Election Mafia

For the lurkers in the thread, maybe a couple questions would get some activity:

1. What do you think of the No Pardon, No Exception rule?

2. Give your specific impressions of the campaigns so far, especially the major ones.

Remember, the more you get into the game you're playing, the more fun it is! :D

1. MarserBlood
2. nyczbrandon
8. Refallen
9. Cwave
11. MrZentor
15. evantrees
17. DropBear
23. Nisani201
24. cascades
25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra)

On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:
Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again.

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Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one.

Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him.

I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person.

I'd much rather keep zeks around 'cause at least he's posting and I don't at all think that the case on him is strong enough yet that we can safely call him scum. Instead we could lynch one of those guys who only have two posts, they're impossible to read anyway. What do you think about that plan?

On December 13 2011 12:18 MrZentor wrote:
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We should lynch some lurkers to keep them active, but I don't think that will get us any mafia, because the mafia will end up shifting the vote to a non mafia lurker. I am just saying that given the current information, it would be best to lynch him. This could easily change with any new information or posts.


so you recognize that lynching lurkers won't kill mafia, but you still want to do it anyway? the hell?

Now I'm voting you for lynch :D

Building off Eii's accusations, here you say that either zeks is stupid or mafia, then you nonchalantly say that we should lynch him because he is the all we have at the moment in the next post. To me this doesnt look like an accusation or pressure, to me this looks like someone jumping on an easy wagon.

what does 'having the hydra only helps town' mean?

i know you're pretty new. but seriously this post looks like someone in your scumQT told you the following:
"hey zentor, you need to post something... attack zeks, he looks pretty bad right now..."
or can you tell me a better story?

i need to talk to you zentor

1. "Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one" - Posting random BS to stay barely active and won't be called out for lurker
2. "Kill the hydra" - There are multiple hydras dude?
3. "Having the hydra only helps town" - Yeah as if hydra can't be scum
4. "dangerous for the town" - When did I ever say that ? Stop sticking words in my mouth

zentor might be coached scum.

Another one throws in a halfhearted vote on Zentor, let me fastforward and tell you where this ends this continues. Another handfull of people halfheartedly vote for Zentor. Zentor flips town. We don't have a clue who the real mafia is. We can't use the list people who voted for Zentor to find mafia because there won't be alot of mafia in there.

If on the spot right now, who would you lynch Zentor? Still Zeks ?

Analyzing Sheth's posts

Now lets look at a quick timeline of stuff he's done:


1. Ran for mayor immediately after game starts

He's one of the first people to run for mayor but drops out rather quickly without challenging the other candidates. For a completely new player to immediately run for mayor practically right after game starts seems fishy. After Rad/Arc campaigns gain steam he drops out silently because he knows he has no way of winning.

2.

On December 12 2011 12:28 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Its very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia. This can be tough obviously. So I think its obvious we want someone who is willing to write a lot in order to be one of these.


Implying people who write a lot are not mafia? Terrible logic

Note that he writes big blocks to try to fit his own category.

3. Claims he hasn't read any past games
On December 14 2011 05:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I have not zeks :[ I havn't had anytime sadly. I've looked at a small part of a few before this one, but I've been trying to filter people here, fix my computer and keep up on SC2 related things. Its pretty time consuming. Not to mention that I'm at my families house and should visit with them as well ><


Yet it seems fishy that he does know some stuff about past games...
Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?"


Correct me if I'm wrong is sheepycat someone in a past game?
There is no way to figure out if someone is "100%" mafia either. Oh percentages, how I hate sheepycat or w/e his name is for over using them on EVERY single read he ever had. And what do you mean theres only one way to get confirmed and that way kinda prevents people from getting elected afterwards? I honestly just don't know....


4. People have called me out for saying "my 6th sense says one hydra is scum" - and used that in a case against me.

What about Sheth? He's been doing the same thing! Except in multiple occasions! Don't see him getting called out [Excuse my selective quoting, if you filter him and read these comments and the context it was in, you'll see that it makes no difference that i quoted it this way]

I get the basic read from Redfield that hes clean though. Just from the imaginary tone I hear in my head.


