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"His first post was generic advice. His second post didn't follow this generic advice, instead he rambles on about RNG for ages, concluding that it is bad even though it has evidently spurred discussion. His third post, he concludes that LSB is either red or blue then just leaves it there. In the second part of his post he displays excellent logic I think, but then he kinda outs bumatlarge as blue. Why would a town aligned player ever give his blue reads like this?" His first post was generic advice, but did I felt he had a couple of nuggets of original thought in there too. That's contributing, don't let anyone tell you differently. Read the part I bolded and tell me if that had occurred to you. I specifically called for the information L provided regarding RNG, so I'm biased where that's concerned. He answered my question and then some. But I disagree that he 'concluded that it's bad', that's oversimplifying what he said. In his third post, I have to concede that he did in essence "out" bum as blue (if he's town)...but let me ask you this: what motivation is there for scum to "out a blue"? They're trying to appear town, right? And a townie has no feasible motivation for "outing a blue" without a good reason. So why would scum do it? His good reason was to make the point about the 'triggers' that we'll have to worry about later, so I've got a tentative town read on L. | ||
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On December 21 2011 15:51 chaoser wrote: Finally, L is currently semi-scummy to me. In his first post he addresses the issue of RNG lynching and then says that we need a new metric to decide on who to lynch but never delivers on it, merely saying: He never provides anything "asap." I noticed this and though other people brought it up (bum I think) and he responded to it by saying that he's playing it slow at the moment, it still seems scummy due to the fact that he said ideas should be on the table "asap" and yet never gives his own, merely stating in his next post: But the whole concept of having a metric (he talks about how the old metric was talking about lynching lurkers) is to create discussion and allow for information gathering (something RNG hindered). So why would you put off thinking up a new metric criteria till tomorrow when discussion will already have been going on and information will already have been created. It makes no sense to say I will think of something to create discussion tomorrow when by that time we'll already be discussing. It seems like he's trying to say he's got ideas for us but by the time he says he can deliver on them (tomorrow) we'll have no need for them and thus he doesn't actually have to make good on his promise. I'mma vote first and then wait for you to post more. ##Vote: L Palmar, when you read this, THIS is how you make an argument for L-scum. chaoser, it feels like your whole case on L revolves around the bolded statements you make. In spite of all the other stuff going on in the game right now, your vote is based on L saying that he'll decide who he's going to vote for after there's more information in the thread for him to base it on. Why is waiting until there's more information to base a conclusion on scummy? The town vets I've seen on this site tend to want to watch a thread and see what happens. Prodding inactive players to get their opinions, sure, but mostly just watch. I think there's a reason for that. Town is at an information disadvantage, so jumping to conclusions is quite literally shooting town in the foot. If you absolutely could NOT get L lynched today, who would you want to lynch and why? (And if you say me for defending L, so help me...) | ||
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On December 21 2011 17:15 chaoser wrote: I didn't say I think he's scummy "based on L saying that he'll decide who he's going to vote for after there's more information in the thread for him to base it on". I never said that. I said I think he's scummy because he said it's important to find a new "metric" for this game that is not "RNG" or "lynching lurking" to create conversation in a meaningful way but then promised to tell us what that new metric at a time at which it was no longer useful. This allows him to never make good on his promise of actually contributing to help town. If you notice, most of my reads have the general note of: need more info/would like more posts. So I never said or even implied that waiting until there's more information to base a conclusion on someone is scummy. I even said so at the end of my paragraph on L. If I could not lynch L today then I currently don't know who I would lynch since only his posts have sent up the strongest flares for me. I'd rather not policy lynch and there's still 24 hours left in the day so I'd wait and see on some of my other candidates of suspicion. What is it? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm trying to understand what you're saying. If by metric you mean "what we should talk about", why do you need L to tell you what to talk about? By metric I assume L means "the factors by which I decide who I'm going to vote for and support a lynch of"..which is still going to be useful tomorrow; more useful tomorrow in my opinion because if he knew and shared that 'metric' today, scum could change their behavior accordingly to avoid votes over the course of today and tomorrow. | ||
