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Chainsawing for Nemesis. | ||
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On September 08 2011 04:27 bumatlarge wrote: I'm not role fishing, im simply stating that I think everyone has an ability. No one needs to counter claim that, but I half my fun in mafia is speculation. Don't think anyone should be voting anyone yet, we need 9 for a lynch, so silly accusations aren't gonna cut it 5 minutes into the game. What does needing 9 for a lynch have to do with your idea that we shouldn't be voting each other? | ||
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You have a lot of "people misrepresented and twisted words, they're scum" in your posts but you're doing the exact same thing. GGQ did not point any finger at you, he was asking JeeJee why he chose to vote GGQ instead of you. | ||
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TAA's posts have been a lot of nothing relevant. I feel best about him, especially with his response to Bayonnet's post. He says it's good analysis but then that it's all irrelevant because it's an OMGUS. If it's good analysis it obviously isn't an OMGUS. | ||
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On September 09 2011 06:20 Mig wrote: Palmar how is iGrok opening the game with a planned vote on BA impulsive? The iGrok defense doesn't make sense. All he did was put a vote on the smurf basically stating it is nothing and just a pressure vote. So how exactly is that putting himself out there? Also I don't know why you guys are even defending him in the first place. What does iGrok as scum stand to gain by doing what he was doing? BA wasn't going to get lynched from what he posted and if he just wanted somewhere easy to park his vote well there were a plethora of other people random voting for no reason, he could've just blended right in. @Bayonnet I really don't see posting stuff like "I'm on edge" being a Mafia tell. Mafia would be more careful not to post stupid shit like that. You're taking iGrok's play on day 1 in the first few pages (this game) and saying he's scum because it's not the same as iGrok's play on like day 4 or 5 of another game (XLIV). Well duh it's going to be different, there's actual material to go off when you're on day 4/5 while no one has a solid read on anyone else on day 1. The only actual scummy thing I've seen from iGrok so far is this: On September 08 2011 11:20 iGrok wrote: Look, if you want to tunnel someone, that's fine. Just pick someone else to fight with. Where he doesn't try to discourage tunneling even when it's harmful to Town. I would feel good with TAA today. On September 09 2011 04:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote: random vote, ergo scum, is a pretty bad base for an analysis. the rest of your analysis is pretty good but starting it of with that random vote makes me think you are mainly attacking him because he voted for you. On September 09 2011 06:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote: ##unvote ##vote bumatlarge of iGrok and GGQ, iGrok is the scummiest but the case against either is pretty bad. From "case is good" to "case is OMGUS" to "case is bad, let's vote bumatlarge" (where did the case against bum come from?). | ||
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Palmar calling him sure Town is ridiculous as well, but that's Palmar. Posting in stupid hyperboles is what he does. Let's lynch TAA. | ||
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On September 09 2011 10:15 chaos13 wrote: I'd switch to TAA or iGrok if I thought either of them were good lynches. The question raised now is which is worse - no lynch or town lynch? One of them at least gives us information from a flip. Cause it doesn't look like GGQ will be hanging tonight. What makes you think GGQ is a better lynch? Your post about him was pretty neutral but now he's the best lynch? | ||
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So did these 5 votes come out of thin air? Or are they the entire Mafia team all early voting the same lynch? That WBG is trying to accuse me of being the only reason TAA is picking up heat is ridiculous. | ||
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xtfftc's post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261732¤tpage=13#250 Full of contradictions. He is pressing Palmar for calling GGQ a bad lynch, then goes and calls GGQ a bad lynch in the very next paragraph of the same post. Also the hedging of his vote by calling TAA possible "bad Town." | ||
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If you think TAA will flip Town why not try to push someone you feel is a better lynch or actually stop his lynch instead of pre-emptively trying to assign blame? | ||
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On September 09 2011 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I say we keep it between TAA and iGrok. Either is an acceptable lynch to me but I'm not sold on GGQ. I'll switch off iGrok if we require lynching assistance To "Curu is scum because he started the votes on TAA" before the lynch has even gone through. If you think he's an acceptable lynch clearly you think there's a decent chance he will flip scum. And yet you're acting sure now that he will flip Town. What gives? | ||
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I actually agree with Zona's post, most of the votes on TAA's wagon are pretty sheepish. Reading through TAA's past games though, the ones where he's been scum he never has a strong opinion, which fits with his play here, whereas as Town in AA he hooks onto Pyo as a scumread and pushes him hard over and over, and in XLIII he was sure enough of his day 1 read on JeeJee to fakeclaim Vig in spectacularly derp fashion. | ||
