen from prplhz at this point. Syllogism was as well, pointing out that "prplhz has appeared very protown". Bugs then proceeded to try and start suspicion against Prplhz by asking if he was just bad in general or only as scum. Something I also thought was out of place. This didn't go anywhere and then he Bugs proceeds to switch his case onto BC when no one else agrees with voting out Prplhz. Kitaman27 has never really caused ANYONE major pressure. He hasn't had a passion of scum hunting. He has in the end done very nearly nothing for us. He should have at least kept up his pressure on the lurker (Myself) and been more passionate against Prplhz if he truly felt he was scummy. He then lists his ideal scumteam of -Foolishness, BC, Prplhz and L. 2 of which are confirmed town. Prplhz is just about confirmed town to me and then L. So he scum team is already been proven 2/4 wrong and almost 3/4 wrong. He also doesn't think I'm scum at all in these posts. Again going along with the theme of not really pressuring anyone, but merely putting some small spotlight onto these 4. After Prplhz reveals that he had killed WhereBugsGo Kita says sorry for accusing Prplhz. He was very against apologizing early and one of the reads early that we had was that in most cases here scum would be apologetic and simply try not to die by lynch or agravating someone by trigger or simply vig shot. As town is somewhat killing itself by shooting itself (vig shots). So at this point this post could be dangerous as well. Any, one or some of these posts taken separately wouldn't strike a chord. However all of them together ring in my ears. KitaMan27 is Scum | ||
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On December 29 2011 03:59 prplhz wrote: Didn't you read the thread at all? Both L and I have already put up our arguments, syllogism agrees. Chezinu stopped posting at 1999 posts, and he hasn't posted or voted for 5 straight days. Look at how apathetic RebirthOfLeGenD is right now in face of getting lynched at lylo. He doesn't care at all because he's scum and because he's getting bussed. If you were townie and you were getting lynched and that lynch would cost town the game, wouldn't you fight a lot harder than this? He's just posting one liners and not caring about anything at all, because he is getting bussed. L's first real contribution in this game is a case on RebirthOfLeGenD full of stuff that he could just as easily have pointed out yesterday. Pretty much it doesn't matter if you think that kitaman27 is scum right now because we're lynching RebirthOfLeGenD and we need everybody to help out. Unless you are sure that RebirthOfLeGenD is town then you are going to vote him. Your entire case for RebirthOfLeGenD being town is "his story is just so weird", is that better than the arguments that L and I put forth? Totally unrelated, it's insane that Foolishness identified both wherebugsgo and L as scum on day1. Yes I read the thread prplhz. I've read your argument against RoL. L and syllogism just went onto your bus and accepted him quietly. Chezinu hasn't posted yes, I see that. Thanks for posting some more against RoL though, thats what I was looking for. I agree that RoL should definetly be fighting much harder to not be killed here. As this is pretty much our last thought. I agree, with your logic on this and I'm happy to be voting RoL here. I'll put me vote for him right here as well. Foolishness did have some very good calls, I'll give him that. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend | ||
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I'm not sure the whole mafia team is roleblockers, but I can see that a lot of roleblocks have been used. However I don't know why roleblockers would have blocked Chezinu at all and then why he hasn't posted for a while. I want more information out of him. I understand your reasoning to kill LSB, but I think we would have found out that information without us lynching him. We might have found out a lot more had we not in fact. Regardless I don't like your ending sentence. You are so actively against voting for RoL. You realize if your not mafia, prplhz isn't mafia, rol or chezinu isn't mafia and you think both myself and L are mafia then one of either syllogism or kitaman is mafia too. I know I'm not mafia, meaning in your scenario both syllogism and kitaman are mafia. I'm not a huge fan of your logic here honestly. It worries me. As already said, I don't think L and Syllogism are both mafia together. Meaning one of RoL, yourself or Chezinu is mafia in place of them. This just gets more and more interesting. | ||
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On December 29 2011 06:46 bumatlarge wrote: Yeah it's only getting interesting to you now because now is the only time you need to play the game. I'm not retracting anything scum. The basis behind RoL's lynch is that either he or chez lied about being roleblocked? Think about the set-up for half a second and it would make sense. Chezinu was blocked because he's blue, all the town is if that hasn't occured to mafia yet. Would you like to claim? No, I don't want to claim. Interesting Kita interesting... Prplhz I have proof RoL is telling the truth! Who do you recomend we go to. And sorry RoL for not believing you. Pretty crazy game though! | ||
