Resurrection Mafia

On September 01 2011 10:47 Varpulis wrote:

Ah, that.

On September 01 2011 09:37 Varpulis wrote:
Role confirmed. Ground rules for a good game and a happy Varpy:

• no spamming. Be efficient with your posts and try to make each one count. we don't need to hear every thought you have, so if you want to say something, organize your thoughts and put them all into ONE post
  
• no lurking. Be active and constructive. We won't be able to get an accurate read on you if you have no posts, and I don't want to have to resort to lurker lynches to get rid of people like that, especially in such a small game.
  
• no trolling. I understand that you want to have fun in a mafia game, but please don't do it in a way that will ruin the experience for others. fake claiming randomly falls into this category. I would discourage fake claiming in general, but in certain situations it serves a purpose. If you don't have a good reason, don't claim to be a role that you're not.
  

As an aside, claims should never be trusted outright. If we trust every claim, mafia will claim with impunity and we'll get destroyed.

Palmar, could we try to start discussion without you tunneling the first person you see?

On August 02 2011 05:00 Varpulis wrote:
Alright guys, it's game on. I'd like to start with a suggestion. It's very basic, but very vital.

Vig's, be you day or night, holster your gun and try to ignore the itch of your trigger finger. This holds true in every game, but it's especially important in this one. Look at the role list, and see how much kp we potentially have in the game. Every vig role has two shots, half of them can shoot during the day. That's a lot of kp that will be a lot more useful later on.

Dayvigs: If you must shoot, claim and let us discuss. If you're willing to shoot, make sure that you've got approval from the town. Gut shots are wrong as often as they're right.

Hatters: You guys are special, because even if the scumbag mafia doesn't kill you, your bob-ombs will still go off. You also can't move them, so I don't think it's a smart idea to place them from the get go. Wait a day/night cycle, at least. It's for the good of everybody.

With that said, let's get to the game and kill us some scum. As an aside, i'm currently very dissapointed that Kurumi didn't give me my favorite class, though I guess it can't be helped, he wasn't in the game anyways.

On August 15 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote:
We need to be careful about lynches in this game. A lot of lynches have ended up tied in the past, and they worked out because of the most votes first mechanic(an example of this is DrH's experimental haunted mafia, day 1 lynch), but could end in disaster in this one. Double lynching by mistake is a good way to lose quickly and painfully.

Also, i'm going to be cracking down on people who are voting for people who are unlikely to get lynched without seriously pushing for such a lynch. It's practically an abstain vote, and abstain votes are scummy as all hell.

On August 19 2011 12:58 Varpulis wrote:
to be quite honest i completely skipped Navillus' wall of text. As always, i think we should declare an open season against lurkers. If scum lurk, they die. Period.

why is kenpachi smurfing as lucidity?

On July 26 2011 04:19 Varpulis wrote:
Alright I'm caught up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but an accurate summary of the proceedings today is:

Jackal claims HP, ON claims voldy, ON dies, people say that Jackal is lying. YM kills ON, gets killed by tackster, supersoft kills tackster. Kitaman is lurking, Kurumi is trolling/soliciting votes.

I'm uneasy about lynching Jackal based purely on role speculation. I'd rather keep an eye on him and keep him the hell away from the hallows.

I'd be fine with lynching kitaman27 at the moment. Nobody vote for Kurumi, k?

On June 14 2011 11:02 Varpulis wrote:
Let's roll, bitches. RoL is scum. Nobody mason him.

On June 14 2011 12:01 Varpulis wrote:
A couple of guidelines for blues/players in general:

• Don't mason people at random right away and certainly do not mason people who ask you to unless you're damn sure that they're town.
  
• In this setup, it might be worth detectives checking strong players night 0, so that you have a confirmed townie who knows what he's doing to mason should you need somebody to discuss things with later on.
  
• Medics should pick their protects from a pool of players that you'd like on the town's side later on. Mafia is likely to try to eliminate strong players before they have a chance to scumhunt.
  
• Vigis should absolutely not be shooting night 1. Your chances of hitting scum only get better if you be patient.
  
