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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 14 2011 23:02 GMT
#1120
On December 15 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
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On December 15 2011 07:58 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote:
No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum.
same for Zentor.
Why?

Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing.


Okay, this post.

What is going on with this post?

He's threatening to attack anyone who votes for the 2 present lynch candidates (or so I gather from the thread - the consensus seems to be that the lynch is either Zentor or Nisani). Why?

Because if they were mafia, their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. You know, like he's doing here. He backs it up with fear tactics (Bandwagons almost always "influenced by mafia") and imaginary statistics (99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing).

My read on risk.nuke gets redder and redder.

Why isn't anyone considering this guy seriously?

You do realise that YOU are nisani...


He was saying that zentor and nisani were the top lynch candidates at that time, not that they should be now...

No he was saying I am red. And his case builds around the fact that MrZentor and Nisani is scum and I'm their scumbuddy coming to protect them.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 14 2011 23:07 GMT
#1123
On December 15 2011 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 08:02 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 15 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:58 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote:
No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum.
same for Zentor.
Why?

Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing.


Okay, this post.

What is going on with this post?

He's threatening to attack anyone who votes for the 2 present lynch candidates (or so I gather from the thread - the consensus seems to be that the lynch is either Zentor or Nisani). Why?

Because if they were mafia, their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. You know, like he's doing here. He backs it up with fear tactics (Bandwagons almost always "influenced by mafia") and imaginary statistics (99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing).

My read on risk.nuke gets redder and redder.

Why isn't anyone considering this guy seriously?

You do realise that YOU are nisani...


He was saying that zentor and nisani were the top lynch candidates at that time, not that they should be now...

No he was saying I am red. And his case builds around the fact that MrZentor and Nisani is scum and I'm their scumbuddy coming to protect them.


No, I'm building a case based around your scummy bullshit bro. I never said they were red (and yes, I realize I'm Nisani). What I said was you were putting a stop to their lynch with your post, though I can see how you'd think that's what I meant.

I was saying that the way you were going about stopping the lynch was scummy.

So your case is I'm scummy because I'm stopping a lynch on two townies, okey now I get your logic.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 14 2011 23:26 GMT
#1128
On December 15 2011 08:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On December 15 2011 08:07 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 15 2011 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
On December 15 2011 08:02 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 15 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:58 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 15 2011 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote:
No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum.
same for Zentor.
Why?

Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing.


Okay, this post.

What is going on with this post?

He's threatening to attack anyone who votes for the 2 present lynch candidates (or so I gather from the thread - the consensus seems to be that the lynch is either Zentor or Nisani). Why?

Because if they were mafia, their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. You know, like he's doing here. He backs it up with fear tactics (Bandwagons almost always "influenced by mafia") and imaginary statistics (99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing).

My read on risk.nuke gets redder and redder.

Why isn't anyone considering this guy seriously?

You do realise that YOU are nisani...


He was saying that zentor and nisani were the top lynch candidates at that time, not that they should be now...

No he was saying I am red. And his case builds around the fact that MrZentor and Nisani is scum and I'm their scumbuddy coming to protect them.


No, I'm building a case based around your scummy bullshit bro. I never said they were red (and yes, I realize I'm Nisani). What I said was you were putting a stop to their lynch with your post, though I can see how you'd think that's what I meant.

I was saying that the way you were going about stopping the lynch was scummy.

So your case is I'm scummy because I'm stopping a lynch on two townies, okey now I get your logic.


LOL

No. That's not my point...although I have to ask, what makes you so certain that Zentor and I are townies? Seriously, inquiring minds want to know. That's information that only we and scum have, so explain how you've come across it with such certainty that you try and use it as a defense of my argument?

