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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 03 2011 19:43 GMT
#434
Yo palmar, can you get back into old palmar mode and pummel some sense into this town pls?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 03 2011 20:13 GMT
#438
People read this carefully please.

Why would mafia opt to keep bum from being lynched instead of sinani/varp if bum was town? No offense to those 2 but bum is regarded as being a very good player and mafia would totally seize the opportunity of getting rid of him early.

But let's assume they did that to use bum as lynch bait for today. Do you see the bum wagon gaining strengh quickly like it should if mafia's plan was really to lynch bum? No. Instead there is a bunch of players refusing to comment on the issue and others pushing/bandwagoning your lynch. So this isn't what mafia intended to do when they decided to role block me. What's left is that bum really is mafia, which makes the most sense.

Assume redFF is town, that's a safe assumption because mafia wouldn't claim that shit out of the blue most of the time. It's risky, stupid and there is no reward. Btw, bringing back sinani206 might be a good idea for the high priest, base on reading between the lines of redFF strange claim.

Kenpachi is only possibly mafia if I'm wrong on both accounts, which I don't think is likely.
I don't think chaos13 is a good lynch for today, I'm not convince on him being scum just yet, but I apreciate wbg's analysis and he may indeed be onto something. Both bum and ON should be lynched today. Make it happen please.

sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#525
Wow Ace, it was time you showed your face. I won't go into a long winded analysis because I still want to lynch bum and ON today, but Ace is scum. There is simply no way redFF is mafia, despite whatever he claimed, it's not something mafia would do in this situation. You are not looking at behaviour here, you are trying to captalize on a mistake some townie made to get him lynched, which is how you play as scum. You also don't know if redFF is lying about not having more checks, so you are blatantly pushing mafia objetives here. redFF is the most terrible lynch for today and you know it. Also we MUST lynch 2 people today, so you DO have to wheigh in on more subjects. While I agree that giving your whole town list/scum list is generaly not a good idea you HAVE to wheigh in on the subjects being discussed for a lynch. That's how you play the game and make an impact. Not doing it means you are trying to hide, which is what you are doing. You are scum sir.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 11:56 GMT
#526
On September 03 2011 09:42 Ace wrote:
Coroner, I know you have a pretty tricky job to do but I'm going to help you out. Since you can't communicate with me I'll just give you a name:

Check the corpse of Sinani. If you dont say anything once the corpse is checked, I will take your silence as confirmation of Sinani's innocence. That way the priest can revive him knowing he is town aligned.

Otherwise take the chance and speak out if you find Sinani to be Scum.


Let me point to this blatant contradiction in Ace's logic. He thinks it's a good move for the coroner to claim if he found a dead scum. But when the coroner has the oportunity to counter claim and get us living scum, then NO, that is a bad move because we are not at lylo and would never happen. You are full of shit and just want redFF lynched.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 12:30 GMT
#528
What annoys me greatly is that one of you redff voters is not scum and is terrible. Please reconsider.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 12:31 GMT
#529
On September 04 2011 21:28 Ace wrote:
*chuckles*

That was cute. But your still terrible.


Great defense. Care to back pedal now or are you are just going to make it obvious you are scum?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 12:46 GMT
#531
What I said is enough. Are you forgetting we have 2 lynches to deal with? Or you simply do not care who is lynched after redFF? What about the contradiction I pointed out which completely nullifies your reason for voting redFF, because a coroner would TOTALLY counter claim him giving us free scum? There is simply no reason for scum in redFF's position to claim that shit. He wasn't even up for discussion as a lynch, he had nothing to gain. Also why claim that convoluted shit as scum when he could safely claim coroner for the exact same effect and draw less suspicion? Makes NO SENSE at all as scum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 12:52 GMT
#532
And yes redFF claim is pure dumb and he didn't use his power wisely, I agree. Does that make him scum? How exactly? Why do you want him dead? You don't even consider the idea that he might be telling the truth. That's scum ace at work right here.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 13:00 GMT
#534
derp why would he claim he found scum in the situation where he found sinani as scum when no one will know if he was telling the truth - mafia can counter claim him or real coroner could counter claim him we have no idea derp. It gives info and you take it and make something out of it, not trust it 100%. The key here is unecessary risk that mafia is unwilling to take.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 13:05 GMT
#535
If redFF was scum and willing to take that risk wouldn't he fucking claim he was coroner found sinani as scum and try to lynch me that defended sinani and someone trow suspicion on people not voting for him. Claiming like he did serves no purpose for mafia, let's not get absurd here.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 13:20 GMT
#539
Another point is that if we had a cc we could simply lynch both and get 1 mafia lynched 100% of the time, which is a good deal.