• In PMs:
  -Do not roleclaim
  -Do not assume that the player that you're talking to is not mafia
  

That's all that I can think of atm. If you agree, disagree, or would like to add suggestions, do so. Let's get this discussion started.

On September 01 2011 11:39 Ace wrote:
you cant seriously be this useless

On September 01 2011 11:54 OriginalName wrote:
Why are we still disscussing Null-tells and passing it off as meta.

Red anything you want to add that actually is from this game? Because imo right now your digging yourself a grave.

On September 01 2011 12:03 Varpulis wrote:

what happens in almost every game?

People lurk, peoplePalmar spams, and the trolling bit is mostly just so i could fit in my "don't fakeclaim" thing, because apparently people don't know that. If you've been following XLIV, a fakeclaim got our medic killed (it was the medic fake-claiming).

I thought it was pertinent to add that little tip.

On September 01 2011 12:20 Varpulis wrote:

nice tunnel bro.

On September 01 2011 12:31 sinani206 wrote:
/confirm

Meta and policies aren't a good enough case for a lynch right now.
The subject of Varpulis was a nice way to start discussion, but there's no need to tunnel.

All of redFF's posts, however are very short and tangential, except for his analysis of Varpulis that was based entirely on meta. FoS redFF.

On September 02 2011 02:32 Varpulis wrote:



These are WBG's only 2 posts in game, barring a question to the host. I know you can do better than this. Step it up and contribute.

On September 02 2011 03:53 sandroba wrote:
Okay, I've read the thread now and it's shit. Let's not lynch varpulis now because it's dumb. Everyone is jumping on this silly bandwagon without any evidence at all. Omg he posted a "useless" post when there was nothing to talk about yet, he must be scum trolololol. Read what Ace said, he knows his shit.
No sense in posting responding to every and each single post of this thread, collect your thoughts and post them all toghether neatly.

@redFF why do you think ON is town? He has a 2 posts that don't say much.

It's funny you say that because him and bum are on the top of my watch list right now.

On September 02 2011 12:00 bumatlarge wrote:


It wouldn't be a waste of a lynch, it would technically be a no lynch with a free check and a confirmed unlynchable. But since the unlynchable can only be revived once its better to wait at least one more day. The first two people are going to get revived anyway. You don't think the high priest should revive day 1?

On September 03 2011 01:40 sinani206 wrote:
Meh.
I'm the first suspect in this game too, it seems.

Anyway, I can see that I'm not going to get a case for redFF going, so I'm going to change to bumatlarge, who was my next suspect anyway.

##Vote: bumatlarge

On September 03 2011 06:47 sandroba wrote:
Let's not lynch sinani, he is scummy despite alignment and I don't see anything that jumps scum in his posts so far. Let's lynch Bum and ON gogogo consolidate fast.

On September 03 2011 04:10 Varpulis wrote:
Alright, It looks like trying to convince you guys not to lynch me is a lost cause (admittedly i did a pretty poor job to begin with, but that's beside the point) I'm going to filter everybody and give my brief opinions on them. They won't be taken seriously now, i know, but hopefully they'll have more weight when a coroner checks me, which should happen eventually.

The people saying that we shouldn't revive lynches are right. If scum want a lynch back, let them do it themselves. Zombies are temporary, so unless they're as scummy as scummy can be, lynching them night not be necessary. If they're increasing kp, by all means lynch lynch lynch, but if you believe mafia to have, for example, 3 players left, a zombie won't actually increase their kp, so you might as well just wait for them to die. High priest should be reviving night kills, because those are far more likely to be town.

Without further ado, my reads:

Jackal58 + Show Spoiler +

RedFF + Show Spoiler +

Sknowman + Show Spoiler +

Kenpachi + Show Spoiler +

Wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler +

sinani206 + Show Spoiler +

Drazerk + Show Spoiler +

jcarlsoniv + Show Spoiler +

Ace + Show Spoiler +

OriginalName + Show Spoiler +

Palmar + Show Spoiler +

Chaos13 + Show Spoiler +

bumatlarge + Show Spoiler +

tl;dr

the following people are scummy:

WBG
sinani206
Chaos13
bumatlarge

Out of that pool, I'd like to lynch either sinani or bum. I'll look at the vote counts (I think i'll have to look through manually, but whatever) then make my decision with a proper accusation.

