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So here's the thing bothering me about WBG, specifically this post about YM (added the bold myself for emphasis):
On November 26 2011 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 19:07 sandroba wrote:
@wbg Your "logic" is extremelly faulty. You are arguing then that sinani can never be scum because he is bad? Do you think that lynching into the few vets we have in this game is optimal play for day 1? Isn't YM a simillar easy lynch by your own standards? Please. No, I am arguing that sinani will nearly always be an easy lynch. There's a significant difference. Our job as townies is to lynch scum, sinani will never be the optimal choice for lynch day 1 unless you have some way of divining his alignment or you are left in a situation in which no one else makes sense. Since the first is impossible and the second is ludicrous by the sheer number of players we have, we should not even be discussing a day 1 lynch of players like sinani. I think lynching the person who is most actively pushing scum agenda on day 1 is optimal play. It's bound to be a vet, since I really doubt a new player is going to jump in and be so incredibly pro-scum that we have no choice but to lynch him. Lastly, about YM: If YM has a history of being useless as town, if people very easily agree to lynching YM (and have done so in the past) with very minimal reasoning, and if YM becomes completely inactive with no clear behavioral indications of either alignment, then yeah, he probably is an easy lynch too. However, since none of those things are true, why are you trying to say YM is an easy lynch like sinani is?You're not even arguing that sinani isn't an easy lynch at this point. It's almost as if you've agreed with me.
So you've been defending that lynch as a LaL and that it was good strategically while contradicting yourself here. Which one is it? I never saw you make a case after this post that any of these things had changed. Why was he not an easy lynch and then suddenly during the night he was an easy lynch?
Also, I read your cases on Hier and others and at least to me they read as, "They don't agree with me therefore they must be scum so they need to be dead before night 3."
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and how is that two clashing conclusions?
We came to the same conclusion, that YM is scum, for differing reasons. If we were both scum then we'd probably be using the same reasons. I supported the YM lynch because I thought he was scum. That's all there is to it.
I don't even recall what Palmar's argument for YM being scum was.
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On November 28 2011 13:37 ey215 wrote:So here's the thing bothering me about WBG, specifically this post about YM (added the bold myself for emphasis): Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 26 2011 19:07 sandroba wrote:
@wbg Your "logic" is extremelly faulty. You are arguing then that sinani can never be scum because he is bad? Do you think that lynching into the few vets we have in this game is optimal play for day 1? Isn't YM a simillar easy lynch by your own standards? Please. No, I am arguing that sinani will nearly always be an easy lynch. There's a significant difference. Our job as townies is to lynch scum, sinani will never be the optimal choice for lynch day 1 unless you have some way of divining his alignment or you are left in a situation in which no one else makes sense. Since the first is impossible and the second is ludicrous by the sheer number of players we have, we should not even be discussing a day 1 lynch of players like sinani. I think lynching the person who is most actively pushing scum agenda on day 1 is optimal play. It's bound to be a vet, since I really doubt a new player is going to jump in and be so incredibly pro-scum that we have no choice but to lynch him. Lastly, about YM: If YM has a history of being useless as town, if people very easily agree to lynching YM (and have done so in the past) with very minimal reasoning, and if YM becomes completely inactive with no clear behavioral indications of either alignment, then yeah, he probably is an easy lynch too. However, since none of those things are true, why are you trying to say YM is an easy lynch like sinani is?You're not even arguing that sinani isn't an easy lynch at this point. It's almost as if you've agreed with me. So you've been defending that lynch as a LaL and that it was good strategically while contradicting yourself here. Which one is it? I never saw you make a case after this post that any of these things had changed. Why was he not an easy lynch and then suddenly during the night he was an easy lynch? Also, I read your cases on Hier and others and at least to me they read as, "They don't agree with me therefore they must be scum so they need to be dead before night 3."
Wait, how does what I said there contradictory to the YM lynch? I don't know how youngminii plays, this is the first game I've played with him.
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*how is
I'm not understanding the question, since my argument is that we lynch whoever is pushing the scummiest agenda on day 1. IMO it was YM, for reasons I have cited before. Primarily it was because he lied and then used the lie (or mistake, as we see it now) in order to say that Palmar was using a strawman.
