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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 13 2011 04:56 GMT
#401
[11][1]
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 13 2011 05:00 GMT
#402
After we all recieve our roles, should those who became vanilla townies reveal themselves and their picks? we would know for sure some roles would be in the game, but we once again would get the problem that everyone would know the general area that that role exists. I personally feel that it is worth the risk. We get to know for certain what roles are in the game, and can plan accordingly.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 13 2011 05:10 GMT
#403
3/4
JimboSilvers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom167 Posts
October 13 2011 05:24 GMT
#404
On October 13 2011 14:00 GreYMisT wrote:
After we all recieve our roles, should those who became vanilla townies reveal themselves and their picks? we would know for sure some roles would be in the game, but we once again would get the problem that everyone would know the general area that that role exists. I personally feel that it is worth the risk. We get to know for certain what roles are in the game, and can plan accordingly.


As a general rule, don't reveal information unless it can benefit the town.

If you are pick 3, and you don't get inventor, don't go telling everyone that you didn't get inventor.
If you are pick 3, and you don't get CPR doctor, tell us.

The main problem (obivously) is that if you reveal that you didn't get a town role, you are just helping the mafia by telling them that (special cases pending), and if you reveal that you didn't get a mafia role, you help the town, but what the crap where you doing trying to get a mafia role?

Because of this the only role that i can think of that would be an obviously good idea to tell us you didn't get is Traitor, but that role has been taken from the game. Everything else is either going to help the mafia, or get yourself lynched. (Again, there are probably specific circumstances that you could cook up in which it would be a good idea to claim a town role fail, but other wise, I don't think it should be public knowledge)
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
October 13 2011 05:24 GMT
#405
On October 13 2011 14:00 GreYMisT wrote:
After we all recieve our roles, should those who became vanilla townies reveal themselves and their picks? we would know for sure some roles would be in the game, but we once again would get the problem that everyone would know the general area that that role exists. I personally feel that it is worth the risk. We get to know for certain what roles are in the game, and can plan accordingly.

I say it depends on the role.

If some townie decided he wants to "deny" mafia a role, then he can claim that he did so, and didn't get the role. (Thief, Role Swapper, CPR docs, GFs, Framer, etc.) Then we can have a DT check the claimer, and we know that there may be one of that role in the list above the person.

As for other roles, I don't really see the benefit. Why reveal if say, a DT was chosen above you. It doesn't really do anything to help town, and lets everyone with a KP know the general area of an investigative role.

So, I guess you could say it depends on your queue position as well, as the lower you are, the weaker your information becomes. For example, claiming inventor taken when you're 2nd in queue is different than claiming DT taken when you're 19th.
you gotta dance
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 13 2011 05:33 GMT
#406
Alright thanks, I did not consider that reasoning
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 13 2011 06:08 GMT
#407
I chose [14][4]
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
October 13 2011 06:53 GMT
#408
If the assassin's kill fails, will we be notified?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
October 13 2011 07:08 GMT
#409
20/20

8th pick, not too shabby.
Cheese is good for you!
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 13 2011 07:32 GMT
#410
[15][2]

And I am damn near the middle.

Is anyone keeping a record of whats happening in Quake.net? Just for the people who chose not to use it, or miss something?

1. Meapak_Ziphh
2. Kenpachi
3. JimboSilvers
4. deconduo

and these are the players that will take the roles we say, correct?
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 13 2011 07:50 GMT
#411
Nvm, I missed this, which I fully agree with

On October 13 2011 11:47 Radfield wrote:
So, me and Sandro have been discussing extensively the potential plans. At this point I am inclined to side with both him and Jimbo, and NOT allocate picks. We've been throwing around the idea of allocating the top pick the NRA member, but I'm not sure how valuable that is.

Basically my entire list boils down to keeping tabs on the inventor. Which as Jimbo pointed out, is perhaps not worthy of allocating a whole bunch of picks. Frankly, Inventor will likely fall in the top few picks anyways, especially if any town-aligned player in the top 3 tries for it. Scum will not be able to let it slip far, as they risk losing it outright and having a lower player get vanilla.

So, this brings us to the town role priority list, which me and Sandro were working on. Basically the idea is to focus purely on Investigative/Defensive/Protective roles in the top 20 slots. Slots 20-28 will then take either KP roles or miscellaneous roles.

Still hammering out some details, but the list will follow. It is not set in stone by any means, and it a guideline for townies to pick from. The lower in the draft order you are, the lower on the role list you pick, etc. The only real goal of the list is to minimize overlap among townies, and to give a list of effective pro-town roles.


"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 13 2011 07:52 GMT
#412
On October 13 2011 01:48 sandroba wrote:
NOT denying is the superior denying strategy this game. Mafia is not guaranteed to get what they want unless they get first pick AND the first picks already have a lot of focus on them. Letting mafia fight over the best roles for them will ensure we end up with several vanilla mafia. If we deny mafia the best roles they might pick roles town would want and they would be denying town instead.
DO NOT DENY.


Smart man right here.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 13 2011 07:58 GMT
#413
Ace, did you forget to log in as Jimbo again?
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 13 2011 08:00 GMT
#414
That's not my smurf. How could I be Jimbo when he/she/it played in a game I hosted? :D
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
October 13 2011 08:01 GMT
#415
lol it
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
October 13 2011 08:21 GMT
#416
On October 13 2011 16:08 Scamp wrote:
20/20

8th pick, not too shabby.


Well you know what they say, hindsight is + Show Spoiler +
20/20


+ Show Spoiler +
YYEEEEEEEEAAAAAA-
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
October 13 2011 08:24 GMT
#417
I'm going to coin this as "Compulsive Vigi Syndrome". You guys have this illusion that if you know where a role is, you'll be able to control it. Unless the player with that role is a spineless unthinking coward it won't happen.

I know if I got the top pick and took CV or Inventor, or whatever role people thinks is dangerous and you tried to tell me what to do I'd tell you to go kick rocks. I don't know your alignment, and I'm no puppet. If you want the role pry it from my dead hands.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
October 13 2011 09:50 GMT
#418
Yeah Bum I made that joke in my PM. Tis' a classic.
Cheese is good for you!
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 13 2011 09:51 GMT
#419
[10][5]

So do you think Sandroba's plan has enough support to go with? I'm down with sticking to it.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
October 13 2011 10:07 GMT
#420
I took [11][1] too how the did we end up so high?
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