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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 09:45 ey215 wrote: No, my case on you is... That I may find further evidence of it is not trying to get anyone to do anything. Who is "these two" Also, if you find further evidence of it, please do present it! I'd be glad to investigate as well. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 09:51 Adam4167 wrote: I think you guys backed yourself into this shitty position by being too comfortable on day 1. Your team mate, who has done a much better job of staying hidden thus far, is probably reaming you in the QT for dumping the monumental task of killing 6 townies on his own, with 2 blues (if they live that long) still in the mix. Lets not get ahead of ourselves though. Jay hangs in 20 minutes (tick tock..). Yeah It's pretty clear JB isn't town. If he were, he would have posted his final analysis by now. After he flips scum I'll spend some serious time doing a monster analysis of everyone before the night ends. There's a 1/3rd chance we don't have a doctor, and if that's the case, the mafia know the setup, so I'm gonna get shot. They'll have BKEXE do the shot so the watcher learns nothing. That being said, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping we have a doctor. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 09:56 Grackaroni wrote: His timing is wierd though, he held off on posting the case until it seemed like Jay was completely fucked. If Jay flips scum it is definitely possible that he was trying to divert votes off of Jay, because this was his first agressive case. Was there a particular piece of evidence that he posted his case right after seeing? Or could he have posted it earlier? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 09:57 ey215 wrote: xtfftc and Grackaroni I'll grant Grackaroni's premise that the part about laying the groundwork for you is hypothetical, but I weighed waiting to say something until it happens against saying something now against one another and deduced I wouldn't likely be around to make the case if they made one on you. To check out what I was saying you need to go back and start reading at Day 1 and assume I'm town. I'm not asking you to keep that assumption, but if I'm town you can see where they were trying to lead the discussion onto me. Then look at Day 2 and when they really went for it. Xtfftc committed to it and Grackaroni kind of nudged to try to get others going on it. You also need to read it in context, using the filters exclusively isn't the best for it. Do you have quotes? If not, I'll do this research, but if you had quotes + links that'd be sweet. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 10:00 Grackaroni wrote: You have to remember though that there is at least one of a doctor/watcher, either one of them would be targeting you. I highly doubt that mafia would be willing to attack you because it risks a no-kill or trading a mafia member for you. Right, but the mafia knows which 2 blues we have, remember? So it's a 1/3rd chance that the layout is watcher/doctor, and if one of them is BKEXE and they're worried i'll wagon him, they could throw him away ("oh, he'll be lynched anyways") to kill me. That being said, maybe they think they can out-argue me or present a better case. Or whatever. Or they'll roleblock the watcher? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 10:01 Blazinghand wrote: Right, but the mafia knows which 2 blues we have, remember? So it's a 1/3rd chance that the layout is watcher/doctor, and if one of them is BKEXE and they're worried i'll wagon him, they could throw him away ("oh, he'll be lynched anyways") to kill me. That being said, maybe they think they can out-argue me or present a better case. Or whatever. Or they'll roleblock the watcher? EBWOP: There's a 1/rd chance that the layout is watcher/detective. This is the layout for which there is no doctor, and the mafia is able to kill me. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 10:02 Grackaroni wrote: I'm just raising the possibility, I didn't look too deeply into it. Jay was already fucked for today and this was the first serious analysis he has done and he did manage to get a vote on Ey he was suspicious of Ey since the start of the game and chose now to make the case. Obviously this would not be the sole reason for a lynch, further analysis must be made. Um... do it? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 09 2011 10:20 Grackaroni wrote: I also just realized that xsksc's replacement has not voted so he will be modkilled. Yah... that's really bad. Unless he's mafia, then we're set. | ||
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His most recent post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=38#757 His filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&user=160133 | ||
