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IMABUNNEH
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IMABUNNEH
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But is SKrammen REALLY that obvious? We originally thought that risk.nuke kill was potentially scum trying to shift attention away from him, since it implicated anyone except for him. I'm going to go with the obvious here. SKrammen absolutely has to be scum. I don't know if anyone doesn't have him on their scum list anymore either. So an early vote to make my intentions known: ##vote SKrammen Sorry to Toad for suspecting you for so long  It seems that as soon as a couple more of us came round to believing you were town, you got punished for it. That makes me think the scum are the low-middle activity people for certain. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
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You've been suspicious since Day 1, and your posting pattern reinforces the want to vote you. You were quiet on Day 1, stepping out late to defend yourself and barely not getting lynched, but you left it pretty late to do so. Over the next day or so you were pretty quiet, lying low and staying unassuming until the hyshes bandwagon formed, which you jumped on pretty late. Your posts have said very little in the way of content, and you haven't particularly attempted to pressure anyone. You said if hyshes flips green you'll be having a good hard look at Drem, but your post about him didn't REALLY say much. Also your posts seem to express the most suspicion of Drem, and yet you haven't committed to a vote or pressure on him since then. Also this quote: Regarding the Me vs. Toadsstern thing, at this point two options seem to be possible: 1. One of us is scum. This seems to be the general consensus, and we've been in each others throat for most of this game. But if toad was green then the mafia should have used this, because if Toad gets killed by mafia, I would have been lynched already. But if we consider Toad to be a mafia, the scum will not touch me, because if I die it gives you pretty good information on him. 2. Neither of us are scum. I'm not quite sure about this, but I've mentioned this previously. I think this is the least likely of the two. You offered the fact that if Toad gets killed by mafia, you would be lynched. You also quite rightfully (in my opinion) let us know that the most likely option is one of the 2 of you are scum. Well now we know which one isn't, it's a fairly simple deduction as to who is. If I were to make a list of people who I think are town and who I think are scum, it would look exactly like the one I did do earlier. + Show Spoiler + On November 07 2011 22:33 IMABUNNEH wrote: Right having taken the time to reread everything, I can say one thing - I think I was wrong on the Skrammen/Toad thing. Not wrong as such, but wrong to remain so stubbornly fixated on Toad from day 1. Having taken a stepback and read everything through again, I'm going to step out and say who I think is what. Town Harbinger Ciry Toad This isn't an uncommon feeling at this point I guess, though my decision on Toad might look odd to people, so I'll explain that briefly. Despite receiving varying amounts of pressure on every single day, he hasn't been afraid to continue to stand up and make himself heard. What's convinced me the most though isn't that he's attached himself to the other 2, but that they all 3 sort of slowly came together on opinions over the last couple of days. Now either it's a FANTASTIC mafia ploy and they are the 3 scum, but I find that so unlikely at this point. Scum Skrammen Drem While re-reading I read enough from Toad to convince me he probably wasn't scum, doing so had the opposite effect on SKrammen. He hasn't made any attempt to redeem himself in order to avoid a lynching. He hasn't tried to pressure others, which sounds like he doesn't NEED information because he already knows it. Drem is scummy to me after a reread. He's inconsistant, and his posts lack the attack of most people, which leads me to believe something similar, he's not interested in hearing a defense. [purple]Unknown[/purple] Zanfa xksxksd These are 2 I simply can't place. I don't think either has posted enough to get a particularly good read from, and through my guessing above, one of the 2 has to be scum. In my opinion Zanfa has come off as more scummy to me. He's quietly slipping onto the bandwagons, and reading his posts it almost seems like he's trying to avoid creating any kind of waves that might cause people to focus on him. xkskckxk has been more committed when he has tried to apply pressure, and seems to me just like a bit of a newbie who didn't want to go out on a limb early on, as his posts have increased recently, whereas Zanfa's seem to just stagnate. That's what I think at the moment. Who gets shot tonight is probably going to play the biggest role, as Toad said. That alone might give us the information we need. Nothing done since that post has shown me that there's any variation to that. My suspicions that Toad is actually green were made known along with that of one or 2 others (I think) not too long before his death. I get the feeling he was originally planned as a bandwagon lynch if people started getting it right, with a good number (as evidenced by the Chocolate days initial votes) of people thinking he was scum. When people started coming round to the idea he wasn't, he was immediately pinged off as one of the biggest threats to any scum. Especially as his case was on Drem and SKrammen, both people I have on my "they're scum" list. I find that an unlikely coincidence. If you're scum the risk.nuke kill makes sense (of course you wouldn't kill someone defending you), and the Toad kill later in the game makes sense for reasons I already explained. I'm more convinced than I am about anyone else anyway. Also note that your arguments against votes and suspicions have MOSTLY been "I think that argument is weak", without really explaining why it's weak, or why your arguments are stronger. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