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It took me 3 games to come to that realization myself after watching Town self destruct in Personality, hope you'll learn that lesson faster  . | ||
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If anyone else has questions shoot for the stars. | ||
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I'd like to hear more from sandroba who is playing far below his Town standards thus far. | ||
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@Palmar It was in postgame discussion for Personality Mafia, I was complaining about every Town Vig being neutered in dying if they shot Town, Ace said he was thinking about using that mechanic in his upcoming game. | ||
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On September 10 2011 12:52 Mig wrote: I voted TAA for the same reasons everyone else did. Inconsistent opinions, contradicting himself and his play was far far below what I know he can play as town. Look at his play in WaW2 (scum) and compare it to his town play in RTM. He can be quite good and do a lot of scum hunting but this game he obviously was putting 0 effort in. But looking back on it it was a dumb vote. I should have put more weight into looking at the people who were on his bandwagon. Curu, Sandroba, palmar, iGrok are the 4 people I am most suspicious of and all of them jumped on TAA very quickly. Curu and palmar both went out of their way to defend iGrok yesterday. Not only did they defend him saying they thought he was town but Curu then began the TAA bandwagon. His play is extremely similar to XLIV where we were both mafia. I was in danger of being lynched early so curu started up counter lynches against weak targets to save me. He thought TAA was a good lynch but then turned around and says I am scummy for starting what he thought was a valid wagon. I can understand where WBG is coming from from that angle because he thought TAA was a bad lynch all along, but this just looks like posting with an agenda from Mig. He's also a good enough player to know that me and Palmar aren't herpderp stupid enough to go blatantly defend iGrok from pretty much nothing. I did not see anything legitimately scummy from iGrok's posting besides some herpderp language (once again, herpderp language posting is what I used to secure multiple mislynches in XLIV). If all three of us were scum then the moment iGrok flips me and Palmar would be screwed. | ||
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Of three of you sandroba has put in the least effort with the scummiest vote. Mig is posting but the actual content is much worse than what should be expected from him. Palmar I can't tell one way or the other right now. Outside of those three would be GGQ. sinani is being attacked as the easy target but what motivation would he have for purposely avoiding the thread instead of just jumping on the easy TAA wagon if he was scum? Nisani/sinani always look like the scummiest players in the game no matter what alignment they are, attacking them for derp posting rather than actual Mafia objective pushing is like attacking Kenpachi for lurking. Again this is something I'm pretty sure an objectively posting Mig would notice. sinani if you're Town step the hell up too. Going after small-fry for derp posting is a bad habit I had in my first few games and each time Mig could see that I was on the wrong track (supersoft in AA, Sevyrn in XLIII). And come on Mig, you know better than that. When I think someone is scum I do the same drown-out-arguments-turn-everything-you-say-into-something-scummy thing WBG is doing now. I realized that the tunnely overaggressive crap is anti Town and dropped it. What points from WBG do you think are accurate? Point them out for me. | ||
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People who jumped onto TAA after me with poor reasoning: Jackal58, no mention of iGrok, says that GGQ isn't a good vote. iGrok, quick jump onto TAA, cites a reason as TAA attacked someone for defending himself, doesn't mention sandroba for attacking iGrok himself for pretty much the same reason. sandroba, doesn't think GGQ is a good lynch, wants iGrok, quick jump onto TAA. xtfftc, attacks Palmar for saying he likes TAA as a lynch better than GGQ, then turns around and says the exact same thing that he likes TAA as a lynch better than GGQ or iGrok. Basically attacks Palmar for something he showed in his post that he agreed with. bumatlarge, likes both iGrok and GGQ lynches, then switches gears into TAA and liking Mig/Palmar instead. Of these, I think sandroba looks the worst. sandroba because of meta reasons mostly; it isn't like him to only lightly push iGrok then switch completely. In XLIII he was scum and when his teammate came under fire day 1 he pushed lightly/FoSed him but with no real weight behind it. He's also been a lot more useless compared to his usual Town play. Finally Mig's contributions and reasoning have been a lot worse than what I would expect from him. He wagons onto WBG's attack on me for starting the TAA vote when he admits during the night that he himself thought TAA was a valid vote. His pushes on Palmar because of Palmar defending iGrok are really weird considering he just finished a game where Palmar did the exact same thing and his attack on sinani for derping around is very unlike him, especially when there's more solid material in the thread to work with. The situation is almost exactly like supersoft in AA where supersoft lied about being active in PMs when he hadn't PMed anyone at all, except I was the one foaming at the mouth wanting to lynch supersoft for his lie and Mig was the one telling me that that alone did not show super was Mafia. | ||
