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On December 24 2011 05:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Nah, I said I got a weird feeling from Palmar, not that he was necessarily scum. I was disagreeing with GMarshal's assessment that he was playing exactly to his meta. Sheth is scummy for lurking, but also because of how he is lurking. He has enough time to read the thread and post in the other game he was in, but all he can do in this one is quote and say "I agree?", that's pretty bad. Also, I don't care how good BC is playing, but right now, he's just kind've gliding along as an inactive/lurker. He said he'd be busy on day 1, which implies that he'll be back to post on day 2. If he doesn't, then I find it likely he's scum. It's the same thing FW did in Personality mafia, where he would just come in with a post every now and then and make excuses. It's day 2, and we have 4 vets, RoL, BC, Foolishness, and L, who haven't actually bothered to commit to anything with regards to other players. They aren't all going to be town, and there's no way they're all scum. So, some of them are just not doing (or at least contributing) anything as town. Also, the difference between GM's post and mine, was I just wanted to give a quick summary of my reads in case I was dead. GM's was his grand contribution to make up for a whole 48 hours of lurking, and was meant to astound us and completely redeem him for his scummy behaviour. It wasn't just that GM called people scum for bad reasons, but also because those were the only reasons he could come up with when his life was probably (and almost literally) on the line, when it came to finding scum. I've said more then that. I'm just trying to read everything and keep up. I tried to defend LSB. Anyway I'll try to post what I can, but honestly I'm not thinking that well. Just these meds make it somewhat difficult to gather a complicated case. If you want your welcome to lynch me because of that, but I'm still trying my best. Anyway if you have any questions feel free to direct them my way and I'll answer them. | ||
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On December 24 2011 08:27 chaoser wrote: I am also open to a Sheth lynch I'd really rather you not. I'm sorry for being inactive lately. However I'd understand if you want to, however realize your just hurting town with it. | ||
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 Anyway just saying hi again and letting you know I still feel guilty for not scum hunting yet.. Will get to it ASAP.. | ||
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##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Just until I can read everyones cases and so forth, I only read the case against BC. | ||
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If one of Syllogism / L are mafia then the other is town. Chezinu was giving me a very town feeling, but hasn't posted in a long time. What are your thoughts on how everyone was killed this night, or even last night? BumatLarge if your a vig why were you so sure that LSB was lieing and voted against him? Do you think Kita is mafia? Prplhz you are the one person who is cleared town to me. After reading the problems with the first night we both came up with the same logic. That VE vig shot GM and that GM was roleblocked from killing someone. And then that the other 2 were Mafia KP. Since then, However BC shooting GM has since changed things. RoL you claim vig and that you shot Bloody Cobbler this is interesting. You also voted for Chezinu the first night. Was there a reason you didn't hop on the LSB bandwagon? And you disagreed with prplhz's theory about how night one went down. I find this interesting as well. Kitaman you are actually my one fairly good read on being scum. Just because of how you've played this game. You went after a lurker (myself) which is understandable, but after it not working (me not posting because I was just sick and busy with other things honestly) you still kept on me and didn't really go scum hunting elsewhere. You also were against some of foolishness' reasoning and have just had very scummy play overall. Your my for sure read on who is mafia and who'd I'd prefer to lynch tonight. Sylogism Bugs asked what you thought at one point during the game. You were negative towards Bumatlarge. And you and L are arguing quite a bit. I'm really not sure on you honestly. Null read. L You've had good logic. You voted for Palmar day one which I find weird. I have a null read on you as well. Other then thinking that either BOTH you and sylogism are town or 1 is town 1 is mafia I really don't have a great read. I think there is very likely no chance your both mafia. So thats where I'm at right now. Rebirth of Legend, were you hit and just lied about it earlier? | ||
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This is purely many little things, some bigger things and everything I find even remotely fishy about "Kitaman27" Right off the bat early on in the game he noticed the vote count was off. And he had already voted something. For me when I'm town I never look at the voting count amount until much later. He was curious about both "chaoser and gm" for quite a big part of the early game. Pretty much his only post besides worrying about a lurker (Sheth, myself). He also "Expects more" from Foolishness, BC and GM" So, so far he has been curious or expected more from 4 confirmed townies and myself who is a townie as well. He then proceeds to say that it is tough to make a serious case against someone who only has two posts containing information he then says though that it is "not half-hearted". This is a blatant contradiction, its very hard to tell anything from just two posts and I find it weird that he wants to push someone based off of two posts. He then uses the words "would like to see him