Resurrection Mafia - Page 3

On September 03 2011 09:02 chaos13 wrote:


So in other words you think mafia are all on the big(gest) wagons right now?

On September 03 2011 09:10 chaos13 wrote:


wat.

Mafia can block votes??

brb, re-reading OP

On September 03 2011 09:23 OriginalName wrote:


We dont know that for sure. Settle down there is probably more going on right now than is clear to us.

On September 03 2011 10:00 sandroba wrote:


WTF? 5-6? This is no flip, man. Mafia has 3 members most likely and 2kp, probably with a 1 shot minion.

On September 03 2011 23:58 chaos13 wrote:


Oh look, somebody is defending WBG by means of deflecting attention away from his lynch. Not only that, they're doing it by asking someone to ignore an analysis on a player.

You know scum, just because it's a no flip game doesn't mean you don't have to put effort in.

sinani206
Wherebugsgo
sandroba

On September 04 2011 00:22 Ace wrote:
impossible. If sinani is scum then their KP wouldn't be reduced the same night because that would be bad modding or a totally different mechanic we aren't aware of. Scum don't lose KP on a night one of their members die, it always goes into effect for the next night.

On September 04 2011 00:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I would want confirmation on this from iGrok. Cuuuuuuz that's stupid. If we killed a scum, that sucks for them, but we killed a scum. The rules say mafia kp is n/2. If we lynch a scum, that reduces scum numbers.

On September 04 2011 00:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:


[g]Balls, forgot green text. WTB iGrok.[/g]

On September 04 2011 03:48 bumatlarge wrote:


Just so we can be clear here redff, you checked both? I believe you, but I know the OP specifically says a corpse. Can you clarify the differences between coroner as it states in the OP and coroner's apprentice?

On September 04 2011 05:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Oops I messed that up. Let me redo that:

Voting bumatlarge
sandroba
Palmar

Voting OriginalName
redFF
wherebugsgo
bumatlarge

Voting redFF
Ace

Voting wherebugsgo
chaos13
kenpachi

I forgot bum voted ON. Oh BTW point of my voting situation was to show that votes are really split right now and that helps mafia. We need people to vote bum/ON. 8 people have voted already and the two who haven't are jcarl, ON. jcarl needs to vote for bum and ON will probably throw his vote again.

If Ace doesn't switch to ON/bum then I think he's certainly mafia.

On September 04 2011 07:18 bumatlarge wrote:


They wouldn't block sandroba if he was mafia, they would just not do anything. It's more likely that he would claim that if they didn't have a blocker at all.



Very nice, though perhaps it might have been better to wait a little later in the day for someone to make an odd claim. I'm not really fearing lynched now, because I'm fairly certain chaos or ON are scum, so it's worth it. Shame redff will probably die tomorrow, alignment seems to be key this game, and I think we can assume redff is the last blue that can check it.

Did you get alignment or roles at all as well?

On September 04 2011 09:31 Ace wrote:
If you are sure no Townies shot last night, then the 3 dead players were all killed by Scum. Hence, you'd check them to confirm them being Town like you said. Lets keep the logic train going here.

The only reason you'd check Sinani or Varp is to see if they were Scum lynched by the Town. Right? That means you'd speak out if you found them to be Scum.

But you found Sinani to be Town. Why would you speak out on this when I already showed a way to not reveal yourself. You said it yourself - the real Coroner died. You just saw 3 people get capped. Why reveal yourself?

It doesn't add up on both accounts. I dont believe you are this stupid. You would have to know you are going to be killed if this holds, ending the game for the Town. You'd die, and even if Sinani is Coroner he'd die immediately. Between the 2 of you, you would only get off 3 checks by Day 3. Game over.

I can't take your claim seriously. The real Coroner would not Counter Claim in this situation because it's not LYLO so it would be dumb. A Real Cop doesn't CC Scum claiming Cop unless the Town is seriously buying it and will lynch a Townie. No one is getting lynched over your claim so the Coroner has no reason to Counter Claim. Or he's dead.

