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On September 08 2011 14:49 GreYMisT wrote: THIS IS CHAOS! on that note ##Unvote ##Vote Chaos13 Hey >  Pre-game edit - stupid smilies not working properly. I was looking for an angry one. This will do  | ||
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On September 11 2011 07:29 GreYMisT wrote: I would like to make a motion to refer to all roles in this game as "Cutie Marks" that is all. Good god what sort of game have I signed up for? | ||
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On September 12 2011 09:18 Jackal58 wrote: Why do you guys assign significance to your post count? Because numbers mean something to these people. There's no understanding my generation, Jackal. Even I don't know why they do what they do. /confirm | ||
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On September 13 2011 09:30 GreYMisT wrote: Ok I see what you mean. How do you feel we should approach this closed setup on day 0/1? By lynching Jackal58, because he is mafia. Pony mafia. | ||
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On September 13 2011 09:51 Jackal58 wrote: lol It's hilarious how awesome I am at hunting scum, right? | ||
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On September 13 2011 10:13 Forumite wrote: It´s closed, so we can´t rely on cops, doctors and vigis. Still, I don´t think the core of the game has changed that much. There might be a 3rd Party, but I don´t expect multiple Scum-families like in Werewolf Mafia, the game is too small for that, and I don´t think GM would turn a Pony themed game into a slaughter like that game. Treating this as a normal games, with a few gimics, then we have talking, pressure and logic, the weapons of Town, and the hope of help from the blues. Personally, I don´t want to lynch lurkers or Jackal. Lynching Jackal for the fun of it is a mistake. Checking the last games, he´s often dead after the second night, mostly after he rolls Town and gets lynched anyway. He could be scum (Like in the CH game  ), but I´m not wasting time pushing to lynch him until he´s shown some real scumtells. Jackal does warrant a cop check though, if we have a detective out there. Voting, remember that it´s a majority lynch rule, the first day we need 8 votes, out of 13 players, to lynch. If we don´t, then noone dies, but scum gets a free night. I don´t want to go into what´s best between not lynching and getting a mislynch, just pointing out that if we want someone lynched, we need to agree as a whole and actively lynch. In this game, not voting on the leading candidate is a vote to save him. Hey, look at this. It's scum thinking my pressure on Jackal was real and not wanting to stand out by ignoring it. What exactly has Jackal done to warrant a cop check? | ||
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On September 13 2011 10:42 Forumite wrote: Please, you didn´t even attempt to make that pressure look anything but a joke. Answer the question. | ||
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On September 13 2011 10:54 Forumite wrote: Jackal is a good player, and if Town don´t lynch him to be safe, then Scum kill him off. We can´t do anything to stop a scumkill, but if he´s up for a lynch, then, judging by earlier results on lynching Jackal, it´s probably better to make a cop-check than lynching him blind. The cop doesn´t have to claim just because he checks, though, if he thinks he can survive to check a night or two more. So in other words you think he warrants a check because he has an equally good chance at being mafia as any other random person selected from the player list? | ||
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On September 13 2011 11:13 wherebugsgo wrote: lol this exchange is pretty funny, especially when you put it like that. Chaos do you think Forumite is mafia? I do. | ||
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On September 13 2011 11:53 Sevryn wrote: man i would love a daypost so we might have some more information to read into. Forumite asking for a cop to check a specific person is retarded in a closed setup. Chaos I think your reading a little to bit much into something that can just be he didnt think it through. I've made a mistake in the begining of a game that looked kinda scummy but was just me being retarded so ill reserve judgment untill I see some more of his opinions Not something I would expect from Forumite. His play in Cosmic Horror was solid, and I think I've played another game with him that he did very well in. If I live tonight I'll go back and check to confirm that. | ||