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Lynching Lurkers Starring: Palmar In today's episode, we'll take a look at one of the scummiest bastards in the game, Palmar. Chapter 1: L Initially, he took the stance that L was being worthless and had to die. And by had to die, I mean had to be prodded into activity by randomly slinging shit at him most of the day. I called him out for it, because I haven't found much of a problem with L's posts, and because it looked like he was setting up going for the easy lurker lynch. Right before Palmar switched gears, L had a grand total of THREE in-game posts. This means that in spite of everything that's going on, everyone with content in the thread and all the information that's been gained so far, the scummiest person by his estimation has been a lurker. It's worth noting that I defended L's contributions at this point, and I'm not only not scummy for defending one of his scum reads, but not even acknowledged as having said anything to him at all. This is interesting, because the discussion about L's contributions was still going on when Palmar returned to the thread. Rather than comment further on why L is "useless" and should be lynched, he switches gears entirely. Chapter 2: GMarshal He and syllogism agree that GM is very useless. I mean, there's only so much you can do with FOUR in-game posts...but at any rate, again, Palmar is going after the LURKERS here, so GM makes for an excellent target. He concludes that the case on GM boils down to "contributes nothing but Policy Lynches"...nevermind that at the only time in-game that GM has been posting in the thread, that was what was being discussed. That's not important. What's important is that GM hasn't contributed anything to the thread but Policy Lynches. I agree that this isn't the most phenomenal contribution, but keep in mind that this is a game chock full of veterans plus a couple decent newer players. I find it rather hard to believe that GM has 'scummily active-lurked in the thread', which MIGHT justify lynching someone with FOUR IN-GAME POSTS. And it's not as if GM has been derailing discussion with his policy lynches. They're simply all he's showed up to contribute so far. But according to Palmar, that's fucking SCUMMY bro. Why? Why is the fact that GM hasn't come back into the thread halfway through the day scummy? He can't be busy? Why condone a lynch on someone who has almost no information down in the thread when there are so many people in town who have contributed more than GM and have actual information to analyze? He even states that "I expect we can do better than a half-assed policy-lynch D1"...WHILE CONDONING A LURKER LYNCH WITHOUT EVEN ANALYZING ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN-THREAD!!! He's taking the path of least resistance hoping to snag a few followers so that when he's safely away from the almost inevitable townie lynch today, he doesn't look suspicious. I'm fucking calling it. Anyway, I call him out again because I'm starting to notice a trend. I ask he and syllogism to explain what they mean by useless, because that seems to be what they both consider the majority of the active player-base to be. Palmar responds with another analysis, this time BloodyC0bbler, another lurker Chapter 3: BloodyC0bbler He opens by attempting to diplomatically "play nice" with me, because for some reason, talking to him about the game is "starting to piss him off"...I hadn't even hinted at suspicion of him at this point, I've simply been asking questions and trying to interact with him, townie to "townie". At any rate, he then goes on to describe why BC's ONE post is scummier than the whole thread, excepting GM's Policy Lynches...because that's where his vote is. Like, the arrogance of thinking you can catch scum in as little as 2 posts, when there's so much other information to analyze, is astounding to me. BloodyC0bbler has all of TWO in-game posts in this thread, and one is a drunk post that has literally ZERO content. So he's basing his analysis of his other top suspect off of ONE post. I'm incredulously shaking my head at the screen while typing this just thinking about it. Epilogue I dabble in divination. Sometimes I think I can see the future. I predict that Palmar will be infuriated with my case. That suddenly, I'm just 'bad' all over again, in spite of him having stated IN-THREAD that he feels I've "proven I can scumhunt". I predict that he'll dismiss my case entirely. I also predict that I'll have far more support for his lynch than he anticipates. Time will tell. But I think Palmar is scum. tl;dr Palmar's suspects : Their Post-count L : 3 GM : 4 BC : 2 (1) Rather than scumhunt, Palmar is on a lurker witch-hunt. It's lazy scum play. Palmar admits his scum play is terrible. You do the math. | ||
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##Unvote: Foolishness ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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SLJ, Foolishness, and chaoser. @Palmar Why don't you tell me? I wouldn't want to spoil the surprise for you. | ||
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....a good defense. There could be any number of reasons why scumPalmar would choose GM over Sheth. You provided one already - you have meta on GM and feel you could more easily lynch him over Sheth, a raw newbie in TL Mafia. Perhaps Sheth is your scumbuddy. I have no idea why you chose who you did, but my point is that you didn't say why. You gave 1 reason, that GM is pushing policy lynches for 4 posts almost at the beginning of the day, and later after I cased you claimed to have meta on GM that shows that he's scum. Your point on BC is fair - I took your calling him useless as synonymous with scummy, so I apologize for assuming he was a scumread. As for L, you have been slinging shit at L all day. You commented on GM, but felt the compulsion to agree with Foolishness that L needs to be lynched today before you decided to come play with us. And only now have made a case for GM, with your vote. Your point on lynching players you know is fair, but it begs the question: why haven't you pushed GM all day instead of L, a player you don't know? | ||
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##Unvote: Palmar Palmar are you still the mostest suspicious of GM after he came back and apologized and promised content later? | ||
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On December 22 2011 06:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##Vote: Chezinu Working on finals stuff. Consider it a placeholder if you will. Placeholder like a pro. I'm watching and absorbing guys, my reads are all messed up at this point and I'm going to have to do a full reread when I have time (probably at lunch) so right now I'm just keeping current. | ||
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