On September 04 2011 07:05 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, i can check twice a day.

On September 04 2011 09:24 redFF wrote:
lol...
im a back up coroner, i have 2 checks, and i can use them both at any time. thats it.


why did i check the lynches????
because i'm fairly sure no townies shot last night, so all i would be checking is town players, whereas the lynched players have a sense of uncertainty to them, while im fairly sure all night deaths were town.

why did i reveal my checks???
because i only have 2 and used them both.

Do you really need to know their roles ace? all that seems like is role fishing,

revive sinani.

i feel like i've answered your questions, don't you think the regular coroner would have counterclaimed me???

i go back to vt if the coroner returns to life.

On September 04 2011 09:34 redFF wrote:

2 checks i can use both during a day. i was trying to reveal as little as possible but then i decided full disclosure was best option.

On September 04 2011 10:29 redFF wrote:
i have no more checks after i used my 2.

On September 04 2011 12:12 bumatlarge wrote:
I think I've got this game figured out, I've read into the thread alot and it's a bit of a puzzle with some missing pieces, but the main elements are there.

Sinani, redff and Sandroba are scum
-redff or sandroba has a role that let's them know a coroner died or that there are none left alive
-in exchange, there is no roleblocker in the game.
-this alone let's mafia safely fakeclaim, and accuse someone heavily based on one of the members being blocked.

I do not believe that they intended to do this right after seeing the day 1 results, but seeing sinani lynched instead of me, I think they realized that a pious man had voted on sinani and screwed them over. Sandroba claimed a roleblock to keep me as the lynch for this day, and redff claimed coroner's apprentice to try to persuade the HP to bring back sinani, rather then just zombifying him. HP, DO NOT BRING BACK SINANI. Bring back any other person from that day, preferably a mafia kill. I can back up all this based on these three players behavior.

3 kills went out last night, and as far as I can tell, we don't have non-day vigis. That kills were all low activity posters, and I am fairly certain they were all town.

Jackal
He put his vote on chaos13 and afk'd apparently, I'm not sure about chaos, but he has reasoning similar to my own, so I don't think this is a heavy link but we'll keep chaos' name in case it pops up.

Sknowman
Again, very lurkerish, but he put his vote on jcarl, for a single post, then kept it there, even at the end. Just like chaos, I'll keep his name in mind.

Drazerk
Voted sinani.

Why kill these people? I'll tell you, they have little influence upon being resurrected. The deapool to pick from here is extremely limited if you go on just there play in this game. Mafia wants to limit the good choices and leave the priest picking at scraps while the living players are more active and therefore uncheckable. But oh look, to ease the HP's troubled mind, redff comes soaring in and claims he checked TWO people (I have absolutely zero fucking idea why), and you should bring back sinani of the two. I believed him, because the claim was outrageous, a coroner could counterclaim him, and I thought he was inferring that sinani was a blue role of some sort.

But Bum, you are probably scum because sandroba said he was RB'd which means you're scum! Which transistions nicely into our next segment...

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Sandroba
I didn't really have too many qualms about this dude, until just before the first day ended, he seemed to be hell bent on finding scum and I was content to take his criticisms on how I start my days with a cup of folgers, and how he would rather prance around when I had few reads aside from varpulis and kenpachi. Until this post.



Wow. Late into the day he wants to have a switch from a scummy person onto me with an absurd reason.

Needless to say that struck a wrong chord. I told him what the fuck and voted varpulis, my own effort in consolidating votes, because like hell was I going to get lynched instead of varpulis.



Sandroba has never voted redff, despite him GUNNING for me when redff have had very similar actions. Sandroba is defending everything redff does, yet even when he sees errors, he ignores them. Sandroba has never considered redff to be scum this entire game.




