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On September 30 2011 03:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 03:04 chaoser wrote:
Generally in a 30 person game there's 6 mafia. Why would he automatically go down to not 4, rather than thinking the obvious number of 6? It's as if he is purposely trying to be ignorant of the likely number.
Yeah I know but the fact that he unclaimed his smurf makes me think he's townie, if he's mafia and he used the un-smurf to seem townie that would be pretty lame since it's a "out of game mechanic"
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On September 30 2011 03:32 kitaman27 wrote:
heh scum don't always vote together cyber. If anything, they try to spread their votes apart so they can't be connected to each other.
@rayn, who do you want to lynch and why?
@jcarl, you were pretty absent the previous lynch and didn't come in until the last minute to vote Palmar. Thoughts?
Yeah, I've been sitting here just trying to think and work it out. Our remaining candidates have been pretty lurkerish. Like, what happened to GGQ?
I feel like Cyber just looking at the votes and trying to determine who is scum off that list isn't very useful. He just posted a list of 3 confirmed town members. I would be pretty satisfied lynching him. Although, GGQ is probably scum just sitting and hiding and doing nothing.
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On September 30 2011 03:32 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 03:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 30 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote:On September 30 2011 01:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Because Palmar was scummier obviously
I swapped to tunneling Palmar, my vote was on him day 3 up until near the end of it.
Every vote on a non-majority person is useless?
So we should all have only one person with the votes on them at the end of the day? lol and yet you keep going back to TS, this was last night btw. I'm surprised that you say Palmer was "scummier" when you've been talking about TS, made the biggest case AGAINST TS, and continue to talk about TS as scum since day 1. 1) TranceStorm is the only person to have participated in all of them.
2) The mafia doesn't seem to be targeting the people who were in on the lynches. Posted last night. On September 29 2011 01:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh I overlooked Drazerk and Kitaman27 being on all of them too...
Both Pyo and I haven't been on any, and if we disclude the third which most of the town was on, GGQ joins us. Also posts this bullshit "I wasn't in any of them, I'm not scum." Only scum would feel the need to do this. Also you imply that you pyo and ggq weren't in them and thus have "townie points" but all of a sudden later: On September 29 2011 12:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 29 2011 11:21 chaoser wrote:
He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far. Since you are rather indirectly asking for the list of people I think are scum: TranceStorm; there's a few reasons in my filter from day 1/2 and one last night. Archon_Toilet; comes in sporadically, votes someone at almost random, leaves. GGQ; comes in sporadically, seems to give it about 2% more thought than Archon and leaves again. You post this right after Palmer flips, even though you thought palmer was scum. So either you read through the thread hella fast to reevaluate who the last three mafia are or you just pulled out three convinent people. GGQ appeared alongside me in the hasn't last minute switched poll, and has done worse than Pyo this game. After Drazerk pointed out that Trance in fact wasn't the only person to be onboard every lynch, I made an excel sheet and pointed out interesting things I saw to raise discussion. I admitted to that group looking the scummiest, which you conveniently overlook, and of Pyo and GGQ, I find GGQ worse, so he made the cut. The four people that voted along side Radfield in both his lynches were: TranceStorm Drazerk OriginalName Kitaman27 And I'm willing to bet they aren't all town. ##Vote TranceStorm First off, the first lynch doesn't prove anything at all. All 4 of the candidates were later shown to be townie - therefore, it doesn't prove or disprove scum motivations to change from one candidate to the other. Therefore, you'd have to expand your list a bit to look at the second lynch. Funny enough, on the second lynch, you'd think that iGrok would have voted with Radfield if he was scum. Its convenient that his vote was on a Palmar as was yours.
Then why would Radfield bother changing it? Mafia wanted Errandorr dead for some reason.
On September 30 2011 03:32 kitaman27 wrote:
heh scum don't always vote together cyber. If anything, they try to spread their votes apart so they can't be connected to each other.
@rayn, who do you want to lynch and why?
@jcarl, you were pretty absent the previous lynch and didn't come in until the last minute to vote Palmar. Thoughts?
Sure they spread the votes out, but there's bound to be at least one mafia member.
Keep in mind that they were very late bandwagons. Mafia were more than likely not all around waiting for the countdown since none of them were on the line. It makes sense to have an accomplice, someone to keep in reserve if possible and just nudge the lynch in the right direction, without drawing focus.
