EPTThere will be no bans from this game. To Ace: your play was the most embarrassing of all. To Risen: There were multiple warnings against editing, please don’t do it in future games (your post count will go up faster :D). To the inactives: I understand how difficult this game was to follow so you may all get a pass, if you choose to play again however please put in the time.
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
There will be no bans from this game. To Ace: your play was the most embarrassing of all. To Risen: There were multiple warnings against editing, please don’t do it in future games (your post count will go up faster :D). To the inactives: I understand how difficult this game was to follow so you may all get a pass, if you choose to play again however please put in the time. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On December 03 2011 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I’d like to apologize to the new people, this game had issues and I hope you give mafia another shot in a better game. To the so called “vets” I wanna say the vast majority of you played TERRIBLY. I’m honestly embarrassed. If you’ve played more than 4 or 5 games then you should know how to play better than you did. Thanks for not putting our collective best foot forward everyone, what great example you all set for the new people. There will be no bans from this game. To Ace: your play was the most embarrassing of all. To Risen: There were multiple warnings against editing, please don’t do it in future games (your post count will go up faster :D). To the inactives: I understand how difficult this game was to follow so you may all get a pass, if you choose to play again however please put in the time. Ace's play was not embarassing. He did absolutely nothing wrong this game, his entire play was so obviously not serious in the modkill regard that this entire situation got blown out of proportion. I would say the situation surrounding his modkill was embarassing. He was retroactively modkilled. He was modkilled via a host who did not even do it on their main account. The mods then let people slander a players name in thread FOR HOURS and only stepped in when said player stepped in to defend themself. The situation was messy all around but to single out a player for doing things that the mods are equally as guilty for is sickening. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
Edit: It's his decision to not play the game seriously that was embarrasing. And the reason I singled that out is because he was modkilled. Notice I addressed Risen and the inactives as well. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On December 03 2011 15:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The reason I didn't use my main is to keep the modkill discussion during the game to a minimum. Now that the game is over feel free to bitch at me as much as you like. Edit: It's his decision to not play the game seriously that was embarrasing. And the reason I singled that out is because he was modkilled. Notice I addressed Risen and the inactives as well. Who are you to say he wasn't playing seriously? Do you know his playstyle that well? Ace's play was actually some of the best this entire game and surprisingly was serious. To single him out for this while letting people troll relentlessly and proving no content with no punishment is completely horsecrap. Ace tried to turn your game around from herp derping into a real game and he was shafted for it. Inexcusable. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
How wasn't I playing the game seriously? At best I can be criticized for paying too much attention to Palmar and WBG. Later on I eventually started talking to sandroba trying to figure out a new direction to take the thread in. Then I got modkilled. ETA: And MP I really don't want to turn this into a me vs you thing any more. I'll let it die right now. I'm MORE upset that after I was modkilled people kept making it seem like I committed some insane act of cheating that ruined the game and trying to make themselves look morally superior over it. If you guys would have shut that down then I wouldn't even have said anything. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On December 03 2011 15:39 Cyber_Cheese wrote: What? I was supposed to have a heal on Annul night 2 ... I have the pm logs still, not that it matters now. Did you send it to every host? I never received the action, at least. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
I honestly am super pissed right now. I think it's probably best if I take a break from mafia for a while, if you really need to bitch about this more than please PM me. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On December 03 2011 15:51 Ace wrote: I'm MORE upset that after I was modkilled people kept making it seem like I committed some insane act of cheating that ruined the game and trying to make themselves look morally superior over it. If you guys would have shut that down then I wouldn't even have said anything. About that, I put a stop to it as soon as I got back, it just so happened that everyone decided to discuss what I had asked NOT be discussed as soon as I left, just bad timing. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