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Blazinghand
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I'm like 99% convinced BKEXE is mafia. I'm gonna go after him pretty hard. If anyone can think of a better lynch than BKEXE I want you to make a super super good case for it, please. Also, keep on talking and arguing. The more stuff we argue about the more obvious the mafia will be. man i'm feeling good. Let's see if we can end this in the next two Days, gentlemen. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 10 2011 06:28 xtfftc wrote: Since Jay flipped mafia, I expect BKE to be mafia as well, and so the last spot on the team is for either EY or xsksc. I don't feel comfortable calling this one before xsk's replacement starts posting. Still putting together my "I'm probably dead in the morning" analysis post. Just wanted to point out that the whole idea of "would you be willing to stake your own life" is a dangerous statement. I was asked this about the JB lynch and I said "yes" to it, to strengthen my case... but what if JB was just an incredibly bad townie? It would be a bad move to waste a lynch day lynching me if I'm also town, and would probably lose us the game. I think we need to get out of a mindset that "if A accuses B and B flips town, A is mafia". It's certainly possible that A is mafia, but it's also possible that A was just wrong. IF xtfftc things ey215 is scum, and if ey215 gets lynched and flips town, then maybe xtfftc is the scummiest remaining player so he should be lynched. Or, maybe, he's not. Then you should lynch whoever is the scummiest, even though xtfftc was wrong. Base lynches off of evidence whenever possible. *back to work* | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 10 2011 06:59 Zona wrote: layabout is replacing Starshard Reference xsksc's filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&user=149333 starshard's (xsksc's replacement) filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&user=160133 layabout's filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&user=233798 Layabout: Xsksc AKA Starshard AKA Layabout, your predessecors both went afk, which means they haven't posted much. Here's what I think you should do (and you're free to choose what you want, but hey, whatever)... 1) read the thread 2) form your own read on BKEXE 3) form your own reads on everyone else 4) Post detailed analysis as soon as possible of everyone, your reads, and your reasoning. Feel free to break it up into multiple posts. You should do this as soon as possible, so we have some material on you and can evaluate who you are and where you stand. Also, you're basically going to be doing this anyways, but if you post it in this fashion we can actually see what you're thinking. I'm currently unable to form an accurate read due to the multiple ownership-changes of this player. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Even if I do not live to see this dawn, I hope that you can make it a reality. Perhaps all you have is your voice and your vote, but that is all you need. With only 1 mafia player left, you will easily be able to find him out and destroy him. We should lynch BKEXE tomorrow, whether I live or die. Executive Case Summary: BKEXE is a lurker. He's not a lurker due to not being here, he just chooses not to post. When he does post, he deliberately hedges, makes obvious, bland statements and/or tries to bail out mafia players or misdirect lynches. He's doing a careful job of staying "under the radar" while still posting occasionally. His defense of JB is telling, not because he defends JB (which any misguided Townie could do) but because instead of defending JB, he tries to direct the conversation in a different direction. The fact that he doesn't make a positive statement until it's clear that the JB lynch won't be stopped, and the way he goes about it are not indicative of someone who is unsure-- they are indicative of someone who reluctantly decided to bus an ally. The fact of the matter is, he's trying VERY hard to lurk and not be suspicious, except to defend his mafia friend. BKEXE is scum and we must kill him tomorrow. Detailed Case Information Literally every post BKEXE has made so far will be quoted here, in spoilers, with my narrative analysis. You can find the executive summary above. The chapters are in Chronological Order. I. Introductions and Policy Debates Called out for being a lurker, BKEXE is slimy, noncommittal, and very scummy, and has to be bailed out by JB. