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On September 27 2011 03:40 Erandorr wrote: anything other than 6. Also isnt 1 player missing still to start? This. Late evening or midnight is both fine for me, but if it´s 6 in the morning I will miss every deadline. | ||
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Don´t know if troll... And yes to whoever asked, you can voluntarily go mute all you want if you don´t like PMs. Could be a usefull trick to help hide the sniper(s). | ||
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On September 27 2011 21:34 DropBear wrote: Us expert veterans are indeed quite scary. And there´s a lot of you, several veteran players to hunt down scum, and take nightkills for us newer players  | ||
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On September 27 2011 22:56 tnkted wrote: What's the line for vet / pubbie / newbie? I've been here several months and played 8+ games, am I a vet yet? You are a vet when scum kill you night 1 on principle. | ||
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On September 28 2011 07:10 wherebugsgo wrote: let's lynch Forumite today ##vote Forumite Hmmm, don´t know if pressure... | ||
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On September 28 2011 11:22 sinani206 wrote: /confirm. Apparently I'm starting mute, so I won't be able to talk in PMs, IRC, skype, gtalk, etc. Also I won't be around for day/night posts except on weekends, and even then it will be hard. Getting that out of the way, random voting is a viable way to start, but not if everyone votes for the same person. I think that we should all calm down and unvote now and allow discussion to proceed. Seriously, man, wha's going down? I trusted you, you got what´s this in this here biz, and now you drop shit like this and disc? This just doesn´t compute to the bottom line, so mine´s eyes on your ass, to the finish line! You´ve changed man, you´ve changed, this ain´t like you, no fucking way. Now lay it down, cause what you see, this the real deal, talk like the ghand, or face the steel! ##Vote Sevryn | ||
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On September 28 2011 18:39 prplhz wrote: @Forumite what the fuck? Mad rhymes, right? But seriously, Sevryn is acting damn scummy, and I want him to answer for it. If you think I´m mistaken, send me a PM about it, don´t take it here. | ||
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On September 28 2011 20:35 Mig wrote: Ok guys I think that is plenty of trolling so lets actually start playing now. 1) No townies need to fake claim mute. There are virtually guaranteed to be some random townies who are mute to hide any possible snipers we have. So having people fake it is pointless. Along with that the ability to mason is very strong for town and hurts mafia a great deal. Mafia would love to fake claim mute so they didn't have to discuss things with people, don't give them an easy opportunity to do so. Craplogic. People fake-claiming Mute does not in any way stop us from using Mason Circles. You can pretend to be Mute and still PM a small number of trusted Town. Claiming just checks one player off the list of possible Vigilantes, but pretending to be Mute leaves the option open, keep Mute or break silence when the opportunity presents itself. On September 28 2011 20:35 Mig wrote: 2) Engineer invention - The only reasonable choices are 1) (medic) and 3) (watcher). If there is an engineer out there I highly recommend you choose watcher. Multiple recent TL games the town medics have badly fucked up the town by protecting mafia members. Watchers cannot help mafia by watching the wrong person. Along with that watchers actually make mafia less likely to hit the strong townies. Mafia are oftentimes willing to risk medics and hit a good townie because all they lose is a kp if he is saved. But if instead that person is watched the mafia is risking losing one of their members, and it makes it incredibly risky for mafia to ever double stack someone. I had to deal with this as mafia 2 games ago with foolish watchers are a huge bitch for mafia to deal with. Craplogic. Did you check what the Engineer does? + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2011 23:20 Kurumi wrote: BLU Engineer He is missing his guitar, but his wrench and mind are here. He is now back from Bahamas and ready to aid the BLU team to the victory. Role Chooser: Night 1 Engineer decides to build one of the following buildings: a) Teleport: Engineer can now save people by placing teleport in their houses. If BLU Scout tracks a person who is teleported it counts as visiting someone. Does not regenerate health from Pyro's fire, but makes Pyro's action fail as it is a KP-type action. b) Dispenser Engineer can now refill people's bullets and lives. Refill can't give more bullets or lives than starting amount. When refilling BLU Sniper his first-used bullet is refilled. Engineer and people without additional lives/bullets are not pmed about the visit (so Engineer does not know if he refilled someone) c) Sentry Gun Because of newest RED technology Sentry Gun can not kill anymore. Instead, it watches doorsteps. It gives Engineer the result: X was visited by someone. X was not visited by anyone. Every "invention" can be used from N2 and on. Engineer can't build another invention/destroy it/replace it. Roleblocking Engineer makes his inventions fail too. On September 28 2011 20:35 Mig wrote: 3) Balance - This won't really be applicable right now but in kurumi's last game I know he didn't RNG all the teams/roles completely and he balanced it fairly normally. So looking at the player list the top players would be myself/Curu/Palmar/ingonito/ and probably the smurf. There is around a 0% chance those 5 players are all town and I would say it is very likely 2 of those 5 are mafia and not just mafia but most likely the mafia power roles (GF, RB, etc). This doesn't do us much good ATM but everyone should be watching all of those players closely, especially as people die and there are fewer of them left. I have no idea what you are saying here, please elaborate. | ||
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On September 29 2011 01:59 Mig wrote: If you are watcher you watch hi profile townies who are likely to be killed. If they die you can see who hit them if someone else visits them and the person doesn't die/claim rb/burn you have a confirmed townie. Please don't call my logic crap when you are clueless. Check the role list, it says there that the Engineers Sentry doesn´t know who visited, just if someone visited that person. | ||
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On September 28 2011 23:17 tnkted wrote: Should people who are burned at night claim, so that medic can choose to protect them, or what? that tells mafia where the medic is gonna be, but mafia can just fakeclaim a burn and draw the medic too. I'm uncomfortable with introducing a town mechanic that allows mafia to manipulate the medic that way. A is burned by the Red Pyro, what to do? If the Medic helps A, then he doesn´t die to the next Pyro visit, A is saved, although two others die instead, tough. Barring Vet hits, 2 guaranteed deaths. If the Medic doesn´t help A, then A dies to a second Pyro-hit the next night, but the Medic has a tiny chance of protecting another Townie that Scum was aiming for. A dies, and most likely 2 others die too. Barring Vet hits, at least 2 deaths, probably 3. Helping the burnt one gives a better expected return on the number of Town saved. There are only 2 situations where not helping might be a better idea, if the Burnt one is a useless Townie AND the Medic is almost 100% sure that a vocal Townie is going to get hit (Trading a crap Townie for a good one), or if the Burnt-claim is fake. Pyro isn´t going to hit a useless Townie, and fake-claiming calls attention to Scum, so neither situation is likely. Medic helping burnt Townies is almost always a good move. | ||
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On September 29 2011 02:25 Mig wrote: Ok so engineer is basically worthless just do the medic invention. Forumite why couldn't mafia fake claim being burned? Mafia fake claim being rbd all the time even tho it draws attention to them. This is no different except that it hurts town a ton more because it draws potential medics. That being said I agree with the rest of your points concerning burn people claiming. So meh I am not sure what is best honestly. I guess the Engineer could be usefull to confirming claims of visiting roles, but it´s nowhere near as good as if it would give names of visitors. Of the 3 options, the teleporter looks best to me. Yes, Mafia can fake-claim being burned, but then they either has to not use the Pyro one night, or have a Townie claiming being burned, one is good for Town, the other is dangerous for Scum. Compared to a roleblock, which only has an effect if it hits a blue, not using a roleblock is not as big a deal as not burning. | ||
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On September 29 2011 03:09 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote Forumite ##vote tnkted Was that a fakevote or did you just forget to post in the voting thread? | ||
