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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 21 2011 13:34 GMT
#384
If there is plenty of information to go by in the thread, who else do you find scummy?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 21 2011 18:43 GMT
#415
None of that sounds actually useful as too much is being assumed and there is no reason to believe the assumptions are more likely/accurate than traditional reads. In fact, a lot of the reads you stated overlap with typical scum behaviour.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 21 2011 18:52 GMT
#419
On December 22 2011 03:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
BC, where are you?

Can any of the older vets tell me how BC plays in their experience?

In my experience, when he's town, he is motivated, and posts actively. For example, here's his filter from PTP2:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008&user=10200

XLVII:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=10200

In both games, he's active, and contributing. In both games, you get the feeling he actually cares about what's happening, and wants to have an influence on the game.

Now contrast that to:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=10200

One post, that's completely vacuous. Almost everything he says has either already been said, or is useless. This runs completely against my experience with townie BC, and is very similar to my experience with scum BC.

In any case, I want him to post more.

##Vote: BloodyC0bbler

What do people think?

@prplhz: I'd rate it as pretty bad. Kind've reminds me of what I did in Mini Mafia X. In any case, I want to see what GM has to say now, to see whether it's BS, or something that's actually contributory.

I completely agree and think he is a good lynch candidate for the day.

As a side note, I find it quite annoying how many people accepted the invite despite being too busy to actually play the game as they can't all be mafia. Just look at the length of the replacement queue; I would wager the vast majority of them would be willing to put more effort into the game than the people currently playing.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 21 2011 21:11 GMT
#447
Palmar: L's vote is pretty ridiculous, but it seems strange from mafia point of view as well considering the thread was dead and there was no need to divert attention elsewhere. It seems more like a poorly thought of angry town reaction to your irrelevant quibble with his setup analysis.

GM please no more setup analysis, who would you lynch?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 21 2011 21:21 GMT
#450
On December 22 2011 06:16 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 06:11 syllogism wrote:
Palmar: L's vote is pretty ridiculous, but it seems strange from mafia point of view as well considering the thread was dead and there was no need to divert attention elsewhere. It seems more like a poorly thought of angry town reaction to your irrelevant quibble with his setup analysis.

GM please no more setup analysis, who would you lynch?


I'm more interested in who you want to lynch.

I'm still partial to GM if that's all he has got. It seems strange that he decided to spend his time writing more setup analysis when we've 6(?) hours until lynch. Lurking by bc/rol/ggq et al seems more of a null tell based on Ver's post, so I'm now less inclined to lynch someone who is clearly completely away.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 21 2011 22:18 GMT
#470
GM you say you don't get the usual feel of LSB's town play, so does this mean you are leaning scum or null? Why did you find it necessary to explain why you were commenting on him when it should be quite obvious as he is in fact the current leading candidate
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 21 2011 22:50 GMT
#485
I'm always auto-town. I've been waiting for you all day actually, it was you who was doing it wrong
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 21 2011 22:56 GMT
#487
Anyway, I'm starting to consider LSB the better lynch out of GM/LSB, despite finding WBG's initial case quite stupid. GM's post is a bit strange, but I think him not reading carefully is more of a null or even slightly leaning town read. In a situation where he is already being pressured I think he would be more careful as scum. I do however agree with your points on LSB and even GM's point about him lacking confidence.

##vote LSB
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 21 2011 23:03 GMT
#494
Hmm good point, though it's an extended majority lynch though and he is only at 6
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 22 2011 10:28 GMT
#690
I too don't think GM's claim makes any sense from scum point of view, unless he was really concerned about being shot tonight and there was no better claim available. It also definitely doesn't make sense to fake claim a role that isn't present in the game or at least on the list of possible roles, as even without flips we can safely assume townies who are about to be lynched aren't lying. I guess it's possible that they were given a partial list and LSB's role wasn't on it and GM posted without thinking but that is very unlikely.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 22 2011 14:01 GMT
#695
RoL you placeholder voted Chezinu and then never returned. I've a hard time believing you were too busy to even chime in on the lynch
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 23 2011 00:20 GMT
#717
Bum you never really explained why you found LSB scummy. The closest thing for explaining your vote was when you said you liked GM's claim more than LSB's and a bit earlier said "LSB has been spouting nonsense", which are both quite poor justifications for voting someone. As far as I can tell you didn't even state that you agreed with someone else's analysis on him. Actually don't think you explained why you found Palmar or foolishness scummy either.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 23 2011 09:44 GMT
#809
There is no way GM would lie about his target. No townie would lie in that situation; he could have just posted it a bit earlier if the intention was to mislead mafia and given how his role supposedly works, lying would be incredibly anti-town. If someone else has the same role as GM it might be worth claiming to determine whether RoL surviving semi-confirms him.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 23 2011 19:10 GMT
#820
Jackal as a n1 mafia kill seems bizarre to me unless NKs are based on some sort of triggers as well. He only pushed for LSB and didn't post anything relevant during the night

