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HOW TO AVOID A DAY 1 SHITSTORM by Radfield Raddisson The key to avoiding a crappy Day 1 culminating in a no-evidence townie lynch is to figure out our priorities. What do we actually want on Day 1? First, we want to get everyone down on paper. Thoughts, feelings, vibes, etc. I really don't care what you're saying right now, I just want you to say it. Second, establish a baseline of activity. PlayerA makes 20 posts Day 1 and 5 Day 2, that's a problem since there is very little to talk about on Day 1 and a whole lot more on Day 2. Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to: Step 4. Hold your votes. Slamming votes around 6-12 hours into the game is not productive. Take off your scum-goggles and allow people to post. Have a suspicious person in mind? Great, sit on it and let them keep posting. See if they keep posting scummy stuff.... THEN attack them. All players should be keeping a spreadsheet with notes/roles/activity levels/ etc. Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment. Are there helpful tips in my post? Absolutely. Have I said anything remotely game related? Absolutely not. Anyone can talk in generalities. Anyone can offer advice. Honestly, I cannot stress how important it is to keep a spreadsheet. If you don't know who's still alive in the game, or who claimed what, or which players voted for whom, then how can you make informed decisions? | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: this isnt a pm game so we dont need a confirmed townie the only real use of a confirmed townie is its a center for everyone to claim to Confirmed townies are always good. They are a voice that every town player can trust to be legit, and one less player they have to worry about being scum. Every game I play is basically a process of finding town aligned players and sifting through the rest. | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:49 JeeJee wrote: Oh man radfield is in this game Ladies and gentlefolk, place your bets! Who dies first, me or radfield?! YOU'RE ON! | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:55 heist wrote: I don't know know what it does, but I want it really bad. On another note, Radfield what's up with your vote? Which vote would that be? | ||
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Keep it secret, Keep it safe. | ||
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On September 17 2011 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: From the looks of the OP there will be more than one faction in this game. I don't know much about LoTR lore actually. Are there any neutral characters/factions that might make sense in the context of the game? I know Tom Bombadil was kind of a neutral figure right? He was just concerned about his forest or whatever What makes you think that there will be more than one faction? On September 17 2011 09:48 heist wrote: That I did. Apologies. And you're right. Once the mafia have the ring, it's theirs forever unless we have a hero vigi shot since mafia about to be lynched can pass it off. Will we be notified if the ring changes hands either through giving it away or death? I think it likely that scum players will not be able to pass the ring amongst each other. First, that defeats the ring passing mechanic of the game. Second, the OP specifically mentions that some roles will not be able to freely pass the ring. Of all the roles in the game, surely no evil LOTR character would have the willpower to give up the ring. | ||
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On September 17 2011 10:12 OriginalName wrote: I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread. In case you hadn't noticed, this player is currently Greymist. | ||
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On September 18 2011 00:00 chaos13 wrote: Already discussed it. VI or Jester. Agree? Disagree. There's no need to be so blatant as a VI. Perhaps he just wants the ring.... either way though, he's shown himself to be active and contributory in his past few games. Either he picks it up or he doesn't, but we're not lynching based on him spamming about the ring. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote: Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymist asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. On September 17 2011 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist I don't think our mod would hand the ring off to an evil player day 1. It's probably with a Frodo , Bilbo, or Gollum if we have any of those roles. So we know Greymist either has a protown power that is greatly amplified by the one ring, or is part of a neutral/evil faction that needs the ring for some reason. And Chaoser is right. We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1. These are foolish reasons to be voting for a player. It's far more often townies who make posts like that than it is mafia. You both know better than that. I don't understand the hostility for Trancestorm. | ||
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On September 17 2011 23:14 Ciryandor wrote: Where is JeeJee BTW? We're missing plenty of players right now, why are you so focused on Jeejee? | ||
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On September 17 2011 23:30 Jackal58 wrote: What would you like me to say? The discussion regarding the ring and its mechanics is fucking useless speculation? There I said it. The only thing I saw comment worthy was Bug's request for the ring. He has since claimed to be Sauron and Gollem. But you guys want to keep speculating on the mechanics of the ring. You're missing the point of Day 1 Jackal. You can't find scum with no posts in the thread, which is why we need something to talk about. Of course it's useless speculation. But guess what, if someone has to take paragraphs to discuss the ring and alignments, and then clams up when we actually have votes to discuss, that makes the discussion worthwhile. There's no need for the aggression. | ||
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On September 18 2011 00:39 chaos13 wrote: Radfield what do you think about the possibility of xt being scum? He has as good a chance as pretty much any other player flipping scum at this point. However, If you're referring to this post: On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. I would call it a null-tell. Scum players don't typically make such blatantly poor statements, but obviously making a bunk statement doesn't buy you townie cred by any means. What I agree that none of the current players up for discussion (Greymist, WBG) are good lynches at this point. We'll have much more to go on by tomorrow. There are already several players who have piqued my interest, but time will tell. | ||
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On September 18 2011 01:05 chaos13 wrote: Another thing people seem to view as a big scumtell is contradictions. Unless that contradiction is something along the lines of "I think Player A is definitely scum" and then six posts later "Player A is not someone I want to lynch today", or someone contradicts themselves while explaining a claim, then it is usually not a mafia tell. I've seen contradictions used as points of analysis in a lot of games recently, and they've been wrong very often. Agreed. I also think that xt's post is being misinterpreted. I don't think he was actually pushing for a random lynch, rather that he felt our lynch should be outside the current players being discussed. I don't think anyone ever actually advocates for a RNG lynch. | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:36 Cyber_Cheese wrote: So basically you want people to say "I had the ring guys, I managed to pass it off, but I'm not saying to who" and maybe list it's effects? We can't be sure evil players can't pass the ring, and if the person who claimed to have got rid of it was telling the truth or not. There is way too much uncertainty, and I believe only a non-town party would be trying to push a bad plan to get the ring Unless you can come up with a really good reason you care so much about the ring bearer ##Vote TranceStorm This is a bunk vote. Bad plans are pushed all the time, mostly by townies as scum generally have very little motivation to push a bad plan. Bad plans need refinement, not votes. Fact is, if the player who has the ring DOES pass it, he should likely claim. Either he is counterclaimed later when frodo/bilbo actually passes it, or he is confirmed. It doesn't help us immensely, but it certainly doesn't hinder. | ||
