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All that talk is pretty silly VisceraEyes, people shouldn't really have a public rigid opinion on this because if GMarshal is town then scum is more uncertain what to do if people don't say "If GMarshal doesn't do X before Y then Z". I think GMarshal knows what he has to do if he is town, and if he doesn't do this then he's going to be in big trouble no matter what opinion people might have right now, but anyway lets keep scum in the dark about just this. So, what do you think about Jackal58? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler His first post isn't very impressive. His second post has already been commented on. It appears to me that he is soft blue claiming in the very first paragraph, by saying that bumatlarge and Chezinu are making sense when they're talking about the setup (which I think they were?). He says it in a way that would make people think that he knows something about the setup too, but not in a very subtle way like he wants everybody to know. This looks like a soft blue claim to me but I have no idea why he is doing it at this point. Also in the first paragraph he says "Their posts illustrate what I am saying.", well dude, you haven't said a thing yet. That is your 7th sentence in this game. The rest of your post doesn't say anything that looks like it is remotely related to what bumatlarge and Chezinu might have been talking about, so this makes little sense to me. His next paragraphs says "everybody sucks, RNG sucks" which has already been commented on by other people, we were beyond talking about RNG at this point, why didn't he just move on if he doesn't want people to talk about RNG? He finishes his post by making a half assed accusation against Palmar for not contributing any original content. Pot kettle black. His third and latest post to date starts by pointing out something that Foolishness already pointed out. He then defends GMarshal for suggesting a policy lynch saying that "hydras ruin games" and "lets kill the hydra because he's a hydra" isn't terrible. This is odd to me because it is a terrible accusation that GMarshal came up with there, just because Protactinium or whatever ruined a game 100 years ago doesn't mean that policy lynching a hydra now is a good idea. It's like he's grasping for straws to defend GMarshal, I don't understand why because the case against GMarshal was decent and the pressure was not misplaced at all. Next paragraph he again goes for Palmar because Palmar pointed out that BloodyC0bbler was addressing something that wasn't relevant to the thread anyway, and by doing this BloodyC0bbler again talks about something that is not relevant to the thread anymore. We are past RNG here, talk about it post game, there was no need to comment and just because Palmar was apparently stupid in thinking that RNG is alright, BloodyC0bbler isn't adding anything to the thread here. It is statements like "Now, I only respond to these posts as he was tossing shit my way for my play.", he feel the need to justify that he's defending himself, dude why don't you just play better and put effort into something that isn't defending yourself? Then nobody will be on your back. In the end he concludes that Palmar is likely town. Then why the hell these first paragraphs? You are going for Palmar for over half of your post and then you say "Yea he's probably town because of that thing Foolishness said". Again, you are not adding anything to this thread, you are only trying to take stuff out of it. Only in the last two paragraphs does he actually do something that isn't counter attacking Palmar for his very accurate comment on BloodyC0bbler's posting. This is alright, and it's a very early committal vote on LSB who was acting weird, the only problem I have is that BloodyC0bbler says "So until he comes out with anything substantial to keep him alive im voting him.", but BloodyC0bbler never returns to the thread. It's like he's placed his vote and then he doesn't really care anymore. If he had been in the thread at any point I believe he would have commented on the whole claim and counter claim thing, that seems like something that might have shaken his belief in this lynch but he doesn't, he just disappears from the thread once he's placed his vote. Overall I also think BloodyC0bbler seems excessively hostile, throwing words like "shit" and "shite" and "asshattery" (which of course is also kinda funny) all over the place. I don't get this weird frustrated hostility, but I feel like it's the same I saw in Curu in Election mafia. I don't know how to interpret this and it's all up for discussion, but maybe BloodyC0bbler doesn't really like being scum, he wasn't like this at all in XLVII. I can't vote right now. Since VisceraEyes is around maybe you can comment on this? Foolishness is around too but I doubt I'll get anything out of him right now. | ||
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On December 23 2011 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't; you really think BC's scum play would be that bad? No idea, but I doubt his town play would be this bad. If he is town he'll improve, if not then I don't see why I should think that he's town. Who are you looking into right now? | ||