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On September 10 2011 23:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Did you read my post on the last page? When I reread the thread I didn't find anything that Mig said that scummy. I don't see how his behavior aligns with a mafia agenda...yet. The difference between your suspicion on me and Mig's suspicion on me was how you two viewed the TAA wagons. You actually pointed out that the votes were piling too fast and made some effort to stop the wagon, Mig did not. In fact Mig himself admitted he thought TAA was a good vote but then turned around and followed you in calling me scummy for starting the TAA vote. He's bandwagoning and calling me scum for voting on a lynch that he agreed with me on. | ||
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Let's kill Mig. ##Vote Mig | ||
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Still wouldn't oppose to either but would prefer Mig definitely. | ||
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Unlike Mig. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote sinani You got a single original thought in your head Jackal? Why do you think I'm scum? Who else do you think is scum? | ||
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On September 11 2011 10:16 sinani206 wrote: What is your favorite role in mafia and why? Compulsive Vigilante I love having the ability to take the responsibility into my hands to kill scum. I like the power. If you are Town step up and take responsibility and contribute something. Fucking anything. You aren't even playing this game, why bother to sign up? Your favourite role is CVig but you don't even pretend to try to play the game. What a joke. I really hope you're scum. | ||
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The fact that you've put more effort into making a post in DrH's thread than you have into anything this game is ridiculous. | ||
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If no one else is willing to put any effort to play this game, I see no reason why I should either. But rather than lurk around as a mislynch or modkill, at least I'll give you guys the pleasure of dealing with Kurumi instead. | ||
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Palmar basically took everything that made his chaotic playstyle Pro Town and removed it, keeping the anti Town and unhelpful elements while eliminating the parts that actually helped find scum. Jackal has been beyond useless which isn't like him as Town. I don't even know what the fuck sinani is doing. If he does flip Town he needs to be policy lynched day 1 of every game from here on out. | ||
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I had bum marked as a VT trying to draw a hit from his opening post but Zona raises a good point. I'm not as inclined to believe in Mafia finding the breadcrumb as I am in Mafia wanting to hitblock Zona in case she was a Vet, but that's all idle speculation anyways. The analysis on bum looks good though. Convenient that bum avoids the thread besides his TAA vote until called out. bum you mentioned yesterday you wanted to keep an eye on Palmar/Mig, now you suddenly vote sandroba with no mention of either? What gives? | ||
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There is no reason for sinani to be posting like such a twat. My guess is that the Mafia team coached him to take on a "I don't give a fuck" attitude to avoid lynch and told him to specifically avoid commenting on anything in the game (his twin Nisani gave away his entire scumteam in Merc Mini when pressured, derpy derp derp). If this is actually Town sinani he needs to be banned or policy lynched day 1 every game. Palmar you can't actually believe WBG is scum. In the past you have based good Town reads off of people derping around or playing poorly but not having any Mafia motivation in them (all the mislynches in XLIV, iGrok this game, you're clearing the smurf for it). I don't see why a Mafia WBG would push me in such an antagonizing fashion, it's basically begging for me to OMGUS him or to paint him as scum when I flip Town. The "scumslip" is entirely dumb, it's his third game and in the previous two Mafia KP was #/2. Jackal there is zero Mafia motivation for Zona to claim a shot + RB. She was never going to be lynched anytime soon. sinani looks like a much stronger lynch than TAA but the people who jumped on TAA quickly (bum, xt, sandroba, Jackal) and Palmar aren't touching it. Obviously they can't all be scum but there's probably a good chance many of them are. | ||
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On September 12 2011 01:29 BayonnetAnderson wrote: Please, town sandroba doesn't do this, I don't care what he's promised, notice how he showed up less than 6 hours after my analysis to promise more contribution? The guy is scum, no bones about it. I'm also ok with the bum lynch, although I'm convinced WBG's "slip" isn't one, he's been way too fearless to be scum. I've been wrong in the past, but if WBG flipped red I would be exceedingly surprised. Oh I agree but I'm perturbed at how quickly bum jumped on sandroba when sinani was the easy lynch today. | ||
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But why bum when you wanted other people to be lynched Zona? | ||
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chaos13 he has played two games where both times KP was scum/2. There was extended discussion in both games about hitting Mafia to reduce KP. I am not willing to lynch him over a "slip" when I didn't have a scum read on him in the first place. | ||
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On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote: [/b]And Sinani206 is using the I-don't-give-a-shit attitude he sometimes dons when he plays terribly. It's terrible, but it's TOWN. I can't believe this guy is even up for lynching today, he got deflected on after WBG scumslipped like a boss faster than lightning, what the hell guys? Palmar where are you coming from with this? I just went through all of sinani's games and in none of them has he ever adopted this attitude. Looks scummy as fuck, yes, but never just troll/flat out refuse to play. | ||