Deliberately misleading arguments fall under "scum agenda," do they not?
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Wrong thread. Carry on.
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On November 28 2011 13:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 13:31 Ace wrote:The case on you has already been built up. I'm really wondering why is it that you spoke for Palmar about the YM lynch but Palmar didn't even come to the same conclusion. I purposely made sure to clarify my questioning so I wouldn't be confused and you repeatedly stated that ym lied. Then I did the same and waited to see if Palmar would agree with you. Why didn't Palmar state the same thing when I he initially responded to me? Not once in his post did he ever state he lynched ym for lying. So how is it that you can say that is the reason to justify the lynch when the man who actually pulled the rope didn't even say so? Maybe one of you isn't Mafia. But I highly doubt BOTH of you can be Town. 2 Town players who are supposedly good who are supposedly reading the thread came to 2 clashing conclusions on the same lynch with one guy trying to speak for the other. because that's why I supported the YM lynch. All this proves is that Palmar and I cannot be working together. As in, we cannot both be scum.
how does it prove that??
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On November 28 2011 13:38 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 13:37 ey215 wrote:So here's the thing bothering me about WBG, specifically this post about YM (added the bold myself for emphasis): On November 26 2011 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 26 2011 19:07 sandroba wrote:
@wbg Your "logic" is extremelly faulty. You are arguing then that sinani can never be scum because he is bad? Do you think that lynching into the few vets we have in this game is optimal play for day 1? Isn't YM a simillar easy lynch by your own standards? Please. No, I am arguing that sinani will nearly always be an easy lynch. There's a significant difference. Our job as townies is to lynch scum, sinani will never be the optimal choice for lynch day 1 unless you have some way of divining his alignment or you are left in a situation in which no one else makes sense. Since the first is impossible and the second is ludicrous by the sheer number of players we have, we should not even be discussing a day 1 lynch of players like sinani. I think lynching the person who is most actively pushing scum agenda on day 1 is optimal play. It's bound to be a vet, since I really doubt a new player is going to jump in and be so incredibly pro-scum that we have no choice but to lynch him. Lastly, about YM: If YM has a history of being useless as town, if people very easily agree to lynching YM (and have done so in the past) with very minimal reasoning, and if YM becomes completely inactive with no clear behavioral indications of either alignment, then yeah, he probably is an easy lynch too. However, since none of those things are true, why are you trying to say YM is an easy lynch like sinani is?You're not even arguing that sinani isn't an easy lynch at this point. It's almost as if you've agreed with me. So you've been defending that lynch as a LaL and that it was good strategically while contradicting yourself here. Which one is it? I never saw you make a case after this post that any of these things had changed. Why was he not an easy lynch and then suddenly during the night he was an easy lynch? Also, I read your cases on Hier and others and at least to me they read as, "They don't agree with me therefore they must be scum so they need to be dead before night 3." Wait, how does what I said there contradictory to the YM lynch? I don't know how youngminii plays, this is the first game I've played with him.
In the first post you argue with sandroba that YM isn't an easy lynch and then afterwards:
On November 28 2011 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 09:06 ey215 wrote:[B]On November 28 2011 08:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
You always lynch whoever you think is most likely to be scum. The players who have a history of being useless are more likely to be bored town than anything else. Except, why would anyone think youngmini was likely scum? Going through his posts all I can find is that he strongly opposed Palamar and then towards then end BC. His only crime was fighting against the tide of people voting for who we ended up with in power? I suppose if you buy the whole, "His scum play is better than his town play" thing as a lie, but I that sure read more as opinion than stating outright fact. Again, what did we gain by auto lynching youngmini? Any new information? Perhaps on Palamar and BC, but so far people (myself included) have been prone to letting a few people dictate the discussions. This has to stop now and we as newbies need to get in here and make some choices. Why are you defending this lynch so hard? Is it because you were a key catalyst to it? I'm defending it because I would support it again in a heartbeat. I just provided you with a list of quotes that support youngminii looking like scum. He played badly, obviously, but he played in a scum manner. Think about it. He lied and then tried to spin his own lie to say his target is using a strawman. That's misleading AND stupid. He seeded doubt among town with no supporting evidence. He barely contributed anything. He supported SINANI for mayor. I don't know very much about youngminii's play, but if Ace is right that he is a good player then, IMO, he played pretty badly in this game. the simple fact that youngminii was confirmed to lie is enough, since that's generally more than enough to lynch someone. LaL isn't a policy for nothing. My second choice was deconduo, who hopefully gets lynched tomorrow.
