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On September 30 2011 01:31 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 05:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:It's in the mafia's best interest to lure people away from discussions about scum, and on to things like lore and speculation on mechanics, and if they can speculate on mechanics and come up with a plan that may make them stronger at the same time all the better. With this in mind, I would like to revisit the possibility that the mafia atually did propose a plan to take control of the ring. Now assuming you were the mafia, who would you assign to propose the pro-scum plan that may or may not go through? In the words of MrWiggles (notably deceased): On September 19 2011 10:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
As well, it seems unlikely that if it was a mafia ploy they would have had Jackal deliver the plan. Even if one could give away the ring during the day, it would draw a lot of attention to the person proposing it, due to certain short-comings. It makes more sense to get one of the lesser experienced mafia members to propose it, because heat being drawn to them isn't as bad, and it can more easily be passed off as not thinking it through enough. Now, all this person really needs is a few quiet days while people slowly forget what he did day 1 if things go bad, so they *could* try to lurk until it all blew over. With that in mind, lets take a second look at TranceStorm's plan to confirm townies- On September 17 2011 14:36 TranceStorm wrote:
Debating about who should get the ring and what each role can or cannot do at the moment is pointless at the current time. However, I do like one of the plans that was proposed by a few people: having the person who successfully passed on the ring claim themselves. This way, we can enable a 'chain' to be made - i.e. the first player can confirm the second player once the second player has passed on the ring themselves. This is all dependent on the assumption that evil players cannot pass the ring themselves which as Radfield pointed out, is probably a true assumption.
Given this, however, this plan would probably only be effective for the first few 'passes' and perhaps near the end of the game when town circles become more clear. The risk after the first few days that the person holding the ring is killed, or has the ring stolen (which is a possible role according to the OP) makes the plan ineffective.
Therefore, I think that such a plan should work for the first 2 or 3 days to confirm at least one or two people. Any thoughts or ideas about this? I haven't fully fleshed this out yet (i.e. the possibility of fake claims is strong), but its probably a better discussion than the arbitrary finger-pointing going on at the moment. This seemingly bad town plan has a ton of flaws. -Townies might not be able to further pass the ring, and therefore not safely claim after the ring was given to them. The ring is now stuck on someone who can't move it, when the previous towns person could have moved the ring if he sensed danger. -The difficulty of finding a new townie who the ring should be passed to. With every pass, the chance of the recipient being a scumbag increases. Self explanatory -Bad payoffs. A 'confirmed' townie won't be able to accomplish much. -The chance of scum lying to gain whatever town cred exsists. This admittedly could potentially force a counter claim, and get a scum lynched for one townie, but the chance of scum actually trying it is low. -The assumption seems horribly scummy, it helps pave the way for scum to confirm themselves. It also seems to rely on a town aligned role with the power to search for the ring, just in case the scum player decided not to even try to pass it. -The plan overall balances a low payoff with a rather low reward. After the plan is dismissed, Trance proceeds to act wishy-washy and brings up a case on anyone he believes might legitimately form a bandwagon, before deciding to join a pre-exsisting one. I don't have much to say about this part because I don't understand why all three major wagons were town, but I believe mafia have their reasons to want to flip both WBG and prphlz, and so they bandwagoned onto a convenient easy target in Errandor. For the sake of this point, I advise you read through his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=27938What I do know, is that DocH (deceased) was willing to oversee his plan rather quickly- On September 17 2011 15:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
TranceStorm has a bad plan. Big deal, hopefully he can be made to see the problem with it. The main problem is that this game is not about confirming townies using mechanics we don't understand the goal is to find and catch scum. If I'm not mistaken, that was among the most dismissive statements DocH said while he was alive. At the same time DocH was gaining town cred by helping to dismiss the plan after townies already had (Yet another benefit.) On September 17 2011 15:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We don't know anything about the ring. Passing it on to scum could have terrible consequences. If we knew exactly what the rings powers were and what powers each player had relating to it then we could maybe form some plan for its use but otherwise this discussion is pretty much off the table.