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On September 12 2011 14:48 sinani206 wrote: sorry im terrible gg sinani no one cares if you play terrible or your reads are wrong. What pisses me (and a lot of other people) off is when you just don't give a shit and are not willing to put any effort into the game. If you don't want to do shit, don't sign up. I personally don't care if your reads are wrong or you are derping around as long as you put some godamn effort into the game. Doing what you did this game destroys Mafia games and discourages people from wanting to play the game. After sleeping for a night I won't be a little bitch and I'll finish the game out. In case anyone thinks this was some stupid fake rage ploy by me to gain Town cred: On September 06 2011 14:47 Curu wrote: /confirm Towny force assemble! I breadcrumbed the Townie PM there. If you look into any post I've ever made in any past game, I always spell it Townie. Purposely spelled it like that for Ace's role PM. I'll post about my thoughts closer to the deadline. sinani, please don't ever play like this again. | ||
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The only thing that would make you look Town is the fact that you have a daykill but in a closed setup with Ace hosting I wouldn't give much weight to that. | ||
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The smurf just has walls of text tunneling one single person each day without really commenting on anything else. I was a bit suspicious of him earlier but his latest post really blows him into scummy waters IMO, rather than consider all possibilities he only pushed both Pro-Mafia stances on my breadcrumb. I reacted a similar way in WaW2 as scum to Drazerk's claim. | ||
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This is the part WBG: On September 11 2011 18:27 Palmar wrote: Curu is almost definitely town, thing about people going emotional is that it makes it very easy to pick out actual frustrated town, and scum trying to blend in with that atmosphere, something I'll come back to later. The only problem with Curu as town is that his reads are below his standards, but his posting is way too natural and unrestricted for him to possibly be scum. His reads were pretty much the same as mine except we disagreed about WBG. We agreed on everything else yet he calls my reads below my standards. Zona I don't think is Mafia, possibly a bulletproof Serial Killer (that claim perfect matches a SK's) but I'm assuming if there was a Medic they would have counterclaimed Zona already if they did not protect her, which leads me to believe either her claim is legit or she's a SK. | ||
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The smurf's post: On September 13 2011 04:33 BayonnetAnderson wrote: Last time a player crumbed flavor text in an Ace game he was instantly modkilled (deconduo in Closed Casket mafia), as Ace considers crumbing flavor to be a violation of the "don't post PM's from the host" rule. If curu is telling the truth, then he will be modkilled, which *royally* sucks, if he *isn't* modkilled then I think I'll have to conclude he is lying. I'm ok with a medic protecting either you or me, as I think we are the most "obvious" town left. Also, I'm probably going to be afk for the next 24 hours, as I have things to do and places to be Very much indicates a Pro Mafia mindset. He isn't willing to confirm me as Town or even consider it, instead pushing the idea that I must either be modkilled or that I am lying scum. Skepticism over the breadcrumb is plausible but not to the point where you only can only consider the two possibilities that are not helpful to Town. He has shown up to super tunnel a person each day without considering or commenting on any of the other candidates. His shot does not align with Mafia objectives, I agree, since flipping iGrok made me look a lot better, but if he is a Mafia Day Vig that was the only plausible shot he could make without looking super scummy. | ||
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Sorry for my rage earlier. | ||
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-Until sinani starts seriously trying to play this game I am going to be pushing hard for his policy lynch no matter what in future games (I have to shamefully admit that half the reason I replaced into GMarshal's Pony game was to get sinani lynched). -My day 1 push is always wrong. I believe this to be so because I have very, very poor ability from being able to distinguish stupidly posting Townies from scum. -I need to push Mig harder whenever he says stupid shit. -The reason I didn't push BA harder after his stupid shot was because I almost expect Town Vigs to take retarded shots now. I thought about how scummy his shot looked but then I thought about how youngminii shot ON 6 hours into day 1 as a Town Day Vig too. I was able to reaffirm a scum read on him due to his reaction to my breadcrumb though. -That breadcrumb was probably dirty play. This is why in any games I host I will be posting example PMs so people can't do that. I got the idea from the game I played as scum where half the Town confirmed themselves by comparing their win conditions and role PMs (Caller's game). Sorry Ace! -Palmar was the most obvious scum in the world on Day 3. That's why you shouldn't rely on power roles for everything! -I feel like had sandroba had the time to post the first few days the game might have turned out very differently. -I never would have caught chaos until the point where he had an obvious agenda lynching bum Day 3. Actually I pretty much just ignored all his posts because I was focusing on my other reads. Oops. Thanks for hosting Ace. | ||
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