I'm not sure on you beeing townies, but since you're the ones accusing me I think you should have have arguments that doesn't involve you beeing mafia.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 14 2011 23:31 GMT
#1130
On December 15 2011 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
/facepalm

No you're the bloody facepalm, the fucking shit I have to put up with from you and fucking zentor. I'm getting an idea to why palmar wanted you shot.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 14 2011 23:49 GMT
#1134
Gigyas you said I contradicted myself by dissagreeing with something you said. You wrote what I said but what did you say I can't find it.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 00:04 GMT
#1137
I'm angry and I got every right to be. Look at Zentor, read his last two pages of post, maybe I've missed one but there isn't one that isn't either defending him or attacking me. Very usefull guy. And Vicera, for everything I say he says I'm more scum and I still don't even know what his point is.
On December 15 2011 08:54 GiygaS wrote:
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On December 15 2011 08:49 risk.nuke wrote:
Gigyas you said I contradicted myself by dissagreeing with something you said. You wrote what I said but what did you say I can't find it.


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On December 13 2011 05:00 GiygaS wrote:
I have already stated that I would want an exception to the no pardon rule (before anyone else actually, I stated that the pardoner rule should only be used in aforementioned exceptions). I'm just thinking of a hypothetical situations that we suddenly get a really strong scum-read on somebody, and the majority of people in the thread want to lynch this new guy, but there are a lot of inactives who can't switch their vote because they are afk. Basically, we want to regulate these kind of exceptions so that we don't have no direction when these sitautions arise. This is what I want:

When the Pardoner should Pardon:
In a period of time of 30 minutes to 3 hours before the lynch, a pardoner can commence an unofficial voting session . All those active int he thread at this time will HAVE to vote either Yes or No to pardon the person in quesiton.

This keeps the pardoner power in the hands of the town, and keeps things by and large under control. If anyone has any doubts ont his subject, bring them up, and we may want to change some of the restrictions on this. If there's a stituation that this rule did not think of, I would really feel bad

On the subject of rules for elected officials: I believe mayoral candidates should declare who their hidden vote is for. The benefits simply outweigh the negatives. Sure, the mafia gets a better idea of the voting situation, but it gives the mayor far more transparency, and gives us ability to monitor and regulate these powerful roles.

On the subject of campaigns, I'm going to be voting for Radfield/Arctocod.and more specifically Arctocod. I feel he's being more transparent than Radfield, and has been raising some good points with good logic. I feel like Radfield has kind of said canned start of game sort of stuff so far, so i don't have any reason to think he's mafia, but I'm not convinced he's totally town either. Again, I'm leaning more int eh way that he's town because he brought up another very good palyer so quickly, who I would believe would be a threat to him if he was a mafia.

On to the subject of who I want to vote:
I'll be be putting my tentative lynch vote on Zeks. This will turn in to a real vote if I come back in 3 hours and no new info has really been unveilied/no info that's an easy analysis for a lynch. The points against him have been pointed out by Deus-Ex, he wanted to vote a hydra off for really no reason, other than what I can see that he's threatened by them (a mafia would be threatened!) He also dissappeared for a while, and when he returned, he just quickly answered a quesiton, and didn't either reference or defend his accusations.



There ya go.

What I ment were reasons for the pardoner to SINGLEHANDEDLY decide if he wanted to pardon if something suspicious happens. But he should be aware that an (judged by the town) inadequate reason will get him lynched. You're saying that it should be decided by majority by those present. I know think a setup like that will likely favor the mafia.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 00:14 GMT
#1141
On December 15 2011 09:07 GiygaS wrote:
But what I was saying is you proposed this system in the first place, I was just adding some specifics, and then you immediately pulled a 180 with 0 explanation on the subject.