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On September 18 2011 01:13 chaoser wrote: A person who IS a good lynch target? prplhz. Look over his (5) posts. They are either heavily involved with the stories or not helpful at all. He then continues to talk about ring speculation. He also talks about how everyone needs to be active and how there is more important things to talk about and yet doesn't talk about anything else except that we should vote amongst two people and they should have similar votes. He's in Denmark so he should have posted more already, especially about the WBG and trancestorm posts. ##vote: prplhz Agree 100%, though I would've preferred to wait until tomorrow to call him out. In particular, playing the angry townie regarding 'spam and speculation' and then continuing to contribute to it is highly suspicious. | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:11 Navillus wrote: 6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.) As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me. Are you planning on paying attention to this one? Also, if you're complaining about getting VT then you're playing mafia wrong. Vanilla Townie is my favorite role to have, I vastly prefer it to either red or blue as it allows me to focus solely on scum hunting without fear of death. If I could be vt every game I would. On September 18 2011 02:14 Drazerk wrote: Posting restrictions are definitely in place. As for me jumping on the gray bandwagon I actually pointed out the ring rubbish before Choaser but I am currently leaning on WBG being the more likely scum member now. Ill be gone for the next couple of hours so sorry about any sort of inactivity. Are you insinuating you have a posting restriction? On September 18 2011 02:24 iGrok wrote: Greymist's thing is not something to lynch for, but it is something to remember in the future. But he is someone to keep an eye on. I think whoever said WBG is probably gollum with a post restriction is right. But Drazerk has my biggest suspicions today, and lynching him will also give us the most information so far, both about greymist and the others who jumped on him. So, ##Vote Drazerk What suspicions are those? Not to mention how bout we lynch to kill scum, instead of lynching to figure out information. | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:35 heist wrote: These kind of posts are exactly what we can't allow to just slide by. You are just posting aggressive little one-liners that aren't exactly contributing much to town discussion. If you disagree with someone, I would ask that you flesh out your ideas more and provide your thoughts on specific players. As a side note, the reason we want at least two majority candidates is it forces everyone to make a choice. If we have just one easy target everyone votes for, we will gain absolutely no information based on the lynch since everyone voted the same. Being forced to choose creates liability and patterns will start to emerge that can be worked with. If the situation is 1 townie and 1 scum on the chopping block, and the mafia try to swing majority votes for the townie, that's a lot of information that we can use. Far more likely is two townies on the chopping block, but that's fine too. As long as we're not allowing players to vote with reasons like ' lol scumslip' or the like. Which as you say, means no easy lynchees. We're not looking for players who make scummy or nonsensical posts. We're looking for players with careful posts, blech voting reasons, neutral stances and mediocre activity. So far there are several. | ||
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OK, we have good players to lynch and bad ones: WBG is a terrible lynch. Massive FoS on any player stating that our best plan is to lynch someone who might be a serial killer or third party. Town only lynches serial killers when we desperately need to limit KP or when we are winning. NEVER ON DAY 1. Lynching a supposed third party gives us absolutely no information on scum. The main purpose of Day 1 is not even to lynch anti-town players, of course that's a bonus, but our real goal is getting a paper trail. Lynching a third party or a lurker does not accoplish that. FoS on Dr H, Errador and the other two or three players who posted this as their reason for voting. That being said, we have several good lynch targets: Pyo, prp, cyr and ON are all good targets. Jackal I'm unsure of right now, at first he stunk of an easy lynch, but his post about WBG is absurd. However I've never seen him contribute Day 1 before, so I don't know why he would start now. In two hours I'm going to decide which of the 4 I(and we) should be voting for. I'm leaning heavily towards ON or cyr right now, but am more than happy to vote prp if it comes down to him or WBG. Pyo seems so scummy he may not be scum. What's that? I'm going to start up a new lynch target with only hours to go? MAYBE. Ideally we would all give our reasons and vote at the extreme end of Day 1, as that is when we have the most info to go off of. Plenty of players are around, and without majority vote it isn't particularly difficult to swing votes onto a good case. | ||
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1. Low-Mid range activity 2. Vote Contradictions 3. Paragraphy vote posts with BS reasoning 4. 'Contribution' posts that say nothing + Show Spoiler + Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea) If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation. First post details that WBG is probably just trolling, and while stupid, isn't really worth much attention. Frankly I agree, but whoops with his second real post Errandor is now willing to vote out WBG: + Show Spoiler + I want Wbg out of this. If he is town aligned then hes just shitting up the thread and then doing some analysis which doesnt help us because we have to spend so much time dealing with all his other crap. If he is anything else we want him dead anyway so I am totally cool with that. And I really cant imagine that he has a post restriction that makes him post like a complete idiot half of the time . ## Vote Wbg We've gone from WBG trolling to now being worthy of getting lynched day 1. This is the most BS post in the thread right now. First we have the contradiction. Second we have the justification that even if he is town, he's worth getting rid of. NOPE. I realize that's not precisely what's been written, but that is absolutely the intent. Third, this is a complete and utter bandwagon. WBG picks up a couple votes, and Erandorr slides into the scene. Fourth you add in a bit of extra post restriction business which does nothing but cut him down. This is not why we vote! This entire post is showing that Errandor justification for voting WBG is not in fact that he's scum, but rather a bad townie who deserves to die. An hour and a half later, Errandor posts this: "Okay I read the whole thread now." Whoops scum slip. Why are you voting for a player AND THEN reading the thread? Not how townies play. This is all followed by a bunch more suspicion on WBG, but no actual points against him: + Show Spoiler + I forgot to vote earlier but lets just get wbg out of the game, I feel really uncomfortably by what he was doing. The reason I want you out is that you clearly have an agenda other than catching scum. That just makes me uncomfortable. You now seem to start contributing, but still will not tell us why you behave the way you do. you dont ask for the ring in every post, so its clearly not that, and just trolled at the start and messed up the thread. I agree with most of your targets, actually, but could you just go back to xliv and compare your behaviour now to that of palmar and then remember how that turned out? To paraphrase: "You're actually playing good now, but you trolled before. You're targets are all good, but your behaviour is bad" It's hard to justify killing townies when you're scum isn't it? Errandor is very scummy, and likely the best vote we'll get: ##Vote: Erandorr | ||