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On September 29 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote: I agree with Mig btw. But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly. that being said: ##Vote Jackal58 Why Jackal? Something he´s posted/PMed or cause of lurking? On an unrelated issue, I don´t know if my FoS on sinani206 is stronger or weaker after him just disappearing. | ||
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On September 29 2011 10:06 Jackal58 wrote: If you check the voting thread you'll see I haven't voted for anybody yet. My vote on Palmar in this thread was the same as everybody else. Spam. I've got 1 scum in my sights. Let's lynch you and the move on to number 2. Jackal, I´m buying that WBG is good at disguising as Town (RAINBOW DASH!), and I´ll lynch him the moment he changes his play, but right now he´s talking sense. If he looks Town, helps Town and calls out scummy behavior, then he´s probably Town. | ||
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On September 29 2011 15:55 sinani206 wrote: Oh, wait. Curu's in this game? He'll ruin it. ##Vote: Curu Sinani, quickly, what´s the most important reason that we should lynch Curu? | ||
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On September 29 2011 20:40 prplhz wrote: so you don't care much who gets lynched, you just want to voice your support of a scenario with two bandwagons that you and your scum buddies can hop on to at leisure? Not at all, I very much care about who is going to be lynched, I don´t want Jackal or WBG to be the one. Who between Curu and Palmar is scummiest is yet to be decided, waiting to see how the talk between them goes. | ||
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On September 29 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote: i mean scum would love to see the lynch be decided by who is the scummier of two townies, and not who is actually scum. you're just sitting there saying "oh yea bitches, duke it out and we'll lynch one of you!" and i kinda find that very scummy. very scum. Good point. I think, that if we must focus on a pair of players and lynch the scummiest, then it´s better to lynch either of Palmar or Curu than Jackal and WBG, but if there is a fifth candidate that appears, then sure, please make that case, just as long as we do two things, stay away from Jackal and WBG for now, and FOCUS the lynch on few and likely candidates, I don´t want to see 20 players voting on 20 candidates, because that´s a game with 19 scum in it. On the Curu and Palmar, I am leaning toward Curu being the scum. I don´t have a good tell on Palmar (I haven´t analysed Mig´s case yet), while I have a very unhelpfull read on Curu. He´s not playing quite as aggressive as in the last 2 games where I played with him, where he was scum both times, but he´s admitted that he´s aware of how his metagame looked in those games, and how he´s changed it this game. If a metagame analysis doesn´t much help, then the seemingly baseless case on Palmar and his empty posts is what I have to go on. He´s not revealing any proof on why Palmar is scum but still want to lynch him, so either he´s scum or the case was based on only PM-info. I´m leaning towards Scum. | ||
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What I´m saying, Curu, is that I can´t trust your metagame because you clearly state that you are aware of how you play and what it looks like, therefore I look at how you play now, and it doesn´t strike me as very helpfull to random vote Palmar, then only give the reason much later. Checking your posts, I do find one good post, with the reasons form pushing Palmar. Is there anything else you want to add to your analysis, or is that post your case on him? Is there anything from PM-land you want to add? The relevant part is bolded. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2011 19:37 Curu wrote: Alright so here's what I think: Palmar is using meta arguments that are incorrect and weak to paint out Jackal as scum because of one post Jackal made. He's also being purposefully obtuse and calling me scummy because I am not playing like I was in AA (which was my first ever game, duh) which was something people seem to bring up every single game (Palmar's been a part of all of them and everyone's been wrong in every one of them). I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. I think Palmar is one of the best on TL in being able to differentiate stupidly posting Townies from scum but I'm not seeing any of it here. risk.nuke and Sevyrn have even shittier posts than me. Kenpachi is possibly a scum day Vig, I see no other reason for him to paint his name blue this time instead of green like all his other games. WBG's attack on tnkted was pretty derp. PS. sinani saying I ruin games is pretty fucking funny. This guy has goldfish memory or some shit. | ||
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On September 29 2011 12:12 Curu wrote: I always mislynch Town day 1. So I'm not leading any lynches today. If you take a look again at all my scum games I am very rawr rawr day 1 because I know I can get a Townie lynched and get away with it. tbh I haven't even read most of the thread yet, busy busy. On September 29 2011 23:49 Palmar wrote: it's why my scum play is always glaringly obvious. | ||
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On September 30 2011 01:34 jcarlsoniv wrote: Forumite, I don't understand your argument against Curu. Mig outlined a very good argument against Palmar, and yet you think Curu is more scummy? Does this mean you agree with Curu and Mig that Palmar is scum? | ||
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On September 30 2011 03:35 Curu wrote: lol DropBear. Palmar's early game is shitty? He correctly identified me, Mig, and BB as scum day 1 in XLIV, made the entire Mafia team forfeit day 2 in Swedish House, and led the lynch on the Godfather day 1 of Haunted House. I'm going to ignore Forumite until he stops posting blatantly nonsensical bullshit. My play seems odd this game...well derp derp the two games you played with me I was scum. If my play seems different that should tell you I'm Town. Oh wait but WIFOM I did that on purpose ahahahahahaha no. Do I really have to explain about metagame again? Basically I´m looking at this game only, ignoring your metagame for once, and then your play feels like you are reluctant to give info and like you are mostly in PM-land. If it was just you, then my gut feeling says that I should keep my eyes on you. However, Curu might give me bad wibes, but he hasn´t posted lies as part of his analysisas far as I´ve seen, while Palmar is picking and choosing to create an analysis in order to take out a good player. I want to lynch Palmar today, especially if he doesn´t get back and explain himself. ##Unvote Sinani206 ##Vote Palmar | ||
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While him claiming BLU Pyro makes this a bit more confusing, if we can accept that whichever scumslip he posted was a mistake. Is it clear which scumslip he blames the case on him on? | ||
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Scumhunters supreme. | ||
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On September 30 2011 07:15 sinani206 wrote: also incog im not a sniper, im a drunk demo I´m not sure about this one, but I think millers don´t know they are millers in most Mafia games. If the miller know´s he´s a miller, then claiming is basically saying "Don´t DT-check me, it´s no use." | ||
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On September 30 2011 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: okay clearly you aren't town. Drunk demo is the vanilla townie. Lynch this guy. My mistake, and that makes much more sense. | ||
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On September 30 2011 08:05 Curu wrote: See posts like that are why we have to get rid of certain players. It's mind boggling that there is the possibility you might even post something like that as Town. Not quite following here. He´s obviously referring to his vote on Shroedingers Scum, NotChezinu, who saye he hasn´t checked his role-PM, and is therefore impossible to get an accurate read on, since he´s not working toward his win-condition. | ||
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On September 30 2011 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah but his logic for saying that is almost nonexistent. Just like how you're scum and are trying to get NC lynched. It almost seems as if you believe Sevryn. If you want me lynched, for whatever reason, then at least make a real case. I don´t think NC should be our primary lynch target, but I understand what Sevryn if going on about, NC trolling is a problem for Town. And what he was talking about is not why NC should get lynched, he´s just nudging Curu. | ||
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On September 30 2011 08:17 sinani206 wrote: OK, incog told me to shoot prplhz, who I actually am quite suspicious of... Are you asking for opinions? I wouldn´t mind discussing a vigi hit in the open. In this case, I´d hold off on a vigi hit, to avoid the risk of killing a Townie or a Blue. I don´t know what prplhz is, but I´m nowhere near sure enough to call for a shot on him. | ||