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I like GGQ's explanation of night actions. VisceraEyes bombed bumatlarge in Election Mafia on a somewhat flimsy reasonable, he's crazy like that. I think he shot GMarshal. I don't think mafia would shoot VisceraEyes on day1, which is why VisceraEyes shouldn't shoot on day1 if he's blue but again, he's crazy like that. I think GMarshal was roleblocked last night, because who else would mafia roleblock? If he was roleblocked and he survived there could have been massive chaos day2 and he's a claimed blue who said he'd shoot somebody in the face, scum knows that he isn't kidding around so he's absolutely their best target for roleblock. I think that Chezinu is lying about his roleblock, consequently making him mafia. What do you guys think about that? I'd post more about him but he's kinda hard to read you know. | ||
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First of all it gives you some town credit if the guy who was roleblocked, and if nobody claims roleblocked today we'd know tomorrow that one of the dead was roleblocked (if scum has a roleblocker). Second of all, if Chezinu was roleblocked then GMarshal wouldn't have been roleblocked and he would have shot someone. This would severely mess up our flip analysis if we think that GMarshal actually shot one of VisceraEyes/Jackal58/SamuelLJackson. I don't think he shot any of those, I think he shot RebirthOfLeGenD, because he said he would in his 14:00 KST post. So yea, lets kill Chezinu? What do you feel about that bumatlarge? ##Vote Chezinu I'm still not over BloodyC0bbler by the way, and I'd like wherebugsgo to show me why we should kill Foolishness. | ||
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On December 23 2011 18:56 wherebugsgo wrote: so in order for your version of events to be true, Chezinu has to be lying, or there must be two roleblockers. Which one is it? Is Chezinu lying, or are there two roleblockers? On December 23 2011 18:41 prplhz wrote: Hey guys I like GGQ's explanation of night actions. VisceraEyes bombed bumatlarge in Election Mafia on a somewhat flimsy reasonable, he's crazy like that. I think he shot GMarshal. I don't think mafia would shoot VisceraEyes on day1, which is why VisceraEyes shouldn't shoot on day1 if he's blue but again, he's crazy like that. I think GMarshal was roleblocked last night, because who else would mafia roleblock? If he was roleblocked and he survived there could have been massive chaos day2 and he's a claimed blue who said he'd shoot somebody in the face, scum knows that he isn't kidding around so he's absolutely their best target for roleblock. I think that Chezinu is lying about his roleblock, consequently making him mafia. What do you guys think about that? I'd post more about him but he's kinda hard to read you know. | ||
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On December 24 2011 01:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Read the game... If GM was roleblocked and hit that leaves 4 hits for the mafia/unclaimed, which is way too high. If GM was roleblocked he wouldn't of died because it would block both his hit and his suicide, not just the hit. The mafia know this assuming they are literate and since they thought he was going to hit a townie why would they roleblock GM since it would result in his death anyway? Hint: They wouldn't. I don't even know what to say to this anymore. A bit scummy? I was in PYP:Insane that Protactinium hosted who was part Ver as I understood it. That game had a role called dreamflower that worked kinda like the vigilantes we've seen so far in this game. I really wanted this role so I asked a lot of questions about it and dreamflower only died from hitting someone, if they actually flipped town. Combined with what LSB said, I am going to assume it works like that in this game too. Also, GMarshal told people about his hits at 14:00KST which would leave no room for scum to organize their actions based on what he said. Therefore he did not lie and therefore scum would only know who he was going to hit, too late to change their own actions. This means that GMarshal was roleblocked, or that his target was magically protected by a medic but the latter I find extremely unlikely. VisceraEyes voted GMarshal during the whole claim/counterclaim thing, because VisceraEyes thought it was weird that there was another role like his (LSB) but even weirder that there was a third role. I don't really think this is too weird. I don't think that VisceraEyes was killed by town because he was obvious townie (why aren't you all obvious townies?) and I don't think that VisceraEyes was killed by scum because I don't think scum considered him to be a huge threat. I think it is likely that VisceraEyes shot somebody because he's a crazy man who does stuff like that. Palmar was shot by chaoser, GMarshal was shot by VisceraEyes who had to take responsibility for shooting a townie and died himself. Jackal58 and SamuelLJackson were shot by mafia. This means that the 4 mafia players have 2 hits, which doesn't sound unlikely to me. Sorry if I was unclear about this in my first post. This seems like the simplest explanation to me, any other explanation that assumes that GMarshal flipped himself by hitting you or assumes that GMarshal lied about his claim in his 14:00KST post seems very unlikely to me. I'd much rather assume that VisceraEyes was a responsibility vig than I would assume that GMarshal lied or that GMarshal would flip even without getting hit. Now did you read the thread? You say here that you are speculating that GMarshal might have been some sort of suicide vigilante, after he had claimed suicide vigilante in the thread. Can you tell me why you are only speculating, that a confirmed townie who claimed suicide vig in thread, might be a