dead" When the Vigilante showdown AKA "LSB vs GM two vigilantes of different names" occurred his solution was terrible from a town point of view. He wanted them to have one shoot the other one and for the other one to shoot someone who "appears townie". This was I believe the first time I really looked at Kita as Scum . This seems to me silly, because it ends up killing everyone, not really helping us by giving us information and in the end is just a bad idea. We'd like our vigilantes to stay alive as at that point we really didn't know how many we had. I'm sure you can figure out the other reasons this was a bad idea. He then is not suspicious of RoL, but says that he "hopes to hear from RoL". This doesn't seem at all negative and if RoL is mafia as well as Kita it points to Kita reminding RoL to post here more. He then says that he wouldn't mind putting 7-8 votes on a lurker (Sheth, myself), but then really never tries to do that at all. He almost instantly changes his thought process and goes after someone else. Honestly I think it would have been smart to try and put more votes on me. I wouldn't have answered, but if I was just scumlurking then it would have pressured me out into at least saying something. He is then very curious about GM and his role and if he is roleblocked. I think it VERY likely that GM was in fact roleblocked. He was the obvious best choice for mafia to role block hands down. Kitaman27 then proceeds to ask "Would your bullet be refunded?" He is very curious about this townies power and what would happen if he was roleblocked. Just an interesting point for sure. He then proceeds to say in his big list that he is "leaning town on bugs" and that his main lynch candidate is on Prplhz. I don't know why he stopped pressuring the lurker (myself) or why he instantly went onto Prplhz here. I was very happy with what I'd seen from prplhz at this point. Syllogism was as well, pointing out that "prplhz has appeared very protown". Bugs then proceeded to try and start suspicion against Prplhz by asking if he was just bad in general or only as scum. Something I also thought was out of place. This didn't go anywhere and then he Bugs proceeds to switch his case onto BC when no one else agrees with voting out Prplhz. Kitaman27 has never really caused ANYONE major pressure. He hasn't had a passion of scum hunting. He has in the end done very nearly nothing for us. He should have at least kept up his pressure on the lurker (Myself) and been more passionate against Prplhz if he truly felt he was scummy. He then lists his ideal scumteam of -Foolishness, BC, Prplhz and L. 2 of which are confirmed town. Prplhz is just about confirmed town to me and then L. So he scum team is already been proven 2/4 wrong and almost 3/4 wrong. He also doesn't think I'm scum at all in these posts. Again going along with the theme of not really pressuring anyone, but merely putting some small spotlight onto these 4. After Prplhz reveals that he had killed WhereBugsGo Kita says sorry for accusing Prplhz. He was very against apologizing early and one of the reads early that we had was that in most cases here scum would be apologetic and simply try not to die by lynch or agravating someone by trigger or simply vig shot. As town is somewhat killing itself by shooting itself (vig shots). So at this point this post could be dangerous as well. Any, one or some of these posts taken separately wouldn't strike a chord. However all of them together ring in my ears. KitaMan27 is Scum | ||
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On December 29 2011 03:59 prplhz wrote: Didn't you read the thread at all? Both L and I have already put up our arguments, syllogism agrees. Chezinu stopped posting at 1999 posts, and he hasn't posted or voted for 5 straight days. Look at how apathetic RebirthOfLeGenD is right now in face of getting lynched at lylo. He doesn't care at all because he's scum and because he's getting bussed. If you were townie and you were getting lynched and that lynch would cost town the game, wouldn't you fight a lot harder than this? He's just posting one liners and not caring about anything at all, because he is getting bussed. L's first real contribution in this game is a case on RebirthOfLeGenD full of stuff that he could just as easily have pointed out yesterday. Pretty much it doesn't matter if you think that kitaman27 is scum right now because we're lynching RebirthOfLeGenD and we need everybody to help out. Unless you are sure that RebirthOfLeGenD is town then you are going to vote him. Your entire case for RebirthOfLeGenD being town is "his story is just so weird", is that better than the arguments that L and I put forth? Totally unrelated, it's insane that Foolishness identified both wherebugsgo and L as scum on day1. Yes I read the thread prplhz. I've read your argument against RoL. L and syllogism just went onto your bus and accepted him quietly. Chezinu hasn't posted yes, I see that. Thanks for posting some more against RoL though, thats what I was looking for. I agree that RoL should definetly be fighting much harder to not be killed here. As this is pretty much our last thought. I agree, with your logic on this and I'm happy to be voting RoL here. I'll put me vote for him right here as well. Foolishness did have some very good calls, I'll give him that. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend | ||