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On December 29 2011 06:52 kitaman27 wrote: How is me pointing out a flaw in the voting bot even relevant? I noticed it counted a vote which I didn't make and pointed it out. Why does that make me scum? It doesn't at all, its just something I noted. I wrote everything that I thought was weird. Also, I didn't even realize you had ever played a forum game as town. Could you link me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384¤tpage=All It was because I did expect more from Foolishness, BC and GM. They were being pretty useless and I brought them up. Indeed, 3 townies. Its just a percentage call. Just something that to me added .001% to the case against you. Your analysis completely falls apart at this point. In fact, you come off looking pretty hypocritical. My proposed plan was that one of the two shoots the other, while the other shoots a scum suspect. I still feel this was the best proposed solution to the GM/LSB counter claim. This is what you proposed instead: This plan by me was terrible! I change my plan about 2 minutes after it to my no lynch policy that night. It was a panic post because I was 90% sure LSB wasn't lieing. My plan was exactly the same as yours, except mine yielded us an additional vig shot to shoot scum. If my plan was "terrible" from a town perspective and my plan was better than yours, what does that make your plan? As I said above, my plan was terrible. Thats why I changed it. You say this is the first time I became part of your radar because you want the vigilantes to stay alive. According to your plan, they would both be dead night one! Wait, so my plan was a good one, but I'm scum because other people didn't follow it? Its scum because you didn't try and get other people to follow it. You just suggested it and walked away. Its almost like you could follow town think a ways, but couldn't follow it too far. This could be way off, but again its something that added a small percentage to you as well. Now you're just trying to skew my posts. I was arguing with L because he seemed to think that GM lied about his shots. I think that is crazy and stated as so. I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. You were asking very specific questions about how roleblock affects a vigilante. Especially now doesn't this seem like something mafia would like to know, especially if they don't kill him that night. I admit my reads have been off this game, but at least I'm trying to share my opinion. Don't say I'm not trying to scum hunt, when your first real post hasn't come until more than a week into the game. Just because I've been absent doesn't mean I can't say the truth from my perspective. I thought you wanted me to be posting here more. think that is crazy and stated as so. I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. lolol I asked you to stop apologizing because you did so in every single post. I was wrong on prpl and I'm allowed to say sorry. Overall, everything just looks really weak. I'll write something up against L later today. My last post here was pretty pointless, I'll admit that. However your defense hasn't swayed me. I still am very worried about you being mafia. What do you think about me saying I'm sure RoL is telling the truth and thus town? I can prove this, so please be careful on how you answer. Also, if RoL is safe, and I feel prplhz is safe, that leaves 6 and 3 of which are mafia. 2 of which are me and you, now I know you think I'm mafia, but I'm not, so assume I'm not for this test. And you ofc will assume your not mafia. So 3/4 of those others are now mafia. Please I'm very curious your thoughts on this situation. L / Syllogism / Chezinu / Bumatlarge would be the 4. Do you think this situation isn't possible? I veer off point here. Bumatlarge I also am VERY curious about one of your posts. You change your oppinion on chezinu VERY quickly for no apparent reason. You go from something like "well I really don't have any idea whether chezinu is mafia or not" to I think chezinu is town and anyone who votes for him is stupid. Please explain that ? I'm REALLY curious about this seeming slip. | ||
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On December 29 2011 07:02 syllogism wrote: Sheth care to share the proof? Happily after I've heard everyone's responses to this. Especially Bum's. What do you think about my point that I think you and L aren't scum together and that if one of you is, the other isn't? | ||
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And I never said those 4 were scum. I said 3/4 would have to be scum, you didn't really read my post very well you kind of just chopped my post into small quotes and answered them out of context. Would you please just answer this one thing for me? (What do you think about RoL saying he shot BC and is thus town?) | ||
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On December 29 2011 07:54 syllogism wrote: Are you saying that because he claimed to have shot BC he is town? That is completely inconclusive as scum have some sort of list of blues, might have similar vig roles as town and so many people died last night that it isn't possible to even know who shot BC. It's even possible for scum to use regular night KP to kill someone and then claim a vig shot, though no way scum would have used normal night KP on BC in this situation. I think it's very likely that he did shoot BC, however. No, not quite. That's pretty close to it though in my opinion. Do you want me to explain the logic I have for it now, or wait till bum has responded to it ? I'm fine either way, and I feel L is mafia so I trust you as third likely town next to prplhz / rol. | ||
