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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On November 28 2011 15:57 sinani206 wrote: No, I completely agree. Just making sure that this doesn't go unseen. Sinani you know hes* talking about annul correct *I always say she i don't know why | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
1. Kitaman's death: On November 28 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Day 2: A Killing ![[image loading]](http://jenniengledow.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/bloody20knife202.jpg) Once upon a time, Kitaman27 had been a member of the Mafia. But, that was a long time ago, or at least that's what Kitaman27 thought to himself as he left the travel agent's office. Of course he still bore the tattoos that marked him as part of the family, but he had given up on that path many years ago. Stepping into an alley further down the street, he reflected about how desperately he wanted to set upon a new course in life, and how, after the recent violence, he was scared he might be visited by some of his old comrades, because of what he knew when he had left them. His thoughts were broken by the sound of sudden rushing footsteps from behind, and he had barely begun to turn when a dark form ran into him and he felt a sharp pain shoot through his back. The pain was redoubled as the knife was violently removed before being plunged in again... and again... and again... before everything went under a red haze of pain and faded to black. Kitaman27 the Vanilla Townie has been found stabbed to death! Key points: -kita was stabbed with a knife -reference to tattoos, travel agent -"red haze of pain and faded to black" The only thing I could find that was relevant to this one is this: Hassybaby's profile Note his profile picture is that of Hello Kitty (I think?) holding a knife. The only other completely vague reference I could see is the travel agent reference, since kita and Hassybaby are continents apart. No real idea what to make of this other than the fact that his was the only profile in which I found a knife. Next death: 2. Brownbear On November 28 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: BrownBear struggled between the two men who were holding him on either side. Not that it would have done much good, as his hands were trapped together at the wrists by cable ties and he wore a blindfold, but he still liked to think there was something he could do about his situation. He had been jumped outside his home that morning, secured, and thrown into the back of a car. After an hour drive, they'd stopped, and he was pulled out of the car and accompanied to his present location. Changing their position now, the one man led him forward as the other violently guided him to his knees. BrownBear thought to ask them where he was, but froze when he felt the touch of cold metal against his neck. He shivered, and then felt a spreading warmth across his torso, as the razor was quickly pulled across this throat. BrownBear the Vanilla Townie has had his throat slit! notes: -two men -hands trapped by cable ties -blindfolded -violently guided to knees -razor -warm/cold dichotomy This hit perhaps suggests a double hit, as there are two killers mentioned instead of one. In any other game this would, perhaps, be a coincidence, but this is a clue game. I highly doubt it is here. The only thing I can make out of this is the blindfold clue. This can refer to two players, that I could find: Blind-Rawr (blind in the name) and Hier because of his quote: TeamLiquid forums: Where punishing a blind expansion is cheese, and skipping one worker is an all-in. Both of these players are scummy to me, and probably should die regardless of clues within the next couple of days. 3. LSB On November 28 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: BrownBear the Vanilla Townie has had his throat slit! LSB was oblivious to the pain as his assailant's fists once again drove into his face and he roughly toppled over onto the ground. After the first few minutes of the beating, he had ceased to feel the damage being done to his body as he had descended into something resembling a trance. Crimson blood flowed down his face and arms, and left red marks wherever they dripped on or smeared the pavement which reminded him of the ink blots psychologists used. He knew the thought was sick, and tried to roll over onto his back only to be met by a heavy kick to the ribs. The pounding of blood was loud in his ears, and he was near ignorant of his attacker speaking above him. "I think it's time this town's learned a lesson, don't you?" LSB tried to lift his arms in defense, as the man removed a wooden bat from the trunk of his car, but the pain was too much and the most he could do was groan loudly as the club was brought down on his head. LSB the Miller has been beaten to death! This one is rather straightforward. -beating with a bat The only profile I could find that has a bat in it is: xtfftc's profile I'm very confident of this one. Next: 4. Jackal58 On November 28 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Jackal58 