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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 03:03:19
September 29 2011 02:55 GMT
#2601
EDITTED OUT SPOILER TO SoIaF lolol
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 29 2011 02:58 GMT
#2602
YOU SPOIL ME NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE?

THAT'S IT. I DON'T CARE WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON.

##LYNCH CHAOSER
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 29 2011 03:03 GMT
#2603
Oh shit lol, I didn't know lol, my bad. I wasn't thinking
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 03:07 GMT
#2604
On September 29 2011 11:21 chaoser wrote:
He also never actually gets on anyone as scummy and has been cruising through this game so far.

Since you are rather indirectly asking for the list of people I think are scum:
TranceStorm; there's a few reasons in my filter from day 1/2 and one last night.
Archon_Toilet; comes in sporadically, votes someone at almost random, leaves.
GGQ; comes in sporadically, seems to give it about 2% more thought than Archon and leaves again.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 29 2011 03:09 GMT
#2605
Oh by the way I did look for your breadcrumbs Chaoser
On September 17 2011 03:51 chaoser wrote:
Winter is coming...

On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:
asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you.

On September 20 2011 08:19 chaoser wrote:
Woe is my life as I have been shot. Thankfully I am not dead. Don't worry though shooter, I have your bullet and I hope to return the favor. I always repay my debts.

On September 23 2011 23:01 chaoser wrote:
What a creepy slime. Like a kraken...

My sword of steel and iron tasted the salty blood of Radfield last night. No hostages were taken. Anyone can counter claim if they want but they're not going to get very far.

On September 23 2011 23:41 chaoser wrote:
Also, RIP Ned Stark =[ A great but stern man if I ever knew one. I hope one day that the wrongs that have fallen on his family are righted =[

On September 23 2011 23:53 chaoser wrote:
Sigh, woe is my life.

I am [b]Boromir, Lord of Gondor, Son of Man[b]

I can kill people if certain requirements, that I will not say, are fulfilled.

I am also bulletproof

I win together with town.

And that's upto somewhere on page 5 of the 13 in your filter so far, so I'm willing to believe you.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 29 2011 07:03 GMT
#2606
On September 29 2011 11:39 kitaman27 wrote:
meh I'm going to bed. draz could you explain your reasoning for choosing to protect chaoser over myself?


WIFOM

also the fact that I thought he would be taking a hit which he did
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 29 2011 07:05 GMT
#2607
Ill be busy for the next few hours by the way
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 11:37:18
September 29 2011 09:43 GMT
#2608
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry for being a dick. I had to be enough of a dick for mafia to not shoot me. Good luck! I'm totally cheering for town even though you guys suck!


GG!

[image loading]

My precious!
Computer says mafia
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 29 2011 16:06 GMT
#2609
well this is an active town...
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4405 Posts
September 29 2011 16:16 GMT
#2610
Hey everybody

I'm Archon_Toilet, cbf continuing the smurf noone is listening to me and it's become kind of pointless.

I've only read up to page 107, will post my thoughts once I burn through the rest of it.

Sucker for nostalgia
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 29 2011 16:19 GMT
#2611
On September 30 2011 01:06 Drazerk wrote:
well this is an active town...


Seriously...where is everyone?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 29 2011 16:20 GMT
#2612
On September 30 2011 01:19 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 01:06 Drazerk wrote:
well this is an active town...


Seriously...where is everyone?


Dunno

and please just use the smurf account toilet it's easier for me to filter that way >.>
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 29 2011 16:20 GMT
#2613
Drazerk, wanna lynch cyber with me?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 29 2011 16:21 GMT
#2614
On September 30 2011 01:20 chaoser wrote:
Drazerk, wanna lynch cyber with me?


Ill filter him and get back to you on it
Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 29 2011 16:29 GMT
#2615
On September 30 2011 01:20 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 01:19 chaoser wrote:
On September 30 2011 01:06 Drazerk wrote:
well this is an active town...


Seriously...where is everyone?


Dunno

and please just use the smurf account toilet it's easier for me to filter that way >.>

Ok done.

So most of those pages are just Palmar and chaoser spamming.

kitaman is cleared as far as I'm concerned. Drazerk is apparently confirmed medic, I still can't find where, chaoser is confirmed. rayne has been posting well still and I think he's ok too, same with jcarl despite my earlier analysis of him. I'm a vanilla townie, Erkenbrand Defender of the Westfold. Our last mafiosos remain among the 5 others in my opinion.
Question everything!
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 29 2011 16:30 GMT
#2616
Quick question - Who got role blocked?
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 29 2011 16:31 GMT
#2617
On September 21 2011 05:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
It's in the mafia's best interest to lure people away from discussions about scum, and on to things like lore and speculation on mechanics, and if they can speculate on mechanics and come up with a plan that may make them stronger at the same time all the better. With this in mind, I would like to revisit the possibility that the mafia atually did propose a plan to take control of the ring.
Now assuming you were the mafia, who would you assign to propose the pro-scum plan that may or may not go through?