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On November 28 2011 13:42 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 13:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 28 2011 13:31 Ace wrote:The case on you has already been built up. I'm really wondering why is it that you spoke for Palmar about the YM lynch but Palmar didn't even come to the same conclusion. I purposely made sure to clarify my questioning so I wouldn't be confused and you repeatedly stated that ym lied. Then I did the same and waited to see if Palmar would agree with you. Why didn't Palmar state the same thing when I he initially responded to me? Not once in his post did he ever state he lynched ym for lying. So how is it that you can say that is the reason to justify the lynch when the man who actually pulled the rope didn't even say so? Maybe one of you isn't Mafia. But I highly doubt BOTH of you can be Town. 2 Town players who are supposedly good who are supposedly reading the thread came to 2 clashing conclusions on the same lynch with one guy trying to speak for the other. because that's why I supported the YM lynch. All this proves is that Palmar and I cannot be working together. As in, we cannot both be scum. how does it prove that??
Ace is trying to suggest that I'm scum defending Palmar for him.
If I were actually doing that, don't you think I'd probably use the same arguments that Palmar used to call YM scum?
On November 28 2011 13:43 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 13:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 28 2011 13:37 ey215 wrote:So here's the thing bothering me about WBG, specifically this post about YM (added the bold myself for emphasis): On November 26 2011 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 26 2011 19:07 sandroba wrote:
@wbg Your "logic" is extremelly faulty. You are arguing then that sinani can never be scum because he is bad? Do you think that lynching into the few vets we have in this game is optimal play for day 1? Isn't YM a simillar easy lynch by your own standards? Please. No, I am arguing that sinani will nearly always be an easy lynch. There's a significant difference. Our job as townies is to lynch scum, sinani will never be the optimal choice for lynch day 1 unless you have some way of divining his alignment or you are left in a situation in which no one else makes sense. Since the first is impossible and the second is ludicrous by the sheer number of players we have, we should not even be discussing a day 1 lynch of players like sinani. I think lynching the person who is most actively pushing scum agenda on day 1 is optimal play. It's bound to be a vet, since I really doubt a new player is going to jump in and be so incredibly pro-scum that we have no choice but to lynch him. Lastly, about YM: If YM has a history of being useless as town, if people very easily agree to lynching YM (and have done so in the past) with very minimal reasoning, and if YM becomes completely inactive with no clear behavioral indications of either alignment, then yeah, he probably is an easy lynch too. However, since none of those things are true, why are you trying to say YM is an easy lynch like sinani is?You're not even arguing that sinani isn't an easy lynch at this point. It's almost as if you've agreed with me. So you've been defending that lynch as a LaL and that it was good strategically while contradicting yourself here. Which one is it? I never saw you make a case after this post that any of these things had changed. Why was he not an easy lynch and then suddenly during the night he was an easy lynch? Also, I read your cases on Hier and others and at least to me they read as, "They don't agree with me therefore they must be scum so they need to be dead before night 3." Wait, how does what I said there contradictory to the YM lynch? I don't know how youngminii plays, this is the first game I've played with him. In the first post you argue with sandroba that YM isn't an easy lynch and then afterwards: Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 28 2011 09:06 ey215 wrote:[B]On November 28 2011 08:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
You always lynch whoever you think is most likely to be scum. The players who have a history of being useless are more likely to be bored town than anything else. Except, why would anyone think youngmini was likely scum? Going through his posts all I can find is that he strongly opposed Palamar and then towards then end BC. His only crime was fighting against the tide of people voting for who we ended up with in power? I suppose if you buy the whole, "His scum play is better than his town play" thing as a lie, but I that sure read more as opinion than stating outright fact. Again, what did we gain by auto lynching youngmini? Any new information? Perhaps on Palamar and BC, but so far people (myself included) have been prone to letting a few people dictate the discussions. This has to stop now and we as newbies need to get in here and make some choices. Why are you defending this lynch so hard? Is it because you were a key catalyst to it? I'm defending it because I would support it again in a heartbeat. I just provided you with a list of quotes that support youngminii looking like scum. He played badly, obviously, but he played in a scum manner. Think about it. He lied and then tried to spin his own lie to say his target is using a strawman. That's misleading AND stupid. He seeded doubt among town with no supporting evidence. He barely contributed anything. He supported SINANI for mayor. I don't know very much about youngminii's play, but if Ace is right that he is a good player then, IMO, he played pretty badly in this game. the simple fact that youngminii was confirmed to lie is enough, since that's generally more than enough to lynch someone. LaL isn't a policy for nothing. My second choice was deconduo, who hopefully gets lynched tomorrow.