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On September 30 2011 09:24 Sevryn wrote: If that shot goes off Jackal is town the scum sniper can only shoot during the day Lies! I´m the one shooting here, Jackal´s is just trolling WBG. | ||
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On September 30 2011 09:32 wherebugsgo wrote: rofl this is actually really funny ahaha aiming; aiming; still aiming; | ||
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Hmmm, don´t know if lie... + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On September 30 2011 09:41 wherebugsgo wrote: o_O is this cause I got you lynched in iGrok's game? or is it cause you can never get my alignment right? + Show Spoiler + hahaha Please, WBG, I urge you to make peace with your gods, there is not much time left. Make peace, and leave the game with a clear mind and heart. | ||
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It doesn´t change the fact that I´d appreciate Medic Attention tonight, but on me specifically, and not either me or Jackal. | ||
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On September 30 2011 18:59 Mig wrote: Forumite why did you post saying vigs should hold their shots then shoot/fakeshoot WBG? What was the point of that? To be honest, I didn´t have much time to think it through, I needed to do it right away, or not at all, so I went for it. I still think vigis should hold their shots and make damn sure before they fire, but since I´m not a vigi, that doesn´t apply to me. | ||
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On September 30 2011 19:59 risk.nuke wrote: on what do you base your assumption that incog is gf? WBG directing checks is very pro-Scum, since there´s a framer in the scumteam. | ||
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On September 30 2011 20:21 jcarlsoniv wrote: Forumite, you just shat on your credibility. You fake claim sniper, cause a whole ruckus, and then ask for medic protection? Why would a medic want to protect you? Are you trying to pull the medics away from town's high priority members so that a shot can actually go through? If you were town, I can somewhat understand your reasoning behind it, but still... Due to you and Jackal, now scum has an easier chance of hittin/RBing the sniper because they now know 2 players who they don't want to hit -_- It was a gamble, and it didn´t pay off. If Jackal was the Sniper, then Scum would have a hard time killing both of us. If Jackal wasn´t the Sniper, then I´m off the list of possible Snipers too. The gain if Jackal was the Sniper was so much bigger than the loss if he wasn´t, so I went for it, and it didn´t pay off. The only loss is that Scum know I can´t be the BLU Sniper, and I can live with that. As for Medic Protection, if you have read the thread, which Scum definetly has, you should remember the roleslip I did. I slipped that I can´t be a Vanilla Townie. Since Scum know I´m not Scum, Scum know I´m a Blue role, therefore I´m most likely going to get under fire tonight. Unless Town gets a good case going, in which case I´ll be saved long enough to die to a lynch tomorrow, but that´s at least one nightaction going through, so perhaps that is worth it. | ||
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On September 30 2011 20:21 jcarlsoniv wrote: If you were town, I can somewhat understand your reasoning behind it, but still... Due to you and Jackal, now scum has an easier chance of hittin/RBing the sniper because they now know 2 players who they don't want to hit -_- This is craplogic. If I´m Town, then I ended up giving one piece of info to Scum, that I´m not the BLU Sniper. If I´m Scum, then they allready know that I´m not the BLU Sniper. The only way I could have hurt Town is if I´m Town. Yes, it didn´t pay off, I ended up helping Scum, but in this case, that doesn´t make me Scum. | ||
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On September 30 2011 22:31 Mig wrote: Forumite.... If you are really blue why put yourself in the line of fire attempting to save the sniper? Doesn't that seem like an incredibly dumb thing to do? I didn´t have long to think it through, it was then or never, so I just went for it. In hindsight it wasn´t the best move. Seeing Palmar go down was probably part of it, things were going well and it felt like the right time to take a chance. | ||
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On October 01 2011 00:06 Erandorr wrote: I am a bit curious that no one has commentated on the shot not going off. The OP clearly states that that an hour after shot is initiated , the player will be executed. Nothing about jammed guns. Is it possible that kurumi just has not been around since yesterday? I´m not the Sniper, so either Jackal isn´t a Sniper either, or the GM hasn´t been online since. I doubt that the GM would leave the game alone for 14 hours, so it´s more or less settled that both I and Jackal fakeclaimed. | ||
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On October 01 2011 03:35 Curu wrote: Does anyone know if Forumite is mute? Can´t answer that, boss. I´ll tell you tomorrow. | ||
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On October 01 2011 06:35 prplhz wrote: a little german bird has told me that vigs are aiming for me because apparently i'm scummy in pm land The only german player is Supersoft. Supersoft, what was the case on prplhz that was circulating in PMs? | ||
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On October 01 2011 20:08 wherebugsgo wrote: All game Incog has been insinuating that he's been producing things of value, particularly in his fantastical "PM land." Have any of you seen these supposed things of value? Have any of you seen what Incog has contributed to this town? I certainly haven't. Instead, Incog has been acting exactly like the type of player he's targetting; like a scummy lurker. The two PMs I´ve gotten from Incog has been him asking me to check up on people, people that I´ve has my own suspicions on, but still, that´s it. I haven´t asked for him to elaborate or state his case in PMs, so that´s all the I have on his PMing. It´s not a confirmation that Incog is unhelpfull in PM-land, but he hasn´t given me any help, at least. | ||
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On October 01 2011 21:22 supersoft wrote: two PMs imply, that you answered him. is that correct? Negative, I didn´t answer. Incog just sent another question a day later. | ||
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On October 01 2011 23:02 Curu wrote: No I would very much like to know if he is mute too. Yes, I´m Mute. I´m absolutely useless in PM land, joy! Makes the game simpler though. I can´t answer PMs, but if anyone has multiple answer questions, send me a PM and I´ll give my answer in the thread, open but unreadable. | ||
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On October 01 2011 18:47 supersoft wrote: you guys realize that they shot into our muted players...? Could this have to do with tnkted PMing everyone to check if they were Mute? Probably not, but if Scum is purposefully going after Mute Players, then they are active in PM-land. I´ve gotten several PMs, most looked were just an excuse to see if I´m Mute or not, and I expect scum to be among those senders. | ||
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On October 01 2011 23:56 supersoft wrote: why don't you post a list of these players? ;-) I´ve gotten one-liner PMs with at most a soft FoS in them from a few players, among them are Incognito, WBG and tnkted, naturally. There are a few other players, but I´d prefer not to name them. Both PMs from Incog were asking me to check another player, they were just weak FoS's, didn´t even include any reasoning on why they are scummy, or why I should help him, or if an answer was important enough to break my silence. As a Mute player, getting PMs like that is very frustrating. Of the other PMs, none gave me much information, but as I don´t suspect the players, you know who you are, I´ll say no more for now. | ||
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On October 02 2011 01:51 NotChezinu wrote: I will be using MrFluffles to work around the evil hex that was cast on me. So if you get any PMs from him, its from me. <3 cookies and kitties. What are you talking about? Is this a subtle hint that you just got muted? | ||
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On October 02 2011 04:04 tnkted wrote: lol risk.nuke I don't trust you, thats why I didn't say anything. and you did too get a response from me. You STILL haven't given what I asked for (your scumreads lolsoscummy) Way to misrepresent. By lying about what happened you have made yourself seem even more scummy to me. ##vote: Incognito so I don't get modkillzor'd tnkted, would you mind sending me a PM telling me why WBG can´t be a scum? | ||