Now let's look at this setup. The whole point is ressurection and no flips. Both necro and priest can only perform their actions and be relevant by day3. It makes a lot of fucking sense to make sure the game goes for that long, thus mafia number is almost certainly 3 because we could be at lylo right now if it was anything more. Another point is that it's possible and likely to have the necro/coroner/priest dead by that point. What's the solution if we want to preserve the theme of the setup? You make the necro a pass over role like it's pointed in the OP. You make back-up roles for coroner and priest so they have a chance to act. That's what makes sense. No insult to redFF, but I don't think he has done this kind of analysis before hand and thus concluded this is a plausible claim as mafia and then risked the coroner being alive before claiming. NO. He did not. He is indeed the back-up coroner and if you lynch him you are dumb or scum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 13:23 GMT
#540
JC is not new btw, he is way more experienced than I am.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 13:24 GMT
#541
Oh and my previous point proves that both varpulis and sinani are inocents, yet more reason to believe redFF's claim.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 13:51 GMT
#546
On September 04 2011 22:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 15:48 iGrok wrote:
On September 04 2011 13:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Good god why are we wasting more time speculating about this shit?

If we lynch mafia during the day, for example from 3 mafia to 2 mafia, does it reduce their KP that same day? e.g. would we see 1 mafia kill instead of 2?

Yes.
Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects.


This point is the strongest in establishing that the current mafia count is 3/4.

In fact, I think it suggests there are only 3 mafia. Let's not assume that, but 1 minion/1RB/1 necro is a good balance for mafia.

Knowing this, if we kill bum/ON today and Ace tomorrow, we can actually keep mafia KP at only one for a pretty decent amount of time.


Read my previous post on the setup. We can safely assume 3 mafia.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 14:50 GMT
#548
On September 04 2011 22:20 sandroba wrote:
Another point is that if we had a cc we could simply lynch both and get 1 mafia lynched 100% of the time, which is a good deal.

Now let's look at this setup. The whole point is ressurection and no flips. Both necro and priest can only perform their actions and be relevant by day3. It makes a lot of fucking sense to make sure the game goes for that long, thus mafia number is almost certainly 3 because we could be at lylo right now if it was anything more. Another point is that it's possible and likely to have the necro/coroner/priest dead by that point. What's the solution if we want to preserve the theme of the setup? You make the necro a pass over role like it's pointed in the OP. You make back-up roles for coroner and priest so they have a chance to act. That's what makes sense. No insult to redFF, but I don't think he has done this kind of analysis before hand and thus concluded this is a plausible claim as mafia and then risked the coroner being alive before claiming. NO. He did not. He is indeed the back-up coroner and if you lynch him you are dumb or scum.


This.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 15:33 GMT
#553
Since you guys are being dumb and mafia can easily stack on redFF and get him lynched anyway, just consider this for a moment. Maybe redFF is not telling the whole truth in his claim to maybe live another day. Maybe he checked only varp and gets informed when the real coroner gets killed, so he knows both. And maybe he still can check one person per day like the original coroner. Or maybe it works exactly how redFF says. Either way he is not mafia.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 16:46 GMT
#558
man if we get 4 votes on bum and 3 on ON (assuming mafia won't let redFF live) then we could get both lynched with some luck on the pious dude.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 16:52 GMT
#560
@bum if somehow you are town switch your vote to ON please. redFF is not scum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 04 2011 19:10 GMT
#582
Afaik redFF still reached 3 votes first, so as this stands it still means redff is going to get lynched and ON, but not bum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 05 2011 00:27 GMT
#625
Got roleblocked again.

Kp got reduced, so I guess ON was mafia after all. Sinani can you confrim you are coroner and please check ON?

Also there are 2 possible explanations for why there are three revives. 1) either jackal or drazerk was blue and got shot by minion. 2) either jackal or drazerk was mafia with a role (necro, since that would be optimal making 2 necros today) and minion shot him to get him ressed today and throw us off. Scenario number 2 is more unlikely, but still possible and not a bad strat for scum. 1 of them is zombie 100%. I want both jackal and drazerk to claim, since if they are blue mafia already knows this.

iGrok, can you confirm that's how minion shot would suposedly work if they shot another mafia with a role?
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