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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 23 2011 17:50 GMT
#9
/in
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 29 2011 05:26 GMT
#130
/confirm
Wooah, okey lets lynch scummies
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 30 2011 13:48 GMT
#174
Avenge the ponies!! and GM :|

Okey. Gentlemen, I know what we're dealing with and it's a creature of pure evil. However my #1 got noobed in his face by rampaging xeno basterds so I were out of suspects. Unless...

...Gentlemen, who do we know that obviously hate mafia and ponies sunshine and top of it won't give us handsome lads a sidebar. That's right. Hotbid.

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Hotbid must have gotten wind of tlmafia recruiting, knowing he can't exert his evil powers without risking the attention of the others he dared not make an appearence himself. Instead he used his wicked influence and stunning looks to corrupt three promising young initiates. Hotbids scheme must be stopped and his mislead rookies caught. No matter the cost.

...the future of TL Mafia depends on it.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 30 2011 13:51 GMT
#175
On October 30 2011 20:12 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and just a hint since this is a beginners game:
If you are a dt or medic don't just hide or something. First of all, that really gives you away for mafia and secondly we might end up killing our very own dt or medic because we went for a lurker who turned out to be a blue playing "let's not get any attention or I'm going to get killed by mafia".
Unless your coach told you otherwise. In that case just tell him he sucks.
Your awesome special powers are not going to safe the day if noones talking at all.

To sum it up: post bitches

You seem awefully keen to make our dt and medic reveal themselves.
Are you in bed with Hotbid?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 30 2011 15:47 GMT
#184
On October 30 2011 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 22:51 risk.nuke wrote:
On October 30 2011 20:12 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and just a hint since this is a beginners game:
If you are a dt or medic don't just hide or something. First of all, that really gives you away for mafia and secondly we might end up killing our very own dt or medic because we went for a lurker who turned out to be a blue playing "let's not get any attention or I'm going to get killed by mafia".
Unless your coach told you otherwise. In that case just tell him he sucks.
Your awesome special powers are not going to safe the day if noones talking at all.

To sum it up: post bitches

You seem awefully keen to make our dt and medic reveal themselves.
Are you in bed with Hotbid?


nah, I'm kinda paranoid since last game where out of 12 people about 7 got modkilled because they didn't post enough

I see, but that is unrelated hence your paranoia defense isn't very convincing.. You were just hinting dts and medics to reveal themselves. That is scummy.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 30 2011 16:27 GMT
#194
On October 31 2011 01:22 IMABUNNEH wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what "posting for the sake of posting" is defined at, but its not like there was anything MUCH to poke at prior to my posts.

Either toads or risk.nuke definately look a bit dodgy. Both of the posts struck me as quite aggressive in turning it into finger pointing. I don't think getting all up in peoples' grills immediately is what we want. It's just going to get innocent people on the defensive from the start.

Drem has so far poked at someone randomly as a "joke" and then at myself for not getting immediately aggressive. Who's next, risk.nuke for BEING aggressive? :p I don't think finger pointing every 6 posts at a different person is going to help us.

I doubt someone with almost no activity at this point is likely to be scum though. So even though Skrammen hasn't said anything,I'd rule him out for the time being and look at the "half-active" posters. risk.nuke and hacklebeast are both pretty aggressive in getting people to turn on someone so early.


Getting in peoples faces is precisly what we want. How else do you expect to catch scum?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 30 2011 16:42 GMT
#195
On October 31 2011 01:24 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I don't see how toad telling people to be active even if they are blues is suspicious, it isn't like he said "dt's and medics should role-claim in the thread" or anything. He, like most of us, is simply trying to encourage activity from everyone. It also helps make it clear that you must contribute to scum-hunting as a blue if you don't want to be mistaken for scum yourself.

And just to call someone out a bit, I believe Skrammen has actually said the least of anyone so far, with a total contribution of:
Show nested quote +
Good morning gentlemen!

Even if that was what you thought, why were you so quick to tell everyone what you thought toad ment. He wasn't about to get lynched.. If that's what he thought when he wrote it he wouldn't had have any problems telling us that himself, if he's scum he might had given a scumslip.