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On September 19 2011 05:05 Vain wrote: Well at least this looks better than than the 3 other cases. I didn't even know he posted that much>.> I will be switching votes due to my first suspicion only being based on a feeling. Though i'll be weary of dr. H I don't necessarily disagree on Dr H, but no matter what his alignment he'll be active. Time will tell if he's scum or not. Since you're here DocH, what are you're thoughts on Errandor. Do you still find WBG suspicious despite the upswing in his posting? On September 19 2011 05:09 syllogism wrote: And yes, Erandorr is a solid candidate as far as newer players go Solid enough for you to vote for him? | ||
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On September 19 2011 05:29 Navillus wrote: Okay why on earth do we have 2 people attempting to start new wagons with like 3 hours until lynch, we are not lynching supersoft or erandorr today and if you leave your votes there for the lynch you'll be my first targets come tomorrow. We have tons of time left. Decide who you think is most scummy, nothing less. On September 19 2011 05:42 Jackal58 wrote: What I have learned about my day 1 reads. 95% of the time I'm wrong. What I have learned about my day 3 reads. 75% of the time I'm right. That's why I die night 2. The only thing I'm fairly confident of right now is Bugs is most likely 3rd party. I'd rather lynch 3rd party than mislynch a townie. This is where we disagree. I would much rather mislynch a townie day 1 then kill a third party. I care ~1% about a third party(even a SK) at this point in the game, and even successfully lynching him tells us absolutely nothing about the mafia. Town should be looking for scum, why are you so desperate to find a third party? + Show Spoiler + Don't be afraid of being wrong on Day 1. It's really not that important, simply try your hardest every time to lynch scum, and try to keep the thread on track at the same time | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:41 GreYMisT wrote: Until what Erandorr posted fully comes out, I still think prp is our best lynch target. Take a look at this post. This post sounds like scum tried to convince himself and everyone else that the votes piling up on him will just go away. Look at his defeatist attitude as well. Townies dont/shouldnt just "give up" when they have a wagon piling up on them. they begin scumhunting as best as they can to find a better target. Scum, on the other hand, do give up because they know there isnt going to be a better target. Also, at the very end he feebly deflects attention to WBG because he might be a 3rd party, instead of looking for scum targets. Lets assume there is very little missing from Erandorr's defense. Why are you giving him a free pass?Do you still think prp is a better target than Erandorr? | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote: If this is true Erandorr needs to die. Will however wait until I read the edited text before switching my vote just in case your lying. Drazerk why would you assume that Kita is lying when Erandorr basically reposted exactly what Kita said: On September 19 2011 06:30 Erandorr wrote: I guess I will try again: I make a decent lynch target when I filtered myself but I actually still do think that wbg is a good target, because his behaviour has been off. First what I considered trolling then claiming posting restrictions and then going back to posting normally like he didnt have one. And doing all that without giving a clear reason. Thats not weird to you in any way? This is an absurdly feeble defense. In fact, it's not even a defence, it's a redirect. Of course WBG's posts have been strange, no one can deny that. But plenty of town players have opened games by playing 'poorly' to attract sheep votes and bs votes.... like yours. Does this mean WBG is town? Of course not, but it certainly doesn't make him scum either. Add to the fact that his posting dramatically improved as the day went on and you find someone more likely to be town than scum. If his posting/activity level stays high than he stays, if it deteriorates than we vig him, by no means do we use a lynch on someone who the vast majority of the players think is "probably not mafia but..." | ||
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On September 19 2011 05:19 Palmar wrote: Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting. WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it. I'll be voting for Errandor. I think you're swell too Palmar. What do you think about ON/Pyo/prp? | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:12 Erandorr wrote: So to make it clear, out of all those accused right now, you think I am the most likely to flip scum after I die? Absolutely. And to be clear, you think WBG is most likely to flip mafia? | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:32 chaoser wrote: Radfield, I'm all for voting eraddorr off especially given his "wrong thread" lie. I still however think prplhz is mafia. You once said "I agree 100%". Was wondering what you opinion on him now is. Prp is blech. He has veered away somewhat from my Day 1 metrics, and he certainly seems to be posting more freely and less neutrally. I would put him at 2/5 on the scum-town meter. | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:43 chaoser wrote: You got drunk in 21 minutes while on the road posting from your iPhone? That's some party... | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:45 iGrok wrote: Ok, lets review. Who of the following are the scummiest? Palmar - Not doing much so far Radfield - Has been active. Pulled wagons off GreyMist and WBG, onto Errandor. Suspicious. Syllogism - Was active early on in Ring discussions. prplhz - Leaving this until later kitaman27 - No great analysis, but decent reasons for voting and has worked to pressure OriginalName - After watching him play in Resurrection, he's playing the same way. Minimum contribution to avoid focus. Vain - 1 liners except to defend prplhz Erandorr - somehow appeared on his own vote list? TranceStorm - I see a connection between TranceStorm and Radfield forming when I filter him. TS often references Radfield's arguements. TS also attacked prplhz early on You tell us iGrok. Who's the scummiest on that list? You seem to have decided not to answer your own question. By the way, I found someone to add to your list: iGrok - suspicious of Drazerk, oops not suspicious of Drazerk anymore. Wants to lynch WBG to see what his role does. Contributes absolutely nothing to the eradorr/prp lynch discussion. Makes a list of a seemingly random segment of players Who's the scummiest person on your list now? | ||
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On September 20 2011 03:36 wherebugsgo wrote: If that's arrogance and you guys don't want me to play, I'll replace out. You're playing fine, don't sub out, just settle down a bit. Reading your posts it feels like you're jumping up and down in your seat while typing. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 03:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: You seem so convinced that giving WBG the ring will get them out of the game. I don't know why you're so convinced.. However, the fact that Jackal keeps repeating this after being called out on it several times surprises me. It doesn't logically make sense as scum play. I would expect scum to drop it after a while. However, he seems really locked into his point of view on this, which I would expect more from a town player. Now, I definitely want people to keep the list of votes on erandorr in the back of their minds: Palmar Radfield Syllogism prplhz kitaman27 OriginalName Vain TranceStorm xtffc Think about how quickly the bandwagon formed and filled up. I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. Before Radfield's post, prpl was leading the lynch vote. This has only made me more suspicious of prpl, and it makes me really want to take a deep look into Radfield. Looking down the list, I see Palmar at the very top. His posts consist of: + Show Spoiler + hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting. WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it. I'll be voting for Errandor. filter Still in good mood, cba telling you why you're having a case of the bads. I don't like the case on prplhz either. DrH is giving me really bad vibes. These all wreak of uselessness. It also connects Palmar and Radfield. The little, scummy bandwagon that started on Erandorr starts with them. We also see prplhz jumping onto the Erandorr votes quickly. When I saw kitaman's name on the list, it made me realize just how little he had done this game. If you filter his posts, you won't