EPTI assume this means that we have blue roles who have powers which activate during the daytime, likely to do with elections, voting etc.
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I assume this means that we have blue roles who have powers which activate during the daytime, likely to do with elections, voting etc. | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:08 Refallen wrote: Sorry, really didn't have time to do anything than a quick skim or two of the thread and I just decided to bandwagon him. I understand that this seems like a scummy thing to do but honestly with everyone pushing for a lynch I thought that getting on the bandwagon would be the most beneficial for town (see TL Mafia XLVIII for when no-lynches happen and screws town up lolol) Refallen there is no chance of a mislynch in this game. Whoever gets the most votes dies. | ||
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On December 14 2011 12:24 zeks wrote: Switching through 3~ish candidates in the last minutes is pretty bad Radfield Hope it doesnt come to this tomorrow. Yep, that seems to be my style these days  Day 1 is not my strong suit, but I can guarantee I will do better Day 2 I have plenty of time over the next few days.If I was scum, I would doublestack Arctocod tonight. I highly recommend all medics cover them, it leaves mafia free to snipe other players, but I think that is an OK trade-off. There is a chance that Arctocod removed themselves in order to buy town credit. I find this highly unlikely: 1. If Arctocod was scum, they would have removed me from office, as I am far more likely to find them out than any other player. 2. That would be a substantial waste of a very important role. We don't know what elections will be in the future, and some may be very beneficial for mafia to get. Using it now to buy a little town cred is a waste. 3. Mafia wants the elected roles filled with mafia. If they used the ability on themselves it simply allows a chance for a different townie to get elected. | ||
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Not to mention there is no need for scum to go balls to wall and orchestrate two vote switches at the last minute on day 1. + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 18:34 Cwave wrote: Filter Radfield Mhhhhh out of the ordinary smiley usage when i look at all your other posts, rebuttles and answers in your filter. And you start using the smileys after your being asked about your weird last minute vote switch dance. Something you just don't do if you are pro-town or a veteran at this game. Or both. You have an aura of scum around you now, Radfield. Very dark and very grey. lol Scum hunting at it's finest.On December 14 2011 15:01 Arctocod wrote: Radfield that was a really bad lynch, are you scum after all? We did not voluntarily withdraw if that wasn't obvious. I actually thought it was a decent lynch. In case you didn't notice you left without actually putting up a real candidate for lynch, which means your capacity to complain is vastly reduced  Nisani was a lame lynch, no better than heir in xlviii. For all I knew he was getting modkilled anyways. As far as electing ProBad, it seemed like the best course of action under the circumstances. I honestly thought about prplhz instead, but did not want to spend time arguing why. If curu is town he will be a strong asset, end of story. If he is scum it's not particularly worrisome. If you read the thread you already know all this though, so lets move on. | ||
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On December 14 2011 23:33 Arctocod wrote: Shut up syllo, you're soft. Radfield, you know just as well as I do that pushing a lynch onto a townie that seems to be active is much more terrible than going after a lurker. Also, what's with the preference in one lurker over another? At least we gave explanations for that. Did you intentionally or accidentally ignore my point that he looked pretty town? Did you not agree with it? What was the reasoning for pushing his lynch over for example nisani? /Palmar Read the thread Palmar. it's all there If you actually want an answer ask me a question that I can't just quote a post of mine. I really like these split personalities though. Why are you trying to make me draw heat here? I didn't lose any sleep over lynching spaackle, and I'm sure you didn't either. Sucks that he was a politician, but that role is not even particularly good in most townies hands. Far to easy to cause damage if your reads are off. Do you think I am scummy Palmar? Do you think there's a reasonable chance that that's how I would've played Day 1 if I was scum? You guys are the vaunted day 1 scumhunters, so tell me who is scum and stop spending your time cutting me down. | ||
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so awesome. So VE, what do you think of Arctocod? | ||