FOS
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 31 2011 19:13 GMT
#267
Apologies, I have been hardlurking all day, not by intent I didn't find time to read and analyse untill now.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 31 2011 19:30 GMT
#269
Everyone respond to everything somebody throws against you. Even small stuff. I know it can be done to get by for a while ignoring minor suspicions because "oh look, they dropped me" or "it doesn't seem important". However for everything you do respond to it gives town more information.
There are a few more hours left so if you can ditch in a few last efforts.

On November 01 2011 02:03 Toadesstern wrote:
I still don't like what risk is doing here: nothing. If he's not going to make a vote and is going to get modkilled that's fine with me (not really but I can't do a thing about it), however if he showes up sometimes soon and does NOT get modkilled I want a pretty damn good explanation for what he's doing.
Scrammen seems to be a bit strange while I did not think about Drem until now, will take another read.


Toad, your play is inconsistant and all over the place. I can't tell if you're scum or just new. It's as if you're going for a town powerposition but you don't really know how to achieve it. I really don't like you're jumping on skrammen rather then defending yourself.
##Vote Toadesstern
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 31 2011 21:29 GMT
#282
The reason I don't like the Skramen lynch is because nobody have tried to help him. Thats a pretty good indicator you're lynching a townie unless scum is throwing him under the bus.

Remember scum likes to get onboard an easy wagon.
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Now, I am going to tell you how the Skrammen case started. Due to the massive amounts of texts and quotes in quotes I write in green and Ciryandor is underlined.

On October 31 2011 20:36 Chocolate wrote:
Skrammen has contributed very little so far so until he talks more I will vote for him.
##vote Skrammen

This is not true, Skrammen haven't talked any less then several other people.

On November 01 2011 01:33 Ciryandor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:55 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 01 2011 00:53 Toadesstern wrote:
sadly noone made a statement about my vote ;(
I actually did not want to vote for chocolate but I'd have loved to see reactions from people who I think are suspicious about my vote :/
first of all

Unvote## Chocolate

What do you people think about hyshes and risk? Risk is the one I'd like to see make a couple posts since he basicly said nothing and I don't know anything about him. While hyshes... I don't know, could be anything :p


that first sentence just made no sense, fixed it and hopefully it's clear what my intention was.

It's the time of day for most people. I'm about to sleep, so I'll miss around 8 hours of discussion, but I feel that Skrammen has been able to coast by the most, and next to that would be Drem903.

Putting pressure on him and explaining my vote to follow:

## Vote Skrammen

Skrammen's first game post is a greeting, nothing wrong there, but it's fluff to make sure he doesn't get modkilled.


Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:40 Skrammen wrote:
On October 30 2011 14:42 Zanfada wrote:
Day 1 it is very important not to let the mafia lurk and hide in the background. So we have to preasure them and force everyone to interact. If you look at the last mini mafia town lost because of inactivity. So we can't have anyone be inactive.


I guess to get things start hacklebeast hasn't posted anything yet. so until he speaks up or a better target comes along

##Vote hacklebeast


4 hours into the game and you go on and try to stir some discussion up? He wasnt the only one who had said nothing up to that point, why did you choose him? It seems a little bit... Dodgy to use a vote to pressure someone into talking more so soon I think.

And just a head's up: Since we have people from both sides of the pond in this game there is bound to be somewhat of a delay in answers and people might be working or sleeping when some discussions takes place. We should be somewhat tolerant of this, but obviously 24 hours of no posting is not good.


Now here he looks at Zanfada's early pressure and thinks it's scummy to randomly highlight someone, when it's actually good town play to be non-discriminating; then proceeds to state the obvious that certain conversation delays are going to happen simply because of timezones.

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On October 31 2011 23:10 Skrammen wrote:
On October 31 2011 07:20 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
In the interest of getting some other possible discussions going...

Skrammen has now doubled his post count, using his first to say good morning and his second accuses someone for trying to stir up discussion with a vote "so soon", as well as a preemptive excuse for not being active:
And just a head's up: Since we have people from both sides of the pond in this game there is bound to be somewhat of a delay in answers and people might be working or sleeping when some discussions takes place. We should be somewhat tolerant of this, but obviously 24 hours of no posting is not good.

The only people that benefit from a delayed discussion is obviously the mafia, they'd rather it never happen. Also, while his statement is true, I think it was fairly obvious to most people, and scum always like to have an excuse to fall back on.

So FOS on Skrammen for now.