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On September 13 2011 11:53 Sevryn wrote: man i would love a daypost so we might have some more information to read into. Forumite asking for a cop to check a specific person is retarded in a closed setup. Chaos I think your reading a little to bit much into something that can just be he didnt think it through. I've made a mistake in the begining of a game that looked kinda scummy but was just me being retarded so ill reserve judgment untill I see some more of his opinions Sevryn, before you read the rest of my post please, answer this. What are the possible motivations for town making the posts and plans that Forumite did? Forumite What's this, it's less than 12 hours into Day 1 and somebody is doing analysis already?! Yeah, this should be a good game. But if you are Sevryn, wait until you've answered my above question before reading this. For the lazy, reading impaired, and forgetful, here is my first post once the game started. On September 13 2011 09:45 chaos13 wrote: By lynching Jackal58, because he is mafia. Pony mafia. This was intended to get some discussion going and because, well, I like calling Jackal scum. Normal reactions would include disregarding it completely or asking for explanation of why he is mafia. Forumite's reaction was this: On September 13 2011 10:13 Forumite wrote: Part 1 It´s closed, so we can´t rely on cops, doctors and vigis. Still, I don´t think the core of the game has changed that much. There might be a 3rd Party, but I don´t expect multiple Scum-families like in Werewolf Mafia, the game is too small for that, and I don´t think GM would turn a Pony themed game into a slaughter like that game. Treating this as a normal games, with a few gimics, then we have talking, pressure and logic, the weapons of Town, and the hope of help from the blues. Part 2 Personally, I don´t want to lynch lurkers or Jackal. Lynching Jackal for the fun of it is a mistake. Checking the last games, he´s often dead after the second night, mostly after he rolls Town and gets lynched anyway. He could be scum (Like in the CH game ), but I´m not wasting time pushing to lynch him until he´s shown some real scumtells. Jackal does warrant a cop check though, if we have a detective out there. Part 3 Voting, remember that it´s a majority lynch rule, the first day we need 8 votes, out of 13 players, to lynch. If we don´t, then noone dies, but scum gets a free night. I don´t want to go into what´s best between not lynching and getting a mislynch, just pointing out that if we want someone lynched, we need to agree as a whole and actively lynch. In this game, not voting on the leading candidate is a vote to save him. I've labeled these Parts 1, 2, and 3 for easy reference. Part 1 is fluff that anyone could have come up with. Mafia like fluff. It lets them look like they're doing something without actually having to give anything away about their alignment. Part 2 is where it gets interesting. Don't want to lynch lurkers, okay. Some explanation would be good for this. Why would you want to keep lurkers around? Wouldn't it be better to have them out of the way before LYLO? And you don't want to lynch Jackal, okay. Good, cause that was a random accusation to get things going. Lynching him for the fun of it? Let's back up the pretty pony bus here, nobody said anything about lynching him for fun. Forumite then gives a little description of Jackal's town meta, and specifically how he has a tendency to die when he is town. How useful. Then you say you won't push him until he shows scumtells. Good, good. You get an extra rainbow full of friendship. But I take it back for your next statement. Alright, so Jackal has done absolutely nothing this game so far, probably because it's just started, (or he's mafia, time will tell) and yet we should be DT checking him? Why not any of the other players on this roster? Part 3 - Welcome to Fluff Town So then I immediately pointed out how Forumite had decorated his home with mafia-themed curtains, and asked him a specific question. He answered with this... On September 13 2011 10:42 Forumite wrote: Please, you didn´t even attempt to make that pressure look anything but a joke. ...which tells me that what I did was joke pressure (derp) and completely ignores my question of what Jackal has done to warrant a DT check. That's cause Jackal has done nothing to warrant a DT check yet. This should be the biggest scumbell going off right now. Already we have 1. Posting fluff 2. Suspicious behavior regarding random pressure 3. Trying to control blue roles 4. Avoiding answering direct questions When pressured to answer the question, he comes up with this. On September 13 2011 10:54 Forumite wrote: Jackal is a good player, and if Town don´t lynch him to be safe, then Scum kill him off. We can´t do anything to stop a scumkill, but if he´s up for a lynch, then, judging by earlier results on lynching Jackal, it´s probably better to make a cop-check than lynching him blind. The cop doesn´t have to claim just because he checks, though, if he thinks he can survive to check a night or two more. So he's a good player. Alright, that means town should lynch him to be safe? Yeah, let's kill off our three best players because they might be scum. That'll work out well. So a cop should check Jackal so when we policy lynch him because he's a good player we won't end up taking out a townie. But the cop shouldn't necessarily claim. Well what the sunshine is the point of even checking him to stop his lynch (assuming Jackal is town) then? If one player knows he's town and doesn't want to lynch him, mafia know he's town but want to lynch him, and everyone else thinks he's mafia, he's gonna get lynched anyway. You're scrambling to hold on to the edge here Forumite. This is some of the strangest reasoning for a position I've ever seen in a game of mafia, and I can't see it coming from a town point of view. At this point a townie would have gone "Hmm, yeah I can see where I was going wrong here, this is a bad idea." A mafioso will go "Uhh crap I need to come up with an explanation for this position." Mafia want to pick a position and stick to it. Town