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Our first night we have 5 deaths. We all know Chaoser killed Palmar. 4 left. Then its Gmarshal, VisceraEyes, Jackal and Samuel. Here its gotten tricky and we've had lots of confusion figuring this out. I'm not going to go into who caused a lot of the confusion but I think scum tried to take advantage of a lucky situation and I think no one figured out quite what did happen here. I'd like to suggest my opinion on it which I feel very confident in. 4 people are left unaccounted for. GM, VE, Jackal and Sam. Now BC claimed he shot GM and was proven correct. That leaves 3 unaccounted for. Sam + Jackal I can see as mafia doing 2 kp. I feel like in a small group like this mafia while still 4 having any more then 2 kp would be pretty insane honestly. This is the point pretty much my whole theory relies on. What about VE then? I think he shot GM as well and simply had to die based on his type of Vig shot. I think this was hinted at quite a bit as well when VE told me if I didn't vote something bad would happen to me at night, I think he simply chose to use this ability on GM. Heres the logic that hasn't been explained yet I think. He Thought GM was lieing, because he had LSB's exact job. He was that suicide vig and he was named Overtly Righteous Vigilante or whatever it was called. So because of this it made sense for him to use his power on GM. This caused the confusion here and led to what I believe to have happened. This idea and some others simply lead to the fact mafia have 2kp. This is the point I'm trying to prove from this and what I think you should take out of it. Next we get into the 6 who died this last night. GGC, BC, Chaoser, Wiggles, Foolishness, WBG. This has been tricky to pin down as well. If we believe Mafia had 2 kp, I think its somewhat obvious they'd kill Chaoser a confirmed blue and Foolishness who was really breathing down WBG's back, this isn't too important I'm just picking two for mafia to have called. This leaves 4 kills uncalled for. Prplhz killed WBG, I think thats obvious. So now were at 3 kills left over. Theres no real way to tell for sure how they killed each other but I think its easy to go about it logically. This leaves BC, GGC, and Wiggles. I don't see a really logical way for them to have town killed each other except for with help. The chances that GGC killed BC who killed Wiggles who killed GGC is pretty ridiculously small. I think the best and obvious chance is that one of those 3 was killed by outside influence. This was when RoL claimed that he shot BC. I find this much more believable then any other alternative. GGC and Wiggles perhaps one targeted the other with a suicide vig or perhaps did something else that resulted in them being killed (perhaps both targeting BC). So, with mafia kp at 2, and these 3 left with no one claiming I think it only makes sense that someone killed one of the 3 outside of those 3, and if no one is countering RoL's claim I believe him and I think its proof enough that hes innocent. This is what my "proof" boils down to, and I wish it was more concrete, but I believed it was true and still do. | ||
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On December 29 2011 10:04 L wrote: Two mistakes. The first is that GM supposedly shot RoL day 1, and that chez was rb'd that night. He claimed he isn't a vet, so how did he survive? The second is that mafia can call shots because they have kp. Shooting someone doesn't make you a townie. Shooting a mafia member does. Prplhz is either a vig or an sk, and I'd put my money on vig. Additionally, go read GGC's and Wiggle's filters; You'll find something interesting in there. GM was roleblocked for my first "mistake" your second point isn't really pointing out a mistake at all. I'll go read through their filter later I suppose. | ||
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On December 29 2011 10:04 L wrote: Two mistakes. The first is that GM supposedly shot RoL day 1, and that chez was rb'd that night. He claimed he isn't a vet, so how did he survive? The second is that mafia can call shots because they have kp. Shooting someone doesn't make you a townie. Shooting a mafia member does. Prplhz is either a vig or an sk, and I'd put my money on vig. Additionally, go read GGC's and Wiggle's filters; You'll find something interesting in there. For the "First" mistake, GM was roleblocked I believe, which leaves either 2 RB's, or that Chez was lieing and is mafia, or that Chez is insane. Your "second" point isn't really a mistake. I'll read their filters later. This was what I was trying to post. | ||
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On December 29 2011 10:12 prplhz wrote: @Liquid`Sheth BloodyC0bbler killed GMarshal. Your entire scenario exonerating RebirthOfLeGenD is just you assuming that mafia only has 2KP, frantically trying to explain this scenario without supporting it with any arguments at all, and then concluding that RebirthOfLeGenD shot BloodyC0bbler. RebirthOfLeGenD most likely shot BloodyC0bbler but that tells us nothing about his alignment because BloodyC0bbler flipped green. If you think you have proved that RebirthOfLeGenD is town, then why are you still voting him? You guys realize that we can't split between L and RebirthOfLeGenD even though they're both scum right? We need 5 votes to lynch a scum, we actually need to pile ALL of our 8 votes onto one single candidate or else scum can do a last second switch and force no lynch which will end the game. There are good arguments for both of these guys being scum so we need to pick a wagon and then go with it. This means that tomorrow people are going to pile votes on whoever has the most votes, no matter what they believe. Even a single town vote in the wrong place will end the game. I believe both BloodyC0bbler and VisceraEyes killed Gmarshal. If you believe RoL most likely shot BC then that means hes town.. unless your saying he just used a mafia KP. If that was the case, we'd have the scenario of 3 again, because no one is claiming another hit. So it does in fact prove that RoL is a town vigi or a SK or a mafia extra KP and the logical way to look at it is that hes a town vigi. | ||