The first one didn't mean anything?
In first one, he waits for the reaction to the response to see if it's safe to jump on board.
The 'edited content' wasn't even lied about, and he is the first person to mention it as such.
On September 19 2011 07:23 TranceStorm wrote:
Woahhh. Erandorr responded really really poorly to that pressure. Radfield's initial case against him was quite convincing, but his response to the pressure was to write a defense and then outright lie about the content that he edited. That is definitely the clearest sign of scum that we have had throughout this entire day. Therefore, I'll definitely be switching my vote as well onto Erandorr.
And he does it again with another late bandwagon day 2.
On September 22 2011 06:51 TranceStorm wrote:
Both Jackal and Palmar are really really similar in my eyes. Both of them post a ton of one-liners and haven't given really substantive analysis at all this game. Both of them always seem to do that in all of their games. However, Jackal hasn't voiced an opinion at all on the current candidates but continues to jump around calling everyone scum.
My vote will be going to Jackal right now.
Notice how he nudged people away from Palmar with the comparison, to make sure the one Radfield chose would be the lynched one?
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@Cyber_Cheese - as per the day 1 lynch. Look at it this way, if I were mafia, then I would have known that all three candidates were town - therefore, I could have simply kept my vote on prplhz and lurked through the lynch and come back and said "what the hell guys, obviously errandor was town blah blah blah". (Which is what you did btw). In my opinion, Radfield's moves were designed to draw attention away from the other lynches and to put the spotlight on the people who had followed him rather than on his mafia buddies who were safely voting elsewhere.
You say that I always vote late - that is true - but I will say that I like to take time to consider my choices before voting. I was wrong about Errandor (I had thought he lied, editing out a massive text wall does seem suspicious - imagine if any of us did that right now) and Jackal. But if I had not stayed late with my vote, I was able to save kitaman (who was confirmed town) from the mislynch.
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Also I would like to bring attention to what else Cyber_Cheese does. He accuses me of being on all of the majority lynches. That is true. But notice that Cyber_Cheese is never on a single one. In 3/4 lynches, he votes for side candidates who he knows will not get lynched and will consequently paint him in a bad light. This seems very quirky to me - it seems very much like Cyber_Cheese wants to avoid the spotlight of having made a poor vote. The one time that Cyber_Cheese does vote for one of the top candidates for the lynch, he's voting for ON against iGrok.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
Drazerk Ninja voted! - He's scum for sure!
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On September 30 2011 04:45 TranceStorm wrote:
Also I would like to bring attention to what else Cyber_Cheese does. He accuses me of being on all of the majority lynches. That is true. But notice that Cyber_Cheese is never on a single one. In 3/4 lynches, he votes for side candidates who he knows will not get lynched and will consequently paint him in a bad light. This seems very quirky to me - it seems very much like Cyber_Cheese wants to avoid the spotlight of having made a poor vote. The one time that Cyber_Cheese does vote for one of the top candidates for the lynch, he's voting for ON against iGrok.
There's only been a single majority lynch so far, and all three of the others were late swings in which TranceStorm had a participatory role.
He's been taking the votes late, looking to make sure it's safe to climb upon the wagon's and made sure he's voting with the majority to try to avoid suspicion by hiding amongst townies.
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On September 30 2011 05:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 04:45 TranceStorm wrote:
Also I would like to bring attention to what else Cyber_Cheese does. He accuses me of being on all of the majority lynches. That is true. But notice that Cyber_Cheese is never on a single one. In 3/4 lynches, he votes for side candidates who he knows will not get lynched and will consequently paint him in a bad light. This seems very quirky to me - it seems very much like Cyber_Cheese wants to avoid the spotlight of having made a poor vote. The one time that Cyber_Cheese does vote for one of the top candidates for the lynch, he's voting for ON against iGrok. There's only been a single majority lynch so far, and all three of the others were late swings in which TranceStorm had a participatory role. He's been taking the votes late, looking to make sure it's safe to climb upon the wagon's and made sure he's voting with the majority to try to avoid suspicion by hiding amongst townies.
Late swings in which his vote is unnecessary. Why would he do that unless he believed in the lynch as a townie?
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voting cyber_cheese. strongest defender of scum all game long, easy vote.
