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(I really thought palmar was scum that game haha) | ||
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anyway I'm going to bed look orward to reading this thread tomorrow! | ||
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Oh, I forgot to confirm. I read my PM etc before I made any posts once the day had started (just to be clear that I am aware of my role align in all of my posts etc etc). I thought this was weird by vader, wouldn't this be automatically assumed? Not sure what to make of this though, whether it leans him more to a powerrole/mafia or just nothing special. I agree with redFF's analysis for the most part, and I especially found it weird that Palmar proposed the no-day lynch, which indicates him to be maybe scum. However, I'm not sure how far Palmar posting "useless" stuff would go in proving he was scum; from what I read of XLVII (admittedly the only time I saw Palmar play), he just likes to post huge amounts of text, whether it might be immediately useful or not; seems to me he's just throwing his thoughts out there, hardly a scum tell. VisceraEyes Scum-List of Correctitude Palmar - I liked Red's case on Palmar, and his attempt to discredit it by discrediting me is telling. Like, yeah...he thinks I'm bad...but my skill-level has nothing to do with Red's points or Palmar's posts. It's a ridiculous non-defense, and it's scummy as hell. SCUM. Drazerk - His criticism of Radfield of his RNG vote caught my eye. Like, what's the point there? Does he think he's scum trying to appear to contribute? Does he think he knows how to play better than Rad? We don't know because he doesn't say. It looks to me like he's soft-defending prplhz...especially when he says things like "...you're not going to stick with Prplhz throughout the entire day and if you do you're tunneling him which has drawbacks"....it stinks of pre-knowledge. Not to mention the fact that he's posted several times and hasn't voted OR given his opinions on any players. SCUM. We still have a lot of lurkers, I'd like to see content from everyone fastly. You know, I find this post a bit weird. He points out in the Palmar argument that skill level discussions are irrelevant when deciding who to vote; a good point. And yet he uses the same line of argument to argue for Drazerk being scum, simply for critisizing Radfield. ("Does he think he knows how to play better than Rad?"). It sounds like you're trying to get people to vote Palmar... Right now I think Corrupt looks pretty scummy but he hasn't really had a chance to speak out and defend himself yet. Still, if day ends now I would vote him to be mafia. PS: What does EBWOP mean? Also, how do you get the "On Date XXX YYY wrote:" when you quote? | ||
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(Also I find it interesting that the other person who has called out Drazerk is VE, who I think to be slightly suspicious as well) | ||
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On December 05 2011 13:47 Refallen wrote: not only that but the claim that there has been nothing in the past 17 pages to analyze suggests that he is more likely scum than town. I have a hard time believing that any townie would say they found nothing special in the past 17 pages, and even if they did, they would more likely be trying to generate discussion by asking questions rather than throwing out a random vote to someone who is town and distracting everyone from it. (Also I find it interesting that the other person who has called out Drazerk is VE, who I think to be slightly suspicious as well) ^^ my reasoning And haha I think I only seem defensive because the thread is moving soooooooooooo slowly and I'm waiting for the NASL finals to finish | ||
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Refallen: Why did you emphasize before and after the game started that you are new? Do you think it's important for us to know that we can't expect much from you yet? Hi syllo, missed this part earlier till I reread the thread, yes, I just thought it would be nice to say that I was new | ||
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My initial thoughts: Palmar: wtf was that? There can be no rational that was optimal play, to lie blatantly and act like an idiot to try to get a tell on one person, and in the process destroying the whole town atmosphere. (Also you should've probably made it much clearer that you were fake-claiming). Fancy-play syndrome much? Vader: I don't see why you would shoot soap, seeing as how you admitted that soap's play was very much like how he played town last game. With that being said at this juncture I don't think either Palmar or vader are scum, they were at worst being retarded. I highly doubt that Palmar would, as scum, set this whole fake-claim thing up and not back off once v7 claimed dayvig since v7's target was most likely Palmar. I just don't see why he as scum would do it, since I assume he's a really good scum player who has no reason to draw attention to himself like this so early in the game, and would rather try to choose a less-obvious way to take control of town discussions. As for v7 I can't see him as scum either, though I think it was retarded he immediately cc-ed dayvig without just waiting for people to defend himself from Palmar's retardedness. I'm assuming mafia can talk at day among themselves too right? Think if he was scum his buddies would probably tell him that claiming dayvig against palmar's claim is stupid. Lastly, I think there are better people to lynch, for example, Hier, for reasons aforementioned above | ||