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I'm not sure the whole mafia team is roleblockers, but I can see that a lot of roleblocks have been used. However I don't know why roleblockers would have blocked Chezinu at all and then why he hasn't posted for a while. I want more information out of him. I understand your reasoning to kill LSB, but I think we would have found out that information without us lynching him. We might have found out a lot more had we not in fact. Regardless I don't like your ending sentence. You are so actively against voting for RoL. You realize if your not mafia, prplhz isn't mafia, rol or chezinu isn't mafia and you think both myself and L are mafia then one of either syllogism or kitaman is mafia too. I know I'm not mafia, meaning in your scenario both syllogism and kitaman are mafia. I'm not a huge fan of your logic here honestly. It worries me. As already said, I don't think L and Syllogism are both mafia together. Meaning one of RoL, yourself or Chezinu is mafia in place of them. This just gets more and more interesting. | ||
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On December 29 2011 06:46 bumatlarge wrote: Yeah it's only getting interesting to you now because now is the only time you need to play the game. I'm not retracting anything scum. The basis behind RoL's lynch is that either he or chez lied about being roleblocked? Think about the set-up for half a second and it would make sense. Chezinu was blocked because he's blue, all the town is if that hasn't occured to mafia yet. Would you like to claim? No, I don't want to claim. Interesting Kita interesting... Prplhz I have proof RoL is telling the truth! Who do you recomend we go to. And sorry RoL for not believing you. Pretty crazy game though! | ||
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On December 29 2011 06:52 kitaman27 wrote: How is me pointing out a flaw in the voting bot even relevant? I noticed it counted a vote which I didn't make and pointed it out. Why does that make me scum? It doesn't at all, its just something I noted. I wrote everything that I thought was weird. Also, I didn't even realize you had ever played a forum game as town. Could you link me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384¤tpage=All It was because I did expect more from Foolishness, BC and GM. They were being pretty useless and I brought them up. Indeed, 3 townies. Its just a percentage call. Just something that to me added .001% to the case against you. Your analysis completely falls apart at this point. In fact, you come off looking pretty hypocritical. My proposed plan was that one of the two shoots the other, while the other shoots a scum suspect. I still feel this was the best proposed solution to the GM/LSB counter claim. This is what you proposed instead: This plan by me was terrible! I change my plan about 2 minutes after it to my no lynch policy that night. It was a panic post because I was 90% sure LSB wasn't lieing. My plan was exactly the same as yours, except mine yielded us an additional vig shot to shoot scum. If my plan was "terrible" from a town perspective and my plan was better than yours, what does that make your plan? As I said above, my plan was terrible. Thats why I changed it. You say this is the first time I became part of your radar because you want the vigilantes to stay alive. According to your plan, they would both be dead night one! Wait, so my plan was a good one, but I'm scum because other people didn't follow it? Its scum because you didn't try and get other people to follow it. You just suggested it and walked away. Its almost like you could follow town think a ways, but couldn't follow it too far. This could be way off, but again its something that added a small percentage to you as well. Now you're just trying to skew my posts. I was arguing with L because he seemed to think that GM lied about his shots. I think that is crazy and stated as so. I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. You were asking very specific questions about how roleblock affects a vigilante. Especially now doesn't this seem like something mafia would like to know, especially if they don't kill him that night. I admit my reads have been off this game, but at least I'm trying to share my opinion. Don't say I'm not trying to scum hunt, when your first real post hasn't come until more than a week into the game. Just because I've been absent doesn't mean I can't say the truth from my perspective. I thought you wanted me to be posting here more. think that is crazy and stated as so. I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. lolol I asked you to stop apologizing because you did so in every single post. I was wrong on prpl and I'm allowed to say sorry. Overall, everything just looks really weak. I'll write something up against L later today. My last post here was pretty pointless, I'll admit that. However your defense hasn't swayed me. I still am very worried about you being mafia. What do you think about me saying I'm sure RoL is telling the truth and thus town? I can prove this, so please be careful on how you answer. Also, if RoL is safe, and I feel prplhz is safe, that leaves 6 and 3 of which are mafia. 2 of which are me and you, now I know you think I'm mafia, but I'm not, so assume I'm not for this test. And you ofc will assume your not mafia. So 3/4 of those others are now mafia. Please I'm very curious your thoughts on this situation. L / Syllogism / Chezinu / Bumatlarge would be the 4. Do you think this situation isn't possible? I veer off point here. Bumatlarge I also am VERY curious about one of your posts. You change your oppinion on chezinu VERY quickly for no apparent reason. You go from something like "well I really don't have any idea whether chezinu is mafia or not" to I think chezinu is town and anyone who votes for him is stupid. Please explain that ? I'm REALLY curious about this seeming slip. | ||
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On December 29 2011 07:02 syllogism wrote: Sheth care to share the proof? Happily after I've heard everyone's responses to this. Especially Bum's. What do you think about my point that I think you and L aren't scum together and that if one of you is, the other isn't? | ||
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