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On November 28 2011 18:19 DeadlyPsycho wrote:If we take into account the clue which links xtfftc to the murder of LSB, he mentioned trying to 'save' LSB from being killed during the night: Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 01:03 xtfftc wrote:On November 28 2011 00:52 Palmar wrote:Btw, docs: syllogism jackal sandroba tyrran risk.nuke wherebugsgo kitaman27 redFF prplhz deconduo These guys are all good players. I am posting this list with complete disregard of their alignment. But if you want to protect someone, you should read the filters for these players ( Link to all filters ) And deduce which ones are town and which ones are scum. These people are all worth protecting if they're town. + LSB and bumatlarge Erandorr and tnkted are also decent. And if WBG is on the list, Supersoft should be there as well. LSB was his first choice, so it could be that he targeted him. The clue does make a strong point against him, even if his weapon is just a 'baton', it's a strong resemblance.
Are you suggesting that after the mayor omitted a very important player in his list for people to protect, I decided to point it out that medics should be protecting LSB - and then kill him a few hours later?
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Just going off facts bud. If indeed it is true that you are red, makes for a pretty good story I gotta admit. But you being linked to LSB's murder and the fact that you wanted to protect him as a high priority target is pretty interesting.
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The clues of xfftc and zeks seem waaay too obvious.. I mean, they do fit rather nicely, but eh.. I'll keep my vote on them for now until I see something else.
On November 28 2011 18:08 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 18:03 bumatlarge wrote:
Lynching a mayor who activates double lynch also seems dumb as fuck, we need the double lynches, to actually not straight up lose. Whatever argument you have for palmar's alignment, he activated double lynch, and if he keeps doing that, we can't afford to kill. . agree
Well we could lynch Palmar and then BC would still be able to activate double lynch as per the rules of this game, so we shouldn't let Palmar off just on that alone.
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as long as we have clues as direct as what we have, and as long as palmar keeps activating double lynch, keep him alive.
the day that he stops, pop him. ez pz. this minimizes the off chance that palmar is town and BC is mafia. as long as palmar pops DLs hes doing town favors, so keep him up.
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WBG is the shouty kid who always gets what he wants because he cries louder than anyone else. His scum meta is pretty straightforward, drown out anyone who FOSes him or disagrees with him. He will make as many posts as possible, use insults, and just yell as loud as possible to get people to side with him. This is especially effective in a newbie game where long posts full of bullshit will look pro town.
He gets especially aggravated when there is no clear case against him, which is what I've been doing so far this game. Have a look at his filter in couples therapy, especially towards the middle where me + Sandro accuse him. Its the same in mini mafia X with prplhz. He is posting the exact same way in this game. His pissing match with redFF is another good example.
Palmar is scum as well, and its painfully obvious the two of them are working together. There was no good reason to lynch YM, as several people had pointed out his only 'crime' was to oppose Palmar's run somewhat vocally. The instant he did so Palmar and WBG jumped on him.
I initially thought Sandro was probably scum as well, he's been lurking a lot more than usual. I'm less sure of it now that WBG tried to bus him, but its still a possibility. He certainly isn't playing his usual town game, but he wasn't doing it in MMX either so he might be trying to change.
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Hiya Question. To the owners of this thread can you please link the posts of the Days and Nights in the OP? I dont have time to comb through so much posts every day, it would be much easier to read only the importants during my lunch hour or something.
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I am not comfortable with lynching WBG at the moment. I think he's just his usual bad. I haven't seen him play as mafia and perhaps my read on him is skewed, but I would rather let him be until we have a more solid view on him. It's not like he is going to suddenly start lurking.
I still think think that Palmar is mafia but considering that BC might be town, it might be wise not to lynch Palmar immediately. This way mafia might spare the bodyguards on night 2 and the sheriff would have more protection. I'd lynch Palmar if we don't get better mafia reads though, it's not worth the gamble.
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On November 28 2011 18:53 deconduo wrote:WhereBugsGo WBG is the shouty kid who always gets what he wants because he cries louder than anyone else. His scum meta is pretty straightforward, drown out anyone who FOSes him or disagrees with him. He will make as many posts as possible, use insults, and just yell as loud as possible to get people to side with him. This is especially effective in a newbie game where long posts full of bullshit will look pro town. He gets especially aggravated when there is no clear case against him, which is what I've been doing so far this game. Have a look at his filter in couples therapy, especially towards the middle where me + Sandro accuse him. Its the same in mini mafia X with prplhz. He is posting the exact same way in this game. His pissing match with redFF is another good example. Palmar is scum as well, and its painfully obvious the two of them are working together. There was no good reason to lynch YM, as several people had pointed out his only 'crime' was to oppose Palmar's run somewhat vocally. The instant he did so Palmar and WBG jumped on him. I initially thought Sandro was probably scum as well, he's been lurking a lot more than usual. I'm less sure of it now that WBG tried to bus him, but its still a possibility. He certainly isn't playing his usual town game, but he wasn't doing it in MMX either so he might be trying to change.