Radfield hasn't said anything from his one post, so I kind of don't think he should be mayor based on that, but I really think hes townie. Just from a random gut read.


Radfields comments are again good. I'm getting like this pure read from him for now. Just seems legit.


This quote unsettles me too:
And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =)



5. Sheth posts a lot, but he's rather wishy washy in his opinions

Lynch - Prplhz - I've always gotten some weird vibes from him. Back when he said neither elected position is at all important and him saying he thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs. I think its just weird logic. I'm all for you attacking risk.nuke and looking at deus-ex above me, and I realize your not really on other peoples radar, but your definetly on mine. If you can change my mind I'll definetly change my vote, I'm just saying this now as I have to go. I'll be back to re-read this all over before actual Election time.


Lynch Prplhz based on "weird vibes"

Either Zeks or Zentor. They've both shown that even if there not mafia, there not going to be too helpful in finding real mafia and might just confuse us more.


Then says if given the power he'd lynch me or Zentor. After Arc pressures Sheth he backs off a bit:

Sure, will do. Just again notice I was asked just which player would you call down the thunder on right now if you could? So I just answered my two feels and a brief why. Who've I've been worried about the most is pretty much constantly changing with posts and as I go over and filter everyone.


It appears to me he's just playing along with whatever the flavor of the week is

Conclusion: If you take everything he says as truth then he's an innocent townie who's trying too hard. Otherwise he seems pretty scummy

That was a pretty bad analysis. One of the quotes isn't even Liquid`Sheth's and the conclusion is that either he's town or he's scum. Duh.

Other than that, zeks is just rehashing the obvious instead of trying to clarify why he thinks it is coming from a scum mind and not a town mind.

Sorry I was at the gym.
No, come on if he's town I would feel so bad. He comes to play mafia and we lynch him day 1.

In conclusion, based on MrZanders current wishy-washyness as well as relatively late allusion to a blue-name without an actual role-claim causes him to draw my vote.

My vote may go to either Sheth or Mr.Zentor because Zentor seems to change votes a lot.

:/ I thought I read you changing your mind several times in this thread, mb if im wrong. Well it seems that you said you may change your vote from zeks after his post.

I saw that you didn't change your official vote, but I thought you would of changed it later on after more deliberation

@ProfBA Two things:

1: For the large analysis that I'm working on, I went through the thread and picked out every person that had been suspected. I started on the analysis, doing the players in the order I had the tabs in my web browser open, but ran out of time to finish. While I agree that Nisani may have not been the best analysis pick, there has been a lot of people pointing to Jitsu as scum. I feel that going through all the candidates who have been under suspicion and then posting my analysis will benefit both me and the rest of the town by showing what my reasoning is on all these candidates. I will try to clean up the ones I still have to do, though.

2: Why am I a pick for lynching?

i hope annul will serve his purpose and be around at the lynch. I am still torn between zentor and risk...
last time i read risks filter he seemed to be town to me :-[

On December 14 2011 04:35 Arctocod wrote:
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Hey risk.nuke, do you want to lynch sheth?

Sorry I was at the gym.
No, come on if he's town I would feel so bad. He comes to play mafia and we lynch him day 1.

Thats the cheapest punch anyone have ever thrown at me.

On December 14 2011 09:27 MrZentor wrote:
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Can you give me a legitimate reason to not lynch Seth?

Zentor you're an idiot. need a reason for not to lynch a specific person day 1. And everybloody one else why is there still only 1 person with more then 1 votes.

A little over 2 hours remain in the day.

Ehh wtf move palmar?

Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.

Yeah, risk.nuke is mafia.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands.

I propose we RNG pardoner role

person who tried to stop your bandwagon

I think you are scum.

HEY GUYS MRZENTOR IS VERY LIKELY NOT SCUM STOP VOTING FOR HIM

Both Radfield and Arctocod says that the lynch is bad and you should listen to those because they're likely the best townies here and they're agreeing. Look at the people on MrZentor right now: Eiii, GreYMisT, Cwave, MarserBlood, TotallyNotTwoPeople, Spaackle, Comprissent. This list isn't very impressive, Eiii got onto the lynch ages ago and GreYMisT, well I have no idea why he's on there really. This guy is very likely to flip town and you should all switch away from him right now.

why not bring up your concerns earlier? the numbers on zentor have not changed. Just recently he constructed a bad rebuttle against Risk.Nuke useing a quote directed clearly at me as a reference point. why would a townie ever do this?