@GGQ: do you believe mafia has two role blockers or that chezinu is lying? One of the two have to be true for your scenario to be possible

Wiggles: what exactly did you mean here

What are the chances someone claims RB in the morning, though? That means we're either going to have to lynch them out of principle, or deal with bullshit for the next couple days. What do people plan to do, when someone claims RB, or claims their shot but the target doesn't die (vet or protected)? I see this as pretty likely to happen, regardless of if one is scum or not.

Why did you consider such a scenario likely? Do you have the list of blues? Even if the setup has a bunch of vets/medics, it actually seems quite unlikely for a town vig to hit someone who is medic protected. Regardless, now that something like that has happened, what do you think should be done with RoL? Despite flipping traitor, I think Palmar was ironically right about you
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 23 2011 19:26 GMT
#822
If that's a waste of time, could you tell us who you would lynch? You placeholder voted yesterday and I don't see a single hint in your filter of you even implying who you find scummy
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 24 2011 00:24 GMT
#849
@Chaoser: That "new style" post was done pre-game and it was basically an inside joke. There is nothing inconsistent with my switch from GM to LSB and stating you agree with someone else's reasoning is the same (or actually better) as repeating it word by word. Then what are those two post quotes intended to demonstrate? Laziness? Yes, that is how I play. The notion that you have to add to the existing case or even make up your own reasons to support a lynch is erroneous. All that is required is a "paper trail" so you can for instance be held accountable for inconsistencies and such. Bum voted without saying anything at all and also did the same with his other reads. This may be an indication of his alignment or of his laziness, but regardless I would be very interested to hear his reasoning.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 24 2011 10:25 GMT
#861
On December 24 2011 15:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 04:26 syllogism wrote:
If that's a waste of time, could you tell us who you would lynch? You placeholder voted yesterday and I don't see a single hint in your filter of you even implying who you find scummy


Who do you find scummy syllo? So far today, the only thing you have done is show up to defend yourself about the change in play style comment. What do you think about prplhz?

This looks exactly like his town play and would be pretty much the last person I would lynch today. I would like to lynch one of the people who have apparently decided not to play the game as by this point it's far more likely that they aren't just busy but rather are using it as a cover. Out of them BC would be my #1 choice.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 26 2011 15:45 GMT
#895
BC can you full claim; for some reason you didn't despite being asked to earlier. I find it curious that you found it a good idea to "waste" your shot like that in the light of your filter suggesting that you were suspicious of Palmar who had been pushing GM for most of day 1.

##vote BloodyC0bbler
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 28 2011 09:50 GMT
#961
Well at least one out of RoL and Chezinu is definitely mafia. I would like to hear from Chezinu first but the situation has been covered quite adequately above.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
December 28 2011 11:14 GMT
#963
Purely based on balance I think it's quite likely that he is mafia and also due to him still being alive. This is somewhat complicated by the possibility of mafia KP also being trigger based. However based on the effort he has put into the game and the content of the posts he looks ok. Foolishness breadcrumbed shooting him, which either means scum RBed foolishness, there was a scum (?) medic on L, or foolishness was a suicide vig who doesn't kill his target. I think the RB scenario is most likely, but since foolishness never stated that he suspected L, this doesn't say anything about L. If he was RBed, the reason is more likely his suspicion of WBG and RoL. In conclusion I don't think he is the best lynch today, but if we hit scum today and he survives another night, he should be looked into again.
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