People working together does not indicate they must be scum. It indicates people have the confidence to put a read on someone and run with it. Syllogism did exactly that with sandroba, and wherebugsgo is doing that with his logical conclusion I'm not scum.
Until I have a reason to believe otherwise, I think WBG is town.
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@xtf: Your case against me on day one I've covered every single point, I never specifically addressed it to you, but if I'm to answer individually to many people who make the same case, I would be posting even more than I already do.
Your case on day one had three points in it:
1. You accuse me of changing my mind on the plan... well... yeah... I did change my mind, I found that with WBG's changes it had very little chance to be fucked with.
2. You say my case against YM is weak, clearly it was, but I have thoroughly explained my reasoning for it. Read this night's interaction with Ace if you want clarification.
3. You try to lynch me and WBG together, while this is the attitude I take with every player I know is active and whose opinions I respect. You cannot tell anything about WBG's alignment from my posts, and neither can you tell anything about my alignment by wbg's posts.
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EBWOP: That was meant to say "You try to link me and WBG together..."
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Gonna post my ideas about the clues as i am reading them. Going through all these profiles is huge..
Kitaman27 death:
biggest clue must be:
before everything went under a red haze of pain and faded to black.
'prplhz' also read as: 'purple haze' and you can see purple as a kind of red fading to black
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Syllogism was out for his morning run when he stopped to tie his laces. He ran in marathons, and so each day he followed the same routine of waking up in the morning, putting on his tracksuit and going for a half-hour long run through the forest behind his house. Today was no different. Often, the trail he used was completely empty of other people, and so he was surprised when he finished tying his shoes to look up and see a man in a black trench-coat standing off to the side of the trail ahead of him. He was even more surprised when the man lifted a rifle and put two bullets into his chest.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Zeks's profile linky
Syllogism running in woods obviously points to the forest, which can mean a number of people. However, the fact the clue mentions that the trail is usually completely empty, which directly corresponds with the fact that Zeks mentions taking the "less traveled by" road, leads me to believe this is our most obvious clue for today.
Not to mention, this is good in mulitple ways. If any of the DTs decided to follow through with the plan, they will be able to deduce something about their sanity through killing Zeks. He was on the DT check list.
As I mentioned during the night, after realizing he wasn't new Zeks is a complete null-read, which means he hasn't posted enough content to analyse. Seeing as he has not posted at all since making up his mind during the mayor elections, I am going to be voting for him today.
##Vote Zeks
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On November 28 2011 20:10 Palmar wrote:
@xtf: Your case against me on day one I've covered every single point, I never specifically addressed it to you, but if I'm to answer individually to many people who make the same case, I would be posting even more than I already do.
Your case on day one had three points in it:
1. You accuse me of changing my mind on the plan... well... yeah... I did change my mind, I found that with WBG's changes it had very little chance to be fucked with.
2. You say my case against YM is weak, clearly it was, but I have thoroughly explained my reasoning for it. Read this night's interaction with Ace if you want clarification.
3. You try to lynch me and WBG together, while this is the attitude I take with every player I know is active and whose opinions I respect. You cannot tell anything about WBG's alignment from my posts, and neither can you tell anything about my alignment by wbg's posts.
On November 28 2011 20:15 Palmar wrote:
EBWOP: That was meant to say "You try to link me and WBG together..."
1. I did not accuse you on changing your mind but on how you changed it.
2. I've read your discussion with Ace and all it did was strengthen my view. It's not that your case on YM was bad but that it was based on actions that you should have disregarded.. It was all about him saying stupid stuff and not about him pushing mafia agenda. As I pointed out before, you went against your own mantra: "It's not a matter of what people do, but how they do it." Why would you build a case on YM that is entirely based on what he did and not how?
3. How did I try to link you and WBG together exactly? In my case I clearly stated that I didn't have an opinion on whether WBG is town or mafia. The whole point was that he was being illogical but instead of pressuring him for it, you have actually been praising him.
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On November 28 2011 20:18 hyshes wrote:Gonna post my ideas about the clues as i am reading them. Going through all these profiles is huge.. Kitaman27 death: biggest clue must be: 'prplhz' also read as: 'purple haze' and you can see purple as a kind of red fading to black
I thought about this as well but I don't expect the clues to be based on people's nicknames whgen they specifically asked us to spice up our profiles.