Also i see you are not voting anyone at the moment. care to provide an alternative?

Because I don't want the role to go into scumhands.
Also even though I'm not top tier, I'm not bad at this game. With the last hour panic I deem the chances of a scum beeing elected rather high. I'm still thinking this was a mafia abillity and that Palmar is muted. Mafia would had known the most likely person to get elected instead of Palmar would be you and I really don't like that nor Greymist opening up by voteing for you.

So to ensure that the role goes to a townie I ran myself. I didn't realise people though of me as scummy as they seem to do but then half the players in here wouldn't recognize scummy play if they saw it. Anyway right now my credit is beeing destroyed and that's most likely mafia influenced.

On December 14 2011 10:08 risk.nuke wrote:
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On December 14 2011 10:07 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 14 2011 10:06 risk.nuke wrote:

Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands.


can you explain this please?

I think you are scum.


you mean this post zentor? just want to make sure you are saying you mistook this phrase as directed to you, and then took the time to go back and quote it? all without noticing that my name was right above it?

I'm really not sure of who I want to vote. Although with the way the votes are going now, I think its obviously between Zentor and Nisani. I didn't like how Zeks has acted recently either, but its obviously between those two. Let me go through Zentor's Filter. And if either of you, Zentor or Nisani are on now, start posting why you shoudln't be killed please.

Sheth, don't vote for MrZentor whatever you do. It's a complete waste. He has basically claimed blue in the thread, which means there is a decent chance mafia will shoot him and do the job for us.

Zentor, use intelligence in telling us your role.

Instinct.
And I said I was ten times more sure on you then on anyone else. and 100 times more so then on people like Nisani, Speccles and Zentor.

For any vigs:
And shoot Zentor cause his unlynchable claim reeks of bs

On December 15 2011 04:20 zeks wrote:


What is your role name

Explain how wanting your role name is scummy when you've already told the whole world what your role was

Unless you don't have one

On December 15 2011 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:


Okay, this post.

What is going on with this post?

He's threatening to attack anyone who votes for the 2 present lynch candidates (or so I gather from the thread - the consensus seems to be that the lynch is either Zentor or Nisani). Why?

Because if they were mafia, their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. You know, like he's doing here. He backs it up with fear tactics (Bandwagons almost always "influenced by mafia") and imaginary statistics (99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing).

My read on risk.nuke gets redder and redder.

Why isn't anyone considering this guy seriously?

On December 14 2011 09:36 MrZentor wrote:
Okay, risk nuke hasn't posted anything concerning why he defended Seth without a legitimate reason, so I am going to change my vote to him.

On December 14 2011 10:10 MrZentor wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's an ability that must be used before two hours before the election.


There is no reason for Palmar to do this, and if he had, he would explain it.

Risk.nuke acts like Palmar was the one who resigned, something a mafia would do if it were a mafia role like the one I described.



And he tries to get the role of pardoner.

On December 15 2011 08:02 risk.nuke wrote:

No he was saying I am red. And his case builds around the fact that MrZentor and Nisani is scum and I'm their scumbuddy coming to protect them.

On December 15 2011 12:46 zeks wrote:
wow both my calls were off as @#!*% i suck as town

On December 15 2011 13:35 GreYMisT wrote:
Am i correct in thinking that there are no bodygaurds for this election? and that the only thing that happens with the secretary of defense is that his role is revealed? then upon re-reading and thinking about it we need to treat the runner up slot like a second lynch. I want palmar in the elected spot so i am going to vote for him, but i am considering MrZentor as the runner up. voting him into the runner up will be a win-win for town. if he is town and he did not lie about his roleclaim, then the mafia gains nothing. however if he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one, we know who to target next.