find much of anything. It's mostly a lot of posts asking others their opinions, and not giving his own. In the couple posts that he did have opinions in, they were weak and not definitive. I'm definitely watching kita. You better start actually contributing. Lastly (for now): You cannot expect to say something like this and get away with it. You got some 'splainin to do. Erandorr was a fine lynch. Everyone seems to be coming out of the woodworks right now softballing suspicion on me, but it's awful easy to shout that after the lynch. You didn't feel confident enough to argue against it because you thought there was a decent chance he would flip scum, same as me. As far as Day 1 votes go, he was the best I had to offer, and better in my opinion than prp and much better than WBG. You're attempted linking of me to a non-contributing player is noted. Particularly after he blatantly buddy-buddied me. If I flip town tonight is that supposed to give Palmar townie cred? However you do have some good points. The bandwagon on Erandorr grew incredibly quick, and if prp does flip red, that gives us a ton of info. Frankly I screwed up yesterday. Not about lynching Erandorr, but about the timing. I thought Day was ending several hours later than it did, and forgot that it had been pushed up by 2-3 hours. 8 votes in 2 hours is exceptionally swift. This is the cause of 1 of 2 things: A good Day 1 case when there are no others(possible), or, a swing from a scum lynch to a town lynch(also possible). Frankly the whole Erandorr voting list is filled with players who look bad: Palmar has done nothing, Syllo On and stffc look scummy. Vain and Kita I don't know right now, but will look into if I'm still alive in 40 minutes. I have much more to say but have to run. My post isn't supposed to end here, but I have to go. Will be back in a couple hours _____________ WBG looks town, Navillus looks townish too Cyber looks awful, but town awful, not scum awful, which is exactly how he looked in Hesmyrrs game. Palmar needs to step it up or die. Same for Syllo. Sandro, Doc H and Chaoser need to keep actively contributing as the game goes on, or else they need to die. | ||
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Kita is posting fluff right now. However, the only other game I played with him he made it to day 6 as town and posted very little quality content. Please step it up Vain is non-existant right now and has 1 real post in apprx 7 posts. Excellent scum candidate. Please contribute more Vain. Also, Jackal is itching all my scum spots right now. Originally I had him written off as Day 1 Jackal, but a closer inspection makes him look alot dirtier. First he spent several posts deriding those players discussing ring mechanics. The discussion regarding the ring and its mechanics is fucking useless speculation? Ask yourself, what did Jackal spend the rest of the day doing? Speculating, Assuming and even VOTING based on ring mechanics. He also claims that he's fine with lynching either Prp or WBG and that both are scummy. Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz) Yet later in the thread jackal makes two things very clear. One: WBG is very likely third party(pushes this multiple times) and Two: Jackal would vote for a scummy player but doesn't find anyone else scummy: Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? Wait a minute? What happened to lynching Prphlz? You were fine with lynching him as scum, and would rather lynch scum than third party, yet are not pushing you're scummy read(prp) over you're third party read(WBG). This does not jive at all. What changed? On an unrelated note, Jackal is posting things that don't make sense, and making assumptions when there is no reason to make those certain assumptions. Typically I would just brush this off as strange town play, but Jackal is continuing to not make sense. In my experience when players continue to not make sense it is because they are scum. Why? Because they have addition information which lets them see things in a different light, that no town player should see. Kurumi in PYPI, Nisani(or sinani) in Merc Mini 2. Jackal is super scummy. ------------- The flip: First and foremost is cirryandor being bodygaurd: I or prp flip town when either of us dies, I can assure you the other is town as well with him flipping town mason, that means prp is most certainly town, and most certainly frodo. With Prp taking the hit and not Sam, I can only assume that prp was vigged. Mafia have zero incentive to kill Prp, unless they somehow knew he was frodo, which would explain both the hit and the Day 1 wagon. We gain oodles of info and clarity from prp dying. Prplhz is now confirmed town This means we derive very little from the day 1 lynch, as both Prp, WBG and Eradorr were town. With three townie wagons it means scum had everywhere to hide. In my opinion this makes those players staying on the WBG wagon look worst, and anyone switching votes around look more town. Mafia had no reason to flutter their votes, so I doubt they would have done so unneccesarily. On September 20 2011 08:19 chaoser wrote: Woe is my life as I have been shot. Thankfully I am not dead. Don't worry though shooter, I have your bullet and I hope to return the favor. I always repay my debts. This either means scum have 4 KP, a vig(s?) shot night 1, or you are lying. Are you claiming that you are both a vet and a vig? Can you shoot during the day or only at night? At this point you need to roleclaim. If someone shot chaoser they should claim. If someone shot anybody they should claim. 4 KP is way too high unless we have an assload of prot roles. | ||
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On September 20 2011 08:55 GreYMisT wrote: Can anyone counter claim frodo? because if this is true we lose another major lynch target from yesterday. Any counter claim is BS. Ciryandor made it clear he was masoned with prp. There is no way a town mason would post that unless they were telling the truth. Though if scum want to try it it's fine by me.... | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:04 chaoser wrote: Why are you blue fishing? I was shot and survived. That is all that matters. I am not claiming that I'm a vigi. I'm not claiming that I'm a vet. I'm not claiming anything. Are you saying you were joking about the "i have your bullet now" thing? I took this to mean that you had a role where if you were shot you gained a KP. Please clarify. If you're only claiming "I took a hit" then I'm cool with that. | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:07 chaoser wrote: And why are you assuming/implying that I was shot by town? Others have the ability to kill as well you know (like the mafia? or third parties?). Not once did I assume or imply that you were shot by town. Prp yes, but not you. Is it possible you were shot by town, certainly. It's also very possible you were shot by mafia/SK. It seems to me that it's YOU jumping to conclusions. Either way this gets us nowhere. On September 20 2011 09:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: You were very confident in your read on Erandorr, not that he would have a "decent chance" to flip scum. I also stated that I was uncomfortable with how quickly the bandwagon formed on Erandorr, but I should have taken it further and defended my point. A player with a "decent chance" to flip red is a fantastic day 1 lynch. If you want a number I would say I was 35-40% sure that Errandor would flip scum. That's about as strong as I ever get Day 1. | ||