You guys completely jumped the gun on this one. From what I see, you guys didn't put any consideration into this and pretty much agreed to the modkill without any serious discussion. Furthermore, posting the modkill on a bot account to hide yourself from the backlash of a high-profile modkill shows that something is amiss here. The "no betting out of game items" rule is so that people don't bet items outside the game. Please show me where Ace bet something outside the game. (And please don't say reputation, as that clearly doesn't count). While yeah, it would be lame if people actually went through with the plan and placed bets, none of that was actually happening in this game. Nobody agreed to this plan, and nobody actually followed through with it. All Ace did was assert his confidence, and he gets modkilled for it. The decision to modkill Ace in this game is equivalent to arresting someone for talking about murder when no murder has actually occurred. This is not even a borderline case. Would a warning be called for? Yes, but a modkill, definitely not. In terms of hosting, I think we need to limit future games to 2 hosts unless the hosts can demonstrate that they all work together on the same level and not have too widely differing opinions on how to handle the game. From what I see this game, the 4 hosts were quite opinionated, which led to compromises and some questionable decision making. Furthermore, the fact that not all the hosts were around to make the decisions combined with the varying hosting styles made the host decision making quite unpredictable, as many of the game decisions were being made by different people at different times. The hosts should make decisions collectively and work as a team, not act as separate individuals. On a side note, I disagree with the decision to not request bans for anyone. Perhaps leniency is warranted for newer players, but for the more experienced players, I don't see any compelling reason to dismiss bans just because the game didn't turn out for the best. | ||
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
This game was a disaster to keep up with. Although by the nature of an 80-person game, I should've expected this, there were significantly more pages to read through than I had anticipated. I will probably never sign up for a game this large again. It has its upsides of being crazy and massive, but I don't think it's worth all the extra work, especially for a more casual mafia player. Oh, and, maybe it just seemed that way because town ended up playing not-so-great, but mafia had insane kp this game. (8+medic+vigi+lurkvigi?!) | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On December 03 2011 16:11 iGrok wrote: Cyber_Cheese sent it to me the night I was at the precinct :/ I sent it to all mods :/ Regardless, it doesn't matter now | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2597 Posts
I'm not sure that I would play another game of Mafia with you guys. It's a huge time committment, and in the end it was just a lot of stress and time invested for nothing. Maybe I'll give it another shot in a few months. To the mods: Thanks for trying. I know this was a huge job to keep up with, and I trust you did the best you could. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 03 2011 18:01 AmericanUmlaut wrote: This game was a pretty bad experience. There was so much activity due to the huge number of players (and one guy being rude to people in nearly 600 posts) that it was really intimidating to try to keep up with as a new player. The four-day period during which I was "afk", I wouldn't have been in a smaller game; I just didn't have time to keep up with so many posts, and didn't want to post without having read everything. And then the modkills made the game completely pointless in the end. I'm not sure that I would play another game of Mafia with you guys. It's a huge time committment, and in the end it was just a lot of stress and time invested for nothing. Maybe I'll give it another shot in a few months. To the mods: Thanks for trying. I know this was a huge job to keep up with, and I trust you did the best you could. You should give it another try. While people being rude shouldn't generally happen, it's a game where you are forced to debate and you know some of the people are lying, which can be frustrating. These active but rude people are at least establishing their innocence and producing information and it's just a game so you don't really have to take it seriously. That is not to say we shouldn't be civilized, but I don't think it's a big issue. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 03 2011 18:01 AmericanUmlaut wrote: This game was a pretty bad experience. There was so much activity due to the huge number of players (and one guy being rude to people in nearly 600 posts) that it was really intimidating to try to keep up with as a new player. The four-day period during which I was "afk", I wouldn't have been in a smaller game; I just didn't have time to keep up with so many posts, and didn't want to post without having read everything. And then the modkills made the game completely pointless in the end. I'm not sure that I would play another game of Mafia with you guys. It's a huge time committment, and in the end it was just a lot of stress and time invested for nothing. Maybe I'll give it another shot in a few months. To the mods: Thanks for trying. I know this was a huge job to keep up with, and I trust you did the best you could. You have to realize how bad it was from a town experience. It was probably the worst game I've played on TL mafia. With that said, this game isn't a good representation of what mafia here actually is like. Mod drama, people getting modkilled left and right, emotions much higher than they normally are, you get the idea. I am known for being an aggressive player. It's just a style of play, I don't actually harbor emotions like that against people. In a game of logic, propaganda, and emotions, one can reasonably expect that all sorts of tactics will be used to try and further your side's particular agenda. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Secondly, disregarding whether or not the modkill on Ace was justified, you guys (to the best of my knowledge) didn't attempt to contact any of the experienced hosts. At the very least, I didn't have any inkling that the modkill was coming, and likewise for Ver and Incognito (I doubt Foolishness or Qatol knew either). This isn't to say hosts should be expected to double-check with us over every small administrative detail. However, for something like this it's best to ask--the decision was made with rapidity and not in a unilateral fashion. That being said, the hosts did a marvelous job otherwise. Collective town play, as stated by many, was terrible this game--and for that, the onus is on the players. The hosts spent an inordinate amount of time making sure things ran as smoothly as they could. | ||
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