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On October 02 2011 05:37 tnkted wrote: He's definitely read it, or else he wouldn't know if he was mute or not and he wouldn't be able to PM anyone. He's pmed me a few times so he knows. He posted that he asked GM if he was allowed to PM, that was way back. Read the thread. Also, tnkted, yes I´m mute, I´ve allready said that. Why can´t you just send me why WBG is a confirmed Town? Saying that others know why doesn´t help me at all. When you stall like this it only makes you and him look bad. | ||
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On October 02 2011 05:35 NotChezinu wrote: Hi forumite. I just had a realization. Scum snipers can only shoot during the day, just to rule out that possibility please do me a favor and aim at risk.nuke, right now (I'm not going to type out the command so I can't be accused of being the shooter if you follow up right now) if you are town, nothing will happen, if you by some odd twist of fate are a scum sniper, well then, risk.nuke will meet his untimely demise. I'd say "pick whoever you want" but I don't want you aiming for someone who is likely to be town. If you refuse, well then, we know what to do. Apologies for any trouble this may cause. Mr.Fluffles sends his regards and a bit of string. Kurumi, just to confirm, a day vigi role ONLY has to post ##Aim: _____ for it to go off, right? No need to PM you or anything If enough people want me to do this then I will consider it, although if you´ve read the answer from GM you should know this is a stupid thing to ask of me. The aiming during the night proved nothing about my role. If I aim and shoot, then I can be either Sniper, BLU or RED, if I aim without shooting, then you just told Scum I´m not the BLU Sniper. | ||
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On October 02 2011 05:57 Kenpachi wrote: forumite, no harm done. ##aim: risk.nuke plz Right... Is Kenpachi Mute? Because if not, then he just helped Mafia by eliminating himself as a possible BLU Sniper. | ||
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On October 02 2011 05:59 NotChezinu wrote: read carefully. It says in the BLU sniper description: while the RED sniper only has a day kill. if you were the blu sniper BWG would be DEAD, you aimed at him last night. He is not. Now aim, because if you do and the shot goes off you can only be one thing. This is wrong because of this: On October 02 2011 05:37 Kurumi wrote: Aiming is only for the day action You dodos, no pms need to be sent. | ||
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On October 02 2011 06:04 NotChezinu wrote: No, we misunderstood the OP because its poorly worded, a blu sniper night hit is sent through PMs, is that correct kurumi? If that is correct then this doesn't work as intended, sorry. Confirmed by Kurumi, BLU Sniper Aims during the day, PMs the GM during the Night. You scummy, Sniper-fisher... | ||
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On October 02 2011 06:15 NotChezinu wrote: right, attempting to catch scum through the use of ingame mechanics is super scummy, right up there with killing scum. Anyway, while I have you at hand, what do you think of our good friend risk.nuke? WBG seems determined to lynch him, which suggests risk-nuke is Town. tnkted and WBG are at the top of my scumlist at the moment for not stepping up and providing the reason why WBG must be Town, so I don´t can´t take their arguments seriously until I get a clear answer from tnkted. Disregarding that, he seems consistent on the Palmar lynch, and taking a lead on Incog and WBG. He´s posting when he has something to say, and post all he has to say, which speaks in his favor. Unless I hear someone other than tnkted pointing out how his analysis doesn´t stick, I´m leaning Town. | ||
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On October 02 2011 08:04 Curu wrote: Wait for one hour then do it Forumite. Appreciated. However, I´ll wait and see for now. | ||
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On October 02 2011 08:33 supersoft wrote: no. forumte you wont shoot anyone at daytime. i want you to shoot someone at night. if you shoot someone during the daytime, we dont have any informations about your color. i dont need to know your role. i want to know your color. slso you should give us the remaining names! You have also sent me two PMs, asking me if I was Mute and asking me for a list of who I´ve been talking to in PM-land, so basically another Mutecheck. I´ve divulged those I´ve heard from whom I consider to be suspicious, but I don´t feel like naming the others without a good reason, but feel free to PM me about it. | ||
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At the start of Night 1, Incog asked me to talk to Erandorr, and also asked if I could PM now 6 hours ago, Incog asked me about nisani, and I answered in the thread He said prplhz and Erandorr were suspicious in his PMs, didn´t say his opinion on nisani. | ||
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On October 02 2011 09:56 Erandorr wrote: .. above :D up sounds a bit wrong there. I would still like to know how someone as good as Incognito could make these obvious mistakes if he is scum, or as town, for that matter. Can someone please explain that to me? Which mistake? | ||
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On October 02 2011 10:10 Erandorr wrote: I wrote something about that. Mig did too. Why dont you read that? Sorry I seem to assume that you follow the thread, stupid mistake  Do you mean sending 2 PMs to the same person asking about you, or repeatedly PMing a Mute player for information without result? | ||
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On October 02 2011 10:27 Erandorr wrote: No. Just try again and I am sure you will find what I am talking about . Its really not that hard  This is pointless. What was the mistake? | ||
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On October 02 2011 10:46 Sevryn wrote: tbh I think he was trying to get a ton of people to pm erandorr and then he asked erandorr who he was talking to trying to figure out who could pm trying to mute hunt... Hmmm, Supersoft did something like this, he PMed me about who I was talking to in PMs before the lynch, and later in the thread asked me again. Almost as if he was picking up where Incog started. I really don´t see how this information could be of any use, except to try and find mason-circles and Mutes, which is why I am reluctant to share. Has anyone else gotten a lot of questions from Supersoft? | ||
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On October 02 2011 10:55 Erandorr wrote: What I am trying to tell you is read the thread. You ignorance shows that you did not. Why dont you do that before asking very specific questions. If you have catched up and still dont understand some of the big words in the posts then feel free to ask what it is about I´ve read the thread and filtered your posts, and whatever it is, it´s not as obvious as you think it it is. If you are not willing to tell me what the mistake was, after me asking a fourth times, then I assume that you are either stalling, which is anti-Town, or that there´s no mistake at all, which means you are lying. FoS Erandorr | ||
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On October 02 2011 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote: Forumite if you were to pick one person who was most scummy who would that person be? You. Tnkted said he had more or less confirmed you as Town, but I still haven´t gotten a PM about his reasoning. Until I get it, from you, tnkted or someone else, both you and tnkted look bad. | ||
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Curu has asked me to claim my role to him, and he´s done that twice. I´m not sure if it´s Mutefishing, because if I´m Mute, then i can´t claim to him anyway. In one of those PMs, he called himself "pretty much 110% confirmed Town." | ||
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On October 02 2011 06:37 Forumite wrote: As for the latest PM, I choose the option 5 and B. To the one concerned, I need to know if Curu, or anyone else, knows about the plan. Could you PM me, please? | ||
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On October 02 2011 11:56 Mig wrote: My last 2 games I played with Curu and scum and Palmar as scum. They do not come up with these ridiculously intricate plans at all lol. Especially Palmar who hates being scum so much and puts absolutely no effort in everytime he is scum. You pointed out that palmar attacks his teammates a lot day 1, which is true but look at the attacks they are always completely half assed. This doesn´t contradict the case. If Palmar hates being Scum and usually does FoS on teammates, then sacrificing himself, and making a half-assed attempt to get Curu lynched before dying fits the profile and the case perfectly. It´s not an intricate plan from Palmars perspective, although Curu manipulating since is perhaps a bit farfetched. | ||
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On October 02 2011 17:35 supersoft wrote: Are you serious? I sent you exactly two PMs. One where I demanded the names and one where I asked you if you are muted right after you fake aimed at night. "a lot of questions"... Just asking around if anyone has had the same experience, either they don´t, or they haven´t noticed my post. These kinds of questions are much to sensitive to take in the thread, I´m not going to out PM-active townies. As for the Curu case, the defence Mig and Curu brought together looks good, and I don´t want to lynch Curu. | ||