In the words of MrWiggles (notably deceased):
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2011 10:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
As well, it seems unlikely that if it was a mafia ploy they would have had Jackal deliver the plan. Even if one could give away the ring during the day, it would draw a lot of attention to the person proposing it, due to certain short-comings. It makes more sense to get one of the lesser experienced mafia members to propose it, because heat being drawn to them isn't as bad, and it can more easily be passed off as not thinking it through enough.


Now, all this person really needs is a few quiet days while people slowly forget what he did day 1 if things go bad, so they *could* try to lurk until it all blew over.

With that in mind, lets take a second look at TranceStorm's plan to confirm townies-
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 14:36 TranceStorm wrote:
Debating about who should get the ring and what each role can or cannot do at the moment is pointless at the current time. However, I do like one of the plans that was proposed by a few people: having the person who successfully passed on the ring claim themselves. This way, we can enable a 'chain' to be made - i.e. the first player can confirm the second player once the second player has passed on the ring themselves. This is all dependent on the assumption that evil players cannot pass the ring themselves which as Radfield pointed out, is probably a true assumption.

Given this, however, this plan would probably only be effective for the first few 'passes' and perhaps near the end of the game when town circles become more clear. The risk after the first few days that the person holding the ring is killed, or has the ring stolen (which is a possible role according to the OP) makes the plan ineffective.

Therefore, I think that such a plan should work for the first 2 or 3 days to confirm at least one or two people. Any thoughts or ideas about this? I haven't fully fleshed this out yet (i.e. the possibility of fake claims is strong), but its probably a better discussion than the arbitrary finger-pointing going on at the moment.


This seemingly bad town plan has a ton of flaws.
-Townies might not be able to further pass the ring, and therefore not safely claim after the ring was given to them. The ring is now stuck on someone who can't move it, when the previous towns person could have moved the ring if he sensed danger.
-The difficulty of finding a new townie who the ring should be passed to. With every pass, the chance of the recipient being a scumbag increases. Self explanatory
-Bad payoffs. A 'confirmed' townie won't be able to accomplish much.
-The chance of scum lying to gain whatever town cred exsists. This admittedly could potentially force a counter claim, and get a scum lynched for one townie, but the chance of scum actually trying it is low.
-The assumption seems horribly scummy, it helps pave the way for scum to confirm themselves. It also seems to rely on a town aligned role with the power to search for the ring, just in case the scum player decided not to even try to pass it.
-The plan overall balances a low payoff with a rather low reward.

After the plan is dismissed, Trance proceeds to act wishy-washy and brings up a case on anyone he believes might legitimately form a bandwagon, before deciding to join a pre-exsisting one.
I don't have much to say about this part because I don't understand why all three major wagons were town, but I believe mafia have their reasons to want to flip both WBG and prphlz, and so they bandwagoned onto a convenient easy target in Errandor.
For the sake of this point, I advise you read through his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=27938

What I do know, is that DocH (deceased) was willing to oversee his plan rather quickly-
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 15:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
TranceStorm has a bad plan. Big deal, hopefully he can be made to see the problem with it. The main problem is that this game is not about confirming townies using mechanics we don't understand the goal is to find and catch scum.

If I'm not mistaken, that was among the most dismissive statements DocH said while he was alive.

At the same time DocH was gaining town cred by helping to dismiss the plan after townies already had (Yet another benefit.)
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 15:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We don't know anything about the ring. Passing it on to scum could have terrible consequences. If we knew exactly what the rings powers were and what powers each player had relating to it then we could maybe form some plan for its use but otherwise this discussion is pretty much off the table.

In the lore of LOTR the one ring basically reflects the power of its holder. A simple hobbit like Frodo simply becomes invisible holding it. But a powerful wizard like Saruman or god forbid Sauron could use it to become basically invincible/mind control/etc. And I'm not sure the ring will have evolving powers (just speculating) but hopefully my points be simple to understand

1. We have no idea what the extent of the consequences would be if the one ring were to fall into the hands of an evil player.
2. We have no idea what the ring even does other than the player who holds it or maybe some other role has knowledge.
3. It is not worth risking getting the ring on the wrong side of the town simply to MAYBE confirm a few players.


TranceStorm is Scum


He's been tunneling TS all game and yet he votes Palmer twice (Day 2 and 4) (a useless vote since he was never in danger of being lynched, why not just put your useless vote on TS then?), and for day 3 voted ON. He only voted TS day one. Even now he talks about how he thinks TS is scum but his vote never gets to rest there. If you're so convinced TS is scum why are all your votes meaningless (voting for non-majority people that aren't TS)?

SCUMMMMM
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 29 2011 16:31 GMT
#2618
On September 30 2011 01:30 Drazerk wrote:
Quick question - Who got role blocked?


Kita did
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 29 2011 16:32 GMT
#2619
On September 30 2011 01:20 chaoser wrote:
Drazerk, wanna lynch cyber with me?


Yeah I am fine with lynching cyber
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 29 2011 16:32 GMT
#2620
On September 30 2011 01:31 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 01:30 Drazerk wrote:
Quick question - Who got role blocked?


Kita did


ok that makes a bit more sense.
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