In the lore of LOTR the one ring basically reflects the power of its holder. A simple hobbit like Frodo simply becomes invisible holding it. But a powerful wizard like Saruman or god forbid Sauron could use it to become basically invincible/mind control/etc. And I'm not sure the ring will have evolving powers (just speculating) but hopefully my points be simple to understand
1. We have no idea what the extent of the consequences would be if the one ring were to fall into the hands of an evil player.
2. We have no idea what the ring even does other than the player who holds it or maybe some other role has knowledge.
3. It is not worth risking getting the ring on the wrong side of the town simply to MAYBE confirm a few players. TranceStorm is Scum He's been tunneling TS all game and yet he votes Palmer twice (Day 2 and 4) (a useless vote since he was never in danger of being lynched, why not just put your useless vote on TS then?), and for day 3 voted ON. He only voted TS day one. Even now he talks about how he thinks TS is scum but his vote never gets to rest there. If you're so convinced TS is scum why are all your votes meaningless (voting for non-majority people that aren't TS)? SCUMMMMM
Because Palmar was scummier obviously
I swapped to tunneling Palmar, my vote was on him day 3 up until near the end of it.
Every vote on a non-majority person is useless?
So we should all have only one person with the votes on them at the end of the day?
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On September 30 2011 01:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Because Palmar was scummier obviously
I swapped to tunneling Palmar, my vote was on him day 3 up until near the end of it.
Every vote on a non-majority person is useless?
So we should all have only one person with the votes on them at the end of the day?
lol and yet you keep going back to TS, this was last night btw. I'm surprised that you say Palmer was "scummier" when you've been talking about TS, made the biggest case AGAINST TS, and continue to talk about TS as scum since day 1.
1) TranceStorm is the only person to have participated in all of them.
2) The mafia doesn't seem to be targeting the people who were in on the lynches.
Posted last night.
On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us.
Also posts this bullshit "I wasn't in any of them, I'm not scum." Only scum would feel the need to do this. Also you imply that you pyo and ggq weren't in them and thus have "townie points" but all of a sudden later:
On September 29 2011 12:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 11:21 chaoser wrote:
He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far. Since you are rather indirectly asking for the list of people I think are scum: TranceStorm; there's a few reasons in my filter from day 1/2 and one last night. Archon_Toilet; comes in sporadically, votes someone at almost random, leaves. GGQ; comes in sporadically, seems to give it about 2% more thought than Archon and leaves again.
You post this right after Palmer flips, even though you thought palmer was scum. So either you read through the thread hella fast to reevaluate who the last three mafia are or you just pulled out three convinent people.
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Ok I'm backtracking on heist as well.
I think the remaining mafia are cyber_cheese and pyo. I agree with chaoser's post about cyber and would like to add my opinion on his probable buddy.
This post is a big one from pyo. Firstly, Cyber tries to clear himself and Pyo:
On September 29 2011 02:08 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us. coming up with a contrived way to clear yourself... am I the only one who thinks this is really scummy? ON flipping town makes me really hesitant to push anyone (especially given that it is night still), but it really should be pointed out that "always being on the right side of a lynch" means you know something that the rest of town didn't... I still haven't wrapped my head around all the chaoser/palmar bullshit. The thing that really bothers me about it is that if I were to pick 2 people at the start of the game who would have absolutely no trepidation with fake claiming a 3rd party, it would be those two. Neither of their claims make any sense nor does the fact that they're both still alive. Hopefully at least one of them dies tonight to make things simpler... or better yet if I die tonight then I don't have to think about it – either way, I'm going to wait till the day post before I really try wade through the fake claiming/sheeping/bull shitting that's been going on.
Why would you suddenly be so hesitent to lynch anyone? You've been quite aggressive all game and now that it's down to the wire you want to avoid responsibility. Your point about always being on the right side does indeed hold here as well.
- Repeatedly defends iGrok, even going so far as to suggest he be allowed to choose the lynch by himself.
- Led the charge on the OriginalName lynch, including such reasons as "he was the only one who knew who Ugluk was" and "he claimed Eowyn as Vanilla Townie which is bullshit cos she'd totally be a blue".
- Advocates lynching bugs day 1 because it would help us learn something about the mechanics.