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I was suspicious of WBG after his scumminess as Palmar was getting lynched, and didn´t feel like letting up. There was less and less talk about him, probably because of something suggested in this post: On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote: WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him. On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote: PM me for questions, back to class Well, much later, after asking in the thread about it, I got a PM from tnkted, in which he said nothing at all. Stalling or hiding information, whatever it is, he´s definetly not helping me, nor Town, by not dispelling my suspicions if he can. Original Message From tnkted: are you mute? why can't you pm me and ask? You could probably ask somebody else and find out (not really a secret) but he PM'd me when he thought he was gonna die and dumped some scumreads and his role on me. I think he did the same thing with some other people, he didn't say who. If anyone, tnkted or WBG or someone else, anybody, knows what this is all about, why WBG was suddenly considered a Townie despite his disruptive behavior, then please, PLEASE PM me. If there´s nothing out there, then the only explanation is that those two players are linked at the hip, shamelessly lying to make eachother look like Townies. If nobody explains this, then there´s only one explanation. ##Vote wherebugsgo | ||
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3- Kenpachi 4- sinani206 5- Nisani201 6- Curu 10- Mig 14- Forumite wherebugsgo (1) 2- Nisani201 Curu (4) 7- Incognito 8- NotChezinu 9- wherebugsgo 11- Sevryn Sevryn (1) 12- Dropbear | ||
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Incognito (7) 3- Kenpachi 4- sinani206 5- Nisani201 6- Curu 10- Mig 14- Forumite 15- risk-nuke wherebugsgo (0) Curu (4) 7- Incognito 8- NotChezinu 9- wherebugsgo 11- Sevryn Sevryn (1) 12- Dropbear NotChezinu (1) 16- Supersoft | ||
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On October 03 2011 03:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: After some deliberation with anonymous parties and research, I feel that Incog is more likely to be scum than Curu is. While I still find it difficult to believe that this would be Incog's scum play, go look through his posts in PYP insane as I was told to do. He was a very obvious town scum hunter. He was being immensely helpful to town and detrimental to the scum team. Incog's play this game has been far from his town play. ##vote Incognito Kill, kill, kill on command... Incog hasn´t even tried to make a token defence, no posts since voting after NotChezinu dropped his case on Curu. That´s 17 hours ago. Either he´s gone or given up. | ||
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On October 03 2011 07:53 wherebugsgo wrote: give your scumreads plain and clear so we can all see them. If you're mute you can't do anything else other than contribute in the thread. If you're town you shouldn't see anything wrong with being active and helpful, no? If you're scum obviously it'll be difficult for you to contribute. Provide your thoughts on the three players you think are most likely to be scum, please. Not now, I´m tired, angry, it´s night and I´ve only just started analyzing the game with the new flips taken into account. | ||
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On October 03 2011 08:45 wherebugsgo wrote: I never PMed you with options. I'm talking about who is PMing you/Forumite with this "pick option B 5" business Someone who is not you, who can PM, and who is not on my scumlist at the moment, and that´s all you need to know. Stop asking questions that you know if answered openly only benefit Scum. | ||
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On October 03 2011 20:08 Scamp wrote: Lucidity posted in this thread? Well, he trolled for a while, could be some info there. He might have PMed to people, unless you are Mute. | ||
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On October 04 2011 07:30 supersoft wrote: Who was roleblocked btw? Most likely noone. Mig was roleblocked Night 1, which puts the roleblock on cooldown Day 2 and Night 2. Now we are at Day 3, so the ability should be ready for use again. | ||
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On October 04 2011 08:12 Erandorr wrote: Uhm what about the engineer. I would surprised if it was not in the game. We should have one in the game, but he could for some reason have chosen the reloader or watcher abilities instead of the super-medic power. Or he just didn´t feel like protecting Mig. Just saying that we don´t know for a fact there´s no Medic/Teleport-Engineer, all we know is that if there are any left, they are morons. | ||
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On October 04 2011 08:35 Curu wrote: You seem to know an awful lot about the RBer Forumite. That wasn't how I interpreted it to work nor what is intuitive. Standard RBer would mean after it is used night 1 it can be used again night 2 (or if used day 1 it can be used again day 2, etc), which is how I interpreted it to work. Is Forumite's post the way the RBer works? Know your enemy. It´s in the OP, it says it can´t be used for a cycle, that´s a day and a night. If it was used during Night 1, then it was recharging during day 2 and night 2, and should be ready now. | ||
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On October 04 2011 08:44 NotChezinu wrote: You said it yourself, for balance reasons one of you/mig/me/incog has to be scum. I'm not scum, but the town is way to idiotic to see that. You are, although once again, the town isn't going to notice. So, trade? This is a stupid reason, almost as bad as claiming the actions of mods makes someone a confirmed Town. You might suspect Curu based on this, but it´s not proof, you need to back it up with something else. Also, when did you check your role-PM? | ||
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On October 04 2011 09:04 NotChezinu wrote: I spent 7 bloody hours writing an argument proving it with Incognito. I posted that same argument only to have everyone say "lol" and proceed to lynch the single best damn townie we had. I apologize if I'm not making *that* effort again any time soon. Find the post and read it again, ignore the part where I talk about Mig being manipulated if you don't find it convincing. Then realize it makes sense. You won't. You're too busy being scum or basking in the "curu confirmed town, lol" idea to see it. You didn´t answer, did you check your role-PM? | ||
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On October 04 2011 09:08 NotChezinu wrote: Oh, yes, day 1 ofc, I was just trolling with the whole "I don't know my alignment". Technically, the trolling of lying about reading it is not as bad as the trolling by not reading. I still think what you did was stupid and unhelpfull. | ||
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On October 05 2011 07:49 Kenpachi wrote: no wait, i think jcarlsoniv and supersoft are both mafia Found a scumslip? Care to elaborate? | ||
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On October 05 2011 17:09 wherebugsgo wrote: On its own, Forumite's play is also incredibly scummy. He's voted supersoft today (wtf?) instead of voting me, his #1 scumread, or any of the other possible lurkers in town. He could've voted sinani (the obvious choice if you're trying to vote a lurker, IMO) or DB, or sevryn, or risk.nuke, or xt. Instead, he voted supersoft, something I really don't understand. How do you know who I think is the scummiest player? Sure, you looked really bad to me earlier during Night 1, but having seen too many players who look scummy flip as Townies, I´ve been forced to reexamine my reads. It´s not something I felt like sharing at the time in case it drew even more attention to Mig, but I got a PM from him saying he thought you were very much Town, tntked said so in the thread, a statement that I could trust once he flipped green. They based it on your reaction Night 1, and while it´s not proof, two good players have gotten a strong Town-read from you, and that´s enough for me, for now. As for Sinani, I´ve been suspicious of him for a while. As he´s up for a lynch I might as well drop my read, and it´s that he definetly has some kind of role, this isn´t the sinani I remember, but which role can be debated, he could be scum, or blue, but he´s definetly not green. We´ve lost our most trusted Town-players, so I guess WBG will have to do. Send Sinani a PM where you ask him to roleclaim using codes, different for each blue role. See if you can trust his claim, and his nightactions. If he is a Blue role and we still lynch him, then talking to him in PMs will at least allow you to hear which nightactions he´s done, and the result, which will help later on. | ||
