I think no matter what alignment it's already established that he is not the greatest mafia player. However, despite inexperience, I can only explain his actions so far if he is scum. Even in the very begining of the game I got that impression when he threw in the wbg vote and after that it only got worse. If being scum somehow makes you better at mafia in your first game than maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think it's the case.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 13:13 GMT

#344

And actually I don't think he is "that" bad, that's why I think he is scum and using the clueless card.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 14:59 GMT

#355

On November 19 2011 23:23 Erandorr wrote:

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You are missing my point. Your general play will be shit in your first game, but that first vote may have been him being completely clueless and not scum. If you have not played before and see 2 people voting for someone in the first 5 posts or something, don't you think that its possible that he thought that is how we play this game? As Scum, wouldn't you be more likely to shut up and do nothing, instead of pushing somone you know is town?

You are talking about the "clueless card" and you think he is not "that " bad but if he is not , why would he point something out to you that makes you even more certain that he is scum?

I don't know how you are jumping to that conclusion. Each person functions differently. Maybe you are knew and see 2 players you know are town voting for some random dude and figures "well maybe I should that too".
And he also doesn't know how my head works so your argument that he wouldn't post that as it would lead me to believe he was scum makes no sense. Like wiggles is a good player and I'm sure he didn't intend to get caught in his posts, but still we figured him out. How does his play so far makes him town as oposed to scum? I really took a look at several other players, but I simply cannot flat out call someone else scum without ignoring some townie behaviour from his posts. Jay just seems like the best option by far to me. Who would you say is a better lynch?

sandroba

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November 19 2011 15:10 GMT

#357

@jaybrundage Can you please explain your thought process on those town reads of yours?

sandroba

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November 19 2011 15:14 GMT

#359

Also no one besides me flat out said I'm town, who do you say you are trusting and take their word for it?

sandroba

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November 19 2011 15:39 GMT

#364

Well, as I already posted it kinda makes sense if hiro is scum, given wiggles' behaviour, but his own behaviour day1 lead me to think he is town. I would like to see his opinion on the lynch aswel.
Your logic (except for meapak, because he didn't go balls deep for hiro and we have no confirmation about his alignment) seems fine, but the thing that puzzles me is that if you went out of your way to make these conections beforehand you should have come to the conclusion I was town on your own. It feels like an after thought to me =/.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 15:45 GMT

#366

Hmm yeah that's some interesting stuff there. I'll take a look at the rest of his filter.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 15:45 GMT

#367

Yeah you posted while I was typing.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 16:07 GMT

#369

The thing that bothers me about lynching hiro is that they were both on the chopping block yesterday and they made no real effort to get the lynch moved elsewhere. Like wiggles had no thread presence while the pressure was on hiro and it seemed like he might have ended up being lynched. Wiggles only really makes an appearance when he gets called out. Occam's razor says that one of the main lynch targets ytd ought to be town, but then again it has failed me before (merc mini mafia).

sandroba

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November 19 2011 16:10 GMT

#370

We could also no lynch twice and still have 2 chances on hitting scum. That could be a good strategy if our blue(s) use their heads.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 16:21 GMT

#372

Hmm actually no lynching might be a good option, as both cop and jailer (if you protect someone and still mafia gets their kill off means that player is inocent, so you need to protect a dif person each night to confirm as many as possible) can confirm players. With also the possibility of medic/jailer mafia can't exactly choose who to kill and they are behind, so that means they are going to have to shoot shady players if they want sure kills, which is a plus for town as it narrows down our suspects.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 16:45 GMT

#374

Why don't you like the no-lynch idea, give me reasons. You don't seem sure wbg is scum and the exact same logic you used to vote wbg could be used to vote mz or jay.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 16:59 GMT

#375

As the great artosis said, when you are ahead, get more ahead. There is only 1/6 chance that we have no roles capable of confirming players and even if we only have a medic, he can get a protect and confirm himself + another player. That means disaster for scum so if they risk shooting one of the players everybody else thinks is town they risk losing outright. The only way scum can actually come back is if we keep mislynching people. While we have 1-2 blues alive, prolonging the game only gives us more info. If we had a clear cut lynch today, great, but nobody seems to be on the same page and risking a mislynching on low odds seems like throwing away our lead.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 17:28 GMT

#377

On November 16 2011 09:02 wherebugsgo wrote:

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Mr. Wiggles, I don't believe I've ever seen you play town. Nonetheless, your first post is moronic. You're obviously not new, and I assume you have a functioning cerebral cortex. Thus, I think you should stop distracting town with a brainless question and an equally brainless answer to your own question. Next time, ask people what their favorite color is, because I'm sure that'll be more relevant to finding scum than what you posted.

This interaction with mr.wiggles seems very legit.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 17:31 GMT

#378

Also note this was on his first post, when no one else was really looking into mr.wiggles. He doesn't actually flat out calls wiggles scum but that does draw a lot of attention onto him.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 17:37 GMT

#379

Scum can't really afford to hold of shooting we have 50% chance of having cop. They exchange a kill for 1/6 chance of getting lucky and "confirmed" by the medic. They also have to be in the "likely town" player pool in the first place, to this having any resemblance of chance of working out in their favor. Still the odds are stacked towards town.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 17:55 GMT

#383

That link you gave doesn't point to wbg saying any of that stuff.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 18:01 GMT

#385

Go filter wbg when the wiggles discussion was going on. He says he is fine with wiggles lynch while saying other players (errandor, meapak) are probably town. As scum why would he do such a thing? If you are planing to cast suspicion on your partner and bus why you limit your lynch options for later. Doesn't make sense for wbg to dissagree with palmar on errandor and with me on mz if he was scum with wiggles.

sandroba

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November 19 2011 18:48 GMT

#387

Well I just don't feel confortable lynching anyone else besides jay today. If the rest doesn't want to lynch him I'd much rather no lynch than lynching anyone else.

sandroba

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November 21 2011 08:38 GMT

#455

The reason I didn't get shot is prob because we have 5/6 chance of having a protection role and scum can't afford to shoot me. Seeing that there was no cop claim till now that makes it 99% likely we have a protection role and if scum shot me they would confirm 2 town and auto lose. So yeah. I think you or hiro is the last scum, but I'm still trying to decide which one.

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