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 13:11 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys! Great to be joining. I think that when we vote we should make sure people did not mispeak. I think that we all need to figure out what we want to do as a group. What do you think? This is his sole post for quite some time. I call him out fairly early on, voting for him. He responds, initially with a meaningless excuse: On December 04 2011 14:36 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey Blazinghand sorry if I came around to be a little shady. I was just trying to feed into the conversation, about the voting. How do we want to plan the lynching with the time zone difference? I feel like this will be a major roadblock as it will be 12 AM for our friends in the UK. As for my earlier comment I just wanted to say hi. Did not mean to get off on the wrong foot So far, there's nothing to really indicate he's town, except that he's being utterly unhelpful. "feed into the conversation?" He added nothing. However, again, one or two posts like this isn't really a problem. Other people here have begun seriously discussing policy issues about lurkers and liars, and taking positions and generally showing personality. BKEXE, however, is not interested in that. At all. He makes some factually true statements that echo other posters. Again, not individually something bad, but just the latest in a series of posts that don't peg him as anything. On December 04 2011 14:51 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys, Well I think that Lynching any inconsistent comments is definitely a good idea. We need to be sure that any information we are getting is consistent and to keep the amount of strategies that the mob could be using low. As for the lurkers I agree that when in doubt we should vote for the lurkers. The information that they have could be useful or they could just be neglecting to play the game, which means they should not be playing at all. Now, here's something interesting: Velinath calls him out after this post. This is the first serious attack on BKEXE besides my initial pressure vote. Velinath points out a trivial logical contradiction that BKEXE has made. Velinath's assault: On December 04 2011 14:54 Velinath wrote: Speaking of inconsistencies, you mention voting for any inconsistent statement here, but in your previous post you say: What changed your mind, or is this a misstatement? As you can see, Veli is basically being an ass here. He's criticism is aimed at the correct poster and actually at the correct posts, but he's missed out the crucial thing here: BKEXE is refusing to commit on Lynch All Liars. This isn't BKEXE misstating something; this is BKEXE purposefully saying vaguely contradictory information so that he doesn't have a solid base of statements to be held accountable for. What's truly telling, however, is BKEXE's retort: On December 04 2011 15:10 BroodKingEXE wrote: Velinath, I said to check for inconsistent statements and you did. The fact that I said to check for mistakes in their inconsistent statements still stands though, as you point out through asking me about my inconsistent comment. This sentence has no meaning. At all. It's not a response, it's him just saying "nop nop nope"... However, it gets buried as at this exact moment, EY215 and I have our infamous fight, which instantly consumes a page of the thread, and this statement isn't immediately scrutinized. He does, however, follow it up with On December 04 2011 15:13 BroodKingEXE wrote: Blazinghand, As long as the mob goes down you can do whatever you have to. On December 04 2011 15:15 BroodKingEXE wrote: jay is right that i am new. And of course, JB springs to his aid with a classic "meaningless JB post": On December 04 2011 15:15 jaybrundage wrote: I am happy to see you posting more, tho remember when ever you do post try to give your opinions and rereading the thread can prove useful. See, this post is JB hedging, as usual, but doing it in a way that at first glance looks critical and helpful to BKEXE. Look! BKEXE is being quoted and responding to JB! He's clearly interacting in a meaningful fashion with the main discussion, right? It's easy not to notice this. EY and I proceed to argue (with Veli involved as well) for about a page and a half, and BKEXE fades into the background. He returns about 15 hours later, which isn't too unreasonable-- this is consistent with someone who both sleeps and is away from a recreational computer for a fair amount of time. II. Initial Reads and Scumlists After being read as scum by several players, BKEXE returns to the thread and defends himself-- poorly. He votes for Adam + Show Spoiler + BKEXE is, at this moment, on several people's scum lists. He returns and defends himself while giving the reads. On December 05 2011 07:06 BroodKingEXE wrote: For all of you who are getting a bad read on me, I want to confirm that I am a newbie. While I respect that Blazinghand has been pusing to prevent lurkers my reponses were obivouisly to defend myself. I feel that