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On November 28 2011 20:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +Syllogism was out for his morning run when he stopped to tie his laces. He ran in marathons, and so each day he followed the same routine of waking up in the morning, putting on his tracksuit and going for a half-hour long run through the forest behind his house. Today was no different. Often, the trail he used was completely empty of other people, and so he was surprised when he finished tying his shoes to look up and see a man in a black trench-coat standing off to the side of the trail ahead of him. He was even more surprised when the man lifted a rifle and put two bullets into his chest. "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Zeks's profile linkySyllogism running in woods obviously points to the forest, which can mean a number of people. However, the fact the clue mentions that the trail is usually completely empty, which directly corresponds with the fact that Zeks mentions taking the "less traveled by" road, leads me to believe this is our most obvious clue for today. Not to mention, this is good in mulitple ways. If any of the DTs decided to follow through with the plan, they will be able to deduce something about their sanity through killing Zeks. He was on the DT check list. As I mentioned during the night, after realizing he wasn't new Zeks is a complete null-read, which means he hasn't posted enough content to analyse. Seeing as he has not posted at all since making up his mind during the mayor elections, I am going to be voting for him today. ##Vote Zeks
I suppose I can also link him to the Kitaman killing;
+ Show Spoiler [Kitaman Killpost] +Of course he still bore the tattoos that marked him as part of the family, but he had given up on that path many years ago. Stepping into an alley further down the street, he reflected about how desperately he wanted to set upon a new course in life, and how, after the recent violence, he was scared he might be visited by some of his old comrades, because of what he knew when he had left them.
That can also refer to "the road less traveled" as well, so there's actually two plausible hits that can be associated with him. So, does anyone think it's too obvious, or the fact that both CAN apply means he's doubly suspicious?
As for my second vote; I'm still quite uncertain of whether Hassybaby's profile fits the description for the kitaman kill, or if the various small clues add up to a Kurumi hit on Radfield.
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On November 28 2011 20:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +Syllogism was out for his morning run when he stopped to tie his laces. He ran in marathons, and so each day he followed the same routine of waking up in the morning, putting on his tracksuit and going for a half-hour long run through the forest behind his house. Today was no different. Often, the trail he used was completely empty of other people, and so he was surprised when he finished tying his shoes to look up and see a man in a black trench-coat standing off to the side of the trail ahead of him. He was even more surprised when the man lifted a rifle and put two bullets into his chest. "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." - Zeks's profile linkySyllogism running in woods obviously points to the forest, which can mean a number of people. However, the fact the clue mentions that the trail is usually completely empty, which directly corresponds with the fact that Zeks mentions taking the "less traveled by" road, leads me to believe this is our most obvious clue for today. Not to mention, this is good in mulitple ways. If any of the DTs decided to follow through with the plan, they will be able to deduce something about their sanity through killing Zeks. He was on the DT check list. As I mentioned during the night, after realizing he wasn't new Zeks is a complete null-read, which means he hasn't posted enough content to analyse. Seeing as he has not posted at all since making up his mind during the mayor elections, I am going to be voting for him today. ##Vote Zeks
I don't want to disagree because I agree with your logic, but I just feel like the clues wont be this obvious. I doubt that any clue will stand out to be this obvious just like the xttfc and the bat assumption. I like to read into the empty and forest part which could reference someone having an empty profile.
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Btw, I'm up for lynching Ace today.
I'm actually up for dedicating one of the lynches today to either killing me or Ace. As long as town agrees to lynch the other should one flip town. While losing me as town mayor sucks, the influence Ace already has over town is troubling, and if I have to trade myself 1 for 1 against him, I'll do it.
If you're voting for Wherebugsgo, vote me instead, or preferably, Ace.
I think everyone in town can agree that dedicating one of the lynches today to not lynching based on clues, but analysis, is going to force people who would otherwise skirt by with doing clue analysis, to actually contribute to the thread.
In my book a one for one trade is a good one.
What do you say Ace, you up for a stand-off?
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@Cyriandor How does that clue on kita point to a less traveled road?
@Mattchew So based on your logic we should be using clues that actually have a very remote chance to pointing to the person in question right?
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On November 28 2011 20:42 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 20:18 hyshes wrote:Gonna post my ideas about the clues as i am reading them. Going through all these profiles is huge.. Kitaman27 death: biggest clue must be: before everything went under a red haze of pain and faded to black. 'prplhz' also read as: 'purple haze' and you can see purple as a kind of red fading to black I thought about this as well but I don't expect the clues to be based on people's nicknames whgen they specifically asked us to spice up our profiles.
yes the do:
from OP:
Clues:
There are clues. They will be based on the player's username and anything in their profile.
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