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On October 05 2011 20:42 supersoft wrote: sevryn i want everything you got, posted in the thread. i don't want to hear shit like this anymor: "aah i don't want scum to know my connections bla bla bla" i want your PMs right now. ##vote: sevryn if you are town, help us and defend yourself. if we don't lynch you we lynch xtfftc. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, DO PM ME AND I'LL CONVINCE YOU. Incog flipped Town, does that shake your theory about NC/xtfftc any, or does it fit your suspicions? | ||
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On October 05 2011 22:26 supersoft wrote: Ah, missed this post. doesn't shake anything regarding the two players. In that case, I assume this still applies too, right? You still think, despite Incogs flip, that either NC/xtfftc or WBG is scum? On October 02 2011 22:41 supersoft wrote: nisani201 doesn't have two votes ^_^ ##vote: NotChezinu btw. I favour him over incognito. One of the three is scum: wbg, incognito and NotChezinu. | ||
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On October 05 2011 23:31 supersoft wrote: lol i catched two reds here! forumite doesnt want to shoot his buddy! Just answer the question. Are you still basing your scumreads on the crappy Curu-case from yesterday? | ||
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On October 05 2011 23:41 supersoft wrote: DONT TRY TO DISTRACT HERE!!! GO AIM SEVRYN!!! Why won´t you answer my question? After everything that happened since Incogs lynch, why haven´t you taken a look at your scumlist, and reconsidered? At least you should be able to add some new evidence to the case on xtfftc, NC talked a lot after the lynch, right up until he was replaced. | ||
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On October 06 2011 00:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Rofl did we just catch all 3 scum? No, you didn´t. If you believe Supersoft then Town is really doomed. On October 06 2011 00:18 supersoft wrote: GO 4 THE SHOT FORUMITE! if you're town, it's one additional lynch today. we need this because we can reduce the scum KP to one even if we mislynch or misfire once!! and if you're no sniper it's not that bad for us. just go for the aim. I´m not helping you sniper-hunt. If the whole Town wants Sevryn dead then I will reconsider, but I´m not doing it on your order, especially not when you haven´t answered my question. You are stalling, just answer why you are still tunneling on NC+Incog+WBG when Incog has allready flipped, and WBG has turned into the most trusted Town. | ||
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On October 06 2011 00:54 wherebugsgo wrote: Forumite, shoot Sevryn. The entire town wants him dead. Also, where are you getting this idea that super thinks I am scum? Lol God you're terrible at scum dude He said yesterday, before Incog got lynched, that one of you, Incog and NC, must be scum, based on the crappy Curu-case. Supersoft acts as if he still believe in that old case when he´s gunning for NC's replacement without giving further reasons, and he has also refused to answer where he stands on the old case the last 5 times I asked him. It´s a simple question, why he thinks NC is scum, but he won´t answer it. Also I won´t aim until more people have chimed in. I want the whole Town to want Sevryn dead, or I´m not shooting. If I mishoot then we´re in bigger trouble than if I don´t shoot at all and Scum kills 2 of us, but if Sevryn is Town and I shoot him, then it´s 3 Town dead. I want us to be sure on this kill. | ||
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On October 06 2011 01:22 wherebugsgo wrote: Actually it's leading into him digging his own grave. Can we please consolidate votes onto one of sinani/Sevryn? We have 2/2/2 on each of them plus forumite If sinani hasn´t blueclaimed to WBG by now, then I´m leaning towards lynching him. | ||
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On October 06 2011 03:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Plus, people are most comfortable with lynching you. That´s what makes me hesitate on this lynch, too many want him dead. There were too many, too quickly, who called for a shot on Sevryn. Either he´s Town, or he´s Scum and there were no Scum other active at that time to argue against the shot. On October 06 2011 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote: I know that once someone is convinced someone else is scum, it is an extremely difficult task to convince them otherwise. I do not have the energy nor desire to bang my head against the wall trying to convince you that you are wrong. I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch. I don´t like these lines, coupled with him posting walls of text for the first time in this game when Erandarr called him out. Until now he didn´t appear to have any interest in helping Town win the game, but now that he´s accused he puts an effort into saving himself. That says something about priorities. I´m leaning toward lynching jcarl more than Sevryn right now. | ||
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On October 06 2011 04:51 supersoft wrote: shoot already forumite!!! your shot is an additional townlynch!! shoot sev already!! If Sevryn dies to a snipershot now, then several people will get modkilled for not voting. Who is your secondary target? | ||
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On October 06 2011 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote: wtf? no they won't. If they do then I will personally never join another Kurumi game ever again. You can choose not to shoot sevryn too. No matter what you do we'll be lynching you tomorrow anyway. We´ll take that tomorrow, today Sevryn dies to a lynch, not to me. | ||
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On October 06 2011 05:07 Sevryn wrote: hey forumite why wont you shoot me? Because it won´t do any difference to you, but it will make a huge difference to me. I´m not shooting you. There was a time 10 hours ago when it was up for debate, not enough people were okay with it, and that was that. I´m not changing the face of the game 2 hours before lynch, so just drop it. | ||
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On October 06 2011 05:31 supersoft wrote: Forumite is scum. if not, he's the worst townie ever by wasting our whole day with his USELESS claim!!! USELESS!!! No, you wasted the whole day by calling for shots. But that´s allright I guess, I expect you to get things done once I´m off the Sniperlist. | ||
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On October 06 2011 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Okay everyone vote Forumite now. If Forumite is for real a sniper sevryn will flip before the lynch, because there is 1.5 hours till the lynch. THIS SHOT CANNOT BE CANCELED IF HE'S ACTUALLY A SNIPER Our alternatives are Forumite/sinani. If anyone can give me a good reason why we should keep Forumite please post it. If you can provide a good reason I am for switching to sinani, but I will consider no other players. Erandorr is vouching for me, do you need anything more? The shot on Sevryn will fizzle, because I´m not a Sniper, now why are you not voting Sevryn right now? | ||
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On October 06 2011 05:56 supersoft wrote: why is he confirmed? He's not at all confirmed. You just think that he's confirmed. But his actions point towards RED. So do yours. Why did you push for me to shoot if you knew I wasn´t a Sniper? | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:00 supersoft wrote: i didn't know that. BECAUSE YOU DIDNT TELL ME. You claimed sniper. and you claimed vet. You know what i think. You are red. That's it. I claimed Sniper in the thread, because I was LYING TO SCUM! I was trying to draw hits, and you ruined it. Erandorr told you not to push this, it was YOU who messed it all up, for no reason at all. Pushing for me to shoot was extremely Pro-Scum. | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:06 wherebugsgo wrote: This is bullshit. Don't blame someone else for pointing out your scumminess when YOU don't know how to play your OWN role. If you were a vet why wouldn't you act like a townie and try to get shot? Instead you do things that could be interpreted from a dumb town/scum angle and you do stupid shit like FoS me, tnkted, super, etc. You haven't had a real scumread all game and now you blame him for "blowing your cover?" Good god you're bad. Oh please, you just needed to listen to Erandorr and/or ask me to claim in a PM, and you´d have known what I was up to, or you know, you could have just trusted Erandorr at his word. All you needed to do was back off. | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:17 wherebugsgo wrote: and like I said earlier, I don't give a hoot what your role is. You can role claim whatever you want, that doesn't change the fact that your play has been extremely anti-town for the majority of today. Playing my role means I needed to lie, tough, it´s your own fault for now knowing when to back off. | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:21 wherebugsgo wrote: False, townies never need to lie. Your fault for not knowing how to play as a good townie. Good townies will get shot. Why do you think Mig got shot? Cause he lied, I guess? If you're really town, you make me mad. Seriously. Townies lie if they are trying a gamble, this was a gamble. Now stop tunneling and kill Sevryn. | ||