it is still a strategy that will work to get reads on the mafia, even if it has put me in the red. In the early stages of the game I feel that there is no way I would be able to get any proper reads as a newbie, but right now I am leaning to: Mafia: Adam - his critism of Blazinghand's style comes right after a compliment showing that he is defininetly trying to kiss up to him. Hassy - he also critized Blazinghand's style in that he accuses him of targeting people early. His votes were clearly for getting people to talk, not at all to decide who to lynch. Townies: Blazing - has been contributing to the discussion and trying to get others to talk. Velinath - I am kind of borderline on this as he has been contributing, but he seems to be following Blazing as opposed to creating comments of his own. Turnkeg - I think he has been pressuring a little, trying to get a read,but I will go for townie. Grackoroni - I will put him here because in one of his comments he left his own name on Turneg's read list and did not comment. I feel like this would have been something that he could have used to push his case. As for the rest I feel like I have not got enough infomation. I am going to be off for the next few hours as I have a project due, but I will be sure to take a break to put my vote in. He tosses out some reads, none of which have any meaning or any quotes. His defense for his scummy play the previous day was "I was defending myself against Blazinghand". Most people, btw, who defended themselves against me, reacted in aggressive, assertive manners, posting, insulting me, arguing, etc-- the kind of thing someone who knows he's innocent would do if someone got all up in his grill. BKEXE? no, he did nothing of the sort. He tried his best, instead, to hide. For good examples of people responding to my attacks aggressively, check out Adam, EY, and EB. These are people who either a) are innocent and so reacted aggressively or b) are mafia and good at acting innocent. BKEXE, though, continues to dodge. He defends himself again an hour and a half later, as Velinath goes after him harder. On December 05 2011 09:36 BroodKingEXE wrote: Venilath You have good reason to be suspicious of me changing my tone, but BH's style forced me to be hastily defensive in the first few posts I made. These posts put me in even more trouble, so I am focusing more on well thought out posts. You can read in to the first posts all you want, but they are defininetly not an accurate representation of the mob. If I were really in the mob, even as a newbie, do you think I would really be that hasty in my posts not bothering to think of the repurcussions? And here we have it, gentlemen! obvious WIFOM! "I'm not mafia because mafia wouldn't make the obvious mistakes I did!" The fact of the matter is, BKEXE is bad at mafia. It should be obvious from the posts so far. The question is, GIVEN THAT HE PLAYED SHITTY, is he a shitty mafia player or a shitty town player? Well, you can't rule either out! Defending with WIFOM is unusually shitty... so shitty. I call him out for the obvious WIFOM. He decides to vote against Adam, which is fairly reasonable, due to a number of factors pointing towards Adam at the time. A lot of people voted for adam, each with their own reasons. Let's examine BKEXE's and see if they make sense... On December 05 2011 09:41 BroodKingEXE wrote: ##Vote Adam4167 Ah yes, that's right. He didn't post a reason. On December 05 2011 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote: You mention that you are a newbie, yet you have read up on other games before this one. Well not everyone does that, so this is truly the first game I have experienced. After my posts I took a step back and looked at them and I saw that they were terribly thought out. In the heat of the moment a newbie would obviously falter. "Blah blah blah blah i'm a newb so clearly i'm not mafia leave me alone plz why are you so pro you're clearly not noob" The thing is, his reasoning isn't even bad, it's just that it's bad given that he hasn't done anything useful since then. He finally posts some reasonign: On December 05 2011 10:21 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hassy if you need evidence read this: III The BByte Lynch, and everything else before I went after JB BKEXE begins to show his true colors: He bandwagons both the Adam and BByte vote in a very, very VERY obvious fashion. How did he bandwagon the BByte vote when he didn't actually vote for BByte? Look inside, gentlemen.