My suggestion would hold the pardoner acountable of his actions. You're suggesting is a minority majority vote and I think it can be abused by mafia.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 00:27 GMT
#1151
Ehm, didn't GiygaS say he sent Eiii that box?
Also was it Eiii's abillity that hit Arctocod, it seems to fit.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 00:54 GMT
#1180
Well they could still be mafia partners. It would be pretty clever to set it up like that to kill a townie and get away with it and it would also false-confirm giygas as town. Altough I'm always thinking about wifom stuff like this and I don't this this was the case, not even alittle. Since the election I've been trusting Arctocod out of desperation. Right now though I think they are both town and telling the truth.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 00:57 GMT
#1185
Palmar what do you think of me. Right now I got Zentor, The Professor and ViceraEyes pushing hard for my lynch. I'm sure I'll get hit tonight but no medic will protect me as it looks right now.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 01:00 GMT
#1189
On December 15 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On December 15 2011 09:46 Arctocod wrote:
Anonymous, but he made it quite clear in the thread that it was from him.

The fact GiygaS gave us the right to control the package said a shitton about his alignment. Syllo and I aren't always right, but we have a pretty good track record of hitting scum early in games, so sending us a PM with an explanation of his ability, and how we give him a signal to use it, is very, very pro-town. I really doubt scum would risk us hitting a red by basically giving us a vigilante shot on night 1.

Obviously you need to think we're town in order for GiygaS to be town, but I'm guessing most people already figured out that we're town by now.

So yeah, GiygaS is basically off the table as a lynch candidate.


Palmogism lies about the contents of the package. Why?

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On December 15 2011 01:39 Arctocod wrote:


Hello Eiii

prplhz pointed out your radical change of mind.

you should be receiving your gift soon enough. Please accept it, or the consequences for you will be... mortal.


Clearly he read and understood the message, why say he didn't know who it was from? I understand wanting to CONFIRM who it was from, but he literally JUST said that the package was anonymous, yet 'Hi I'm GiygaS' was the first line in the message? WTF?

You're an idiot. Anyone could had written "Hi this is Giygas"
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 01:01 GMT
#1191
On December 15 2011 09:59 xsksc wrote:
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On December 15 2011 09:57 risk.nuke wrote:
Palmar what do you think of me. Right now I got Zentor, The Professor and ViceraEyes pushing hard for my lynch. I'm sure I'll get hit tonight but no medic will protect me as it looks right now.


Why would you get hit? You're not looking extremely town to me right now.

That is precisly why I'll get hit. People who look town get medicprotection, mafia generally wants to avoid going after that group to ensure as many as thier hits as possible are succesfull. Which makes me a floating duck.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 01:12 GMT
#1199
On December 15 2011 10:02 ProfessorBadass wrote:
lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.

If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you?

Your ignorence just makes you look scum. Tell me you can't think of a single reason in that scenario so palmar can lynch you.
I wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. You make it sound like it's in stone but really it's just you three who are idiots or/and mafia.

ViceraEye, after your performance today I can call you whatever I want. You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 01:33 GMT
#1210
On December 15 2011 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On December 15 2011 10:23 ProfessorBadass wrote:
On December 15 2011 10:12 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 15 2011 10:02 ProfessorBadass wrote:
lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.

If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you?

Your ignorence just makes you look scum. Tell me you can't think of a single reason in that scenario so palmar can lynch you.
I wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. You make it sound like it's in stone but really it's just you three who are idiots or/and mafia.

ViceraEye, after your performance today I can call you whatever I want. You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you.


You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection.

Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy.


Maybe you can answer this: why would scum knock out Palmogism rather than Rad, who was leading for Mayor, and therefor had more town-cred (or whatever gets you elected in these things) than Palmogism? Why not knock out the Mayor if they're looking for someone 'dangerous' to them to 'remove protections' from?

Radfield could be mafia. Just saying. He played a terrible towngame last night, and if both arctocod and radfield were town why did mafia choose arctocod and not radfield who at the time looked more town then arcto.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 01:38 GMT
#1213
On December 15 2011 10:36 ProfessorBadass wrote:
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On December 15 2011 10:33 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 15 2011 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
On December 15 2011 10:23 ProfessorBadass wrote:
On December 15 2011 10:12 risk.nuke wrote:
On December 15 2011 10:02 ProfessorBadass wrote:
lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.

If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you?