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On December 29 2011 19:20 syllogism wrote: Sheth: That's not "proof" at all, but I agree with L being the safest lynch today ##vote L Yea it sounded great in my head initially, and I still think its the greatest percentage though. That was something you taught me, just to go with what you think is the simplest thing and it probably is. ##Unvote RebirthofLegend ##Vote L | ||
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! Which leaves Kita and this guy posting above me. This is going to be a fun night. I'm going to bed now, will try and post some more in the morning with what I think is smart to do. | ||
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We also know theres a roleblocker, and were not sure if it was L or not. Would be interesting to see how many vig shots we can do, and if we'd like to reach a town concensus to use it this round. I'll leave it at that for now. | ||
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Leaning town heavily: Prplhz Syllogism RoL Myself Leaning scum Kita Meapak Borderlands Bum | ||
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On December 31 2011 02:54 bumatlarge wrote: I doubt kita is scum. He has had extremely similar play to myself if you disregard the chez era. Sure L, could have been a bus, but if we were both scum, we could have simply unvoted without fear and won the game? If only one of us, then Chez obviously take precedence. I never hinted at chez being confirmed town at all. Just the oposite. I just feel bad for meapak. He didn't hammer a vote on to L, which seems rather straightforward if there are already 5 townies on L. Anyone not pushing meapak tomorrow needs to share with the class. This is something that I disagree with. If you all took your votes off, there would have been a no-lynch on l. Then its 5-3 at night, you'll have two KP. However town now KNOWS who the 3 are. I didn't say this earlier, because I was hoping they would do this. So hopefully town has 1-2 shots of their own. So at the end of the night its probably 3-2 town ahead, which leads to a 3-1 town after the lynch and then 2-1, and town wins. Thats with only 1 kp vig shot. Just pointing out I think your logic is wrong bum, and you pointing that out as logic for why your not mafia is scary to me. Your reads are also a bit weird, why do you say "everyone else" : who cares. I care about each and every one of you. :/ | ||
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Bum, after looking into him, I get a fairly good town read on him. Prplhz your confirmed town in my book. Syll you are also pretty much confirmed town. 4th and last townie (Chez / RoL) I really think RoL is a townie as I've been saying so I'm pretty sure Chez is mafia. After re-filtering through their posts I think there not both mafia, which leaves one of them as town. (There posts didn't seem to go together if they were both mafia imo) And this ends up leaving just Kita as my other mafia read. I've explained before some of my reasons for why I think hes mafia and I'm sticking with them. We have 20 minutes left till night ends. Come on guys, give me information O.O! | ||
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Side point : Really suprised L -- Syl were both mafia, well played you two. | ||
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This was why despite not posting in the thread much / at all, I posted in the defense of LSB right away. This was because he and I shared the same name of the roll. We were both Overly Righteous Vigilantes. Without re-reading the rules exactly I figured mafia wouldn't have knowledge of the rolls quite that well and if they did I doubted LSB would have been allowed to get lynched day 1 like that so easily. Also I wasn't sure mafia would like to reveal they had that close of an idea of roles. Like that they even knew the exact name. At this point I wasn't sure how many people would be vigilantes so I thought it a waste to kill him. I guess that doesn't completely clear me of doubt, but thats what I am. | ||
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On December 31 2011 14:25 kitaman27 wrote: Look through his filter. He was completely useless the entire game, never bringing up a case against a single player. Him randomly coming out and positioning himself for a mislynch at LYLO was the tipping point. I was considering shooting you, but you never set off my trigger. I read through his filter right before I did my shot. It actually led to me not shooting you. I just was worried about him and thinking that was a possibility and then decided to go with chez. I was planning on shooting you for about 23 hours of today... | ||
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This is directed at everyone, but the one scum here. | ||