=. + Show Spoiler + BKEXE does the first interesting thing he does all game: On December 05 2011 11:17 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey BH what is up with this? You neglected to mention this fact until after EB refused to vote. Are you holding back any other pieces of information? This is by far the most TOWN thing he's said. He's actively attacking someone and sticking his neck out. It's not very aggressive, since it's phrased in a passive manner "Are you holding back" as opposed to "Why were you holding back" but it's exactly the kind of thing everyone else has been doing and he had not. The only problem, of course, being that he didn't actually read my quote and/or he was wrong on purpose and just wanted to be seen arguing. The post from which he is quoting refutes his argument on its own. He quickly retreats: On December 05 2011 11:21 BroodKingEXE wrote: Oh Sorry I thought they were in two different posts. On December 05 2011 11:28 BroodKingEXE wrote: No, I thought BH was only calling him out because he refused to vote. It turns out that EB says that he will tell BH about his evidence to lynch Hassy in the same message that he told him he would vote in the morning. I thought BH had the information beforehand, but did not tell anyone. The next morning, he makes some arguments to back up his attack on Adam. On December 06 2011 06:14 BroodKingEXE wrote: This will have to be a quick post, rehersal is starting. Adam: The only problem I have is that you have not explained why you blamed others when not reading the forum. The voting information is readily accessable on the fourth post, it is even mentioned explicitly by the host. You comment on his blameless acusations (when in fact they were for drawing out lurkers) yet you blame him without thinking about the contexts of the votes. You then in response go to say that the action was misguided, yet you contradict that statement with your comment about alcohol. Your mention of the misguided post is defended by an equally flawed post. You also mention how your post was defensive when in fact you spend most of your post criticizing others as well as well as commenting on xsksc's experience. In fact your only defense for Blazinghand's aggressiveness is to not a agree with it and then say that you could not respond because of your drinking. On the other hand I agree with you that there should be not be bandwagoning or voting for spite. No matter how unconstructive the player may have come across, they should not be voted out for bad form. They should be voted out for posts that are error prone or reveal something about the identity of the mafia. I feel like as a newbie game there should be plenty of mistakes (I have made some too). And about bandwagoning it is a terrible idea to not vote who you think is the most likely mafia. We must trust our own judgment when it comes down to it, because we do not know who could be leading the group a mafia or townie. Let's bear in mind closely what BKEXE did: He posted an early vote on Adam, and was very noncommittal and dodgy UNTIL the train was going. Adam had many votes on him when BKEXE finally decided to go after him. This attack DOES NOT stick BKEXE's neck out, and is in fact a response to the wagon rolling. Traditionally, one states a reason to vote for someone, waits until people are in agreement, then votes (maybe without that middle step). BKEXE did this in reverse, voting, waiting until there was a wagon, and only when he felt safe doing so, trying to "contribute". After the lynch: On December 07 2011 04:25 BroodKingEXE wrote: Hey guys, The concert went great, but I am still worried about what BH said earlier. I have some information, but I feel that if I post it the mob might get a lot more information. I feel like it is important that we be careful what we say, because the mob needs to figure out who knows who the mafia members are. This is a reasonable statement, except by this point EB and I had already had our discussion, and decided that it's better to talk during the night. BKEXE's statement here is a dumb and blatant attempt to excuse himself into lurking for another 24 hours. If he posted some additional reasoning, then it would be fine. If he noted that I had changed my position and he and I were in disagreement, that would be fine. But no, he notes none of these things. He's dodging as hard as he can, and nothing's even coming at him. I call him out for this immediately, and he responds by posting. On December 07 2011 04:36 BroodKingEXE wrote: I wrote this during the dinner break of my rehersal, so unfortunately I was not able to comment on BByte. Despite BByte's elimination I did view him as scum as well as others. It is unfortunate that he got as few posts as he did in. I feel that not everyone contributed to the BByte discussion that voted for him, we need to act as a town and each put in an opinion on our vote. You can check out my comment on him, I wish I had got it out earlier Mafia: red Neutral: normal Towns: bold ey215 - I really have a no reason to put him in either category he has provided some information, but often only when asked. On the other hand he comments on the lurkers and liars prompt, but he never really gives an opinion on the lurking. When commented on the no comment he gets angry saying that he is being attacked for his non support of LaL although his opinion was in the middle really supporting either side. I feel his feud with BH is instead based in the fact that he is the voice of moderation in most of our posts and he is bound to get some push back as moderation would cramp BH's style. + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2011 13:01 ey215 wrote: Hi all!  