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1) Assuming I stand by my idea that either SKrammen or Toads had to be a mafia, then if I make the decision that SKrammen seems far more scummy than Toads to me, then it eliminates Toads as a red. 2) Toads has been a suspect since day 1, I've pressured him as have others basically every day, and he hasn't once baulked under the pressure. He's maintained composure, and given fully reasoned answers when something has been asked of him. SKrammen practically disappeared while under pressure, and seems to struggle to answer reasonably basic attempts to probe him without resorting to "Your argument sucks" (paraphrasing) type responses. 3) Toads appeared to have the trust of both yourself and Ciry. We know for a fact now that all 3 of you weren't scum buddies rising to the top. Ciry and Toads both bring experience, though I can't remember if you're newbie or not, and I would assume that more seasoned players would have definite reasons in their mind to "trust" someone. I identified you as someone I thought was probably town a while back. Toads was confident about both you and Ciry, and as he has flipped green, and the 3 of you were more or less voting together before that, logic follows that you're PROBABLY safe bets between the 3 of you. 4) Toads has got votes wrong, so has SKrammen. But Toads made much more effort to explain his votes and try and get people to see his point of view. SKrammen hardly does that at all, instead making a vote or a choice without that much to back it up. The decision came as I was learning that the mafia were likely to be below that top level of activity. risk.nuke was active and attacking people, he died. Toads was active and doing so, he died. Toads was smart enough I reckon not to risk shooting risk even as a double/whatever bluff, and did a lot to provoke people into talking. At the time I was changing my opinion, it was when I decided that I thought Toads was playing far to risky to be scum, I didn't think a red would REALLY be that Balls of Steel in his play. I'll note that I never REALLY intended to finish with my vote on Toads that day. I didn't want to drop what had been my prime suspect without forcing him to respond to votes first. Before the massive hyshes train, I liked and approved of the way he was posting. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
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On November 09 2011 18:10 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Also possibly of interest, here is every post of xsksc's where he mentions Bunneh: + Show Spoiler + And Bunneh, posts mentioning him in some way other than listing him in a vote count or asking why I voted him: + Show Spoiler + So assuming I rule out Harbinger for the time being, we have to go back on what we had prior to the hyshes thing. In my mind it continues to be as follows: 1) Skrammen or Toad. Only 1, but almost certainly one. Otherwise I'll be a monkey's uncle and entirely thrown through a loop. 2) Drem. More to come on that, but he's been semi-active, and some dodgy posts. 3) No idea. Perhaps Chocolate? I'd have thought possibly hackle, but my real guess is that he was a townie who just lost interest from the start. I don't have a real lead on a 3rd at the moment though. I'd like to hear more from xkxdkskd though. [purple]Unknown[/purple] Zanfa xksxksd These are 2 I simply can't place. I don't think either has posted enough to get a particularly good read from, and through my guessing above, one of the 2 has to be scum. In my opinion Zanfa has come off as more scummy to me. He's quietly slipping onto the bandwagons, and reading his posts it almost seems like he's trying to avoid creating any kind of waves that might cause people to focus on him. xkskckxk has been more committed when he has tried to apply pressure, and seems to me just like a bit of a newbie who didn't want to go out on a limb early on, as his posts have increased recently, whereas Zanfa's seem to just stagnate. Food for thought. Hmm... maybe that's part of the reason he hasn't really been on my radar. I'm pretty sure you'd get similar results with me/Chocolate, me/hyshes, me/hacklesermo, and me/risk.nuke (pre-death). To be fair, and it was brought up before, it's not like anyone has really put pressure on me either. If it was literally only one or 2 people, then I'd agree with you, but barely anyone has put any suspicion on me, and those that have have barely done more than question something I've said. Perhaps you'd like to pick up their slack if my lack of being suspicious is suspicious to you  For Skrammen: Bunneh (11/8 21:55) Ciry (11/9 09:42) hackle/Sermo (11/9 11:18) xsksc (11/9 11:31) Drem (11/9 12:11) If we go on the assumption Harbinger is town, then there's a minimum of one mafia voting here (SKram and Zanfa have not voted and voted someone else respectively). That means either SKrammen has been thrown away, or SKrammen is innocent. If he is then we definately should be looking at the people on him. Especially the last 3 votes, Drem has already been up for the lynch before. Is it tonight or tomorrow we have to vote by? I think this needs looking at carefully with the quick bandwagon. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