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Meant to preview not post On September 20 2011 09:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: I was not the same as you. I didn't feel confident in myself to make a strong case against you, not because I believed you. Are you insinuating that after you saw my case against Erandorr you were thinking about making a case against me? That is certainly not what I get from this quote: I knew it felt wrong, and I'll be the first to admit that I didn't feel confident enough in myself to argue against Radfield to try and stop it. This quote makes it sound as though you were only trying to stop a lynch on Erandorr, not make a case against me. Were you planning to argue to defend Erandorr because you thought he was town, or to attack me because you thought I was scum. Or both. Please explain. On September 20 2011 09:27 JeeJee wrote: I ran the message through some common ciphers.. got nowhere. It's too short for any analysis based approach so I figure it's best to forget about it until it comes to light again. Will write up my thoughts on day 1 after I hit the gym. Interestingly enough both radfield and I lived. It's a miracle =D Option 1: Lurk hardcare, make an absurdly scummy self vote to distract mafia. Option 2: Lead a lynch on a townie. Equally successful, but I'll take option 2 everytime Please use your newfound Day 2 life effectively and show us why scum like to kill you day 1 | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:33 prplhz wrote: way to be totally fucking useless. you policy vote on a guy because you don't like him, what the fuck. you're ruining the game 100 times more than he is with your whining and calling for replacement. Manner please. Regardless of his play or alignment lets keep things civil. | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We get it. You're not the mod and posts like this are just BS attempts to appear helpful and pro town. I don't trust you. I have made plenty of posts which are helpful and pro-town. Never would I claim this is one of them. That post was made with a mindset outside the frame of the current game. Plenty of players get frustrated/ragequit while forgetting that there are a bunch of players trying to post stupid/aggressive/distracting/etc posts. Good manners in games is important to me. The internet can be an unfriendly place, as can TL, but in the mafia forum we try to play as friends. Anyways, glad to hear you're suspicious of me. What are your reads now that WBG is dead? | ||
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On September 20 2011 10:01 sandroba wrote: @radfield If you had to choose amongst the players I listed one to be lynched who would you choose and why. I'm off to bed Sandro and don't have the mental stamina to go through them all thoroughly. I'll give you a brief run down though: Palmar will either start contributing or not. At this point he's basically inactive which is wildly out of his typical behaviour(whether scum OR town). His activity lvl is a null tell for me, but there are currently zero redeeming qualities from his posting. Not a particularly good lynch at the moment because of his activity level. iGrok is scummy and would make a good lynch. Terrible voting, terrible reasons for voting, no lynch contributions. He also ignored my request for his reads and instead accused me of tunneling him. GGQ is basically inactive as well. His posting is lacking but nothing jumps out at me. Similar boat to Palmar. My thoughts on Jackal are above. White noise at first but is getting scummier as we go. Better lynch than most of the others. At first I thought jeejee was just trying to look scummy to not draw a hit. However it appears he actually was inactive. Jeejee is good though, so if he doesn't produce today he should die. Please start talking Jeejee. ON is also scummy and would make a good lynch. In fact, a quick glance through his posts moves him up to great lynch territory. Bad FoS on Navillus, lots of chippy posts, bad vote on prp then a bad swing to erandor for his edit. Frankly the bad swing helps him in my mind a bit given that mafia had no need to swing from prp to erandorr. What are your reads on syllo, and chaos13? They fit more into what I'm looking for. Posting with little contribution, not to mention all both are vets as well. | ||
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Of those six I would lynch jackal, iGrok or ON most likely. Probably in that order. If you could do it right now is Palmar really you're pick to lynch of those 6? | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:40 syllogism wrote: I agree with sandroba's list though, so that's definitely where my focus will be. What are your actual thoughts on Sandro's list. Who is top among those 5/6 players | ||
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Basically Doc H called out every single easy target possible on Day 1: Greymist, Drazerk, Trancestorm, Vain, Rayn, supersoft, etc. However, some of these stick out and some of them don't. Scum will always mix in a few mafia with their suspicions. Drazerk is different though. DocH ties himself to Drazerk during the WBG push, which is what mafia like to do. He begins by calling him scummy, but then treats him like a townie right after that. This gives me slightly more faith in Drazerk, but his filter is absolutely terrible. If you're town Drazerk, please step it up. This is his main post about suspicions: On September 19 2011 11:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think if Jackal was mafia he'd be more careful about the rules. I really doubt prplhz is mafia, wishy washy townie who jumped to some really bad conclusions about what I was saying. He misunderstood me. and yes, I'm dialing down my activity level in this game. I spam too much. I second guess myself too much. I think the fact that I didn't change my vote around 100 times and say every little thing on my mind is better play but I guess it comes off as a lot different from how I normally play. I read Vers guide like twice before this game. Wiggles has a good DT checklist although Palmar/jeejee definitely warrant a check. Both have been well under expected activity levels and I think it was JeeJee who made the rather cryptic posts about shadows. Odd behavior. Medics should go for the big veteran townie targets as usual. Myself, Radfield, JeeJee, Mr.Wiggles I would venture are the biggest targets. But really, you should use your own discretion. Medic - pick the experienced player you think is most likely town DT - pick the player you think is most likely scum. Main thing that jumps out at me is Jeejee. He both warrants a dt check, and also warrants medic protection. This is after never mentioning him before. Regardless of prior meta, you never medic protect someone who is not contributing. DocH knows this. Jeejee, you still have done nothing this game, please step it up. Assuming Jackal does not get lynched, who are you voting? | ||
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GGQ, Vain, ON, Heist, Pyo: All of you need to ramp it up. Between Jackal, iGrok and Palmar, where would you place your vote? | ||
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On September 21 2011 03:54 syllogism wrote: Well this is interesting I just got shot, as in a day vig hit me On September 21 2011 04:20 syllogism wrote: I don't quite understand why I would be scum day vig target over, say, radfield. Any thoughts radfield? You're a terrible target for scum. Lets assume you are telling the truth though and just got hit. This means you have some kind of night life(lives) as obviously you weren't medic protted. Day Vig kills have to be placed in thread, as do bombers, nukers, kingmakers, etc. I have never heard of a role that can kill a player during the day anonymously. The only possibility left is that you were targetted with some kind of delayed KP, like a Hooker or something, but that doesn't fit. Looking at the list of roles from PYPI(which is basically everything) I don't see anything that resembles an anonymous day kill. Options: 1. Scum shot you. Not likely as you are an awful target and scum don't get free kills. An untrackable, unwatchable, no accountability kill does not make for a fun mafia game. 2. Town shot you. More likely than scum, and far more likely balance wise. Giving a townie a free anonymous shot is far more balanced than giving scum one. I don't see why you would be hit though as you're not on the short list for scum. Terrible play if a townie shot, and no one claimed it(they would have presumably been around for the flip). 