is focused on catching scum, not worrying about hiding. This post is the perfect example of trying to alleviate the pressure on him so he can go back into his comfy little mafia zone hiding amongst everyone else. On September 13 2011 11:11 Forumite wrote: Hmmm, yeah, sounds about right. Jackal is the player in this game that I most want to know the alignment of. If he´s Town, then he can help a lot, and we definetly shouldn´t do Scum a favor and lynch him, let them waste a nightkill instead. If he´s Scum, then we find him with a check, even if he´s doing his best "confirmed Town" act. Do you disagree? Why on earth would be bother lynching him if we don't think he's scum? Why should this particular strategy apply to Jackal instead of absolutely everyone else? You're assigning importance to Jackal for no real reason. It's not like scum will be avoiding killing anyone else at all costs so they can take out Jackal, and not like DT's will be going "HMM, I wonder what Jackal's alignment is. I should check him and find out." They're going to do what anyone else in a game of mafia should be doing: reading the thread and making decisions based on what they see. Mafia are going to be looking for players who are active beyond the rest of the town and aren't derping themselves into the ground. Starting on N3 maybe they'll begin bluesniping, hoping to take out a DT or a vig who hasn't used their shot yet. DT's will be looking for scumslips or suspicious behavior. You know all this. You're just insisting that you don't so you can support that silly little statement you made earlier, because you have a guilty mindset that says you can't change your mind or opinion. Let's take a look at some more thoughts of his on this brilliant plan. On September 13 2011 11:40 Forumite wrote: Perhaps everypony else is better at finding breadcrumbs, lol Now back to the analysis. On September 13 2011 11:40 Forumite wrote: Okay, minor point on early breadcrumbing, good point on the Framer. Perhaps everypony else is better at finding breadcrumbs, but I´m having problems finding them even after the flip. It´s a small game, but we can´t be sure if there are any detectives or framers. If there is a framer or there exists no DTs, then this plan fails. I´d say it´s not very likely that there is a framer in the game, but we probably don´t want to risk it. Hey, look at that window over there! It says "Framer Loophole" on it, think I can fit through it? By now he's realized how scummy he is being by sticking to his same idea, so he looks for a way out. It's a meager way out, but mafia can wriggle when they want to. This is just weak. There are so many possibilities where your plan could have gone wrong that it shouldn't have taken so long to have one of them pointed out to you. The only reason you were sticking to it earlier is, as I mentioned, the guilty mindset that says you have to come up with an explanation for your initial reaction. ##Vote Forumite | ||
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On September 13 2011 21:33 Forumite wrote: Wall of text >.< Chaos13, Part 3 was definetly not fluff. This is not like most games on this forum, where 4 votes can lynch in a 20 player game. We need 8 votes on the same person to lynch today, and that changes a lot, for how scum play, and how town play, but mostly it means that we either agree or we don´t lynch at all, forcing everyone to be more aggressive with the voting. As for your random pressure, I knew it was random pressure. If I knew it was not serious, why would I defend Jackal? Yeah, I know it applies to the game, but if anyone isn't aware of it already it's because they haven't read the OP. The bolded is exactly my question. | ||
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And ##unvote Forumite responded like town and there's no way he's gonna be lynched today. My vote is useless on him. | ||
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Chaos13 - I'm quite sure Forumite did not understand the basis of you calling me scum. Actually I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in the game that understood it for what it was. A couple of games ago I informed Chaos that every game he does not call me scum on day 1 is due to him being scum. It was a truism that I'm sure he looked back on and realized I was right. I should have never told him that and let him languish in his inability to avoid a day 1 lynch when he's scum. But that was the reasoning behind his calling me scum. It's all WIFOM now. But it did make me laugh a bit. [QUOTE] No, I just wanted to do a random vote and I like calling you scum, cause I usually end up thinking it anyway. According to what you said it's Sknowman and redFF who call you scum D1 all the time when they're town. Although it applies to me as well, I think. | ||
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On September 14 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote: I'd hardly call it a wagon, He only had my vote+analysis, and Curu's Vote. What evidence do you have to back up your statement of "Not Mafia?" Not votes so much as general attitude. Read the past two pages for what I mean. The only evidence I have is that nobody is defending him in the slightest (except me now, lol). | ||