turned the volume of the radio down in his car, as he approached the agreed-upon meeting place. He tapped his fingers on the steering wheel in time to the rhythm of the song, and looked around nervously for the man he was supposed to meet. The docks were deserted at this time of night, and it didn't take long to spot the car parked near out of sight and the man leaning against it. Pulling up, he turned off his engine and stepped out of his car. "You said you have an... opportunity for me?" "Yes, I work for a magazine, you're one of the prosecutors for Liquidia PD, aren't you? Working on the mafia cases? We're very interested in contacting someone from that office, and are willing to pay a good sum to get the scoop on our competitors." Jackal58 fidgeted a little before responding. He knew that what he was doing was illegal, but he was in debt and needed the money. In the end, it was an easy choice. "Yes, that's me." The other man smiled as he pulled out a pistol, "Good, then I know I've got the right rat". Jackal58 tried to run for his car, but barely made it two steps before he was shot in the back. Jackal58 the Vanilla Townie has been shot to death! This one has a dock reference in it; I've highlighted it in blue. A possible connection is deconduo: deconduo's profile has a picture of a sea-faring yacht in it, which could potentially explain the reference to the docks in the death of Jackal. next: On November 28 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: 5. Syllogism Syllogism was out for his morning run when he stopped to tie his laces. He ran in marathons, and so each day he followed the same routine of waking up in the morning, putting on his tracksuit and going for a half-hour long run through the forest behind his house. Today was no different. Often, the trail he used was completely empty of other people, and so he was surprised when he finished tying his shoes to look up and see a man in a black trench-coat standing off to the side of the trail ahead of him. He was even more surprised when the man lifted a rifle and put two bullets into his chest. Syllogism the Vigilante has been killed in the woods! Two things: Reference to a forest, and a reference to two shots. This again would perhaps suggest that syllo, like Brownbear, was double hit. There are actually four people who could potentially fit, but I think the top two are zeks and ohN. Based on scumminess it might not be ohN but instead annul, since his profile also contains the words "running" and "forest" (among a shitload of other things) Mattchew is also a possibility, but his profile only contains "forest" and nothing else of note related to this death. zeks has this quote: "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." Two roads, and a wood. The quote talks about "the one less traveled by" and syllo dies in a forest while running on a trail in which he normally sees no one. This is why I am most confident of zeks being the first fit. The second is ohN because of the picture of the forest. The third is annul. If you ctrl-f "forest" you'll find it in Mattchew's profile but I seriously doubt this clue refers to him. 6. Radfield On November 28 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Radfield only wanted answers as he looked up at the man circling around him. He wasn't sure what had happened, one moment he was sleeping, the next he was suddenly awake with a hand pressing a cloth into his face, and now he was tied to a chair in his living room. He must have been drugged. "Who are you? Why are you doing this?" The other man stopped walking. He was carrying a butcher knife from Radfield's own kitchen. "You know, I'd really love to tell you, but it's a lot more fun for me when you don't know." Smiling wickedly, he lifted the knife, and let the point rest on Radfield's chest. Radfield only stared up at his killer, for that is what he assumed he was there for, and did not give him the satisfaction of a reaction. The other man turned his lips into a pout and then grinned again as he slowly pushed the knife into Radfield's heart. Radfield the Vanilla Townie has been murdered in his home! I took note of the maniacal nature of the killer in this scenario. He is portrayed as a little insane, perhaps you could say. He smiles wickedly, taunts his victim, pouts, then grins again. Kurumi's profile prominently displays a picture of the Joker, and he says himself near the bottom of the profile that he is "insane and Polish" and that it doesn't mix so well. Conclusions Nothing is certain, but I am most confident about the clues in reference to LSB's death (the bat pointing to xtfftc), Brownbear's death, Radfield's death, Jackal's death, syllo's death, and kita's death in order of most confident to least confident. If anyone has alternate interpretations or suggestions I'd love to hear them. | ||
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cosine
313 Posts