3. You're lying. This seems more likely than either of the other two scenarios. However, your claim is nonsensical and does nothing but cast suspicion on you. Some players(cough Palmar cough) make claims like that, you don't seem the sort. 4. Some role I've never heard is in the game. Only two of these options make sense: You are lying or there is another role. Yet neither of those make enough sense right now. I'm setting this aside for now, someone else pick it up if they want to. + Show Spoiler [ Pyo's post] + On September 21 2011 03:55 Pyo wrote: you aren't the boss of me... I don't like the fact that you're telling me that I have to vote for one of those 3. You followed/led the lynch of Erandorr and no one really gave you any shit for it. In fact you tried to spin WBG and errador both flipping town as an indicator of your townness: I mean the other 2 lynch targets you were trying to distract from were both either killed or attempted to be killed which means scum wanted everyone to see them flip. This seems a little too convenient to me... The analysis of you independent of this fact isn't great either: You started with a day 1 policy post, wherein you say, "Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target," but then proceed to push for the Erandorr lynch... if there was ever an "easier" target than a guy who edits a post then lies about it, I haven't seen it. Then you engage DrH about confirmed townies (link) which just screams contrived nonsensical conversation to me... Confirmed townies are NOT "a voice that every town player can trust to be legit." Townies can be wrong and scum are more than happy to help propagate incorrect statements by trusted town - not to mention what happens when a scum gets on people's confirmed town list. Now you're basically leading the charge against Jackal and iGrok while calling out Drazerk, Palmar and ON as also being likely scum... So either you're some super brilliant player (except that you were totally off with Erandorr) or you're happily sheeping town around. It really doesn't sit well with me. At this point I'm more inclined to vote for you than any of the 3 you suggest (jackal, igrok, palmar). ##vote: radfield I'm mildly confident in saying that's the biggest kneejerk/OMGUS i've seen. I asked you a simple question, and not only did you not answer it, but you've come up with an intensely manufactured case. If anyone actually wants me to defend myself here I will, but I'd much rather lynch scum. And I think you're scum Pyo. Lets take a walk down Pyo lane. I honestly don't know how you made it this far. ***After tossing suspicion on a few players, we go straight to a vote post: At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo. I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip. ##vote wherebugsgo *voting for a third party instead of scum, check *might learn about game set up/mechanics, check *Proceed to tunnel WBG and never comment on the other lynches, check ***The rest of your posts, almost literally the rest of your posts have consisted in cutting down other players: Jackal, OriginalName, Archon, Cyber_Cheese, Radfield, iGrok. But that's it, cutting down, arguing, but never contributing or actually casting suspicion. This is the closest you have come to calling somone out: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2011 17:27 Pyo wrote: man, I look away from the thread for about a couple hours and this crazy shit happens...anyway, what an incredibly scummy thing to say... Yet when I give you an opportunity to actually weigh in on him you OMGUS me instead. You also state that: The people I find most suspicious aren't the guys running around like village idiots (archon_toilet/Drazerk), it's the guys calling them guys scum. Yet never actually mention who these suspicious players are. ***You're only large post consists of almost no content. Talking about null reads, dead players and softballing suspicion on me. I think you are scum. However I'm willing to accept that I'm biased since you're attacking me. If Pyo is not scum, can someone please weigh in on what I'm missing. | ||
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Alright guys, well you've heard me out. Give me the ring, and I'll start working a hell of a lot harder this game, hunt down Saruman, and give a DT an unblockable shot. Otherwise, I'll basically keep doing what I've done so far. Your move. How bout no. Your claim seems like so much bullshit, yet I see very little motivation for your claim from a mafia perspective. Your claim buys you maximum 1 day if you are scum. Here's what's going to happen: You're not going to get the ring, and you're not going to wait for a dt check. You are going to shoot a target of our choosing tonight, and that target is going to flip with your fancy flavor text. In the event that doesn't happen you are going to get auto-lynched the next day, end of story. If you want to contribute or not, I could care less. Frankly at this point you're just a distraction. You are either mafia shitting things up, and will be confirmed scum tomorrow, or your third party shitting things up and will deliver us a kill. ______________ I'll have more time later on today, but need either Jackal or Pyo to get lynched today. + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2011 21:08 Jackal58 wrote: I'm just gonna watch this thing grow. Syllogism is right about my activity in this game. Up to this point though I have had little to nothing to say. Most of you insist upon going back and creating scenarios for the mechanics of the game. I have had no desire to comment on your speculations. He's wrong about my alignment though. But that's ok. It's getting late in the day and votes are scattered all over. Will be interesting to see who all wants to jump all over me. Won't it Heist? On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. I cannot reconcile these two statements with a town player. First statement makes an excuse for inactivity in that you don't want to "create scenarios for the mechanics". The second statement, and your reason for voting are based on creating scenarios for the ring mechanic. Add to this that you have refused to weigh in on the major lynch candidates, and have no real scum reads other than heist(who's obviously not getting lynched anytime soon). You have zero contributions this game other than a poor analysis on heist(who you've been poking since day 1). Are you really trying to claim that your only read this entire game is Heist? Jackal and Pyo are both very likely scum, iGrok as well but he will confirm his own alignment(via his night kill) for us. We lynch Jackal first as that narrows down our list of vets. Presumably some of me, chaoser, sandro, syllo, palmar, ON will die tonight which will leave several players out in the open. ##Vote Jackal | ||
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On September 21 2011 20:17 syllogism wrote: But does Balrog the SK make sense to you? Balrog the mafia seems more realistic and I don't know why he would voluntarily claim balrog instead of his real role (that is, he would then be SK with a more fitting character). He was going to get lynched unless his claim was very good and if this claim buys him that one day, it's a success. He could have a vital scum role that he can use tonight, though I'm not sure how I could reconcile that with him surviving a shot. The problem is there is no impetus for scum to claim third party. Why not just claim town power role, as that is far easier to pull off. Not to mention that towns absolutely LOVE piling on a confirmed third party. Buying himself an extra day is possible, but if that's his strategy then this is a terrible way to do it. Here's the thing, if iGrok was confirmed Third Party, we would absolutely NOT be lynching him. Thing is, this is a totally bullshit claim, and nothing stacks up in that claim. One thing is for certain, iGrok is certainly not town as no townie would ever make that claim. If no one is willing to back me on Jackal(or Pyo) then we should bring the hammer down on iGrok. | ||