Your ignorence just makes you look scum. Tell me you can't think of a single reason in that scenario so palmar can lynch you.
I wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. You make it sound like it's in stone but really it's just you three who are idiots or/and mafia.

ViceraEye, after your performance today I can call you whatever I want. You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you.


You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection.

Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy.


Maybe you can answer this: why would scum knock out Palmogism rather than Rad, who was leading for Mayor, and therefor had more town-cred (or whatever gets you elected in these things) than Palmogism? Why not knock out the Mayor if they're looking for someone 'dangerous' to them to 'remove protections' from?

Radfield could be mafia. Just saying. He played a terrible towngame last night, and if both arctocod and radfield were town why did mafia choose arctocod and not radfield who at the time looked more town then arcto.


lol what? Radfield's play last night was disagreeing with Nisani and MrZentor lynches (something you agreed with him on as well).

He agreed on the Spaackles case which I felt was the best (duh, I posted it). So to play less bad he should've made random statements about GreyMist saying he had a gut feeling he was scum right?

Your posts get more and more ridiculous.

Radfields play last night, was not doing a shit or comment on anything significant untill the last minute where he decided the lynch.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 01:58 GMT
#1217
On December 15 2011 10:53 bumatlarge wrote:
What was the arcotod withdrawal about? And is the night not over? Eiii was just killed by a instant vig or something?

We belive scum used a special abillity to force Arctocod to withdraw. As of now it is not clear wether the abillity was to create a fake post, Withdraw the candidate or just nullify all votes. The night is not over. Giygas had some mailman abillitys that he used to privately tell Arctocod that he could kill a person. Arctocod then told Giygas to send the letter-bomb (which if opened kills the reciever) to eiii.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 02:47 GMT
#1227
On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:
may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark.

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On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night?


"Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town."
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[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B]
[image loading]


Breaking News!


Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!


Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.


and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason.
probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible.
Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
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not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.

this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 02:49 GMT
#1230
my bad, missed that.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 03:23 GMT
#1249
On December 15 2011 12:20 Radfield wrote:
Well, so much for my protection....

Ok, so Arctocod for Secretary of Defence. Then the medic ability can be WIFOMed between the two of us. Someone who is very likely town in Surgeon General, probably Gigyas.

I assume someone took a hit last night?

I'm good with this. going to bed now.
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Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
December 15 2011 20:13 GMT
#1353
Hardly a scumrole. There is a limit to how crual the hosts (palmar and caller excluded) can be in a closed setup. Now I'm getting mixed feelings Zentor is 99% confirmed town, on the other hand I don't want to trust him with a blue powerrole because I doubt he can put it to good use. In the end it will come down to how sure I am on Arctocod.

Zentor you're not in the danger you claim to be. You're just green right now. It's not like it's mega-likely you'll get hit, in alot of gamed mafia prefers to try and get blue roles or players who can be a threat to them. You don't fall in either category, Still you should be wifomed to the medics so mafia can't just freekill you.

I'm going to change my playstyle, I wont spam up the thread like wbg anymore I don't like to play that way to begin with. I'm feeling very bummed down at mafia right now so I'm not sure how hard I can care to scumhunt, it's alot of effort and right now atleast I'm not in the mood for it. If anyone wants to know why it's in the spoiler.+ Show Spoiler +
Newbie mafia. I'm vanilla townie. I establish I am one of the better players in the game. Stops a bandwagon on Skrammen (our only medic). That night I tries to ensure that the medic will know to protect me by writing a strong analystic post once again make it clear that I need protection. I get shot Night 1.

Steamship. I'm vanilla townie, The town is in chaos and nobody can get a read on anything because some townies are just trolling. I die night 2.

XLVII. I'm veteran. All the lurkerbanes get killed for inactivity and half the town belives the draw the mafia offered us out if pitty is because they thought we had cought all the mafia.

Sheth, I think you're loosing yourself in wifom, I did just that in my first forum game and I had the same background as you, playing a ton of irl mafia. I think it's likely they just sent a shot at Arctocod to see if they could get lucky.
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