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On September 14 2011 10:27 GreYMisT wrote: Sinani Hasn't been on the past two pages, are we talking about the same player? Ctrl+F sinani on Page 15. You were even talking about him, so I don't know how you could have missed that lol | ||
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On September 14 2011 11:50 Curu wrote: It's not a lynch lurker policy. It's a lynch-the-player-I-know-will-be-the-most-Anti-Town-regardless-of-alignment wagon and that's sinani. Normally I would be in favour of lynching a scummy read rather than a policy one but sinani took it to ridiculous levels. You tell me what's wrong with this. ##Vote Curu | ||
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On September 14 2011 13:32 Curu wrote: chaos13 went from super convicted and huge walls of text on Forumite to "he's not going to get lynched today" (huh, there wasn't even any other candidate, what made you say that?) to voting for me with a complete blanket reason that he declines to explain or respond to me about. Yeah, cause everyone was voting for Forumite, of course he was gonna get lynched. Go back and read the reactions to it. For the most part it was either completely ignored or ineffectual, I think sevryn and one other voted for him. This post is why I'm voting for you On September 14 2011 11:50 Curu wrote: How are we supposed to be able to tell his alignment? It's the first day, you shouldn't be sure of anyone's alignment. Are you sure of someone's alignment? It's not a lynch lurker policy. It's a lynch-the-player-I-know-will-be-the-most-Anti-Town-regardless-of-alignment wagon and that's sinani. Normally I would be in favour of lynching a scummy read rather than a policy one but sinani took it to ridiculous levels. Just a snapshot of how his play makes me feel. Because you don't care whether he is town or scum. I would have voted you for this regardless of who you were attacking. If you think you've caught scum by attacking sinani, think again. Chances are everyone involved in this are town and scum are sitting back and laughing at it. Now take a step back, re-read, and figure out if you still think sinani is scum. | ||
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On September 13 2011 22:15 tnkted wrote: Eh, I'm not buying the forumite lynch. His initial statements were pretty lame, but he's been acting like an unjustly accused town since then. I want to shift town conversation back to Greymyst. Now I wanted to wait until after the nightpost to say this, but jackie beat me to it. This is a crazy scummy post. Its sheepy, and its a poor attempt to blend in with everyone, etc. His response to the pressure everyone gave him was this: Okay, lets look at the appeals he makes here. He doesn't try to defend his scummy post at all; instead he appeals to the emotional ("Would you rather I didn't post at all?") and then basically restates his first sentence. This is NOT how you react to pressure. A true townie would read their post and either say, "That wasn't scummy at all!" Or they'd defend themselves and explain what they meant. Greymyst did neither. Oh, and then the rest of his posts are all about the d1 post and the clues it might contain, which successfully shields him from having to hunt for scum. ## Vote Greymyst Namely the first line. I read that and went "Yeah, he kinda has", but after going over those posts again, he's probably scum. Take a look at tnkted's case here. I'd be willing to say he's a better town player than this. I don't have time to make a full analysis of him right now and I probably won't anyway since we need a majority to lynch. So vote Forumite. ##unvote ##Vote Forumite | ||
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On September 14 2011 21:20 Forumite wrote: I´m not following this argument, Chaos13, you are saying that you distrust something tnkted said, and that makes me scum? No, when I read tnkted's post I agreed with him without actually reading things over again. Then when I did read things over again I realized I still thought you were scum. I think tnkted is scum for other reasons, and I'll leave that alone until tomorrow or another day cause right now it would just be cluttering up the thread. Not a good thing to introduce new suspects this late into a majority lynch. | ||
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Are you saying my giant post on Forumite wasn't an explanation of why I'm voting for him? I was pretty sure I outlined it fairly well there. | ||
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Which is why lynching lurkers on D1 usually ends up producing shitty results. They are free to push the lynch off of one of their own lurkers (if any) to a town lurker and actually be supported by the whole town in it rather than scrutinized. Oh well. I need to collect my thoughts on this game. It's been a bit of a mess so far. | ||
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On September 15 2011 19:07 Lucidity wrote: Why do you think it happened fast? i.e. Please quantify your understanding of "fast" with evidence to back up your claim that it did happen fast. The same way I saw it happen. Yeah the votes didn't necessarily pile up all at once, but nobody mentioned having a problem with lynching him until I came along, and I was jumped on for that. As soon as his name was mentioned along with the tag lurking everyone immediately went "Yeah, he's anti-town." That's how it built up fast. | ||
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