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On October 07 2011 01:16 wherebugsgo wrote: How can both jcarl and I be scum? We faked several hour-long conversations? Good point. Where do you think scum hide then? Sinani+Sevryn+Jcarl? | ||
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If you want to know, send me a PM of your top scumcandidates, otherwise I´d prefer to gather a solid case before I make it public. We have 2 days left in the day, and I don´t have the time to read through the whole thread at the moment. | ||
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wherebugsgo is scum WBGs motivations around the Palmar lynch was to disrupt discussion. The next day NC+Incog+WBG did the case on Curu, which was one of the reasons that two of those players got lynched, that´s 2 days wasted, worth risking one scum. He did the customary early weak FoS on jcarl, but once we got to the lynch, he was the primary defender of jcarl, actively disputing Erandorr but also pushing and joining other lynches, like those on Sevryn, risk.nuke, sinani, me, and of course one of the players joining the mislynch on xtfftc. In all of this he´s said that Jcarl wasn´t just an unlikely scum, and an unsure lynch (no clear connections to others, this was repeated a few times), but that he must be Town, and adamantly defended him, at least until the lynch was decided, right after he posted that he really do consider jcarl. On October 06 2011 07:21 wherebugsgo wrote: can we kill sinani tomorrow? I'll consider jcarl/sevryn too. We need to keep an eye on risk as well. This one is really bad, WBG explained his Townread by quoting something in PM-land, something that Erandorr didn´t buy. Obviously he was wrong or lying, or jcarl is just that good at fooling people. I´m leaning towards lying. On October 06 2011 01:44 wherebugsgo wrote: Erandor have you not been reading the PMs I've sent you? Jesus jcarl is not scum you thickhead WBG has been very active in the thread and in PMs, he´s been putting himself out there, messing things up, causing confusion, while his allies have been allowed to lurk. If Town starts to hunt lurkers, then he´s safe, if Town hunt active Townies, then Jcarl would have been safe. In the end, there are 2 things that really speak against a WBG lynch. First Mig told me that WBG got scared when Jackal and I were aiming for him, and revealed his scumreads. Also Mig thought NC and Incog were more likely scum, and were manipulating WBG. That´s been cleared up, of those 3 only one possible scum remain. Second, WBG and jcarl have posted some long conversations, but not even this is a very good defence. Jcarl has been very quiet in the thread and PM-land, by all accounts, except his own. I´m seriously considering that WBG and jcarl faked those conversations, to pass the time, and to make sure they wouldn´t get tied together at endgame. It would definetly explain why jcarl didn´t feel like lurking. ##Vote wherebugsgo | ||
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On October 08 2011 13:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Keep in mind these were all before I talked to DB in PMs. After I talked to DB in PMs I had a strong feeling he was town. At this point to be honest with all of you the only player I can say I really think is scum is sevryn. After that we've got one scum among 6 players so I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find the last one if we just pressure everybody. ##vote Sevryn Could you please clarify, and perhaps forward the talk between you and DB that convinced you that jcarl was Town? | ||
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On October 09 2011 03:26 wherebugsgo wrote: No, you misunderstood that. In the logs I gave you of my talk with jcarl, I say that DB is scummy. Then I talked to DB a couple hours later and the way he talked to me suggested he was a townie. I can provide those logs if necessary, I'll add them when I'm on a computer. Got it. However that doesn´t explain why you were so sure that Jcarl was Town. What did you base this on? | ||
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On October 09 2011 09:41 Sevryn wrote: I am a drunk demoman why would i be worried about dieing? only scum and blues are worried about dieing because when scum die town gains more information about their team thats why when scum know they are dieing they stop talking. If i get lynched who else do you think is scummy? Craplogic, of course you are worried about dying as Town, no matter your role, because mislynches at this time will likely lose the game for Town. You are just helping Scum if you don´t defend yourself. Also, seriously, your defence is that even if we lynch you, finding your scumbuddy will be hard? | ||
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##Unvote wherebugsgo ##Vote Sevryn | ||
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Supersoft, do you remember when I answered your PM with a post of my own? That was my claim. If you feel like confirming, send me a PM with what you think I claimed as. If you want my opinions on anything, add it in the PM as statements, and I´ll answer if I agree or disagree with them. Dropbear, claim to Supersoft, please? | ||
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Does the Heavy/Heavies want to reveal what Supersoft was on about? If we´re lynching WBG, I´d prefer to know the whole case. | ||
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On October 11 2011 07:51 Kenpachi wrote: through PM But when? Just now or early in the game? | ||
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Couldn´t that have been an attempt to distance himself? Probably not, too risky, it wasn´t like DB was looking Town before, so even if Nisani would have been shot and miraculously flipped Scum, he would probably not have gotten off the hook, and with one less scum that´s just helping Town. Anyway, I´ll worry about Nisani if WBG flips Town. ##Vote wherebugsgo | ||
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5 speaks in WBGs favor, faking logs might be too much work. 1 speaks against WBG, mig among others thought there must have been a scum behind that case, that it didn´t work doesn´t matter, because NC/xt and Incog got lynched thanks to it. Getting 2 townies lynched for one Scum is decent from Scums perspective, especially as it ties up 3 days of activity and discussion. | ||
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On October 11 2011 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote: Yes, DB defended me because he was tying himself to me. I defended DB because of the information I got from Curu and what DB kept posting in the thread. Honestly if it was false that DB was looking for a replacement I think that should be some sort of warnable offense. I actually believed DB was more town because he said he was looking for a replacement and was giving me his reads. Alarm bells should've gone off when he said literally everyone except Sevryn was null, though. I kinda pushed it to the back of my mind since Curu said DB was townish to him and I was getting the same vibe simply based on the fact that DB was talking to me when he said he was looking for a replacement. That's an assumption I know I'll never make again. Had I ignored that I think I probably would've seen DB was scum. Don´t use DB looking for a replacement and not getting warned as evidence. The ways of Kurumi are mysterious. Did you convey any of these talks and reads on DB in the thread? | ||
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On October 11 2011 09:11 risk.nuke wrote: Oh fucking come on. Let me brake it down. Hammer Time? | ||
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On October 11 2011 09:18 Kenpachi wrote: Imo, we have to kill WBG and Nisani. risk, i will defend to be a townie Why Nisani now? | ||
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On October 11 2011 09:26 Kenpachi wrote: Intuition So you believe DB was trying to distance himself from Nisani by calling a shot on him? | ||
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On October 11 2011 09:34 Kenpachi wrote: based on the information given now, Its really hard to say Me, Risk, or you are mafia. Its process of elimination at this point Just making sure, you appear to be reasonably sure risk is Town, or at least risking it. Right now I consider Kenpachi to be confirmed Town, and everyone else suspicious, but I´ll trust Kenpachi's reads for now, which makes todays lynch simple. We kill WBG. | ||
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Kenpachi, could you take a closer look at risk and Nisani, see what makes either more likely as Town? If WBG flips Town and it´s me, risk and Nisani tomorrow, then I´d like to have as good a read on them as possible. | ||
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Nisani, do you have logs of having spoken to a Scum? | ||