That said, I have a few comments to make after my brief skimming of the most recent pages. I'm not liking all this chatter on power roles, influencing power roles, and all that other nonsense. That kind of fuckery only distracts from The Real Game (reading posts -> finding scum -> lynching them) and allows scum to hide without lurking. It's just bad and needs to stop. At a glance I'm not liking our mayor tbh. Not gonna put my foot down, yet to fully read his post history. As for double lynching, this is the time in the game to do it. As the days progress we can make more precise, informed single lynches. Again, sorry for my absence. I'm going to really dig through post histories and hopefully have a good case for this game day. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On November 28 2011 12:40 Ace wrote: Pretty much. By the way Palmar, your last post didn't convince me at all. Honestly was just more bla bla. I did not expect it to. I am not trying to convince you because I will not succeed. If you were actually trying to scumhunt, you would realize by now that I am town. I am trying to convince everyone else in town. Your latest argument that I somehow triggered your trap by not saying the same things as wherebugsgo about the YM lynch is such a stretch. I wonder what you would have said had our replies been identical? Would that have changed your opinion? | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:01 sinani206 wrote: The problem in big games is that scum can kill many relatively big names at a time, giving them an easy win if the game lasts long. Anyway, YAY CLUES (kinda) I took notes as I read the post, so I figured I might as well post them to help town out. If there's anything I missed, let me know and I can update the list. Key words/points in each death:
#7 is the modkill. the explosion isnt a clue. it means theyre modkilled. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Oh yeah, in case it wasn't apparent, MrZentor, Tyrran, zJayy962 were modkilled. which he then says, cool | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
vote #1 is for xtfftc. vote #2 should think about in a bit. also, if BC jailed ace, it could be the missing KP is on ace. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
i think these are the two obvious clue kills for the day. ##vote: xtfftc ##vote: zeks | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
also i guess im the only one awake now ;\ | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
there were two death scenes with two people in them. redff may be mafia and claimed vet to account for one of the lost kp. he can do this knowing that he can argue (correctly) that he is going to be alive from now on because mafia wont be wasting kp on what they now know to be equal to a green, but instead, trying to find actual harmful blue players. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
On November 28 2011 17:42 annul wrote: and as long as palmar keeps popping the double lynches, may as well keep him alive. maybe he will be redeemed by a DT by the time the double lynches run out, who knows There's his triple vote though, might as well lynch him and the double lynches pass to BC that we can coerce into complying just as well. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On November 28 2011 17:42 annul wrote: and as long as palmar keeps popping the double lynches, may as well keep him alive. maybe he will be redeemed by a DT by the time the double lynches run out, who knows DTs cannot investigate me. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 28 2011 08:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ace is replacing Belial- On November 28 2011 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: BrownBear is replacing ArcticRaven Cyber_Cheese is replacing Vain On November 28 2011 08:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Lanaia is replacing Gavin Radfield is replacing ptz And then! On November 28 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Kitaman27 the Vanilla Townie has been found stabbed to death! BrownBear the Vanilla Townie has had his throat slit! LSB the Miller has been beaten to death! Jackal58 tried to run for his car, but barely made it two steps before he was shot in the back. Syllogism the Vigilante has been killed in the woods! Radfield the Vanilla Townie has been murdered in his home! Shit just got unreal. Ace, why should the bodyguards claim if Palmar gets lynched? I agree on the lynching Palmar bit but don't understand how are we going to benefit from them claiming. tnkted, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690¤tpage=105#2094 Serejai, you used to push for lynching Supersoft, now you're pushing for intrigue. What changed? Palmar, On November 28 2011 10:38 Palmar wrote: On top of that I've tried my best to answer every question thrown my way, attack every piece of bad or incorrect logic I have seen along the way, and in general remained very active. You said nothing about my case on you. Am I to understand that you consider my reasoning to be sound? On November 28 2011 14:20 tnkted wrote: Well, that went much better than i was worried about. We still have our mayor, our bodyguards, and our double lynch, and we didn't lose too many important blue roles. Ace, I'll have your decon