On September 03 2011 05:13 Ace wrote:
## vote chaos13

Let chaos reign!

On September 03 2011 06:23 Palmar wrote:
he voted for chaos13: I'll just say this now, I can't conclude chaos13's alignment. Like, I think he's town but someone else needs to pick up the slack. I simply can't know his alignment because his play is illogical.

On September 03 2011 07:53 sandroba wrote:
What? A little while back you criticised the silly bandwagon forming on varp and now you are voting for him? Why not on the way more useless and non contributory ON? You said yourself that you didn't want to double lynch day1 and even sugested we used our priest to revive one of the lynches. What is anti-town about his idea of lynching the scummiest lurker + a normal lynch?
The very good analysis you are refering to is basically redFF saying one of the first posts on the thread is non contributory and appearing to be pro-town. He pointed out that he did so as scum in a previous game, in which he got lynched day 1 for it. If you are judging only meta from his very first post, do you really think he would do the same shit again? Or do you think it's more likely that despite the risk of getting lynched he was legimately concerned about spamming/lurking/trolling going on in the recent tl games?

On September 01 2011 21:43 bumatlarge wrote:
Ill talk about wherebugsgo later today. Let's say I'd make him out to be similar to sandroba in terms of intelligence

On September 02 2011 11:36 bumatlarge wrote:


We should be reading more into the role list we have. This is an extremely odd set-up where lynching and killing is not completely based around eliminating scum. In fact, basing our tactics on that is short-sighted and I mean to remedy this.

Dead players create a "pool" of suspects that a coroner can utilize. I am fairly certain we have 1 or 2 coroners, or else the game has a ridiculous set-up. In a way, the first lynch is really important, yet not as cruel with the Resurrection mechanic. We immediately lynch two players, and the coroner(s) must choose between them. I don't see how intentionally misleading roles like millers or sanity can be in this game, so I'm assuming what a coroner get's is 100%. So this is what I'm thinking, and I'm sure I haven't been the first person to speculate.

If we have an unlynchable claim, and we put a few votes on him along with someone else we deem scummy, we can economically manage our now chaotic lynching power into something very useful and organized at this point in the game. The priest and coroner can double team the other dead person and hold on to what they get. Most likely the unlynchable will get shot, and the high priest can devote his power in keeping that person alive, while the coroner can go to town, and if mafia ever stop shooting the unlynchable, we get a confirmed town.

Its extremely unlikely for mafia to have an unlynchable themselves without town having a direct counter to such shenanigans. Think about it, that one mafia member would have to be shot by the unlynchable, or he wins the game by himself. There are multiple loopholes to this plan, like perhaps a 1 lynch immune mafia that could "prove" himself, or perhaps a mafia watcher who can see who visits a dead person (goodbye priest and coroner :X)

Thoughts on this? Also varpulis wagon is hilarious, though I'm not taking my eyes off him, the fact that that many people gunned on him from the little thing I picked up without questioning everything else gives us some great partners for unlynchable if this can follow through. I mean at worst mafia figures out who they can't push a lynch on?

Can a High Priest revive the same person more then once?

On September 02 2011 11:47 bumatlarge wrote:


It is a compliment, read XLIV, he nailed me role and alignment, but I can't say more then that, figure it out yourself

##Unvote varpulis

I still find it likely that varpulis can be scum (redff has made good points), but in the event that he is not, I would look heavily into these people, in order of scuminess IMO.

Kenpachi - FoSing redff then voting varp. Every game I reset what I think kenpachi would do as each alignment. In this instance he's given more then he usually does, and it stands out as illogical even for kenpachi.

Palmar - For once jumping on a wagon rather then making his own 8 billion reasons. This stands out.

redff - Seems completely legitimate, but he is capable of such a ploy as scum. He's bottom tier in this.

So Kenpachi > Varp > Palmar > redff.
##Vote Kenpachi

On September 01 2011 11:05 OriginalName wrote:


...Meta lynching? Reals?

On September 02 2011 15:40 OriginalName wrote:
Where the fuck are Drazerk and Sknowman?