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On October 11 2011 16:47 wherebugsgo wrote: DB spoke to risk on day 1 and risk gave me those logs. Based on that, and seeing as we haven't seen any scum to scum logs yet, I think we should lynch Nisani. risk, is it true that DB gave you those logs on WBG, and if so, when did he give them to you? | ||
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On October 11 2011 16:47 wherebugsgo wrote: DB spoke to risk on day 1 and risk gave me those logs. Based on that, and seeing as we haven't seen any scum to scum logs yet, I think we should lynch Nisani. On October 11 2011 20:21 risk.nuke wrote: DB haven't given me any logs, I think you misread. Okay, I´m not quite following. WBG says that DB and risk spoke on day 1, and that risk gave those logs to WBG. Are there logs of DB and risk speaking or not, and are they to be found? | ||
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On October 12 2011 12:19 wherebugsgo wrote: risk.nuke scum, calling it now | ||
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On October 13 2011 01:48 wherebugsgo wrote: You're gonna have it rough Forumite, sorry to say. Also my call is completely useless. It's still pretty much a coinflip, since Nisani disappeared for a very long time when he was asked for those logs. Granted, they seem genuine. Good luck lol He might have faked them, but I doubt Nisani would have sat down all by himself and written a fake conversation. Perhaps scum organised conversations between eachother for just this situation, I don´t know. Tomorrow will be tough. | ||
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Flip scum, cmon, flip scum! *fingers crossed* | ||
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On October 13 2011 07:07 risk.nuke wrote: Will the game end now if the last last scum is a sniper? I have a bad feeling about this... | ||
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On October 13 2011 08:28 risk.nuke wrote: 1 of them is vet, 1 of them is a liar. you and I are not a vet. Anyway I didn't think about vets. Sorry I got confused and sidetracked by some of what I and bugs said earlier. Looks like you have a 50% chance to win tomorrow, shoot the vet and you loose. | ||
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Lynch Nisani once I´m dead. With Risk and Kenpachi alive, you have enough to lynch him. | ||
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I think the GMs are asleep, I´ll know in the morning what happened, if the shot went through. | ||
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Food for thought, remember how risk acted after WBG was lynched? His first post after the flip felt like him faking being shocked, the next one felt at the time as if he was trying to end the game then and there, if he was the Sniper at least. However if he isn´t the Sniper, the why would he ask something like that? We´ll know if there is a Sniper in the pair. If there isn´t, then risk´s acting after the lynch look like a Town worrying about having allready lost. Those posts make him scum only if (1) he is the Sniper and waits to shoot when he can win the game with a shot or (2) he is vanilla scum who faked looking like the Sniper in order to absolve himself of suspicion by fakeaiming today. As he aimed (thereby throwing away the last advantage he had if he was a Sniper), that makes risk either Town or really, really sneaky. If it goes through, then Nisani is most likely a Sniper trying to hide his shot behind a fakeaim, if it doesn´t go though then risk is probably Town, leaving Nisani as the last scum. -OR- risk is scum because I got shot tonight. two players were claiming Heavies. If Nisani was scum, then he would know I was most likely a Heavy, and would have avoided shooting me. Risk on the other hand thought one of us was fakeclaiming Heavy to hide a Blue role, therefore he shot me, in the hope that I wasn´t a Heavy at all. Damnit... Two reasonings, either risk is scum, or he isn´t, and both makes sense. | ||
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The shot hasn´t come through, from that and the nightaction, Nisani looks better, and risk looks much worse. ##Vote risk.nuke | ||
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On October 14 2011 20:16 risk.nuke wrote: Was a shot fired tonight or not. Forumite if what you say is true and you were shot tonight. Then Nisani is the scum 100%. Nisani if you are town. It means that Forumite is lying. No shot went of tonight and this is Forumites scheme. Explain to me, why can´t you be scum despite me getting shot tonight? You were the only one who didn´t know where Veterans hide, you were the only one who could have shot a veteran, thinking he was lying. Two veterans, either both are telling the truth, or Nisani is scum. If Nisani is lying, then he must be fairly sure that I´m a real Veteran, and shooting me doesn´t do anything. I was shot, so I can´t see why Nisani must be the one. From my perspective, a veteran who just got shot, the only one who could have done it is risk. I´m not buying it risk, you shot me, thinking I was lying about being a veteran, then you try to make a bad case about how the next lynch must be between me and Nisani to cover up your mistake. | ||
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If we are going by who accused who, then WBG would have been scum, because Dropbear defended him. Jcarl accused risk of being scum, Dropbear tried to get Nisani shot by the Town vigilante, scum tried to get both of you killed. Anyway we can´t believe what they have said, they are lying scum, they lie to get Town lynched, and lie to make it hard to find the other scum. Just because jcarl said you were scummy doesn´t make you Town, especially not since you were never close to getting lynched while jcarl was alive. | ||
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I´m not 100% sure on this, but at least I´m confident that we´re lynching the scummiest player. If we´re wrong, that Nisani is the one, then it´s because scum play good, not because Town play bad. | ||
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I would more seriously consider the evidence on Nisani if there was anything besides him playing just like risk.nuke does. I can´t see much difference between how those two players have acted, except for risk's scummyness the last night and day. | ||
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On October 16 2011 07:15 syllogism wrote: No Forumite, it wasn't risk.nuke's fault that you lynched him instead of nisani If you look scummy then you get lynched. | ||
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Didn´t look scummy after the first day, and several veteran got a Town-read from me. Your DT-check helped. Does anyone disagree with the last lynch? Not of the flip, but why we lynched risk instead of Nisani based on what we knew at that time? In hindsight the logs Nisani produced were perhaps a bit too convenient, and risk´s sniper-comment during the night was a towntell, but it´s always easier when you know the answer. | ||
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On October 16 2011 07:59 Nisani201 wrote: I forged the logs all by myself. I simply used real logs of myself talking to scumbuddies, while replacing the text with fake conversations on reads. I think it was WBG who reacted to how long it took you to get back with those logs after being asked. I dismissed it as unimportant =/ | ||
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On October 16 2011 09:15 wherebugsgo wrote: I would've lynched Nisani as soon as he faked sniper shot after risk. Could you explain how you think there? If it went through then I agree, but why is he scum even if the shot didn´t go through? | ||
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On October 16 2011 10:15 wherebugsgo wrote: and that's a townie reaction how? lol That´s what I meant, it was a scumtell, but with the quick apology, it looked more like a mistake to me. | ||
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On October 17 2011 00:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Our scum team was extremely unorganized at the beginning What was your general tactic? Stay away from eachother? There were many suspecting those involved with the curu-plot, but scum had nothing to do with that, right? | ||
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On October 17 2011 02:34 risk.nuke wrote: Yeah, the problem was I had problems buying into the fact that a mafia on the decisive day would just sit back and do nothing. Meanwhile I wasn't sure on Forumite but was dead set I was the red, I'm 90% sure he didn't read the jcarllogs before dismissing them and it seemed as such bad townplay that I became even more suspicious at him. I didn't know for sure it was you untill your final post. And balls if that is not the one time I don't have any time. About the jcarl logs, I dismissed them as WIFOM from scum, and since they were not brought up at the endgame, I forgot about them. They might have helped. Does anyone know who brought them up? I´d like to check them again. | ||
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