On December 16 2011 01:36 zeks wrote:


Claims unlynchable day 1 and "useless" after that

Still has failed to answer my question about what his role name is

Half assed effort to run for a position to get a pardon

However I'll give you my vote today
not for election but for lynch

scum

On December 16 2011 03:31 Arctocod wrote:
Supersoft why are you alive? Is annul going to play today?


Rad while your play on the whole looks solid, I can't help but to return to the way the lynch went.



While that's something I could say, that doesn't really look like typical radfield behavior. You even acknowledged after xlviii that your play was too passive and you need to be more confident and now you just randomly switch to someone and barely justify it?

Mrzentor: Claim please. Full claim.

On December 16 2011 05:11 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:

We confirmed your role, not your alignment. You are likely town, but far from confirmed. Your role seems pro-town, but Eii's role seemed more pro-scum than pro-town, and yet he was town. So clearly that is not enough to confirm anything. Also, with all the last minute vote-switching/the withdrawal of Arctocod day 1...why in the hell did you not extend that day?

On December 17 2011 08:00 Arctocod wrote:

I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum.

Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability



It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum.

I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074

On December 17 2011 12:43 Radfield wrote:
OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not.

In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch


Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use?




This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate.

MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you.

On December 18 2011 05:56 Arctocod wrote:

A significant part of the case against him rests on the assumption that he is actually taking the game as seriously as his activity indiciates and is approaching things objectively. I have a difficult time believing that a smart townie would make certain statements and behave in the way he has. I actually want to believe that he is mafia, because otherwise I'm a bit disappointed in him, which may not be fair given that it's apparently his first forum mafia game. If he is mafia, he has played very well and I applaud his effort. I'll reread his filter after the flip before deciding whether I consider MrZentor or him the better lynch tomorrow.

On December 18 2011 06:33 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:



you have a 70/30-town/scum-ratio role. Your overall behaviour is really scummy.




there will be no medic on zentor, that's for sure.



I didn't check it yet, but if he really accused evantrees, I think he might be innocent. evantrees looks even more scummy to me right now.

On December 18 2011 06:47 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
you don't need protection, since it doesn't matter if your dead or alive. That sounds hard but it's true. You won't be able to lead this town later in the game. In fact, I am not 100% sure that you're town and Arctocod obviously isn't either. Now better contribute something and commentate about the other players that are in the spotlight right now:

sheth,
bumatlarge,
evantress,
cascades

On December 18 2011 06:47 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
you don't need protection, since it doesn't matter if your dead or alive. That sounds hard but it's true. You won't be able to lead this town later in the game. In fact, I am not 100% sure that you're town and Arctocod obviously isn't either. Now better contribute something and commentate about the other players that are in the spotlight right now:

sheth,
bumatlarge,
evantress,
cascades

On December 18 2011 06:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
but you aren't confirmed :-[

On December 18 2011 08:20 zeks wrote:


Explain how his power is pro town

Sure extended day = more time for town to think over their lynches thus it may seem its a pro town ability

But the power I think is somewhat similar to a pardon given that a scum was on the chopping block, the user can possibly give that scum more time to clear himself

MrZentor had no choice but to use his power to prove he wasn't lying per Arctocods request

MrZentor is not confirmed period

Note that MrZentor EXTRAPOLATED/EXAGGERATED his ability in saying he was unlynchable - turns out his skill was just extending day in which he could've been lynched after the 24 hours anyway. By no means was he unlynchable.

On December 19 2011 23:54 Radfield wrote:


Yes, that is actually quite strange. I did a bit of a double take at the time, but just ignored it given that the day extension power is quite pro-town.

MrZentor, do you also have a secondary ability of a double vote?

evantrees, I assume you are blue, do you have an investigative role?

On December 20 2011 07:05 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Whats your case against me right now Zentor? I know there is one, I'm just saying, whats yours? Why lynch grey and not myself for instance?

On December 20 2011 07:16 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Please do. Prompt Prompt.

On December 21 2011 03:25 zeks wrote:
evantrees needs to announce something

On December 21 2011 03:46 GreYMisT wrote:


Sure, that is if curu can announce from the dead

On December 21 2011 07:53 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:


No, I am not a paranoid cop. I am afraid, that you guys get paranoid and lynch Radfield and elect Zentor and Evantress.
Something like that.