He does have analysis on Radfield which is his only saving grace.
I think he needs to go. Thoughts on Pyo?
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By chaoser's post I meant the one on the previous page about cyber's tunneling of Trance Storm, but the analysis on this page is good too.
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kitaman27
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I was going to write up something against pyo when I got home.
I'm also incredibly suspcious of you now DropBear. The only reason I was giving Archon_Toilet a pass was because he acted like a complete noobie. The effort you have put in so far this game is extremely disturbing.
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kitaman27
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On September 30 2011 02:04 Archon_Toilet wrote:
I think the remaining mafia are cyber_cheese and pyo.
You state that there are 2 mafia remaining as if it is a fact. How do you know this?
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On September 29 2011 11:26 chaoser wrote:
I also don't mind actual claiming, I am:
Theon Greyjoy, the Kraken's heir, previously the SK Treasure Hunter now the Vanilla Townie
I was going to write an epic win post too...
Are you trolling us or something? Why on earth would a character from another story (not to mention the fact that he isn't one of the major major characters) be put in a theme game? That makes absolutely 0 sense. I know you've 'breadcrumbed' this, but why would another a character from another universe be introduced as a 3rd party looking for the ring?
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On September 30 2011 02:48 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 11:26 chaoser wrote:
I also don't mind actual claiming, I am:
Theon Greyjoy, the Kraken's heir, previously the SK Treasure Hunter now the Vanilla Townie
I was going to write an epic win post too... Are you trolling us or something? Why on earth would a character from another story (not to mention the fact that he isn't one of the major major characters) be put in a theme game? That makes absolutely 0 sense. I know you've 'breadcrumbed' this, but why would another a character from another universe be introduced as a 3rd party looking for the ring?
Just due to the fact he was hit last night + role blocked. I am more than willing to say that he isn't scum but the trolling is still slightly amusing
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On September 30 2011 02:48 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 11:26 chaoser wrote:
I also don't mind actual claiming, I am:
Theon Greyjoy, the Kraken's heir, previously the SK Treasure Hunter now the Vanilla Townie
I was going to write an epic win post too... Are you trolling us or something? Why on earth would a character from another story (not to mention the fact that he isn't one of the major major characters) be put in a theme game? That makes absolutely 0 sense. I know you've 'breadcrumbed' this, but why would another a character from another universe be introduced as a 3rd party looking for the ring?
So you're saying Curu gave me two fake claims. One was Boromir and the other one was from another series? And that I'm lying about being what I am and I figured saying I was from another series would be MUCH better than just saying I'm Boromir, which would fit the role anyway since he wanted the ring for himself. And somehow I foresaw that I would need to claim a role from a completely different series somewhere down the line and breadcrumbed it?
Oh, and Theon gets his own POV later btw so yeah, he's kind of a big deal. The only "major major characters" are Tyrion, Jon and Dany anyway and I'm pretty sure they're all too busy doing their own thing to fit into a role where the purpose is to get the ring (Trying to find a whore, On the Wall, Across the Narrow Sea)
I'll paraphrase why I'm in the game from Curu's PM:
Your life sucks, you never fit in at Winterfell and people called you a ward but really you were a hostage (I drop this word as a breadcrumb too). Hell, most people who watch the HBO show don't even know who you are (Sad actually since he plays a big role later). All you want is respect and recognition.
Somehow you managed to rip open the space time continuum and teleport yourself into Middle Earth; Now you want to find the One Ring so you can finally gain recognition and power.
When gollum left with the ring, I lost the power to use the ring to go back to Westeros so now I'm stuck here trying to score with hot elven chicks.
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Curu's having too much fun at our expense I suppose...
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On September 30 2011 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:
I was going to write up something against pyo when I got home.
I'm also incredibly suspcious of you now DropBear. The only reason I was giving Archon_Toilet a pass was because he acted like a complete noobie. The effort you have put in so far this game is extremely disturbing.
You are right, I've been basically afk. I've been busy with a girl the last 2 weeks. She's caught the crazy so it's back to Mafia 
On September 30 2011 02:35 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 02:04 Archon_Toilet wrote:
I think the remaining mafia are cyber_cheese and pyo. You state that there are 2 mafia remaining as if it is a fact. How do you know this?