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On January 02 2012 01:44 kitaman27 wrote: I do not have my shot anymore. However, if you were a real vig, you would know that shots are not refunded if multiple players overlap on the same target. Can another vig confirm this fact? What are you trying to pull Meapak? :/ Happy New Years! I can verify this from asking Ver myself. I'm not the mafia left, why would I claim shooting Meapak otherwise? I got roleblocked. This could be a meta play because they assumed I would shoot Kita or it could be just them trying to save Kita. Either way, if you want to check my validity we can wait another night and your welcome to tell me who to shoot. However there is always the chance I'll just continue to be blocked until the end. Think again about why I'd be so adamant to save LSB earlier. Its not because I'm mafia and have a list of the names of jobs, if I did there is no way I would have came out and said that sort of thing. And I wasn't taking a huge interest at the time, due to me being really sick, but once I saw something I new I could prevent as town I tried my best to stop it. I'm not sure yet who is scum, but I'll try and re-read some filters before tonight. As of now I actually think Meapak is clean, he called the hit previous to the night phase. And it happened. So hes clear, prpl is clear I know I'm clear and that leaves only RoL Bum and Kita. From my own previous logic I think RoL is clean, and I've definetly been leaning bum is clean as well. So all in all, as of right now before double checking all of this I'm thinking either Bum or Kita. I think if we can manage to kill bum / kita we should be fine. If we lynched one of those two tonight, I can kill the other unless I'm rb'ed, but there are chances that Syllo was the RB'er. Anyway thats what I'm at right now. | ||
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I assumed L and Syllogism weren't on the same team because of the way they were agressive to each other early in the game. Turns out syllogism is just agressive to his team mates. As to switching to L from RoL, you have that completely wrong. I was the one who said I have proof that RoL isn't mafia. I actually got the lynch switching from RoL to L and if I had just wanted to keep the lynch on RoL I wouldn't have done that. You've posted no logical reason I'd say that LSB wasn't mafia if I was mafia. I have his same role that was why I did that early on. I was debating whether to shoot Kita or Meapak pretty much all the time that night. At the end I decided that one of RoL or Chezinu was probably mafia and that while I thought you (Kita) were mafia I was slightly more sure it was Chezinu. And Kita, saying you've gotten two scum killed this game? Huh!? I really dislike your play quite a lot. And I'm still leaning towards you as scum. If you do lynch me, please lynch Kita the next turn. Or Bum have Kita get mad. Everyone should get "mad" as well so we have that kill shot as an option. For that purpose AH BUM YOUR A JERK AND IM MAD AT YOU. There, now if nothing else you can vig shot me, and I can vig shot someone this coming night, and at least one will get through even if a roleblocker is still around. I'm fine with this, for instance just have me *shoot* someone at night, your welcome to decide who, and have bumatlarge "shoot" me at night. After our lynch it'll bring it down to 2-1 then. If bumatlarge is rollblocked, it will be telling for me being mafia because I'll either have shot someone or not. I don't think 1 mafia can rollblock twice. And if bumatlarge's shot does go through well, then I'm dead and you'll know that I was town and we'll have had one more lynch as opposed to having 2 possible night phases. This is a much superior idea then just lynching me I think. If we do lynch me, we go down to 4-1, then its 3-1. Then you have one more chance to geuss and it'll be down to 2-1 and then 1-1 and mafia wins. So not lynching me, lynching Kita or RoL for instance and then having bum shoot, and myself shoot will allow us to eliminate the ammount of nights and increase our percentage to get the mafia. I'd rather have 3 townie shots and only 1 mafia shot, to 3 townie shots and 2 mafia shots. Please, this makes a lot more sense. At least think it through. I'm REALLY not mafia and lynching me would be a mistake. | ||
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Have myself shoot Kita, Bum shoot me. Then this leads to problems too. It actually isn't that beneficial to do it this way as I originally thought. My suicidal part of the vigilante leads to problems(Possibly causing this day to be lylo). I'm really not mafia though, Please consider someone else to lynch then myself. I'll keep considering an idea that works better hten simply lynching me. There has to be a good way for me to use my power to prove that one of us is town (me or bum). | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Tok4J.jpg) Liquid`Sheth Typed out GG in standard manner fashion. As he finished typing it, Kita took him out with a dasterdly sneak attack. Bleh he typed out his last words.. | ||
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On January 08 2012 14:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Now that this has been posted, thank you from the bottom of my heart for not screwing up bum. Except for trying to shoot RoL ofc LOL How you could try and shoot him, and the fact that it failed prove that RoL is townie. That logic >< | ||
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