At what point do I ever contradict myself on that?
I never called YM an easy lynch. In fact, if we had a regular lynch vote yesterday instead of the mayoral campaign you probably would've seen that. There was a lot of vocal opposition to YM's lynch, a lot of which was obviously correct.
From what I understand YM is not a player who is consistently useless and bad as town. Thus he would never be an easy lynch.
On other other hand, inactives and players who generally contribute very little make very easy lynches because everyone tends to agree that they need to die.
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On November 28 2011 13:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
and how is that two clashing conclusions?
We came to the same conclusion, that YM is scum, for differing reasons. If we were both scum then we'd probably be using the same reasons. I supported the YM lynch because I thought he was scum. That's all there is to it.
Palmar lynched ym bcause he opposed him. You said ym deserved to be lynched for lying. Neither one of you proved that this was a credible reason to lynch YM. Especially since his lie wasn't even anything effecting the game.
How can both of you come to differing conclusions about the guy that don't even match up at all? You mean to tell me in ONE DAY ym was so freaking scummy he was caught in 2 (shoddy) ways that aren't even related? :/
I don't even recall what Palmar's argument for YM being scum was.
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On November 28 2011 13:49 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 13:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
and how is that two clashing conclusions?
We came to the same conclusion, that YM is scum, for differing reasons. If we were both scum then we'd probably be using the same reasons. I supported the YM lynch because I thought he was scum. That's all there is to it.
Palmar lynched ym bcause he opposed him. You said ym deserved to be lynched for lying. Neither one of you proved that this was a credible reason to lynch YM. Especially since his lie wasn't even anything effecting the game. How can both of you come to differing conclusions about the guy that don't even match up at all? You mean to tell me in ONE DAY ym was so freaking scummy he was caught in 2 (shoddy) ways that aren't even related? :/
So you think everyone else who supported lynching YM yesterday is scum too?
I can't believe as town you'd be this retarded.
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On November 28 2011 13:47 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 13:42 redFF wrote:On November 28 2011 13:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 28 2011 13:31 Ace wrote:The case on you has already been built up. I'm really wondering why is it that you spoke for Palmar about the YM lynch but Palmar didn't even come to the same conclusion. I purposely made sure to clarify my questioning so I wouldn't be confused and you repeatedly stated that ym lied. Then I did the same and waited to see if Palmar would agree with you. Why didn't Palmar state the same thing when I he initially responded to me? Not once in his post did he ever state he lynched ym for lying. So how is it that you can say that is the reason to justify the lynch when the man who actually pulled the rope didn't even say so? Maybe one of you isn't Mafia. But I highly doubt BOTH of you can be Town. 2 Town players who are supposedly good who are supposedly reading the thread came to 2 clashing conclusions on the same lynch with one guy trying to speak for the other. because that's why I supported the YM lynch. All this proves is that Palmar and I cannot be working together. As in, we cannot both be scum. how does it prove that?? Ace is trying to suggest that I'm scum defending Palmar for him. If I were actually doing that, don't you think I'd probably use the same arguments that Palmar used to call YM scum? Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 13:43 ey215 wrote:On November 28 2011 13:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 28 2011 13:37 ey215 wrote:So here's the thing bothering me about WBG, specifically this post about YM (added the bold myself for emphasis): On November 26 2011 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 26 2011 19:07 sandroba wrote:
@wbg Your "logic" is extremelly faulty. You are arguing then that sinani can never be scum because he is bad? Do you think that lynching into the few vets we have in this game is optimal play for day 1? Isn't YM a simillar easy lynch by your own standards? Please. No, I am arguing that sinani will nearly always be an easy lynch. There's a significant difference. Our job as townies is to lynch scum, sinani will never be the optimal choice for lynch day 1 unless you have some way of divining his alignment or you are left in a situation in which no one else makes sense. Since the first is impossible and the second is ludicrous by the sheer number of players we have, we should not even be discussing a day 1 lynch of players like sinani. I think lynching the person who is most actively pushing scum agenda on day 1 is optimal play. It's bound to be a vet, since I really doubt a new player is going to jump in and be so incredibly pro-scum that we have no choice but to lynch him. Lastly, about YM: If YM has a history of being useless as town, if people very easily agree to lynching YM (and have done so in the past) with very minimal reasoning, and if YM becomes completely inactive with no clear behavioral indications of either alignment, then yeah, he probably is an easy lynch too. However, since none of those things are true, why are you trying to say YM is an easy lynch like sinani is?You're not even arguing that sinani isn't an easy lynch at this point. It's almost as if you've agreed with me. So you've been defending that lynch as a LaL and that it was good strategically while contradicting yourself here. Which one is it? I never saw you make a case after this post that any of these things had changed. Why was he not an easy lynch and then suddenly during the night he was an easy lynch? Also, I read your cases on Hier and others and at least to me they read as, "They don't agree with me therefore they must be scum so they need to be dead before night 3." Wait, how does what I said there contradictory to the YM lynch? I don't know how youngminii plays, this is the first game I've played with him. In the first post you argue with sandroba that YM isn't an easy lynch and then afterwards: On November 28 2011 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 28 2011 09:06 ey215 wrote:[B]On November 28 2011 08:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
You always lynch whoever you think is most likely to be scum. The players who have a history of being useless are more likely to be bored town than anything else. Except, why would anyone think youngmini was likely scum? Going through his posts all I can find is that he strongly opposed Palamar and then towards then end BC. His only crime was fighting against the tide of people voting for who we ended up with in power? I suppose if you buy the whole, "His scum play is better than his town play" thing as a lie, but I that sure read more as opinion than stating outright fact. Again, what did we gain by auto lynching youngmini? Any new information? Perhaps on Palamar and BC, but so far people (myself included) have been prone to letting a few people dictate the discussions. This has to stop now and we as newbies need to get in here and make some choices. Why are you defending this lynch so hard? Is it because you were a key catalyst to it? I'm defending it because I would support it again in a heartbeat. I just provided you with a list of quotes that support youngminii looking like scum. He played badly, obviously, but he played in a scum manner. Think about it. He lied and then tried to spin his own lie to say his target is using a strawman. That's misleading AND stupid. He seeded doubt among town with no supporting evidence. He barely contributed anything. He supported SINANI for mayor. I don't know very much about youngminii's play, but if Ace is right that he is a good player then, IMO, he played pretty badly in this game. the simple fact that youngminii was confirmed to lie is enough, since that's generally more than enough to lynch someone. LaL isn't a policy for nothing. My second choice was deconduo, who hopefully gets lynched tomorrow. At what point do I ever contradict myself on that? I never called YM an easy lynch. In fact, if we had a regular lynch vote yesterday instead of the mayoral campaign you probably would've seen that. There was a lot of vocal opposition to YM's lynch, a lot of which was obviously correct. From what I understand YM is not a player who is consistently useless and bad as town. Thus he would never be an easy lynch. On other other hand, inactives and players who generally contribute very little make very easy lynches because everyone tends to agree that they need to die.
The second post you're contradicting yourself from the first. "You'd support that decision again in a heartbeat".
Really? Any decision you'd support again in a heartbeat is by definition an easy decision.