I don't know it for a fact at all. I think it extremely unlikely that there are only 4 mafia all up seeing how many blue roles have died so far, and I think both Pyo and Cyber are mafia.
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Generally in a 30 person game there's 6 mafia.
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On September 30 2011 02:58 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 02:48 TranceStorm wrote:On September 29 2011 11:26 chaoser wrote:
I also don't mind actual claiming, I am:
Theon Greyjoy, the Kraken's heir, previously the SK Treasure Hunter now the Vanilla Townie
I was going to write an epic win post too... Are you trolling us or something? Why on earth would a character from another story (not to mention the fact that he isn't one of the major major characters) be put in a theme game? That makes absolutely 0 sense. I know you've 'breadcrumbed' this, but why would another a character from another universe be introduced as a 3rd party looking for the ring? So you're saying Curu gave me two fake claims. One was Boromir and the other one was from another series? And that I'm lying about being what I am and I figured saying I was from another series would be MUCH better than just saying I'm Boromir, which would fit the role anyway since he wanted the ring for himself. And somehow I foresaw that I would need to claim a role from a completely different series somewhere down the line and breadcrumbed it? Oh, and Theon gets his own POV later btw so yeah, he's kind of a big deal. The only "major major characters" are Tyrion, Jon and Dany anyway and I'm pretty sure they're all too busy doing their own thing to fit into a role where the purpose is to get the ring (Trying to find a whore, On the Wall, Across the Narrow Sea) I'll paraphrase why I'm in the game from Curu's PM: Your life sucks, you never fit in at Winterfell and people called you a ward but really you were a hostage (I drop this word as a breadcrumb too). Hell, most people who watch the HBO show don't even know who you are (Sad actually since he plays a big role later). All you want is respect and recognition. Somehow you managed to rip open the space time continuum and teleport yourself into Middle Earth; Now you want to find the One Ring so you can finally gain recognition and power. When gollum left with the ring, I lost the power to use the ring to go back to Westeros so now I'm stuck here trying to score with hot elven chicks.
I thought you was just lying about the theon thing lol and how dare you not call him a major major character he's one of my favourite characters!
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On September 30 2011 03:04 Drazerk wrote:
I thought you was just lying about the theon thing lol and how dare you not call him a major major character he's one of my favourite characters!
Mine too! lol I was really happy when Curu picked Theon out of all the other characters to give me as a role lol. I tihnk he's a major character, I don't think he's major major. Major major is like only those three.
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Anyways, I'm voting for Cyber_Cheese again - his defense of iGrok - plus his preference of lynching chaoser over iGrok (despite having killed Radfield). His response to that claim was:
On September 27 2011 21:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 14:15 TranceStorm wrote:Anyways, if you are looking for a discrepancy in terms of players who defended iGrok while they wanted chaoser dead, then look at this quote here: On September 25 2011 03:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 25 2011 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 25 2011 02:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I don't think killing iGrok is the optimal source of information when if we kill someone likely to be scum we can draw links between that person and others. We let him off yesterday, I don't really get why it's suddenly a huge mistake to have done that.
Go back and look at the claims of chaoser and igrok, if we must kill a neutral party, chaoser is the optimal choice.
However, keeping the third party for now might be better because any serial killers within it have a reasonable chance of hitting more of the remaining mafia.
Ideally, I would lynch Palmar today for being entirely useless and acting very scummy. I don't see that happening, so I'm going to
##Unvote
I'm going to vote ON because he was one of the people that followed both of Radfield's vote swings, among other previously listed reasons that convinced me.