analysis tomorrow, as well as a wherebugsgo analysis. That second one might take awhile, hes got like a fourth of the posts in this thread Q_Q Anyway bedtime I have class in eight hours The important players are the good ones, not the blues. There's also no reason for mafia to start offing the bodyguards, considering that the mayor is one of them. The night was pretty bad for for us. *** On November 28 2011 14:21 sinani206 wrote: I have a question Where do bugs go, wbg? That's right, THE FOREST This one made me laugh :D It's not a valid clue, of course - even though it is important to remember that WBG has no info on his profile page, so a clue that leads to him should probably be easy to spot. On November 28 2011 14:27 sinani206 wrote: Also kitaman's death: The end of the last comic in Palmar's profile. On November 22 2011 22:22 GMarshal wrote: I'll be taking screenshots of everyone's profile day 1 and linking them in the OP, so that people can change their profiles if they wish. I will basing all clues of off what is present in the screen shot, so if someone has an excessively long profile and it gets cut off, only the parts that I got in the screenshot will count Palmar's profile is rather long. Let's wait and see the actual screenshots; I don't expect it to have the Killing Joke part in it. The other man smiled as he pulled out a pistol, "Good, then I know I've got the right rat". Jackal's death description indicates that a vigilante shot him? He's a decent player who made some bad calls, so it sounds plausible. BR has enough info on his profile to come up with a clue that isn't his nickname. On November 28 2011 12:58 wherebugsgo wrote: actually that could apply to Hier too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Hier This one I can agree with. On November 28 2011 15:53 Steveling wrote: a)xtfftc has a pic with a dude waving a club. LSB was killed with a club. The weapon used on LSB was "a wooden bat", mine is a police batton, which is made out of plastic and rubber and metal. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
wooden bat police batton | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Even though most of the kills were vets, with 16 mafia, if it only takes one regular to convince the others who is good. I kinda missed the deconduo bandwagon here as well, I just saw him at the top of lists, so i assumed he either had a rough start or was actual scum. Seems like all he did was disagree with Palmar/WBG, and that usually lands you on Palmar/WBG's scum list. Something tells me you need to work on what is constructive criticism and what is scum provoked reasoning. Deconduo does not look scummy at all. Please don't use a lynch using essentially the same exact reasoning as you did with YM. Lynching a mayor who activates double lynch also seems dumb as fuck, we need the double lynches, to actually not straight up lose. Whatever argument you have for palmar's alignment, he activated double lynch, and if he keeps doing that, we can't afford to kill. I know palmar is a proud dude, but if I was a scum mayor, it would be an easy choice for me to just blow off the double and get lynched immediately. I don't see how you wouldn't do this as scum. That said, lynch kenpachi/supersoft for a better tomorrow. Or you can use that neat lukerbane thing and let me sleep at night, knowing kenpachi is rolling in a grave. Supersoft is not town, I am sure of this. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:03 bumatlarge wrote: Lynching a mayor who activates double lynch also seems dumb as fuck, we need the double lynches, to actually not straight up lose. Whatever argument you have for palmar's alignment, he activated double lynch, and if he keeps doing that, we can't afford to kill. . agree | ||
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DeadlyPsycho
United States46 Posts
On November 28 2011 01:03 xtfftc wrote: + LSB and bumatlarge Erandorr and tnkted are also decent. And if WBG is on the list, Supersoft should be there as well. LSB was his first choice, so it could be that he targeted him. The clue does make a strong point against him, even if his weapon is just a 'baton', it's a strong resemblance. On November 28 2011 17:54 xtfftc wrote: The weapon used on LSB was "a wooden bat", mine is a police batton, which is made out of plastic and rubber and metal. Now theres zeks who also has a strong clue upon him for the murder of syllo. zeks profile: "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." kill scene: Often, the trail he used was completely empty of other people, and so he was surprised when he finished tying his shoes to look up and see a man in a black trench-coat standing off to the side of the trail ahead of him. Assuming sandroba is a townie, he has had his suspicions on zeks for a while. He asked palmar twice about what he thought about zeks but he never got a reply. zeks was also against palmar at the beginning but then changed his mind later on and voted palmar into office just because of the 'DT' plan even though he was against his LAL policy. | ||
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