Ah. Well, you see I was only trying to clarify some things so they are clear. I did not however, encourage it.

+ Show Spoiler +
The only people that benefit from a delayed discussion is obviously the mafia, they'd rather it never happen. Also, while his statement is true, I think it was fairly obvious to most people, and scum always like to have an excuse to fall back on.


I think we both might be talking without saying anything now; both of these things are quite obvious, yet we both had to say it. What I said was just that; A head's up just in case people did not know. Honestly I think this is pretty bad grounds for accusations. I still maintain that a vote 4 hours into the game is pretty suspicious, but not enough to be convinced he is red.

+ Show Spoiler +
I can take my vote back at any time. The vote was just there to promote talking which it did just that.

What was alot more interesting was Toad's post and how it was received. I personally think blues should post and help the town or they stand out to mafia and playing safe and become much better targets. Also mafia rarely mention blues for the simple fact that it makes them look more like mafia hunting for blues with any mention of blues. The same goes for blues themselves, they want to hide with town and do their job. I think Toad was just trying to prevent what happened last game to happen this game. However his post doesn't say anything more then "post guys" which doesn't further along any conversation it just increase his post count which in my opinion is all mafia try to do for the first day.
On October 30 2011 22:54 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +


Unnecessarily trying to start a town panic? Baseless accusing people that, under your own admission, have no evidence against? Sounds like very mafia things to do. I'm not going to go so far as to cast my vote yet, but I'm watching you.

Besides, I could never have committed the crime. Gmarshal I could take or leave, but killing ponies? I don't have it in me to take out something this lovable.



I wasn't starting a town panic, though it seems to have caused you to panic a little. Your response to my vote seems to be an emotional plea involving ponies and a FOS but little more then that. It seems as if you are trying to not draw any sort of attention to yourself even after a vote has already been placed on you. Normally I would take this as a scum tell but it seems more like a newbie tell then a mafia at this point.

Then there is Ciryandor, he defended me and my baseless attack on someone. The only time I usually am defended is when scum are trying to buddy up with me. Or since he has played a few games he is just trying to let newbies know what I was doing. Still FOS for now.


This is his answer to why he did it, and to be honest, it worked, he got stuff going which is good. I will be keeping an eye out, but at this point his reasoning seems good enough for me. As you said earlier, delaying discussion is indicative of scummy behaviour, or perhaps it might not be? An elaborate ruse?


Here in this post he's very much guilty of pointing out something that works towards the scum-team's advantage, and that is to have fluff conversations regarding people who merit suspicion, but not applying enough pressure for him to actually do a vote.

Three posts, two on a very weak FoS, just enough to evade proper scrutiny. I think this is worth my vote.

Alot of text but contentwise it's an exaggeration to call this case weak.
On November 01 2011 02:29 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I'm going with skrammen as well, we need to get a lynch and although I would have liked to get someone else I think going after him is fine, too.
##vote Skrammen

Just to get this clear since at least I did not know last game: It's not a simple majority vote, we need 7 people to vote on someone or it's a no-lynch.
Having 4 votes on someone and 8 votes spread out is not going to get the guy with 4 votes lynched.

Bandwagon is forming up, and still there is nothing solid on Skrammen, and what the hell is the part where he admits he'd rather want to go for someone else but will settle for this guy whom we have nothing on. Why would a townie want to lynch a random person when the chances of catching a scum is 3/12. Lynching a town gives the dt less rounds to find scum.

On November 01 2011 04:01 xsksc wrote:
##vote Skrammen

I'm still suspicious of zanfada, I want to see him reply soon. I could well change my vote to him, depends on his next post.

Again, no arguments to why we should lynch this guy
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This case is a clear bandwagon based on little/nothing. Alot of people here are new which makes an unquestioned bandwagon all the more dangerous. Don't jump on something you don't feel strongly about yourself, otherwise we will be no match for the scum.

But most interestingly, I feel the need to emphasize this again. Nobody is taking his side.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 31 2011 22:49 GMT
#285
Toad. My point is you say you think he is scum 33-45 percent while at the same time avoiding providing any arguments as to why. Even in your response you fail to do so but instead tried to defuse it into a scenario where we are just OMGUS-ing eachother. You're making it sound as if I were your suspect all along but it's actually only since I voted for you.