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First off the terrible claim: There is zero motivation for mafia to make a claim like this. Contradictory, bullshit wincon, doesn't fit the rest of the facts of the game. Despite recent games, mafia almost always tend to play to their best strat, and a third party claim makes no sense. iGrok's claim makes him MORE likely to get lynched today, when he was under very little pressure. There is no way that a whole scum team vetted that claim, especially not with a whole team full of safe-claims to use. Drazerk's claim is equally strange. If iGrok IS scum, I see no reason for Drazerk to go to the wall for him, as iGrok is dead tomorrow at the latest if he is scum. Frankly Drazerk's claim seems legit given his breadcrumbing, despite the fact that medic protecting iGrok is terrible. It also fits with iGroks reaction to being hit. I think it highly likely that iGrok is a third party with either a 'get the ring wincon' or an assassin type role. The whole "give me the ring and i'm bulletproof" seems completely out of line with the rest of the claim. It makes no sense for a survivor to have a condition like this, as presumably they could be done and won long before the game is over, yet still kicking around the game. That makes no sense. Conversely If iGrok is an assassin it obviously makes sense he would not claim assassin and would instead claim some other role. If iGrok is scum, then he'll be confirmed scum by tomorrow and we lynch him then. If there are third party assassins in the game then iGrok will be dead by the morning. If his wincon is getting the ring then he's harmless. Lynching iGrok today does nothing to help us. _______________________ On September 22 2011 01:30 Jackal58 wrote: Why am I scum again? You're not answering me. Why are you not answering me? I posted the reasons why I think you're scum, I'll post them again here for you, and add to it: Since start of Day 2 you have exactly 1 post with more than 3 lines. You have no scum reads, you have no town reads. There is no way you are not scum. For emphasis(and because i forgot to actually vote last time): ##Vote Jackal58 + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2011 20:11 Radfield wrote: How bout no. Your claim seems like so much bullshit, yet I see very little motivation for your claim from a mafia perspective. Your claim buys you maximum 1 day if you are scum. Here's what's going to happen: You're not going to get the ring, and you're not going to wait for a dt check. You are going to shoot a target of our choosing tonight, and that target is going to flip with your fancy flavor text. In the event that doesn't happen you are going to get auto-lynched the next day, end of story. If you want to contribute or not, I could care less. Frankly at this point you're just a distraction. You are either mafia shitting things up, and will be confirmed scum tomorrow, or your third party shitting things up and will deliver us a kill. ______________ I'll have more time later on today, but need either Jackal or Pyo to get lynched today. + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2011 21:08 Jackal58 wrote: I'm just gonna watch this thing grow. Syllogism is right about my activity in this game. Up to this point though I have had little to nothing to say. Most of you insist upon going back and creating scenarios for the mechanics of the game. I have had no desire to comment on your speculations. He's wrong about my alignment though. But that's ok. It's getting late in the day and votes are scattered all over. Will be interesting to see who all wants to jump all over me. Won't it Heist? On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote: My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens. If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow. If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways. Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. I cannot reconcile these two statements with a town player. First statement makes an excuse for inactivity in that you don't want to "create scenarios for the mechanics". The second statement, and your reason for voting are based on creating scenarios for the ring mechanic. Add to this that you have refused to weigh in on the major lynch candidates, and have no real scum reads other than heist(who's obviously not getting lynched anytime soon). You have zero contributions this game other than a poor analysis on heist(who you've been poking since day 1). Are you really trying to claim that your only read this entire game is Heist? Jackal and Pyo are both very likely scum, iGrok as well but he will confirm his own alignment(via his night kill) for us. We lynch Jackal first as that narrows down our list of vets. Presumably some of me, chaoser, sandro, syllo, palmar, ON will die tonight which will leave several players out in the open. ##Vote Jackal | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are kinda right there, but as i see it, i'd give iGrok 0% chance of flipping town, 80% 3rd party, and 20% mafia. That's the best case i got, and i dont think i can come up with anything better until final votecount. That's why iGrok needs to come back from the shadows and try to say at least something, becouse every second i'm more convinced that he is actually mafia and about to earn a free pass for many days. Spending a lynch on a third party is awful town play. Options: a) survivor: harmless b) Assassin: dead by morning c) Serial Killer: Needs to kill scum at this point d) Ringgrabber: harmless e)Scum: dead come tomorrow Lynching iGrok is a poor play. Jackal is a far better lynch today, and we need to consolidate on him. Pyo/Palmar are decent lynches but we can't split 3 ways as that lets mafia lead the lynch. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:29 TranceStorm wrote: How do we will he be confirmed scum? If he is scum he needs to follow through with the shot we direct in order to stay clean for tomorrow. If he does not, then he gets lynched. If he claims he was 'roleblocked' then he gets lynched. If for any reason his target does not die, he gets lynched. If the target we choose is a townie, and scum kill him, AND his flavour comes up with 'consumed by shadow and flame etc" then so be it, as we are successfully directing scum's targets. If scum want to act as a double lynch for us, so much the better. If anyone else ever dies by the same flavour, or if the KP isn't matching up, we lynch him. It's like in PYP1/2 when scum got the compvig. IT DOESN"T MATTER AS LONG AS WE ARE DIRECTING THE SHOTS. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:51 iGrok wrote: I'm awake now, and I've calmed down a bit. First: Palmar, you try to meta me from a game I was BLUE. Dumb. Now, some of you don't get why I claimed. So look at it from my perspective. You have a check. You have a oneshot unblockable kill. If you get the ring, you become bulletproof. If you get the ring, you're fucking set, and you become a town-aligned Bullet-Proof Vigilante with a bonus check. I doubt mafia have a SECOND unblockable shot, it died with Sauron. Which means I really am unkillable by mafia, which makes me town-aligned. I'll prove it. I'm not listening to syllogism or Palmar. However, syllogism, who do you think is the most town - I'll let them pick. Fair compromise? This is so similar to the Protactinium situation chaoser - but its better for town, and thats why I thought it would work this time. There's no way you're telling the whole truth about your role. Absolutely no way. Your wincon makes no sense, as it's far too easy for you achieve victory. The rest I can buy, but there is no way you are getting the ring. If you are an Assassin, you are dead tonight. I hope you realize that. | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:06 OriginalName wrote: Im down for lynching one of those two but I havent decided which one I want to move to yet. I still think Pyo is a decent lynch but I agree that vote spreading can be detremental at this point. Radfield purely out of curiousity why Jackal over Palmar? I'm more sure of Jackal than Palmar. Jackal has done nothing this game but antagonize and cut players down, yet has no reads at all of those people. Palmar is on the short list, but I see no reason to put a bunch of reads out and let mafia cherry pick the lynch. | ||