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On December 14 2011 23:56 Arctocod wrote: For the record Radfield, I've never claimed to be a particularly good scum hunter, let alone day 1, it's more that most players in the current pool aren't very good. Just saying because you make it sound like I've been bragging. /syllogism True enough, but your record is pretty good for early catches, though not necessarily Day 1. Let move on and find scum day 2. What are your thoughts on zeks. Reading his filter I get mixed messages. | ||
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On December 15 2011 00:01 Arctocod wrote: @Radfield These are your only mentions of Spacckle, that aren't just agreeing with other people, telling town to lynch him, or linking to his filter. I guess you also said one of his analysis was "scummy" without elaborating further at some point during the day. Do you really think that's a better case than this: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2011 09:22 Arctocod wrote: So yeah, Syllo went to sleep like 2 hours ago, we came up with both the ideas of pressuring Sheth and DropBear during the day, but both players seemed to respond in a way that wasn't conclusively scum. I also think the case against MrZentor is kinda weak, as is the case against Zeks. Just little things like MrZentor's brutal honesty about "having to make 2 posts" and Zeks's willingness to aggressively attack people's skills. It doesn't prove that they're town, but it makes it less likely they're scum. We simply could not reach a conclusive case on anyone as scum today. So we're going with the next best thing, vote someone who doesn't look like he's town, and I don't believe will contribute to the game. I'm going to stick our vote for the day on Nisani201 Here's a link to his filter: Clicky There are multiple reasons for him being the choice. First off, there is nothing in his filter that's distinctly town. There is nothing that makes me go "hmmm... that does like kinda town-like". That's always the first thing to look for. However, he is being kinda lurkery today, he's provided very little content of any value. He does seem to be less of a dick than he usually is as town, He seems to not have a strong opinion on whom to vote today as can be seen this post: Lynching for information is a common misconception, we always attempt to lynch scum. Based on Nisani's history as town, he increases scum's chance of winning the game regardless of his alignment, he does stupid shit as town, and thus gets away with stupid shit as scum. I cannot conclusively prove he's scum, but I think he's by far the most viable lynch we have at the moment. ##Vote Nisani201 Do you honestly think that those two mentions of spaackle from your filter are enough to answer my question of why you chose Spaackle as the lynch target? I spent a considerable amount of time reading the thread. I mean, maybe in your world this is enough of an explanation for your actions, but I would like to see something more. I'm going to give you this though, you did mention you agreed with this point: But do you really think that changing his mind makes him scum? Whatever, I'm not lynching you tomorrow, I just hate your current apathetic play. /Palmar You're case on Nisani was just a policy lynch. I did honestly feel like we could do better. I agree that there is nothing in Nisani's filter that screams town, but there is nothing scummy either. Theres just nothing. I've never played with Nisani before, and multiple people were stating his play has shown signs of improvement. It just seemed like a waste. Spaackle on the other hand rubbed me the wrong way from his first analysis post on Nisani and Jitsu(?). Then him flip flopping on Nisani sealed the deal. Originally I preferred evantrees or refallen, but spaackle did in fact contradict himself. He originally had Nisani's posting down as town, and then referred to his posting as looking a bit scummy. It wasn't much. but it was something. Of course changing your mind doesn't make you scummy, but changing it when no further info has presented itself, and town opinion has swung the other way does get you scumpoints. I'm not trying to be apathetic, but I've felt a little lost the last couple day 1's so I'm not going to make a big deal out of a mislynch. I excel on day 2.5 and beyond, and thats what I want to do this game as well. | ||
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On December 15 2011 01:02 risk.nuke wrote: 26 player game, there is no telling how many protection roles we have but you're missing the mainpoint, if medics will be focusing on 3 people most likely mafia wont be willing to risk going after anyone of us. this is pretty basic. As for me, I am town and if I don't get medic protection or atleast mafia belives there is a chance i am protected and aren't willing to gamble a kp on me I will ket killed tonight. Mafia isn't as slow as town, they know it's just a matter of time before I convince you I am town, it will save them alot of trouble to get rid of me now before I have proven myself town and will have protection. I think for a 26 man game with we'll have atleast 3 protective roles very possibly more, but I don't know what the blue roles look like. we might have something else to compensate but that doesn't matter. The important part is mafia don't know either and we can discourage them from going after either one of us 3. Why dropbear. He's a good player, and I don't think he is scum. He will likely prove his worth if he lives. No, if you tell the medics to protect among those three, they doublestack arcto and pick off someone else like greymist/duesex/prplhz. That is not a situation we want. I appreciate that it sucks to unWIFOM our medics, but they need to protect arctocod tonight. The likelihood of 3 protective roles when we already have 2 unkillable players(mayor+pardoner) seems very unlikely. | ||