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On September 30 2011 05:56 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 05:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 30 2011 04:45 TranceStorm wrote:
Also I would like to bring attention to what else Cyber_Cheese does. He accuses me of being on all of the majority lynches. That is true. But notice that Cyber_Cheese is never on a single one. In 3/4 lynches, he votes for side candidates who he knows will not get lynched and will consequently paint him in a bad light. This seems very quirky to me - it seems very much like Cyber_Cheese wants to avoid the spotlight of having made a poor vote. The one time that Cyber_Cheese does vote for one of the top candidates for the lynch, he's voting for ON against iGrok. There's only been a single majority lynch so far, and all three of the others were late swings in which TranceStorm had a participatory role. He's been taking the votes late, looking to make sure it's safe to climb upon the wagon's and made sure he's voting with the majority to try to avoid suspicion by hiding amongst townies. Late swings in which his vote is unnecessary. Why would he do that unless he believed in the lynch as a townie?
If he raised evidence to vote someone else, he might have accidentally swung it back, and he could ensure he was on hand to swing it back in the right direction if it wavered.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Cyber, I'm trying to decide if you are a scum or just a newbie. I'm not sure I understand your case on Trance. How is it a scum agenda for him trying to move votes away from Palmar? That fact that there hasn't really been any opposition kinda worries me. Heist and GGQ come in with 1 liners, jumping on you, and Pyo and rayn have been completely absent.
Could you please explain your thought process on day two and day three for not voting iGrok? Also, why were you unwilling to switch on day 4 to save me, after I basically confirmed myself as town? It might be time for a role claim considering it seems pretty likely you're going to get lynched today.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
raynpelikoneet, I see you have posted in the other game. Could you give your thoughts on today's lynch please?
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On September 30 2011 08:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Cyber, I'm trying to decide if you are a scum or just a newbie. I'm not sure I understand your case on Trance. How is it a scum agenda for him trying to move votes away from Palmar? That fact that there hasn't really been any opposition kinda worries me. Heist and GGQ come in with 1 liners, jumping on you, and Pyo and rayn have been completely absent.
Could you please explain your thought process on day two and day three for not voting iGrok? Also, why were you unwilling to switch on day 4 to save me, after I basically confirmed myself as town? It might be time for a role claim considering it seems pretty likely you're going to get lynched today.
Radfield's agenda was to move votes to Jackal over Palmar, therefore whatever they were thinking, it's a scum agenda. I think the scum saw more potential for Jackal to pick up his game than for Palmar.
I was asleep during your presentation of evidence, I'm only awake now because I stayed back at work. As I've said multiple times, timezones were partially at fault for not last minute bandwagoning.
I'm Meriadoc Brandybuck, Hobbit of the Fellowship.
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On September 30 2011 08:58 kitaman27 wrote:
raynpelikoneet, I see you have posted in the other game. Could you give your thoughts on today's lynch please?
Sorry, just caught on and read all the comments after daychange. I'm pretty sure one of cyber/TS is scum, if you would ask me, i'd go with cyber rather than TS.
And also i don't think heist is scum anymore, as i thought before.
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On September 30 2011 09:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 08:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Cyber, I'm trying to decide if you are a scum or just a newbie. I'm not sure I understand your case on Trance. How is it a scum agenda for him trying to move votes away from Palmar? That fact that there hasn't really been any opposition kinda worries me. Heist and GGQ come in with 1 liners, jumping on you, and Pyo and rayn have been completely absent.
Could you please explain your thought process on day two and day three for not voting iGrok? Also, why were you unwilling to switch on day 4 to save me, after I basically confirmed myself as town? It might be time for a role claim considering it seems pretty likely you're going to get lynched today. Radfield's agenda was to move votes to Jackal over Palmar, therefore whatever they were thinking, it's a scum agenda. I think the scum saw more potential for Jackal to pick up his game than for Palmar. I was asleep during your presentation of evidence, I'm only awake now because I stayed back at work. As I've said multiple times, timezones were partially at fault for not last minute bandwagoning. I'm Meriadoc Brandybuck, Hobbit of the Fellowship.
If noone counteclaims, I should say i'm stupid, and we should kill TS. :o
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BTW, i assume you have had a possibility to PM with someone, right?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Could you assume why you think TS is scum?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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I won't now, i really need to sleep, i'll come with a case on him tomorrow, when i'm off work.
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