EPTI'm gonna stick to my guns too, I'm voting wherebugsgo and I suggest everybody do the same. We lynched a guy I had a townie read on yesterday, I'm not going to repeat that mistake again today. I really thought you'd drop all this lynching-people-you-can't-really-read thing after jaybrundage flipped town but apparently not. hiro protagonist is town and wherebugsgo is scum and it's pretty frustrating that you can't see this. Also, this game is lost, nobody else wants to lynch wherebugsgo except maybe hiro protagonist and he's gone after today, sandroba wants to kill me and Meapak_Ziphh wants to kill sandroba.
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I'm gonna stick to my guns too, I'm voting wherebugsgo and I suggest everybody do the same. We lynched a guy I had a townie read on yesterday, I'm not going to repeat that mistake again today. I really thought you'd drop all this lynching-people-you-can't-really-read thing after jaybrundage flipped town but apparently not. hiro protagonist is town and wherebugsgo is scum and it's pretty frustrating that you can't see this. Also, this game is lost, nobody else wants to lynch wherebugsgo except maybe hiro protagonist and he's gone after today, sandroba wants to kill me and Meapak_Ziphh wants to kill sandroba. | ||
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I don't think Mr. Wiggles was bussed and I don't think he tried to bus anyone. This leaves wherebugsgo. This is a very simple premise with a very simple conclusion, yet you'd rather think "scum probably lynched each other on day1". I think this is very weird. On top of that, I have a much easier time thinking that hiro protagonist is town than that wherebugsgo is town. wherebugsgo did some questionable decision making day1 and I don't think he's done better since then. I don't know much about Mr. Wiggles, but judging from his scum play this game, he is not the greatest scum player ever. I am not the greatest town player ever but even I caught on to him. (sorry dude) I have played a few games with hiro protagonist and right now he strikes me as town. I don't think he would have the audacity to throw the 4th vote on his scum buddy on day1. His activity level and his reads so far have seemed to me like his usual town play. It is also worth mentioning that he just quit TL Mafia XVII because he had some urgency, so he's not just doing the scummy lurker thing right now. Man. I was really hoping that you'd drop the lynch-people-who-are-bad-townies-because-you-can't-get-a-good-read-on-them-thing after jaybrundage flipped town. I'm not going to vote for another townie again. | ||
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During day1 he pretty much shut down he hiro protagonist lynch while directing some attention over to Mr. Wiggles. This doesn't seem scummy to me at all, but at the same time, maybe it was clear that hiro protagonist wasn't going to get lynched and that Mr. Wiggles had said something scummy. These are posts from before sandroba's that are skeptical about lynching hiro protagonist while questioning Mr. Wiggles plan: About Mr. Wiggles About Mr. Wiggles About Mr. Wiggles About Mr. Wiggles About hiro protagonist 4 people had pointed out that Mr. Wiggles' first post was terrible. I don't know if it was clear that hiro protagonist wasn't going to get lynched, the guy did mostly only scummy stuff. If sandroba was scum it would have been very risky for him to say that hiro protagonist wasn't scum and that Mr. Wiggles should be the one we should focus on. He does leave the door open for lynching jaybrundage though. His vote was the 5th vote on Mr. Wiggles, meaning that he effectively sealed the deal. jaybrundage had said since the beginning of the game that no lynch was bad bad so he clearly wanted somebody dead. The alternative to Mr. Wiggles was hiro protagonist who had two votes. sandroba's next big post came 30 mins before the deadline. At this point jaybrundage had already voted for Mr. Wiggles and Mr. Wiggles was effectively dead. Pretty much I think sandroba has a habit this game of getting somebody lynched, and then pushing for them after that. He's seemed kinda lazy all game, maybe he just doesn't want to lynch anybody without an analysis but it's always late because he's being lazy. What bothers me about sandroba in general is that he has now pushed for two green townies. He claims to have problems with inexperienced players and he wants to tie Mr. Wiggles to a person with no town pull. In Team Melee Mafia the guy cast two votes on day1, nailing both scum. What I'm trying to say is that he's usually a beast, but this game he's just been lynching into not-so-great players because he has this idea that Mr. Wiggles was paired with a guy with no influence, and because he can't read not-so-great players for shit. After rereading again, I'm still thinking town though. Yea that was just some thoughts on this game so far. I'm gonna write more later. I'm very dissatisfied that we didn't kill wherebugsgo instead of the two greenies but I just don't think that sandroba is scum. Un an unrelated note I noticed that Palmar was 1st vote on Mr. Wiggles, he was 1st shot. Erandorr was 2nd vote on Mr. Wiggles, he was 2nd shot. This doesn't bode well for me, even though I think maybe they were also shot because of their skills  | ||