##Vote OriginalName Why do you prefer chaoser lynch over iGrok, given the facts; 1) chaoser shot scum 2) iGrok didn't shoot anyone, instead he comes up with a Saruman over OriginalName. iGrok was wierdly enough checking ON night 2, when he was pretty sure Palmar is scum (at least he stated so). Why did he check ON over Palmar? The only reason i can think of is that he checked Palmar night 1. Is that so iGrok? Also he comes with this "ON being Saruman" thing just after heist and Pyo have accused ON. Don't you find it suspicious? Bottom line first, of course it's suspicious, that doesn't make it impossible. That claim wasn't one of the things that convinced me, because it likely was convenient lie. I wouldn't even put it past him to have found the real Saruman and lied about who rather than be forced out of that information so far from the lynch. Chaoser attacked the person who was leading the town best, The fact Radfield flipped scum doesn't necessarily excuse that. I'm not sure about iGrok's reasoning, but learning he could be blocked changed things. The rest of the difference between the two of them in my eyes is related to their claims. Chaoser used a claim that sounded relatively safe, but had many mistakes like Boromir as a neutral party when he was party of the fellowship and a 'win with town' victory condition. iGrok's is nothing near safe and is relatively more believable. Cyber_cheese has defended iGrok throughout the game. Both chaoser and iGrok made suspicious remarks in their claims that were pointed out. However, chaoser has the saving grace of having shot Radfield (no one has counter-claimed) yet Cyber_Cheese says its a better idea to knock off chaoser and has earlier argued for 'controlling' iGrok as well. I noteably didn't want to kill either, I just wanted to kill the one who claimed to have more kp first. I stick by Palmar being our best lynch.
Before I was drawn into the whole kitaman lynch thing, I made an argument against Cyber_Cheese about his defense of iGrok. He says that he only wanted to kill the one who 'claimed to have more kp first'. But, that's not what he said earlier at all. Read the quoted part and you will notice that said multiple contradictory things.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On September 30 2011 03:04 chaoser wrote:
Generally in a 30 person game there's 6 mafia.
Why would he automatically go down to not 4, rather than thinking the obvious number of 6? It's as if he is purposely trying to be ignorant of the likely number.
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On September 30 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 01:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Because Palmar was scummier obviously
I swapped to tunneling Palmar, my vote was on him day 3 up until near the end of it.
Every vote on a non-majority person is useless?
So we should all have only one person with the votes on them at the end of the day? lol and yet you keep going back to TS, this was last night btw. I'm surprised that you say Palmer was "scummier" when you've been talking about TS, made the biggest case AGAINST TS, and continue to talk about TS as scum since day 1. Show nested quote +1) TranceStorm is the only person to have participated in all of them.
2) The mafia doesn't seem to be targeting the people who were in on the lynches. Posted last night. Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us. Also posts this bullshit "I wasn't in any of them, I'm not scum." Only scum would feel the need to do this. Also you imply that you pyo and ggq weren't in them and thus have "townie points" but all of a sudden later: Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 12:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 29 2011 11:21 chaoser wrote:
He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far. Since you are rather indirectly asking for the list of people I think are scum: TranceStorm; there's a few reasons in my filter from day 1/2 and one last night. Archon_Toilet; comes in sporadically, votes someone at almost random, leaves. GGQ; comes in sporadically, seems to give it about 2% more thought than Archon and leaves again. You post this right after Palmer flips, even though you thought palmer was scum. So either you read through the thread hella fast to reevaluate who the last three mafia are or you just pulled out three convinent people.
GGQ appeared alongside me in the hasn't last minute switched poll, and has done worse than Pyo this game. After Drazerk pointed out that Trance in fact wasn't the only person to be onboard every lynch, I made an excel sheet and pointed out interesting things I saw to raise discussion.
I admitted to that group looking the scummiest, which you conveniently overlook, and of Pyo and GGQ, I find GGQ worse, so he made the cut.
The four people that voted along side Radfield in both his lynches were:
TranceStorm
Drazerk
OriginalName
Kitaman27
And I'm willing to bet they aren't all town.
##Vote TranceStorm
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On September 30 2011 03:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote:On September 30 2011 01:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Because Palmar was scummier obviously
I swapped to tunneling Palmar, my vote was on him day 3 up until near the end of it.
Every vote on a non-majority person is useless?
So we should all have only one person with the votes on them at the end of the day? lol and yet you keep going back to TS, this was last night btw. I'm surprised that you say Palmer was "scummier" when you've been talking about TS, made the biggest case AGAINST TS, and continue to talk about TS as scum since day 1. 1) TranceStorm is the only person to have participated in all of them.