Lynch all Liars is rough, sometimes you need to use your head and be able to tell the difference between a lie and a misunderstanding or misstatement. In games where people are posting a lot it's very easy for people to misspeak not realizing what exactly they've said in the past. I would think some common sense would help here. If it's an outright lie, by all means lynch away. If it's a misstatement and we've got a better case on someone it's better to let it slide. On the lurker bit, I do think there's a time and place for lynching. If we don't have a case on someone it's better to lynch a lurker than someone active. If they're lurking then they're not contributing or giving us something to go on. Of course, if we've got a good case on someone it's better to lynch them. Looking forward to this. BByte - I put him hear because he has a high scum read. He comments on how Velinath has a lot of null reads when he himself has only five reads three of which are basically unsupported. BH - He is either a townie or has th biggest poker face in the game. I feel that his attacks might be showing the true side of people. EB - I feel that there is a lot of bad air around EB and that his bad choice of words against BH has put him in the worst position of the game. Looking at his latest posts they seem for the most part reasonable, his break down of xsksc was pretty telling showing that he can break people down and that xsksc is being careless with his posts. I think this deserves him the neutral position as the votes for him could very well be for out of a claim that was purely emotional. Grackoroni - I do not know what to think about him, while he does have a lots of small posts I feel each one is strong in the message it tries to send. He has been trying to dig into lurkers and has put in some of his reads. It seems that unlike others he is playing very objectively. I have no idea what this means in mafia though. I would appreciate thoughts on grack the most. Hassy - First came across to me as scum because he seemed to overreact to BH's votes in the early game, but I like his defense that he used behind his vote for myself. I feel like even though he at first used Velinath's point to defend his vote, his second reason made sense. He has every right to be suspectful of me, but I feel he needs to contribute to the forum more. His tone suggests more of a townie tone though. Velinath - I can say he is town or mafia for the sole reason of the amount of posts he has put up. He unlike some of my other reads is very post heavy, yet they are all in response to another users post. If you do not believe me look at his filter they almost all involve the posts of another user. While this is useful for anylitics of others I can not actually get a good read on Velinath from them. xsksc - he has been a very odd character. I am not sure why but he blew up after EB's probing of one of his careless posts (not that all of them are). He likes to use his initial post to prove his township, but after the post he did not do much to lead the discussion. Any discussion I have been part of has always had input from the prompter, it is important for them to get idea of the prompt and why they support it. Xtfftc - I think that he has provided good information, but has also been very active in previous mafia games. I feel his strong responses will make him a tough read and encourage others to help me figure out who he is. I fundamentally disagree with bandwagons as I'm gonna break this down for you right now so you know what he just did: He bandwagons the BByte vote, even though BByte is dead, and he admits this in his post. That's right, he specifically adds in an argument as to why BByte, the only confirmed townie, is scum. Why does he do this? Because he wants to be on every bandwagon possible, because he wants to blend in as much as possible. He claims "oh I had this written before but didn't post it" so that he appears honest about his intention to be like everyone else and lynch BByte. Hell, he even says he wished everyone could have seen him go against BByte. He missed the bandwagon, and he wished he was on it. SO MUCH. This truly amazes me. Adding the BByte analysis? MEANINGLESS. BBYTE IS DEAD. This is exactly