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Right so before Mr. Wiggles died he made this post about some Palmar, me, and more importantly, Meapak_Ziphh. I am saying "scum does not want scum to die on day, so Mr. Wiggles wouldn't push for another scum when he's on the chopping block, because this would mean that scum would die". People are saying "lol haven't u herd about distancing?". I understand the concept but this is not what Mr. Wiggles was doing, he was actually trying to get Meapak_Ziphh. If you don't trust me, then trust Palmar who said it looked like a genuine push in the next post. Now you can say "but this is still all just distancing." but if they had already decided that the lynch was going to be between them, that one of them would have to die, then why the hell didn't Meapak_Ziphh just move his vote over to Mr. Wiggles? If, at this point in the game, they had already decided to distance themselves from each other then why the hell didn't Meapak_Ziphh distance himself from Mr. Wiggles? Meapak_Ziphh's play this game hasn't been totally impressive, but it is very hard to do something impressive in a game this small. He voted hiro protagonist because hiro protagonist was way scummier. I totally agree with him on this actually, the amount of scummyness that hiro protagonist had displayed at this point was way bigger than what Mr. Wiggles had done, but in the light of what you should expect from those players Mr. Wiggles was still the scummier. I don't expect Meapak_Ziphh to know this I don't think he's ever thought very hard about hiro protagonist before. He also very subtly and offhandedly points out very important points throughout the game, but not for the purpose of bringing them up later as a defense or anything. I think this is very townie of him. I had more but ... On wherebugsgo Oh shit it's almost deadline. Well he's scum and I have some points but I can't post them lol. I'll post if I'm still alive in 5 mins. Not only is wherebugsgo the last scum, he's also the role blocker. If there is a role cop and he didn't claim then the guy is a moron, and nobody here is a moron so we can rule that out. This makes this a 2of3 setup. If there is a jailer out there and he didn't claim yet, that's is slightly more understandable, but it is still useless and I think it's very unlikely. This makes this a 2of2 setup. I'd say that there is a 98% chance that town has a doc left and no other blues. wherebugsgo probably knew this way before I even said anything. I think he has a good chance of pulling off a shot tonight though it all comes down to WIFOM. I think he's been enjoying this game so far, keeping me alive knowing that he's scum but not being able to do anything about it like a modern day Cassandra. If I'm not alive tomorrow, which is very likely as nobody would protect me but WIFOM, please please don't make the lynch between you two Meapak_Ziphh and sandroba. Lynch wherebugsgo. | ||
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##Vote wherebugsgo And I'm gonna finish my post. | ||
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On wherebugsgo Mr. Wiggles only touches on him once and that is right here: On November 16 2011 10:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [...] Wherebugsgo: This is interesting, because he comes in rather later than everyone else and puts effort into attacking my post after most people had left it. It's a case of people jumping on a bad post and repeating what had already been said, because bashing something bad is easy and gets you brownie-points from town. It was mostly left alone until he brought it up again, so I'm curious as to why he did so. He didn't contribute anything that hadn't been said already, so what's the motivation? I mostly see bad players and scum do this, and I don't consider WBG to be a bad player. [...] This is distancing is anything is distancing. It is subtle, it doesn't make sense and he feels the need to point out how "This is interesting". He also talks about other players but he stays more analytic when talking about them. In this post he has a hard time coming up with anything on wherebugsgo, so he feels like he has to point out that what he's saying here is actually interesting then he says that he is scummy, but why does he think he's scummy? Because he pointed out that Mr. Wiggles was scummy, which he was. This isn't scummy at all, what Mr. Wiggles does here is very subtle distancing. While his entire post seemed fake, this seemed more fake than the rest of it in my eyes. On November 18 2011 20:10 sandroba wrote: WBG I think is town because he didn't attack my credibility even though he could have easily done so and get away with it since I've posted very little in the first 24 hours. This is insanity. You are saying that "wbg is town because he didn't do this scummy thing that he would always do" this is WIFOM. I know you think that wherebugsgo would have tried to lynch Meapak_Ziphh over Mr. Wiggles but I think he was very much afraid this would have tied them too hard together. I think wherebugsgo has also changed his style considerably from day1 to the next days, we all have but wherebugsgo in a different way. wherebugsgo's town is usually somewhat aggressive but most of all it is KICKASS. Look at day1, he made a huge post laying everything down and voting hiro protagonist. Look at him since then, he's just bandwagon'd sandroba. He doesn't really do any active scum hunting or analysis which really doesn't strike me as him. I'd suspect even him of altering his behavior when being 1v7. Also, wherebugsgo felt the need to soft claim blue role in first post so he could claim blue in order to muddy up the thread later. His claim right now means absolutely nothing, because the guy knows that there aren't any jailers in this game. He knows that this is a 2of2 setup as I cleared up in my post just before deadline. This jailer claim means absolutely nothing now he is only doing it to fuck everything up, and he knows this. ANY jailer with a brain (and I consider wherebugsgo to be pretty smart) would have claimed earlier, a claim right now makes absolutely no sense unless there was still some uncertainty about the setup, which there very much isn't. If a jailer didn't claim before now he would be an idiot. There are no idiots in this game. wherebugsgo therefor knows that there are no jailers. wherebugsgo claims jailer. wherebugsgo is not an idiot. wherebugsgo is a liar. wherebugsgo is a scum. THE LOGIC IS GOD DAMN IRREFUTABLE. We're going to god damn lynch wherebugsgo today. I'm sure sandroba and Meapak_Ziphh is going to fuck this up somehow but god dammit, please don't. On a no lynch today, we either lynch wherebugsgo or there's not going to be a lynch. wherebugsgo is going for Meapak_Ziphh and sandroba, he can't get either one of those lynched without my help (horay extended majority) and I'm not helping scum lynch another townie. | ||