Also the one thing I've noticed from posting today is Kenpachis vanilla claim. Firstly why do it? He's trying to establish townieness then basically asks a few questions then completely drops off the face of the earth. Nothing else seems to come out of him and I personally don't mind offing him.

Also along with the above the last time he claimed townie and lurked he flipped scum.

So in recap:

For shitposting and meta I vote

##Vote: Kenpachi

On September 03 2011 09:23 OriginalName wrote:


We dont know that for sure. Settle down there is probably more going on right now than is clear to us.

On September 03 2011 10:42 wherebugsgo wrote:


-_-

What analysis? You just tunneled them to hell.

Why do you suspect bum/ON and palmar?

On September 03 2011 13:28 wherebugsgo wrote:


The thread is chock full of null tells right now, how many times do I have to say this?

The only exceptions are you and chaos13, and honestly that's not difficult to see now.

On September 03 2011 22:56 sandroba wrote:
redFF you are most likely town because now that I think about it there is no way you could know that the coroner is dead and you would risk being insta counter claimed by the real coroner and thus get lynched if you were mafia. That being said please don't make the same mistake again spamming the thread and getting a townie killed. Read wbg defense. Unless he is the master of deceit, he is very unlikely to be mafia. Please put your vote somewhere more productive.

On September 04 2011 05:43 OriginalName wrote:


##Vote RedFF

Nice reads bro.

For the record I was right about how shitty those wagons are, and in case you guys havent noticed Kenpachi started lurking again after he got off the hook, however I doubt any of you guys are willing to try to lynch him.

Reds totally not clear at all just pushes pushes pushes and does weird shit. Seems real shifty to me.

Why should I think your townie anyways.

On September 04 2011 06:11 Kenpachi wrote:
dunno man, i want to get rid of all 3 of the major lynches right now. i'll decide tmrw.

at the end of the day i can see Mafia using their KP on RedFF and Palmar. I will propose to you all to NOT revive Red immediately. Lets revive him later on or force Mafia to revive someone who is valuable to town. Another reason is Mafia's 3rd KP comes from the minion which acts as a free ressurection on blues. Think about it, the longer Red is dead, the more people die and when we really need him, we revive him and check everyone who died (assuming thats how his role works)

On September 04 2011 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:


You first said you have two checks per day.

Then you said you have only two checks.

Which one is it?

On September 04 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:


The circular reasoning this creates should suggest to you that we should keep this guy alive for now.

Bum and ON are definitely more scummy. Bum avoided lynch, has not really contributed anything, and sandroba claimed RB (when he was one of the players who voted bum).

ON threw his vote on Kenpachi and then purposely left it there while he was STILL AROUND at the end of the day. Now again he's still pursuing Kenpachi when it's clear he's definitely not going to get lynched today.

There's too much weird shit going on with red thanks to his shitty play that I'd rather leave him alive at least till tomorrow. With ON and Bum hopefully out of action tomorrow we can lynch red and someone else.

On September 04 2011 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
If red only has two checks, and he used both of them, I can see why he might want to claim, because he knows that, even alive, he isn't much use.

On September 04 2011 12:39 redFF wrote:
ace/bum/originalname scumteam. jvcarlson is just new and doesnt know whats up. notice how ace's ONLY contribution is starting a bandwagon on me in an attempt to shift votes off of bum and ON. gg scum, gg.

On September 04 2011 13:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:


"I don't wanna say anything about his role, but based upon what I've said, you should already know."

You know what sucks about that red? The scum (your) team knows more than we do. So anything that we should already know, the scum (your) team knows too. So what have you done? Imagine this from a town point of view. You're making it quite obvious that you want us to think sinani was coroner. You want him revived. ...k? So he gets revived today, and then sniped tonight. So what has he done for us? Jack shit.

On September 05 2011 00:09 redFF wrote:
yeah sand came to the conclusion i did 3 pages ago =D

also wherebugsgo i'm fairly certain this is only your second game so you can't exactly go round calling jimmycarson newbie, but jimmycarson has to take his vote off me or fear the derp.

On September 05 2011 07:44 Ace wrote:
You're reading too much into that. Stop it.