BKEXE's scummy playstyle. Wagoney. passive. lurking. Scum. IV. The JB Lynch It becomes unbelievably, painfully obvious that BKEXE is scumbuddies with JB. My god. So obvious. + Show Spoiler + BKEXE tries to hedge and defend jay at the same time, revealing his true colors. repeatedly. On December 07 2011 14:50 BroodKingEXE wrote: jay - to me jay is another one of those people who is being printed as scum based on the fact that he is opposed to BH in some aspect. I feel that he has provided some solid leads, but has to respond to the attacks by other more often then not. I feel like until he can get a few more unprovoked responses in until I can decide. Turneg- he strikes me as more of a townie. I feel that in the early game he differed in his style vs BH. He instead of using more aggressive response posts, he looked at early posts and methodically made questions out of those. I feel like this is definitely more of a townie behavior. Early in the game he chose to start examining players right away, I feel that a mafia member would not have been able to think so quickly to implement a strategy as hard as this. These same questions have also put him in a bad spot as he is viewed as passively accusing, a behavior I feel is a bit scummy. A reasonable defense of JB, except that JB and I haven't disagreed on anything besides whether or not he is scum. BKEXE posts a lie, a red herring, and when I ask him to link me to where we disagree? On December 07 2011 15:07 Blazinghand wrote: I was unaware that JB and I were in disagreement about something before i fingered him as scum. Quote plz I get totally ignored. BKEXE presses on and changes the topic to some BS, completely useless BS about EB. + Show Spoiler [Useless BKEXE Quote] + On December 08 2011 00:57 BroodKingEXE wrote: FUCK!!I just realized that we could have figured out EB was a townie from this post, saving us from lots of trouble. Also he said this quote before saying he was not going to vote. He had already established that he was not going to give details until the morning. BH used this argument against him a little hastily. This quote also can be named as non useful as people get angry if you do not put down a vote. In all I feel like we need to have more analysis of the people we are getting scum reads on as a town. I will continue to look over EB's posts to figure out why they killed him. At the moment though I have come up with some hypothetical situations. 1) The mafia is dumb and voted for the player that was rated by the town as the worst townie ever. 2)EB had a read or opinion that the mafia did not like (xtfftc, xsksc, Turnkeg, jay, Velinath) the problem I think here though is that EB's claims were unsubstantiated in the case of jay a player that we already are looking to lynch. He also mentioned following breadcrumbs were a bad idea, so maybe the mafia wants us to follow breadcrumbs. 3)The mafia is just trying to throw us off with this vote. This is the worst case scenario, it means that the mafia felt safe enough to not take out players that they think the town needs to figure them out. This would mean that the majority of our reads are not strong enough or just plain wrong. The post is meaningless and is basically him saying "what, blazinghand is asking me for evidence? QUICK LOOK AT THIS SHINEY MARBLE GUYZ" Finally, about 12 hours into my argument with JB, BKEXE decides to bus JB: On December 08 2011 01:29 BroodKingEXE wrote: I am going to agree with BH on the fact that jay is scum. Looking back over his posts I realize that you have half filler and the other half stuff like this: This reversal is bussing. He immediately proceeds to get a fight picked with him by Veli, once again, since Veli calls him out for the worthless EB misdirection. I really gotta give credit to Veli here-- Veli saved me a lot of trouble by calling BKEXE out all the time. On December 08 2011 02:41 BroodKingEXE wrote: Velinath, It does matter that we all suspected EB. Firstly a person acts differently depending on if the are on the offensive, defensive, and neutral. I agree with grack that EB could make a good argument, that is why I was reluctant to put my read up. In my read I explicitly pointed out that EB broke down xsksc. He showed how xsksc's personality could change at the slightest pushback, making me think he is scum. He did it without losing his cool himself showing that he was a very formidable player, and one the mafia would not want to mess with. The mafia probaly saw this as a threat and that combined with the spite everyone was showing EB made him an easy target. If the majority of people did not like EB would they really feel like his death was a real loss? Definitely not, I feel like the lack of posts about EB proves that. Since everyone felt like EB was going to be an unproductive townie they thought