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On November 28 2011 13:51 ey215 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 13:47 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 28 2011 13:42 redFF wrote:On November 28 2011 13:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 28 2011 13:31 Ace wrote:The case on you has already been built up. I'm really wondering why is it that you spoke for Palmar about the YM lynch but Palmar didn't even come to the same conclusion. I purposely made sure to clarify my questioning so I wouldn't be confused and you repeatedly stated that ym lied. Then I did the same and waited to see if Palmar would agree with you. Why didn't Palmar state the same thing when I he initially responded to me? Not once in his post did he ever state he lynched ym for lying. So how is it that you can say that is the reason to justify the lynch when the man who actually pulled the rope didn't even say so? Maybe one of you isn't Mafia. But I highly doubt BOTH of you can be Town. 2 Town players who are supposedly good who are supposedly reading the thread came to 2 clashing conclusions on the same lynch with one guy trying to speak for the other. because that's why I supported the YM lynch. All this proves is that Palmar and I cannot be working together. As in, we cannot both be scum. how does it prove that?? Ace is trying to suggest that I'm scum defending Palmar for him. If I were actually doing that, don't you think I'd probably use the same arguments that Palmar used to call YM scum? On November 28 2011 13:43 ey215 wrote:On November 28 2011 13:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 28 2011 13:37 ey215 wrote:So here's the thing bothering me about WBG, specifically this post about YM (added the bold myself for emphasis): On November 26 2011 19:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 26 2011 19:07 sandroba wrote:
@wbg Your "logic" is extremelly faulty. You are arguing then that sinani can never be scum because he is bad? Do you think that lynching into the few vets we have in this game is optimal play for day 1? Isn't YM a simillar easy lynch by your own standards? Please. No, I am arguing that sinani will nearly always be an easy lynch. There's a significant difference. Our job as townies is to lynch scum, sinani will never be the optimal choice for lynch day 1 unless you have some way of divining his alignment or you are left in a situation in which no one else makes sense. Since the first is impossible and the second is ludicrous by the sheer number of players we have, we should not even be discussing a day 1 lynch of players like sinani. I think lynching the person who is most actively pushing scum agenda on day 1 is optimal play. It's bound to be a vet, since I really doubt a new player is going to jump in and be so incredibly pro-scum that we have no choice but to lynch him. Lastly, about YM: If YM has a history of being useless as town, if people very easily agree to lynching YM (and have done so in the past) with very minimal reasoning, and if YM becomes completely inactive with no clear behavioral indications of either alignment, then yeah, he probably is an easy lynch too. However, since none of those things are true, why are you trying to say YM is an easy lynch like sinani is?You're not even arguing that sinani isn't an easy lynch at this point. It's almost as if you've agreed with me. So you've been defending that lynch as a LaL and that it was good strategically while contradicting yourself here. Which one is it? I never saw you make a case after this post that any of these things had changed. Why was he not an easy lynch and then suddenly during the night he was an easy lynch? Also, I read your cases on Hier and others and at least to me they read as, "They don't agree with me therefore they must be scum so they need to be dead before night 3." Wait, how does what I said there contradictory to the YM lynch? I don't know how youngminii plays, this is the first game I've played with him. In the first post you argue with sandroba that YM isn't an easy lynch and then afterwards: On November 28 2011 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 28 2011 09:06 ey215 wrote:[B]On November 28 2011 08:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
You always lynch whoever you think is most likely to be scum. The players who have a history of being useless are more likely to be bored town than anything else. Except, why would anyone think youngmini was likely scum? Going through his posts all I can find is that he strongly opposed Palamar and then towards then end BC. His only crime was fighting against the tide of people voting for who we ended up with in power? I suppose if you buy the whole, "His scum play is better than his town play" thing as a lie, but I that sure read more as opinion than stating outright fact. Again, what did we gain by auto lynching youngmini? Any new information? Perhaps on Palamar and BC, but so far people (myself included) have been prone to letting a few people dictate the discussions. This has to stop now and we as newbies need to get in here and make some choices. Why are you defending this lynch so hard? Is it because you were a key catalyst to it? I'm defending it because I would support it again in a heartbeat. I just provided you with a list of quotes that support youngminii looking like scum. He played badly, obviously, but he played in a scum manner. Think about it. He lied and then tried to spin his own lie to say his target is using a strawman. That's misleading AND stupid. He seeded doubt among town with no supporting evidence. He barely contributed anything. He supported SINANI for mayor. I don't know very much about youngminii's play, but if Ace is right that he is a good player then, IMO, he played pretty badly in this game. the simple fact that youngminii was confirmed to lie is enough, since that's generally more than enough to lynch someone. LaL isn't a policy for nothing. My second choice was deconduo, who hopefully gets lynched tomorrow. At what point do I ever contradict myself on that? I never called YM an easy lynch. In fact, if we had a regular lynch vote yesterday instead of the mayoral campaign you probably would've seen that. There was a lot of vocal opposition to YM's lynch, a lot of which was obviously correct. From what I understand YM is not a player who is consistently useless and bad as town. Thus he would never be an easy lynch. On other other hand, inactives and players who generally contribute very little make very easy lynches because everyone tends to agree that they need to die. The second post you're contradicting yourself from the first. "You'd support that decision again in a heartbeat". Really? Any decision you'd support again in a heartbeat is by definition an easy decision.