suicide vig? "I'm guessing he has some sort of conscience", well the guy said that in this very thread! Did you read the thread? Are you saying that I am scum or what? I'd actually much rather continue pushing BloodyC0bbler because night hit analysis of this magnitude is bound to have a huge error margin, that's why we can't really agree. wherebugsgo's defense of BloodyC0bbler has been "Yea, but WIFOM?", attacking the one argument that I said was very debatable, and pointing out that a traitor supported it. I thought about how traitors should act, and I don't think they're going to act overly scummy in hopes that scum will find them. They're probably going to act kinda townie while never pushing to get a scum lynched, and then make a guess at the remaining mafia when they have 2 shots and only have to hit 1. If they act scummy, then they get lynched (or shot in the face). I am uncertain as to whether my case was actually good or bad because only wherebugsgo and VisceraEyes ever really commented on it. Right now only me and wherebugsgo are actually trying to say who we find scummy, maybe somebody else could chime in at some point in a non-wishy-washy manner. | ||
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@Mr. Wiggles Is Liquid`Sheth the best lynch for us today? | ||
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You use my town meta from Team Melee Mafia. A game where I was town and managed to get myself lynched day1. I thought I'd change my game since I was apparently doing something really wrong. It's cool that you thought that I was town in that game but not a lot of other people did, so I wanted to change my game. Why aren't you using my meta fro XLVIII or from Election Mafia? These are recent games where I play in a different way and I get killed by scum early on instead of getting lynched by town early on. Isn't it more likely that I would want to play like I did in XLVIII and Election Mafia instead of how I played in Team Melee Mafia? chaoser has already brought up how I'm not playing like I usually do and I redirected him to a post where Radfield uses the same argument in XLVIII. We were both town in that game. I woke in the middle of the night to participate in the lynch as well as I could. I didn't really think that LSB was scum but I wanted to lynch somebody and by the time I was up to date on the thread I felt like it was way to late for me to try to get somebody else lynched. I was tired and I just wanted to see if I was needed or if I could contribute anything but I didn't feel like I could and so I just left my vote and I went back to bed. I haven't been skimping on giving my opinion on anybody this game. I don't know what you mean about "not getting in anyone's face", I have been in BloodyC0bbler's face. Whose face have you been in besides Liquid`Sheth's? Also, I do come to a conclusion in my post, what are you talking about? As for me changing my opinion, I don't think I am the greatest scum hunter ever. The most valuable thing I can contribute is my own opinion, but I think that can be wrong. That's why I throw ideas out there and then I see if people latch on to them. There are 10 other townies in this game, if what I am saying is prudent then some of them will listen to it and back me up. For the BloodyC0bbler analysis I got feedback from like three people, one of them turned out to be the traitor, and wherebugsgo didn't like it. That's why I dropped it, it's probably not a good lynch if nobody likes it as a lynch. I still find him scummy though and I'd like to lynch him if people come around, because people will come around if they realize he's a good lynch. The same thing with Chezinu. I thought it was weird that he said "I was roleblocked, and I don't want to play anymore because this game is imbalanced", ESPECIALLY IN A CLOSED SETUP. What the hell does he know about the setup? Also his entire game has been a weird rebellion against Ver or something, he's making sense sometimes but it's hard to read, in XLVII VisceraEyes did a similar thing, he tunneled Palmar all day long and he didn't have to contribute a lot because of that. Chezinu tunnels Ver or something like that, while making obscure posts and weird claims, it is impossible to get a read on him but then he said something concrete that I felt didn't add up so I wanted to lynch him. People didn't latch on to it so now I am looking into RebirthOfLeGenD. As for the "he has failed to bring up new ideas" thing, that doesn't matter. An idea isn't good just because it is new and it is better to support existing good opinion than supporting your own original bad opinion. I have tried to do this in this game, I have taken inspiration from other people while I have tried to contribute myself, it is debatable whether I have brought anything good into this game and it doesn't matter if I have brought anything new into this game. Do you really think that I am scum? I feel like you are a bit lost in this game, then you fall back on some meta you have with me from ages ago when I played terribly and then you just write up an analysis to conclude that I'm scum. Either that or you are scum, maybe I should finish reading RebirthOfLeGenD in TMM and Personality Mafia and read some of your games, can you direct me to a recent game of yours where you were scum and one where you were town? | ||
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I don't care that it's christmas, you find time to post a 1 liner telling people about your hit sooner than 48 hours after daypost. ##Vote BloodyC0bbler | ||