If he had thought I were scum he would had written what he had on me in the thread because thats what townies do. This is a scumslip. Look at this, I am now his main suspect for busting a bandwagon against someone he claimed to be 33-45% sure of.

Note this: Hypotheticly If I were scum and Skrammen is town, would I halt the lynch? Ofcourse not. So logicly I could only be scum if Skrammen is scum, and thats disregarding the possibilty that I am town and wrong about him beeing town. And yet I am his top suspect. That does not add upp.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 01 2011 00:25 GMT
#291
Why the wagon is on skrammen and on nobody else is because Ciryandor voted for him. Ciryandor have been trying to take a leading role and taking charge of town.

Ciry have been tring to establish himself as one of the better players. And his been pretty pro-town. That's why this post is so suspicious because it's shit in and Ciry should know this.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 01 2011 00:26 GMT
#292
shit in
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 01 2011 00:32 GMT
#293
But jesus christ I'm even off tracking myself, Why are you still blind and talking about Skrammen. Toadesstern have accidently done several scumslips, wake up!
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 01 2011 14:32 GMT
#309
Get active people, talk! I've been gone for over 12 hours and nobody have written anything.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 01 2011 18:15 GMT
#320
Everybody knows what I think by now. This is what I would like you to post.

Do you think Toadesstern is scum. Why?

Do you think Skrammen is scum. Why?

Feel free to bring up other people aswell. we need to get some people discussions going.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 01 2011 21:41 GMT
#331
Toad I would like you to tell me how I became more supicious then Skrammen.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 02 2011 00:04 GMT
#338
I'm 100% sure Toad is scum.

So to defend myself from your lines of nonsense, the wall of text where it's hard to even know who said what.

You don't like the way I post? Starting the game of with some humor, so people wont get bored and hence less active. How is that anti-town play.

The second one is just a small pressure post aswell as the followup. Nothing more. The fact that you question everything I do while other people are doing the same thing just sugest you have targeted me instead of targeting scummy behavior and that is not town play. Narrowing one person down and claiming everything he does is scummy by angle it or WIFOM is not town play, especially since you're only targeting me because I am the one trying to expose you.

Then you're questioning my activity, trying to make a case of as if it mattered why I couldn't be at a computer long enough to analyze and write. What exacly did I have thrown against me? I am looking through the thread right now and the only thing I find is things you have said which is just omgus. You're just playing on the fact that there are so many people who doesn't go back and read but just swallows what you angle to be true.


Townie priority list.

1. Establish your innocence.
2. Support the right townies.
3. Vote properly.
4. Shut down any attempts to lynch other obvious townies.
5. Shut down attempts to spread doubt or chaos in the thread.

There is no reason for a townie ever to angle anything, that is not their job because it doesn't help them to find scum, only scum ever tries to angle things.

Ofcourse if I call out that nobody is supporting the one beeing lynched then I become his suporter, I waited as long as I dared to do it because I wanted to see if anyone else would and still have time to avert the lynch.

In the second last of my quotes it's really interesting to see which part Toad choose to answer. Ignoring what was clearly the point of that post. I'll come back to this in a second.

I am telling you to explain, the only evidence you have presented on Skrammen is he is scum because I am defending him. You're responses are pretty much You are scum, I have explained YOU ARE SCUM!! What I want is something concrete, like this.

Toad is scum because he is inconsistent to what he says, changes his mind, angle things and when asked for reasoning why he thinks in a certain way he is having a hard time answering something that should be as simple as saying the truth.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 02 2011 00:15 GMT
#339
Oh forgot the thing I would come back too, soo to avoid giving toad a chanse to confuse you with it. The point of that post was I wanted to know Toads train of thoughts how I became more suspicious then Skrammen because that is illogical and a lie.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 02 2011 01:11 GMT
#341
Standard rules doesn't neccersarily apply here since this is a beginners game and mafia knows it and could try to take advantage of it. (How much coaching a player gets in this game is going to be based on the players interest to get coached so you can trust that mafia will be asking for plenty of coaching) Therefor mafia could vey well be trying to assert themselves as central town players abusing the fact that the majority is inexperienced. Remember the coaches are for everyone and don't hesitate to ask them anything, worst case scenario they will just tell you they are not allowed to answer that.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
November 02 2011 02:16 GMT
#345
good luck town.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
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