2) The mafia doesn't seem to be targeting the people who were in on the lynches. Posted last night. On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us. Also posts this bullshit "I wasn't in any of them, I'm not scum." Only scum would feel the need to do this. Also you imply that you pyo and ggq weren't in them and thus have "townie points" but all of a sudden later: On September 29 2011 12:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 29 2011 11:21 chaoser wrote:
He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far. Since you are rather indirectly asking for the list of people I think are scum: TranceStorm; there's a few reasons in my filter from day 1/2 and one last night. Archon_Toilet; comes in sporadically, votes someone at almost random, leaves. GGQ; comes in sporadically, seems to give it about 2% more thought than Archon and leaves again. You post this right after Palmer flips, even though you thought palmer was scum. So either you read through the thread hella fast to reevaluate who the last three mafia are or you just pulled out three convinent people. GGQ appeared alongside me in the hasn't last minute switched poll, and has done worse than Pyo this game. After Drazerk pointed out that Trance in fact wasn't the only person to be onboard every lynch, I made an excel sheet and pointed out interesting things I saw to raise discussion. I admitted to that group looking the scummiest, which you conveniently overlook, and of Pyo and GGQ, I find GGQ worse, so he made the cut. The four people that voted along side Radfield in both his lynches were: TranceStorm Drazerk OriginalName Kitaman27 And I'm willing to bet they aren't all town. ##Vote TranceStorm
Kita is confirmed tracker
I am a confirmed medic
what's the bet Trance is a DT / Vig?
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On September 30 2011 03:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote:On September 30 2011 01:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Because Palmar was scummier obviously
I swapped to tunneling Palmar, my vote was on him day 3 up until near the end of it.
Every vote on a non-majority person is useless?
So we should all have only one person with the votes on them at the end of the day? lol and yet you keep going back to TS, this was last night btw. I'm surprised that you say Palmer was "scummier" when you've been talking about TS, made the biggest case AGAINST TS, and continue to talk about TS as scum since day 1. 1) TranceStorm is the only person to have participated in all of them.
2) The mafia doesn't seem to be targeting the people who were in on the lynches. Posted last night. On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us. Also posts this bullshit "I wasn't in any of them, I'm not scum." Only scum would feel the need to do this. Also you imply that you pyo and ggq weren't in them and thus have "townie points" but all of a sudden later: On September 29 2011 12:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 29 2011 11:21 chaoser wrote:
He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far. Since you are rather indirectly asking for the list of people I think are scum: TranceStorm; there's a few reasons in my filter from day 1/2 and one last night. Archon_Toilet; comes in sporadically, votes someone at almost random, leaves. GGQ; comes in sporadically, seems to give it about 2% more thought than Archon and leaves again. You post this right after Palmer flips, even though you thought palmer was scum. So either you read through the thread hella fast to reevaluate who the last three mafia are or you just pulled out three convinent people. GGQ appeared alongside me in the hasn't last minute switched poll, and has done worse than Pyo this game. After Drazerk pointed out that Trance in fact wasn't the only person to be onboard every lynch, I made an excel sheet and pointed out interesting things I saw to raise discussion. I admitted to that group looking the scummiest, which you conveniently overlook, and of Pyo and GGQ, I find GGQ worse, so he made the cut. The four people that voted along side Radfield in both his lynches were: TranceStorm Drazerk OriginalName Kitaman27 And I'm willing to bet they aren't all town. ##Vote TranceStorm
First off, the first lynch doesn't prove anything at all. All 4 of the candidates were later shown to be townie - therefore, it doesn't prove or disprove scum motivations to change from one candidate to the other. Therefore, you'd have to expand your list a bit to look at the second lynch.
Funny enough, on the second lynch, you'd think that iGrok would have voted with Radfield if he was scum. Its convenient that his vote was on a Palmar as was yours.
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kitaman27
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heh scum don't always vote together cyber. If anything, they try to spread their votes apart so they can't be connected to each other.
@rayn, who do you want to lynch and why?
@jcarl, you were pretty absent the previous lynch and didn't come in until the last minute to vote Palmar. Thoughts?
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