the act was seemingly random, so no one has had the insight to really dig into his death. Defending his worthless tripe with more worthless tripe. On December 08 2011 03:17 BroodKingEXE wrote: BH, I still feel that from now on we do need to include a reason why EB got killed along with our scum posts. I feel like it still has to make sense that the person we chose to lynch tonight had something to gain from EB's death. From your experience do you feel that the mafia had no motive (besides the fact that he was an easy kill?) Trying to get everyone else to post more worthless tripe. At this point, I summarize my argument against JB in a clean, concise post. BKEXE LITERALLY TIES TO SMOKESCREEN IT OUT BY POSTING HUNDREDS OF LINES OF TEXT. HE USES BROKEN QUOTE TAGS TO DO THIS. He triple posts, and makes sure to a) push me off the front page and b) make it so nobody ever find my argument. Luckily for me, I am shameless and simply repost it. But this is like, the most obvious possible defense of JB ._. I end up getting the mods to "let" him delete his two retarded posts so that stuff is legible. On December 08 2011 11:54 BroodKingEXE wrote: I got permission to edit the post. On December 08 2011 12:11 BroodKingEXE wrote: I got permission to delete the bad posts. BKEXE's huge text wall: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067¤tpage=39#763 All broken quote tags, all illegible, nothing you can pin him on. His excuse for this enormous spam? Wait for it... WAIT FOR IT.......... On December 08 2011 13:50 BroodKingEXE wrote: What is a preview button? I think Sinani has this one covered for me. BKEXE's final defense as to why he's clean? On December 09 2011 09:45 BroodKingEXE wrote: For anyone who thinks I am mafia, because jay is. Think about it, if I kill off jay I would only have one other teamate left, if you think I am mafia for this reason I would be killed as well. This leaves one mafia member to convince everyone else that they are not mafia. The mafia that you are suspecting me to be in would have to have a player so experienced he could take out 6 other players over the course of three days. How does this make sense? Ah yes, WIFOM. Classy, BKEXE, classy. But we all know what you are. In summary: it doesn't matter whether or not I live through this night, because I believe I have delivered you the second mafia player. BKEXE would have to be literally the worst town player in existence behind JB to not be mafia. If I'm alive at dawn, I will continue to go after BKEXE unless someone posts a case that convinces me otherwise. BKEXE better be around to respond to these allegations. MJY: Just because Veli attacked bad posts a lot doesn't necessarily make him town. Keep your eye on him as always, guys. P.S.: He just posted a case against EY215 now, and it may have some merit, but I just noticed that his first three quotes of EY215 are not in chronological order. Just saying. P.P.S: Please win this game, town. Post a lot. Make it hard for people to lurk, Put pressure on Layabout/Starshard/xsksc to stop lurking, also... especially if he's the 3rd gangster. Thank you for everything, gentlemen. | ||
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On December 10 2011 10:47 BroodKingEXE wrote: Adam, I said he has no evidence, you are reading too far into his post he never says anything about the shitty behavior. He just says you are not protown, and that need he needs more evidence to prove or disprove that. Other people have analyzed your behavior, yet he says to refer back to a post (in his vote post), where he says he wants to hear more from you. He did not say in his vote post that it was a pressure vote, instead he refers to information that was non-existent. Honestly, the best way to help your case, if you're town, is to identify a mafia player and build a strong case against him. If you do this, you will help the town, and if I'm more convinced that say, Velinath, or whoever, is more likely to be mafia than you, i'll vote for him, as will the others. Defending yourself is important, but if you're innocent, make sure you actually find us a good lynch candidate. In theory, that's what everyone has been doing for the past 24 hours-- writing a good analysis. I'll read up on your EY analysis. I think it's worth your time to defend your EY analysis with quotes from EY and quotes from yourself, rather than just text-- refute using evidence. I want you to build a solid case. (which arguably you may have done). I want you to defend it with evidence. Act like a town player, and that will be your strongest exculpation. | ||
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On December 10 2011 10:49 BroodKingEXE wrote: I wrote this above post as the night ended. Did not realize adam died. ._. | ||
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