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In this set of quotes Refallen asks other players to justify their votes without providing his own comments. The purpose is to redirect the focus onto other players while distracting the Town. - Hide Spoiler - On December 04 2011 23:33 Refallen wrote:hyshes why are you voting for syllogism? On December 05 2011 02:00 Refallen wrote:redFF why do you say Palmar is acting scummy? Kingjames posted this and said that it was an attempt by me to redirect/distract the town. That's not true at all; I have not been redirecting votes. What I have been trying to do was ask questions in order to gain more information about people's claims. For example, for the first quote, I noticed hyshes voted for syllogism in the voting thread without posting any reason in this thread, so I wanted him to clarify. Similarly, redFF posted this We are not even discussing nolynch until much later on in the game. It is the worst thing we can do day 1 because it gives us no information and mafia free kills. end of discussion. Palmar looks kinda scummy right now. ##Vote Palmar and so I wanted to seek additional clarification about why he was voting for Palmar, which he duly gave. I hardly see how getting more information about people's votes = scum. Again, the next few set of quotes were me trying to give my analysis on players. You stated that I was trying to redirect/distract people, but that's not what I was doing at all. I was actively trying to give my thoughts on players which other people were discussing to be scum. On the contrary, Soap's post was much more of a redirection/distraction in the sense that he stated there was no useful information in 15+ pages of posts, and so decided to random lynch someone? At least, to me, that seemed completely weird. Though maybe I jumped on the wagon too fast. Perhaps I followed annul's vote too fast, but it appeared to me that Soap was clearly scummy, which I later retracted after being told about his past posts. And your claim that this was merely an excuse to retract my vote is quite baffling. In the wake of new information, one should appropriately change his vote. As for the Palmar/V7 thing, again, I was just trying to clarify the situation. I also wanted to try and defend Palmar/V7 because I didn't think they were scum. I joined the vote against Hier because I felt that my most intended target, visceraleyes, would not have been able to get the 13 votes needed, and as some players pointed out earlier, lynching someone lurking>not lynching at all. I hope that addressed your concerns about me being mafia. | ||
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[QUOTE]On December 07 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote: [QUOTE]On December 06 2011 23:08 syllogism wrote: Sandroba any thoughts on Annul's and kingjames01's play so far?[/QUOTE] Annul is playing very simillar to what he did day1 in the last game, which made me suspicious of him. However he did shape up day 2 and I was able to correctly identify him as town that game. I'll reserve judgement to tomorrow if I'm alive, if not it's up to you bastards to decide. @Annul Can you please point me to a game where you lasted a bit as scum, I'm in a mood to read right now. Both kingjames and risen put out a lot of effort yesterday when they already knew Hier flips was inevitable. Hier's alignment was at that point a blind guess so it's very suspicious behaviour indeed as no townie would know for sure the outcome of the lynch and any effort at that time was simply being converted into looking good and uselesly defending an innocent who was about to flip. They are both very suspicious and should be looked into with more detail. QUOTE]On December 07 2011 02:01 hyshes wrote: [QUOTE]On December 06 2011 07:07 sandroba wrote: What the fuck, insta-delurk when called out. I think you got one there.[/QUOTE] I consider sandroba the scumiest from atm. Lanaia did not insta-delurk there.. why would you say that? [QUOTE] This is falacy. Lanaia DID insta-delurk there, she posted 10 min after radfield posted an attack on her, while she was missing for 2 hours. Last game 2 players (greymist and matchew) did the same thing and I called them out for it and they ended up being mafia indeed. I stand by my opinion that lanaia is scum. @Hyshes why would you blatantly lie to cast suspicion onto me?[/QUOTE] LOL.. i wasn't lying. What did you think about coincidence? returning to the thread after 2h isn't that weird.. You are the one lying. [/QUOTE] Coincidence is named that for a reason; it happens rarely. It is a way more reasonable assumption to think somoene was lurking and responded to an attack rather than naming it as coincidence. And VE weren't you the one who was adamant about getting on a Palmar wagon? Why the sudden attack on redFF for doing the same? | ||
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This includes: kingjames (by both syllo and supersoft) Lanaia annul What are you guy's thoughts on the night's happenings? | ||
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Also, if annul got medic'd, and reds have 3kp, that means that mafia didn't target drazerk? Wouldn't he have been a prime target? | ||
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On December 07 2011 19:15 TruthBringer wrote: I made a decision at the start of this new day that I would give Palmar a second chance to prove his townliness, but as I suspected he would, he started day 2 off being just as worthless as he was on day 1. Some guardian angels saved him yesterday when he was receiving lots of votes ("let's switch to zero suspicion hier!") Bring it on, try and save him again without giving yourselves away. ##vote Palmar I completely disagree actually, I've had my misgivings about Palmar but I believe he's been showing himself to be quite pro-town the more he posts. Why do you say that he started day 2 off being worthless Truth? What are your thoughts on his posts on day 2 so far? Also, I've noticed you've been bandwagoning quite a lot. For example, you bandwagoned with kingjames to vote me on day 1 and now you're doing the same on day 2. You look more the scum than Palmar atm I think he's useless, and given that I think annul should be the guy we're talking about today I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I cannot be certain of his alignment either way at this moment. Yes, right now I believe annul, maybe kingjames should be the guys we're talking about today too. They need to defend themselves in the thread. | ||
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And yeah Toad, obviously the votes are not set in stone yet. Have to wait till annul comes on and defends himself. At this point in time I feel he's definitely the best lynch now though. Still, we still have a good 36 hours in the day, so that's plenty of time for counter-arguments and more discussion. | ||