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On December 15 2011 01:39 Arctocod wrote: Hello Eiii prplhz pointed out your radical change of mind. you should be receiving your gift soon enough. Please accept it, or the consequences for you will be... mortal. Does it make sense to you that 3 different players are claiming to have sent you a package? | ||
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However presumably that means one of either Gigyas or Jitsu is lying, yet you don't seem bothered by it. | ||
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Spell it out for me, because this is what I see: On December 14 2011 15:41 Arctocod wrote: Also, I received a PM from the host. I need some of you to believably pretend to know what it is about and answer to this post so that whoever is the cause of the PM can reveal himself to me. If you are it, be specific enough. On December 14 2011 15:42 GiygaS wrote: Hey, if you trust me: open the package, it is a message. On December 14 2011 15:55 Jitsu wrote: Arcto, don't worry about the middle part of the PM. You need to pay most attention to the first part, and the very last sentence. The middle was required because of my role. On December 14 2011 16:07 GiygaS wrote: Arc I feel I should be more precise. First of all, I take full responsibility for the package you just received, it is a message, nothing more, nothing less. It is unmarked, completely, and when you "open" it, you get access tot he package. You have full access to use discretion with the contents inside. On December 14 2011 21:41 risk.nuke wrote: @Arctocod It involves money and bribes On December 15 2011 00:08 GiygaS wrote: Arctocod, are you going to do anything with the info? On December 15 2011 00:16 Arctocod wrote: Obviously every piece of information can prove useful in due time, we'll see On December 15 2011 01:39 Arctocod wrote: Hello Eiii prplhz pointed out your radical change of mind. you should be receiving your gift soon enough. Please accept it, or the consequences for you will be... mortal. I assume this means you accept that Gigyas actually sent you the package. Do you think Jitsu and risk.nuke were just trolling? Whats the deal? | ||
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On December 15 2011 02:00 Jitsu wrote: No. I had nothing to do with the withdrawal. For the record, I think if we run into the same situation next time, we should manipulate the votes in such a way so that the 'withdrawn' player still has the second most votes, and our alternate vote is 3rd in the line. That way, if the post is simply shadow games, our desired number two pick is still selected, with a backup ready in the wings in case it's not. I agree with this. We want a third string candidate for every election from now on. (or a second string if there is only 1 player elected) | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:05 risk.nuke wrote: That's insanely stupid. Player who have the potential to be of great use to town should never be vig'd. And rofl at vigging him this soon. What's to say he isnt jsut trying to stay under the mafia rader so he can live and be of great use to us later in game. Fucking idiocy to kill a person like that and even more useless to waste a vig on him. Why do you think Dropbear is town? Why do you think he is going to be an asset to town this game? So far his play has been very lacking. You're right that it probably doesn't make sense for vigilantes to shoot tonight though. If you only have one bullet, and are not likely to get shot, it makes sense to save it for Night 2 or 3. However, if you have multiple bullets or have to shoot, he is a good target. Mainly though I just wanted to see what syllo had to say. I expected him to say Dropbear, and I'm glad he did. | ||
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On December 15 2011 03:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Radfield / Arctocod Please take a little bit of time to read up on the Prplhz vs Zeks discussion on page 43-44. Do you think Zeks is someone we should pressure a bit, or not so much? I don't actually see anything on page 44 between zeks and prplhz. There's really not much to their convo on pg 43 either. As I said earlier though, I'm getting mixed messages on zeks. Some good points and some bad ones. | ||
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