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Why did you not change your vote to BloodyC0bbler then? You didn't push wherebugsgo very hard either, it was one post that might have attracted attention, but nobody really picked up the ball from there. Are you telling me that you thought that your vote was more well placed on wherebugsgo than on BloodyC0bbler, who had a lot more votes and who you also thought was scum? If you still think we should lynch wherebugsgo, then why didn't you push him harder yesterday? What did you do yesterday? Why does his claim making sense make him blue instead of red? He claimed 48 hours into the day, he absolutely knew that there would be no counter claims. So far, we have had three vigilantes claim, BloodyC0bbler should absolutely know that with this many vigilantes, any vigilante most likely does not have two shots and so they have no reasons not to tell town about their shots as soon as possible. Why does this claim make him blue instead of red? Considering this and how close he was to getting lynched yesterday, a claim like that doesn't seem very risky for a scum at all. | ||
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GOD THAT FELT GOOD | ||
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So about the night hits today and yesterday. Yesterday these people died: Palmar was shot by chaoser GMarshal was shot by BloodyC0bbler This leaves 3 people unaccounted for and I think maybe they were all shot by scum: Jackal58 was shot because he wouldn't attract any medic protection and because he's usually a good townie to have around come day2 (Jackal58 will tell you all that he's almost always wrong day1). SamuelLJackson was shot because he was a hydra and that hit would count as two hits and he wouldn't get medic protected because there was some suspicion on him day1. VisceraEyes was shot because he was the most obvious townie around and he was very active, also he soft claimed blue/vig. These hits only make sense if scum didn't know that there wasn't a medic which means that scum did not get full list of roles. I believe this because wherebugsgo was essentially the only person I could shoot with my vig condition and that was only barely. My vig condition is pretty obvious from my role name. Also, neither Foolishness nor BloodyC0bbler died day1 so scum must have been afraid of some sort of protection roles, they wouldn't be if they had gotten a list of 5-7 vigs unless they thought that everybody is green. Today's hits were: wherebugsgo by me (this is the first time I shoot scum so bear with me if I am being a little giddy) If scum had three hits yesterday they have around that today too, I seriously doubt that they killed 5 people though, 4 scum can't kill 5 people which means that somebody on this list was shot by town. I'm going to guess that scum shot 3 or maybe 4 people people if they have any additional KP. Foolishness I conjecture was shot by scum because of what he did to wherebugsgo. chaoser was pretty much confirmed town after having killed Palmar so scum shot him too. This leaves three people unaccounted for. BloodyC0bbler was being very inactive and a lot of people found him suspicious so I doubt that he was shot by scum. This leaves just GGQ or Mr. Wiggles as the last scum hits. I had town reads on both of these guys so I haven't a clue. Maybe some more vigs will claim today or whatever, maybe mafia actually just have this much KP. RebirthOfLeGenD He was busy day1 doing some paper, fair enough. Day2 he comes in and tries to explain the night hits, but it appears that his main agenda when explaining the night hits is to exonerate himself. On December 23 2011 14:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Oh and this part. That would also explain why GM released all his reads. If you believe my analysis of this, then congrats. I am now confirmed town by GM's death, or at the very least, confirmed not mafia. If only he said specifically how his role worked, oh well. The sentence "if you believe my analysis then i am confirmed not mafia" pretty much gives away his intention for doing the analysis in the first place. Townies don't emphasize being confirmed that much, they're content just not being scummy. His entire night1 analysis was full of flaws because he couldn't think clearly because he had this agenda, something that L pointed out up there too. This is followed up by a case on BloodyC0bbler. The quality of the case itself doesn't really matter here. The case is divided in three parts, posting, night hits and votes. His posting analysis is just going over other people's posts on BloodyC0bbler and adds nothing new. The night hits analysis is wild speculation and fits on just about everybody, he just comes up with some analysis about why people were hit and concludes that BloodyC0bbler might have thought this and thus he was behind it. The voting analysis is ultra safe, he concludes that BloodyC0bbler is scum because he was the fourth vote on LSB, and some article on mafiascum says that 4th vote is often scum. Also the very first line of the analysis: On December 25 2011 08:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright well, time to be productive. Sorry guys, I have been lazy and hesitant and whether or not to do this analysis. [...] Why would a townie be hesitant about doing analysis, especially one that is ultra safe like this? I suggest we start out with RebirthOfLeGenD. ##Vote RebirthOfLeGenD @syllogism Who do we lynch next? | ||
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