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On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote: ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia? 1. I think it's v7 and Palmar. 2. No, I think he's town. | ||
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To be honest, this doesn't convince me at all. It still appears that you were doing EXACTLY what I said you were, namely, looking for reasons to vote and when bandwagons didn't coalesce, looking for reasons to retract your vote. I have been looking for reasons to vote, if you put it that way. Obviously, I haven't been really confident enough to attempt my own analyses yet and so I've been just looking at other people's opinions, checking with my own ideas about what I think about a particular person, and if I find the reasons to be strong enough I'll vote for him. I don't really think that's scummy, though you would be justified in calling me a sheep right now, and I will try to change that. And I don't think I've been 'coalescing on bandwagons and then finding a reason to retract my vote'. It was the Soap incident, and as I pointed out, the meta thing about Soap was entirely new information that was valuable. This doesn't even make sense. You can't blindly look at a dead Townie's suspect list and then say, "AHA! Mafia!" This post is very typical of an inexperienced mafia. Are you hoping that the Town will eliminate players that are suspicious of you? I thought this would have been a good way to make use of the information we got from the killings. Obviously, there's levelling in play here but at that moment, with that new information, I thought that was the best way to make use of it. I don't think this was very mafia-ish at all, and at worst it is the mark of an inexperienced player. I already addressed the doublestack point; come on, that argument is so weak it's not even funny. Why? Cause dead Townies who CANNOT possibly know our alignments were suspicious? Are you perhaps mafia and you wanted them dead BECAUSE they were suspicious of us? You weren't successful hitting annul due to him being saved and you couldn't kill me directly because I had only denounced you and that would have put a lot of heat on you? Mafia trickery. I don't get this point, can you rephrase it? | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:32 Mattchew wrote: anyone on palmar looks really scummy v7 just gave concrete proof hes town Annul is on palmar! | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:48 Mattchew wrote: WE HAVE 10 FUCKING MINUTES PEOPLE ITS redFF OR NO LYNCH... YOU DECIDE There's not even 6 people online ATM, seems like its you me kingjames redFF and annul. We need a lynch, and I really hope you and kingjames would switch to annul and then make your case on me tomorrow or we will have a nolynch | ||
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On December 10 2011 13:27 Zephirdd wrote: Well, it seems nobody else is online/caring atm. So, analyzing it. The post says he was... strangled, poisoned, shot four times, beaten and THEN drowned. There is no kill like overkill heh There was only one kill as well in contrast to the two from night 1. Unless someone claims to have been protected, I guess it's safe to assume that Rad was stacked; which means mafia really wanted him dead. Look for cases he was pushing. If mafia wanted to kill someone with cred, they'd target Toads. If they stacked Radfield, they were scared of him, because he was making sense. Of course, all of this is true only if Rad was stacked; if a medic tried to protect him, it's a good idea to claim that IMO(unless, ofc, you want to remain anonymous for now). Bad news(for me) is that all my gut feelings were completely wrong and I can't trust myself anymore. Good news is that I'll be able to confirm Palmar's alignment. Palmar is town I'll claim it. I am a Parity Cop, which means I can chose a person per night, and the result of my investigation will be "Same" or "Different", according to the investigation from the last night. Night 1, I get 'No Result'. Night 1 I chose Palmar to investigate, as he would be my comparative to night 2. He is my strongest town read atm, so I assume it wwas a good idea. Night 2 I chose Radfield because I thought he was mafia, so a 'Different' would basically tell me he is mafia. Obviously, it is not the case; however, the investigation will provide me "Same" or "Different", which means I'll know the exact alignment of Palmar as we know that Refallen is green. My investigation provided me "Same", therefore, Palmar is 100% town. I'd say that should clear any issues of "Palmar is scum" that any player may have yet. Palmar is our ally, and we can at least trust that he is playing for us. If you have any doubts about this, please check my first post on the game, precisely the last line. I told you I'd find out who is enemy of who - alignments of players in relation of others. Also, since Palmar is town, is it safe to assume that annul is scum? Zeph, why should the medic who protected palmar claim? | ||
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I think the reason for so many bad plays was because of night/day ending at timezones which were not convenient for most of the players... Anyway, feedback for my play is appreciated. | ||
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On December 19 2011 07:27 syllogism wrote: Well yes that was bad, forgot about that. The medic shouldn't have protected him, but can't really fault him for that. Also, my bad, I protected Drazerk night 1 haha. | ||
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On December 19 2011 09:17 Curu wrote: lol I just noticed too wtf was Refallen doing? How do you let syllo Radfield and Palmar all die? I admit I did a lot wrong and not much right. Especially night 1, since I had no idea who all these players were nor drazerk's history of fake role-claiming. Nor did I know that syllo was a super good player. And radfield died because I protected Palmar from a hit the same night. I think my problems were that though I had some scum reads which were quite accurate, I didn't make clear cases on them. Any more feedback is appreciated | ||
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 Should I have claimed medic? | ||
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