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Also, I just wrote a bunch of stuff it would be sweet if any of you guys have time to comment on it. Thank you. | ||
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Build a bigger case on sandroba than that two liner. | ||
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I'm doctor. What do you people think about that? I'm especially interested in sandroba's thoughts. I still think that wherebugsgo is scum by the way. I am not lynching a guy I think is townie after two nights of lynching people that other people thought were scum but I thought were townies. | ||
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I am not the jailer, or I would have jailed him ages ago and exposed him. If not, then he could have role blocked jailer-me and then hit someone and I'd most likely take my suspicion off him. I never did that. If any of sandroba/deconduo is role blocker, they would have to counter claim him, but that okay because he's already casting a lot of suspicion on them and neither of them breadcrumbed anything. A cop claim would be lunacy. Then you might as well just not claim. I only claimed because sandroba took wherebugsgo's claim for face value because there were no other blues, otherwise I would not have claimed because: when you claim on last day it all comes down to how believable your claim is along with how much people think you're town. If people don't think you're town, then all it does is spread confusion. If wherebugsgo hit sandroba last night he would have to role claim jailer. If the hit was saved by a doc then he wouldn't know it, but he could have been jailed. Not by me but by one of you and sandroba. In a situation where there is no hit, the first guy who claims jailer will always have the upper hand over the guy who counter claims I'd think. Otherwise either you or sandroba would claim jailer and throw more suspicion on to wherebugsgo, while he would just sit there and counter claim later with a ton or breadcrumbs leading to the question "why didn't you claim straight after the no hit?". @wherebugsgo You said you breadcrumbed your jails, where exactly did you do that? Some quotes or something, I couldn't find it in the big breadcrumb post. Not that I don't believe you 'cause scum wherebugsgo wouldn't claim to have done such a thing and then not have done it and neither would town wherebugsgo. @deconduo How do you feel about how hard sandroba shut down hiro protagonist as lynch candidate for day1? He really stuck his neck out there, there wasn't too much analysis it was just "I looks more like he just accidentally". That was really ballsy, and that was at a point where attention was slowly shifting towards Mr. Wiggles. Why the hell would a scum sandroba do this? He could have pushed hiro protagonist harder and he has a lot of town sway, that could very likely have ended in a hiro protagonist lynch on day1, and a hiro protagonist lynch that no one could blame anybody for because the dude didn't really bring his a-game. Your point that sandroba voted Mr. Wiggles because wherebugsgo or Meapak_Ziphh would have voted hiro protagonist just to avoid a null lynch is stupid. It is insane. They both voted hiro protagonist, so if he had achieved majority (Meapak_Ziphh, wherebugsgo, jaybrundage, sandroba, Mr. Wiggles), and they all thought that hiro protagonist was more scummy, and then they suddenly changed to Mr. Wiggles? That would make no sense, a townie would never do that, and a scum would never change his vote to push his buddy into the gallows in place of a very scummy townie. ALSO I NEVER AGREED TO THE SHORTENING OF ANYTHING INCLUDING DAYS PLEASE | ||
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wherebugsgo also never shies away from pointing out how his scum play this game does not fit his meta. It's like pulling yourself up by your hair "I am not scum because I am not acting like I would act when I am scum!". sandroba wants to let scum wherebugsgo win because he breacrumbed a role claim and because sandroba lead the town into two stupid mislynches. Derp. | ||
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wherebugsgo, my response is in the paragraph above. It's latin letters. Something tells me that you're scum and I just can't shake it. In the end, I'd much rather think that you're a great scum than that you're a weird not-too-great jailer-townie. Sorry about that. ##Unvote ##Vote sandroba We can end day whenever. | ||
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I just don't get it. sandroba is 100% town in my book. Meapak_Ziphh/deconduo is 10% scum and wherebugsgo is 90% scum. We're talking certainty, not quantity, because then wherebugsgo would be 100%. Man. | ||
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wherebugsgo, how would you like switching to deconduo instead of sandroba? | ||
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