That and calling the sinani lynch bad, it makes it pretty clear that sandroba knows something in this game that the rest of us don't. He has persisted in calling any speculation I gave about the set-up anti-town, because he doesn't want us to talk about it. Please don't sheep behind this guy.



Oh what? The now the roleblocker comes into play here! It's funny that Jcarl brings up the "more information" tidbit, and you immediately hint that you do indeed have more information. Right here you are GUARANTEEING that scum has a roleblocker, without assessing that perhaps whoever does get saved from a vote will have alot of suspicion thrown upon them? Funny how that doesn't get mentioned when you are trying to push the lynch, but after it's 100% evidence.




Case in point. Sinani was the minion most likely. Perhaps they don't even have a necromancer either? Also, sandroba confirms we have a pious who voted sinani.

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I still find it hard to believe that everything redff has done is intentional. Claiming the apprentice is one thing but then saying he gets two checks seems EXTREMELY odd. I don't understand why he didn't just say sandroba was town, or even that varpulis was scum. His posts don't give me much so until someone else finds anything, I'll keep him secondary to sandroba in my list. Sinani was very self explanatory, and redff did not keep his vote on him when it mattered. redFF needs to be gotten rid of tonight. I highly doubt town will be able to not lynch me, because of what sandroba said, but I'm confident that we can win when two scum are dead. Once we get rid of sandroba, I can guarentee the game will be over.

##Unvote
##Vote redff

On September 04 2011 12:53 redFF wrote:
i'd prefer not to tell the whole thread sinani's role but i think it's fairly obvious considering everything that i have said up to this point. as to the whole roleblocker minion wifom thing i have no need to think about or try to reason with that because its all wifom/pointless trying to explain night kills/where kp comes from when the important thing in this game is scumhunting.

On September 05 2011 02:49 chaos13 wrote:
redFF - I'm just gonna write as I think and see what conclusion I come to. Sorry if this gets a little roundabout or spammy.

There have already been inconsistencies pointed out in his admittedly strange claim. He has only two checks, then he has two per day, and my personal favorite "Coroner must have died because I checked people." If your claim were true I am more than sure that iGrok would have sent you a PM saying "The coroner has died, you have become the new coroner, etc."
So I don't believe his claim. Does this make him mafia? Not necessarily. If you're town, I certainly hope you have a good reason for lying.
I want to save everyone some time here and tell you not to bother trying to get him to clear up his claim. He will stick to what he's said 100% despite all the contradictions in it. I recall an insane game I played with him on another site where he was mafia, fake claimed emperor with a ton of inconsistencies, lies, and contradictions and stubbornly refused to admit defeat when I called him out on every single one of them. From this I know that he's not afraid to fake claim as mafia. The problem is that I can't see the rest of his play coming from a mafia perspective in a normal game. But this is not a normal game. In other words, mafia have no fear of pushing a horrible lynch, because they don't have to be accountable for it. Looking at it that way, red's pushing for Varp D1 makes perfect sense as mafia.
Conclusion - I'm not gonna waste more time typing out my thoughts here. redFF is mafia and should be killed asap.

On September 05 2011 04:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
fuckin dilemma we have here...

Is there any way we can lynch both ON and bum?

On September 05 2011 04:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Voting situation:

Voting bumatlarge
sandroba
Palmar
wherebugsgo

Voting OriginalName
jcarlsoniv
chaos13
redFF
kenpachi

Voting redFF
OriginalName
Ace
bumatlarge

I have an idea that could be useful. Jcarl, vote for bum. sandroba, vote for ON.

If mafia intends to roleblock a voter to save bum/ON they'll roleblock someone on the bum list. This way if one of me/jon/palmar gets roleblocked we can claim it. Sandroba has already been roleblocked so we can potentially confirm him by putting him on the list with four people on it, AKA on ON.

Does this make sense? This eliminates some of the WIFOM if someone else actually gets roleblocked.

On September 05 2011 04:30 chaos13 wrote:
What does everyone think of the possibility of Kenpachi being scum over ON or bumatlarge?