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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:25 GreYMisT wrote: Ah you are making the mistake of trying to apply normal logic and reason to sinani's posts. I was like you once. nah, he just ninja'd my ebwop | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
I'm referencing past history with other games. But I also thought he was talking to you with that post. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:28 GreYMisT wrote: I'm referencing past history with other games. But I also thought he was talking to you with that post. don't make assumptions related to me--they're probably wrong  | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51630 Posts
What the fuck? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:04 Ace wrote: You did? Show me again. Because what you posted before was hot garbage. mmkay. I will do this once and only once for this post, since repeating myself over and over about this is only going to serve to derail the thread. If you have further questions/concerns or ways in which you think I am scum after you have read this rebuttal, go ahead and ask/attack me. I challenge you. On November 28 2011 13:31 Ace wrote: The case on you has already been built up. I'm really wondering why is it that you spoke for Palmar about the YM lynch but Palmar didn't even come to the same conclusion. I purposely made sure to clarify my questioning so I wouldn't be confused and you repeatedly stated that ym lied. Then I did the same and waited to see if Palmar would agree with you. So, your point here is that I apparently came to Palmar's defense because I spoke about the YM lynch before Palmar did. This makes me scum how, exactly? You're hinting here that our alignments are scum-aligned and that I am protecting Palmar on the YM lynch because I am scumbuddies with him. This is a fallacious assertion, though implied and not explicitly stated. You, of all people, should know that is futile to try and connect two players together before one of them has flipped. Yet, you're trying to forge a connection between myself and Palmar when no such connection exists. On November 28 2011 13:31 Ace wrote: Why didn't Palmar state the same thing when I he initially responded to me? Not once in his post did he ever state he lynched ym for lying. We run into the issue here. I see the problem. You would conclude that we're both scum no matter what I or Palmar had said! Imagine the alternative to this situation. I say that I supported the YM lynch because YM was a liar. Palmar comes in the thread and supports this, saying, "yeah I lynched YM because he was a liar." You would then call me scum for "defending" Palmar's choice with him coming in and saying exactly what I had said earlier. On November 28 2011 13:31 Ace wrote: So how is it that you can say that is the reason to justify the lynch when the man who actually pulled the rope didn't even say so? Maybe one of you isn't Mafia. But I highly doubt BOTH of you can be Town. 2 Town players who are supposedly good who are supposedly reading the thread came to 2 clashing conclusions on the same lynch with one guy trying to speak for the other. ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luzqs1nPpb1qzlauh.gif) Once again, fallacious. The conclusion wasn't different. The conclusion was the same! The reasoning was different. That simply serves to show that we are independent players and we have independent reasons for believing a player is scummy. It says nothing about our alignments whatsoever, and in fact makes us far more likely to be working separately. In order for that to be true AND for us to be scum, that means we have to be scum working together trying to make it look as if we're not working together. Occam's Razor, as you well know, would suggest that this is an unnecessary assumption. The simplest answer here is that we are working separately and not trying to feign separation, which means that either we are both town, or at worst one of us is scum. At no point did I try to speak for Palmar. I gave reasons why I supported the lynch. Here you try to twist the situation at hand to better fit your own goals. You have this idea already implanted in your head, that Palmar and I are scum and I am trying to speak on Palmar's behalf. This is not true, and you would not phrase this sentence: But I highly doubt BOTH of you can be Town. 2 Town players who are supposedly good who are supposedly reading the thread came to 2 clashing conclusions on the same lynch with one guy trying to speak for the other. the way you did unless you already had that preformed conclusion in your mind. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 28 2011 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote: Supersoft can you explain which players you think on this list are scum? BloodyC0bbler - 14 Pigsquirrel BloodyC0bbler Kenpachi t3tsubo hyshes minus_human Bumatlarge Intrigue Lemonwalrus Hassybaby sinani206 Personally I find more troubling players on sandro's vote list than BC's. only these players look town to me. The others on that list barely talk. Bumatlarge I think is very very likely scum, the others Idk, I just wake up. wherebugsgo Kurumi Toadesstern Tnkted Jackal58 _________ BC still didn't answer my questions... On November 28 2011 08:47 Ace wrote: youngminii isn't a bad player at all. In fact he had a decent amount of posts. Let's keep that in mind. In any game of Mafia with a day start everyone that is Town aligned has no information outside of themselves barring special circumstances. Also keep in mind that lynches are used to get rid of Scum. The Mayor gets his 1 time auto-lynch. Who should he lynch? Remember, the Mayor if Town doesn't know who is Scum. He is just as much in the dark as everyone else. So why would you lynch youngminii? The only justification is if he can be proven to be Scum. But it's a day start, hence Palmar doesn't have enough information to justify lynching an active player. Typically you want to lynch someone that is inactive or known to be useless. YM doesn't fit either of these criteria. The Mayor abused his power to get rid of someone who he didn't like. Which even if he was Town-aligned shows our Mayor isn't fit enough for office to think clearly and take dissenting opinions without making a bold move. But Palmar is a decent player (far, far, far below my level but still). So he should know better than to do that. Combine his expected behavior with his ridiculous actions = Scum Mayor. supersoft is terrible so you want to get rid of him asap. Easily sheeped into doing Scummy things. Very possible he is Scum. I am disappointed. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On November 28 2011 14:12 ey215 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 28 2011 14:01 sinani206 wrote: The problem in big games is that scum can kill many relatively big names at a time, giving them an easy win if the game lasts long. Anyway, YAY CLUES (kinda) I took notes as I read the post, so I figured I might as well post them to help town out. If there's anything I missed, let me know and I can update the list. Key words/points in each death:
Time to go look through profiles. *sigh* I think where syllo was killed may have been a clue as well, it went out of the way to state that it was in the forest and someplace you never see another person. After 10 or so profiles I've already decided I don't like clues. Yea i noticed the forest part. Here is what i found annul's Public Profile: Chester Nimitz at spi?gle Perimysial Park Forest Maarianhamina carapace By inchmeal sidetrack tread in the steps of slave narrative overnice water shield Old World jay JUBILEE, CYCLE OF THE singe MARCION, GOSPEL OF PN31 Right in the first bit of his profile Its not much but its called a clue for a reason i think going back and checking annul would be good | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 28 2011 15:03 supersoft wrote: only these players look town to me. The others on that list barely talk. Bumatlarge I think is very very likely scum, the others Idk, I just wake up. wherebugsgo Kurumi Toadesstern Tnkted Jackal58 _________ BC still didn't answer my questions... I am disappointed. Right, but none of the others on that list actually have done anything that warrants them being scum. I think most of the players who voted BC are town, tbh. Can you explain what bumatlarge has done that makes you think he is scum? He's lurked hard and all he did was attack you, but other than that I really can't see why bum would be scum over anyone else at this point. He'd make a good lurker vig shot if he keeps this up though. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 28 2011 15:04 jaybrundage wrote: Yea i noticed the forest part. Here is what i found annul's Public Profile: Chester Nimitz at spi?gle Perimysial Park Forest Maarianhamina carapace By inchmeal sidetrack tread in the steps of slave narrative overnice water shield Old World jay JUBILEE, CYCLE OF THE singe MARCION, GOSPEL OF PN31 Right in the first bit of his profile Its not much but its called a clue for a reason i think going back and checking annul would be good annul is also one of my best scumreads so I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually true. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
Palmer, I find you scummy but in a less reliable way. I want your ( palmer%s) and any other's input on what games to look at where you directed town as both scum and as town. I require more to understand the motives you have. I don't think your Lynch choice was bad as we have anti Lurker elements in the form of power roles and mods and I felt like the GM flip wasn't a sure thing so it was useful info. He was my 3rd choice for Lynch personally out of 80 so ya. Ace can you duck my filter and comment on my views concerning directing pose roles? Also would love you to weigh in on dude with that h name. Ill be offering alot more logical points when I'm awake and at a keyboard but for now I plan to vote and explain a case I already started on H. Fyi I work 8-430pm mon-fri and can read follow a thread usually but can't PST (login server blocked). Wbugguy I think alot of your opinions are kinda off and emotion flavored. It would me to read you if you could tell me about your Mafia history in general, here, and with certain players. Can you help me there bro? P.s. hero is fucking imba | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
It probably suggests he doesn't fear getting caught by clues since he shoved a massive wall of unreadable text into his profile. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
My gut with no math looksie at or attempt to game theory is that something like that is gonna be useful after the fact? Like oh we see this flip and hat guys flip fits x clue... The other option is that clues lead to lunches... is that the case? | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
Also, holy pandas the guy I replaced had very very few posts (four including his /in) | ||
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Lanaia
Canada1142 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