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On November 10 2011 07:52 Drem903 wrote: ##unvote Skrammen ##vote IMAbunneh no hard feelings. Going to accept HoD's wisdom and try to avoid a mislynch. I'll catch up with a full post on proposed scum when I haven't just got home from the pub. In the meantime it looks like we're going for a no-lynch? I'm going to stick with the plan and trust you guys know what you're doing (I don't fully understand what's going on RIGHT now, curses be to a few pints), but I need to vote for who voted for me right? Correct me if I'm wrong and I'll swap my vote to what's needed. #unvote SKrammen ##vote Drem903 | ||
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IMABUNNEH
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IMABUNNEH
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So HarbingerOfDoom - Townie xsksc Ciryandor - Townie sermokala Skrammen - Claims Medic. Drem903 IMABUNNEH This is what we have to go on, that's assuming everyone is right about Harbinger and Ciry. God help us if we're not. The fact that nobody is arguing with SKrammen's medic claim leads me to believe that he must be a medic. If he wasn't the real medic would have stepped in by now I'd assume. That leaves xkkscsk, sermo, Drem and myself. That means I only have one possible proposed scum list: Drem Sermo xkssdksc Am I right in thinking we need a lynch today, since if SKrammen IS medic and dies then 3v3 is a lose? In that case We HAVE to make sure we're correct, which means lynching someone we're certain on. The question you should ask is who are you certain of? For those 3, I'm sure their list will replace myself with them, so we have the 4 "obvious" choices, and need to cut us down immediately. We can't mislynch today. What does everyone think of each of the 4 of us? Who is most likely scum? We need EVERYONE to agree, and I want to see everyone's opinions, because that will show us who is most likely scum. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
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On November 12 2011 04:48 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: And wait a second...hahahahaha, you saved me? No wonder Bunneh put off that post analyzing me, he thought I'd be dead. No lol. I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm both not as active as I want to be (especially the days I'm doing shit), and I'm also kind of lazy. If I was scum, don't you think I would have made sure it went up before you died? If I was red (hint: I'm not), then getting it up earlier would let me play the whole "Oh my god I got him killed woe is me!" kind of speech, which would make me instantly popular right? No, you've read too much into that. The other 3 are obviously the scum. You want me to analyse their posting to prove that it's them and not me, but people did the same for hyshes and Chocolate and look how well that turned out. At this point whether I was scum or green I could write anything I wanted to implicate people. But protip, we know that of the 4 of us, 3 must be scum right? If you think it's me, despite me doing far more to try and help us than people like sermo, xksccsx, and Drem (who has succeeded pretty well in pushing attention just around him) then by all means go ahead and lose us the game. Or you could do the smart thing and vote for someone who is far more confirmed red than me and make your judgement based on that. I'm also not the one who spent a day saying "OH MY GOD YOU GUYS ARE STUPID THIS GUY IS OBVIOUSLY RED", and when they flipped green, spent my next few posts telling everyone "OH MY GOD YOU GUYS ARE SO STUPID SHEEP WE LOSE NOW GG" We all need to agree on a lynch right? At least agree on one you actually know, rather than a half-assed "It all adds up!" Do we have until tonight or tomorrow night? | ||
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IMABUNNEH
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On November 12 2011 12:04 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Argues he isn't scum. Knows we need to lynch or we lose. At the time he last posted there were not enough votes to pass the lynch. Claims to be unsure of the deadline. Doesn't vote with us on Sermokala who should essentially be confirmed scum to him before a time he thinks the deadline might be. MAKES PERFECT SENSE Isn't scum Read and worked out we need to lynch or lose Was unsure of the deadline Double checked the deadline after posting because realised "duh" Chose not to vote anyone just yet Still have 24 hours to vote If I have to vote for Sermo to get a lynch, I will. If we change our mind and decide to pick someone else between now and then, I'll vote for them. ##vota semokala but only because I trust Harb's judgement. It's a vote to at least make it clear I'll be voting with what you think is best regardless. | ||
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IMABUNNEH
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Reading the Observer QT gave me more information than the game did! :D All in all had fun, learned some things, and somehow avoided being asked anything real for the majority of the game. Looking forward to maybe playing another one soon  | ||
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IMABUNNEH
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 ) after I got a footing on what people were looking for what. I KNOW I made multiple mistakes and scumslips having read back, but I think other than that switch on Day 1, what I was saying/contributing worked within this specific game if nothing else. I get the feeling that depending on who you're playing with changes how you need to play the game. | ||
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