Nope.
An easy decision is not the same thing as an easy lynch. An easy lynch is one that will gain ground very quickly among the town. It might be an easy decision for me to make whether a person is scum or not but the lynch isn't easy unless I'm playing with 63 clones of myself.
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Or playing with a Scum Buddy who won Mayor
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The problem in big games is that scum can kill many relatively big names at a time, giving them an easy win if the game lasts long.
Anyway, YAY CLUES (kinda)
I took notes as I read the post, so I figured I might as well post them to help town out. If there's anything I missed, let me know and I can update the list.
Key words/points in each death:
- Kitaman27
- Comrades
- Stabbed multiple times
- Red haze, fade to black
- BrownBear
- Cable ties and blindfold
- Razor
- LSB
- Trance
- Ink Blots
- Lesson learned
- Jackal58
- Syllogism
- Marathons and tracksuit
- Trenchcoat
- 2 bullets = stack?
- Radfield
- "Satisfaction of a reaction"
- Pout
- MrZentor, Tyrran, zJayy962
- WTF lol cars and explosions
Time to go look through profiles.
*sigh*
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On November 28 2011 13:58 Ace wrote:
Or playing with a Scum Buddy who won Mayor
Keep going, Ace.
I've already shown you why it's fallacious to suggest Palmar and I are scum together.
I've also shown why it's fallacious to suggest that anything in this game is provable, and thus fallacious to hold me to that standard when you know you yourself cannot hold up to it.
In fact, if I get lynched today (or if Palmar gets lynched and if he flips town) the rest of you will see how fallacious this argument really is. I don't anticipate that I will get lynched, though. Town would need to be pretty dumb in order to do that, and I still hold a modicum of hope for at least 90% of this town.
You have anything else to argue why I'm scum?
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You did? Show me again. Because what you posted before was hot garbage.
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OK GUYS STOP ARGUING YOU REALIZE THAT THERE ARE NOOBS WHO ARE SCARED TO POST BECAUSE OF THIS
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whoa the /b /i and /u tags were in the wrong place
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
Why would they?
The only noon willing to post is a lynch candidate
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 28 2011 14:01 sinani206 wrote:The problem in big games is that scum can kill many relatively big names at a time, giving them an easy win if the game lasts long. Anyway, YAY CLUES (kinda) I took notes as I read the post, so I figured I might as well post them to help town out. If there's anything I missed, let me know and I can update the list. Key words/points in each death: - Kitaman27
- Comrades
- Stabbed multiple times
- Red haze, fade to black
- BrownBear
- Cable ties and blindfold
- Razor
- LSB
- Trance
- Ink Blots
- Lesson learned
- Jackal58
- Syllogism
- Marathons and tracksuit
- Trenchcoat
- 2 bullets = stack?
- Radfield
- "Satisfaction of a reaction"
- Pout
- MrZentor, Tyrran, zJayy962
- WTF lol cars and explosions
Time to go look through profiles. *sigh*
I think where syllo was killed may have been a clue as well, it went out of the way to state that it was in the forest and someplace you never see another person.
After 10 or so profiles I've already decided I don't like clues.
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