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On September 22 2011 10:07 chaoser wrote: woah woah woah, where did GGQ come from? You never/barely talk about him and all of a sudden you're calling a hit on him? Partly to see GGQs reaction, but mostly because not everything this game has been going on in thread, as you should be able to tell by the role list so far. There is also no reason to lay out all my reads during the day, as that just clutters and muddies the waters. Fact is, if iGrok is actually third party, then GGQ is most definitely scum. Consider GGQ's contributions this game: Other than cast suspicion on iGrok, he has done nothing but theorycraft and post neutrally. If iGrok is third party and not mafia, which is most likely the case, then GGQ loses his one saving grace(which was medium pressure on potential scum). GGQ went two days without posting and has a total of 4 posts on day 2. The sum total content from those 4 posts is this: iGrok has done nothing to alleviate my suspicions and remains my #1 scum read. I can't find anyone who seems directly connected to him, except perhaps archon for a chainsaw vote on me after I voted igrok and this: As for jackal, I find him suspicious in a "I have no reason to think you are town" way, but I find iGrok suspicious in a "I have reason to think you are scum" way. Besides which, I know jackal has the potential to be valuable in a late game situation, where I don't know the same about iGrok. If you thought iGrok was so scummy why weren't you pushing him? You pop in, give your opinion, and make no effort do discuss or sway the lynch one way or the other. Read GGQs filter, it won't take long I promise. Exact same thing happened on Day 1, a bunch of posts, obviously around, yet apprx 1 paragraph worth of content. On September 22 2011 11:14 GGQ wrote: ^a question I'm also interested in On September 22 2011 11:17 GGQ wrote: Also, please review what happened in the last 12 hours or so. This is what's known as a last minute bw. It is bad. Congratulations, you've learned something about playing mafia! You're obviously around, you're popping in the thread to "defend" yourself, but you still refrain from posting anything useful. Who are you're scum reads, who are you're town reads? You're supposed to be decent yet if you disappeared from this game no one would notice. You need to step it up or die. _______________ On September 22 2011 13:13 Pyo wrote: radfield is scum... Make a case and do some work. You think I'm scum, spell it out then. Filter me, find the scum motivations behind my posting, don't sit back and sling mud. Since your kneejerk scumslip OMGUS on me you have done nothing. You put your vote down on me, and contributed ZERO to the discussion today: You didn't even mention iGrok or Jackal, despite me specifically asking your opinion on them both. The only thing you had to say about Palmar is to write a paragraph explaining why he was a null read, which was just sheeping EXACTLY what i had written several hours earlier. ______ You're right in a way. I'm jumping the gun on GGQ since iGrok very well could still be scum. If that's the case then presumably he actually has done something this game. Not to mention this kind of dictation does nothing for the town. Best way to play this is to treat it as a double lynch: We vote on who we think the best target for the night kill is. This gets everyone down on paper, and encourages discussion during the night: ##Nightkill: Pyo | ||
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On September 22 2011 15:41 syllogism wrote: The answer is likely "no one" and I've no reason to answer the question given that I've no idea what you are going to do with this information. If you are miraculously a third party who isn't SK and truly wanted to help town, you wouldn't need me to answer that question. You said I don't have good judgment and then ask me to make such a decision for you? If the intention is to have this other person to unilaterally decide for you whom to shoot with your alleged ability, clearly you don't want to take responsibility if the target flips town. Then lets assume your opinion is one among many. Who should he use his nightkill on? On September 22 2011 14:07 syllogism wrote: That's not the only argument, the role itself doesn't make sense. Neutral survivors don't have to kill townies to win and he doesn't even have to do that personally, making it even more nonsensical. Why does his role allegedly tell what happens if gets the ring when the ring has nothing to do with his role, he has no means of obtaining it besides his one shot which is supposed to be used on gandalf? Why didn't Sauron's role description say what happens if he gets the ring, when he even has an ability that allows him to search for it? You are dead set on scum-hunting via flavor and roles. Last game I played I was a PGO Veteran in a 12-player game. It was so ludicrous that I was practically pegged as scum for that alone. You were in that game and should remember. Scum hunt properly. On September 22 2011 11:58 sandroba wrote: Okay got info from the host himself. Town win con is to eliminte all evil and that includes ALL third party. iGrok's claim is impossible. Sandro, I know for a fact that you have good reads this game, and that you are very very likely town, yet you have almost no thread presence. Assuming iGrok is third party, and assuming a roleblock won't stop the unblockable kill(still haven't anwered this curu), then who should we be hitting. | ||
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Your play reminds me so much of scum Ace I don't even know what to say. You're like mini-Ace. Who should we kill tonight. | ||
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On September 22 2011 23:45 Curu wrote: An unblockable kill can be roleblocked (ironically enough). It will go through all protections except those that cause the action to never be carried out in the first place. Major fuck up by me Sorry Sandro, I didn't get what you were saying until I got back. Why did no one listen to this: + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2011 06:51 sandroba wrote: Man here is the deal. Let's assume igrok is telling the truth. We don't lynch him and we tell him to shoot X person tonight. Obviously if that person is mafia he will be roleblocked. If the person is town they will either let the shot go through or roleblock him and create a fucking mess and possibly waste more lynches. He can withold his shot indefinitely and claim rb. He can claim he found saruman at any time and possibly make us mislynch. We can't deal with him later in the game close to lylo. So even if he is actually telling the truth I don't see how we can trust this and trust he won't do pro-mafia actions. There is currently 7 townies and 1 mafia dead, so I know who I would side with if I was what he claims to be. Mafia is never going to get rid of him for us. We can either lynch him now or have a copy of this day at a later date, so I don't think we have much of a choice besides lynching him now. Or ask if an unblockable kill could be roleblocked.... Obviously we're not picking a specific target, which means that we either give iGrok a range of several targets, or have him not shoot at all. At this point it makes far more sense to have him not shoot at all. If he is mafia, a range of targets is exactly what he wants, as he just picks the townie out of the mix. If he is mafia and told not to shoot, then we at least have some tools available if there are too many night kills. Also, if he is told not to shoot and still shoots, he runs the risk being tracked to a target. Thoughts? | ||
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Normally I have a hat full of town reads, a few scum reads and a bunch of nulls at this point. However basically the whole town could be scum this game, likely due to the fact that a ton of players are coasting. just over the modkill line. All scummies are not created equal however. Town Prp is obviously Town Sandro is Town Syllo is either Town or third party, no way he's scum as he would have saved the dayvig shot. Prob Town JCarl Rayn Greymist Drazerk is likely town and likely medic, as his breadcrumbs have been superb if he is scum. Pyo and GGQ are super scummy. Kitaman as well. ON and Palmar both need to step it up and actually contribute or they are likely scum. Cyber's play is fairly bad(if hesmyrr's game is any judge), but at this point I think there is a good chance he's red. Very good chance Chaoser is third party or scum. If he's not then syllo likely is(but I don't see third party having a dayvig). There is way to much townside defense right now: Jailer, Medic(?), plus two vets. It's possible those are all in the game, but not probable. Makes more sense for there to be a scum medic or a SK in the game. A bunch of scum are inside those 7 players. Very few if any are inside the top 7. | ||
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On October 01 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote: I say we resurrect him and then modkill just for fun. hahah oh rayn, you had potential | ||
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Curu, I think you handled the modkills very well. That was a tricky situation, and I think you found a good solution. | ||
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On October 11 2011 09:39 redFF wrote: yeah guyz i knew who all the scum were the whole time but died before i could tell you omg zzz Me too. Errandor, Jackal, Pyo, Palmar, iGrok, Drazerk scumteam for sure. | ||
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