kivnugo Fore velvet bean ekistics lock chamber stubbly retold Acer saccharum Pickpocket Quinazol paper nautilus hog-nut Confidential fibroin IN41 Arctic ground squirrel revelationist To make sure Relicly house seat To overhaul running rigging And here is another bit that points annul to the murder. Running and the victim went on a run. This was at the bottom part of his profile | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 28 2011 15:10 vaderseven wrote: I still think that Mr H (God I'm drunk in bed on phone and his name has 4 letters heir?) is by far the scummiest play day 1. I would love for more peipleA's opinion oh his filter.... he comes off as having bits of info that influence his tone/wording. I just have a strong feeling that he at the very least was aware of alignments when making some his posts. Palmer, I find you scummy but in a less reliable way. I want your ( palmer%s) and any other's input on what games to look at where you directed town as both scum and as town. I require more to understand the motives you have. I don't think your Lynch choice was bad as we have anti Lurker elements in the form of power roles and mods and I felt like the GM flip wasn't a sure thing so it was useful info. He was my 3rd choice for Lynch personally out of 80 so ya. Ace can you duck my filter and comment on my views concerning directing pose roles? Also would love you to weigh in on dude with that h name. Ill be offering alot more logical points when I'm awake and at a keyboard but for now I plan to vote and explain a case I already started on H. Fyi I work 8-430pm mon-fri and can read follow a thread usually but can't PST (login server blocked). Wbugguy I think alot of your opinions are kinda off and emotion flavored. It would me to read you if you could tell me about your Mafia history in general, here, and with certain players. Can you help me there bro? P.s. hero is fucking imba Which opinions do you think are off/emotionally charged? I generally have a low tolerance for (what I perceive to be) bad reasoning, but other than that it's usually just my posting style that tends to be perceived as very abrasive or harsh. That's simply how I am; I generally am very blunt and not afraid of expressing my opinion. I think most townies should unafraid of posting their thoughts, since for the most part, their voices are the most powerful thing they have. Of course, that's coupled with good reasoning skills, since a loud and unreasonable voice is more detrimental than helpful. Anyway, my history here dates back about 3 months. I have played most with Palmar, Erandorr, GreYMisT, bumatlarge, supersoft, sandroba, and a few others. All of those players will be able to give you an idea of what they think of me as a player. Personally I think my own weaknesses are that I tend to have a hard time distinguishing bad townies from scum and I tend to have such a low tolerance for bad reasoning that I sometimes blow mistakes out of proportion. In addition, generally if a game is making no sense to me at all I lose my sense of what is optimal play and what is not, and so I begin having a hard time what would make sense from scum perspectives. I then make a lot of wrong decisions because I try to apply optimal play to a situation in which non-optimal play is occurring. I've played 3 games as scum and I believe 6 as town. Generally I post a lot (look at my filter) and I tunnel a lot. I tunnel because I think the best way to catch scum is to pressure them and force mistakes. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On November 28 2011 15:10 vaderseven wrote: I still think that Mr H (God I'm drunk in bed on phone and his name has 4 letters heir?) is by far the scummiest play day 1. I would love for more peipleA's opinion oh his filter.... he comes off as having bits of info that influence his tone/wording. I just have a strong feeling that he at the very least was aware of alignments when making some his posts. Palmer, I find you scummy but in a less reliable way. I want your ( palmer%s) and any other's input on what games to look at where you directed town as both scum and as town. I require more to understand the motives you have. I don't think your Lynch choice was bad as we have anti Lurker elements in the form of power roles and mods and I felt like the GM flip wasn't a sure thing so it was useful info. He was my 3rd choice for Lynch personally out of 80 so ya. Ace can you duck my filter and comment on my views concerning directing pose roles? Also would love you to weigh in on dude with that h name. Ill be offering alot more logical points when I'm awake and at a keyboard but for now I plan to vote and explain a case I already started on H. Fyi I work 8-430pm mon-fri and can read follow a thread usually but can't PST (login server blocked). Wbugguy I think alot of your opinions are kinda off and emotion flavored. It would me to read you if you could tell me about your Mafia history in general, here, and with certain players. Can you help me there bro? P.s. hero is fucking imba he knows what hes doing but sometimes lets his emotions get him out of control, especially with players that he thinks aren't as good as him (i.e. me, nisani, etc.) hes a good player when he isnt crazy. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On November 28 2011 09:35 Serejai wrote: INTRIGUE THE MAFIA SCUM First, his entire post history in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=19405 As you can see he's playing the "I don't have a clue what I'm doing" card. However, there's one major flaw with this approach: intrigue plays mafia offline He knows exactly what he's doing. So why would he pretend to be a complete newb? Because he's trying to hide his role by making people feel like he isn't a threat. Lynch intrigue Also mafia and coming soon: sandroba Palmar supersoft redFF Greymist Annul kitaman Kurumi wherebugsgo BTW i hate this post it has such little content to it. It seems your main skill is making text red as can be seen in most of your posts. Forum Mafia and RL mafia are very different. I played a couple games of RL mafia but when it came to forum mafia its extremely different. And besides that you have no info. You mentioned him before and claimed he was lurky if i remember correctly. But plz try to post some analyze with out just spamming red text next time | ||
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