Resurrection Mafia - Page 2

On September 03 2011 10:32 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, checked varp and sinani both town ressurect sinani plz.

On September 04 2011 03:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
You guys realize I have 3 votes on me, right? Look at who voted for me. If ON and bum come back and they're scum, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be dead today.

We need to lynch chaos and ON, or bum and chaos, or bum and ON. I think the best combination is chaos/ON.

Of course, the thing is that if mafia want me dead and I don't get lynched I'll probably just get shot. If these 3 votes don't get pulled off me then mafia RB can easily shift votes off their guy onto a townie.

I'll be back in 20 and start filtering posts on my comp (on my phone right now) to verify some of my thoughts real quick

On September 04 2011 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:



Few things here I want to point out. There's a bunch of WIFOM here with respect to bum. For me, personally, looking at everything that's happened today/yesterday and at the vote counts, I give bum a 50/50% shot at flipping mafia. I think sandroba is town, so I value his RB claim (and no one has counter claimed RB) so I think it's very possible that mafia RBed sandroba in order to get fewer votes on bum. Then again, we could very likely have been on the path to lynch 3 townies, so mafia could've just arbitrarily picked sandroba because he appeared to be a definite town, possibly with a power, so they blocked him and created this WIFOM because of sandroba's insistence on lynching bum.

bum=?

Next, look at the other two people who voted varpulis. Kenpachi and red. They voted together on me as well. I'm thinking their alignments are possibly linked. I give them a strong chance to both flip mafia, or both flip town. I'll get back to them in a sec.

The remaining two players I suspect are chaos13 and ON.

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Well, all three of those players are green. I can guarantee you all that.

Chaos here attempting to forge a connection between myself and sandroba somehow. Any decent player will know that no such connection exists. He then immediately follows up with this:

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When immediately called out on his shitty reasoning, he just says "good point" without explicitly acknowledging that he's dead wrong/being misleading about sinani/me/sandroba. Sinani is not scum.

Then, doesn't actually question Palmar, doesn't defend himself, doesn't do anything to actually substantiate his arguments. Whenever attention goes to chaos, he brushes it off and tries to go under the radar. This happened day 1 when he got two votes as well; he just completely dismissed the votes and tried getting less attention. I figure he probably knew that trying to defend himself would just expose more of his scumminess.

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Shows a blatant disregard for actually reading the thread/being informed.

He then tries to make a case on me for having apparently shitty reasoning/trying to inform the town of game mechanics. So, if he's town, he's completely stupid, which I find rather unlikely. Instead, I find him probably to be mafia, being purposely misleading. No one misses this many things as a dumb townie.

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Here's where he replies to both votes on him day 1, but doesn't really do anything about it, just tries to brush off the votes.

1. He doesn't address Jackal's meta argument. If Jackal had it incorrect, I'd think chaos would've actually responded somehow to it.
2. Chaos acknowledges that Ace has voted him for no reason, but doesn't actually provoke Ace or demand Ace provide reasoning. Just "hello Ace."

He then IMMEDIATELY slips into something else, bringing attention away from those votes on himself:

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So, he votes Varpulis for apparently having a shitty meta argument. I'm taking "for the strongest mta argument I've seen" to be sarcasm.

Here is Varp's filter:

Filter Varpulis-what meta?

Either I'm retarded, or Varp never once used meta to accuse anyone of anything.

On the other hand, this brings up a great question. Why would chaos vote varp for having a shitty meta argument (when, in fact, he had no meta argument whatsoever) but would not call out Jackal's meta argument against himself? Did he not want attention brought to it?

I think so. I think the running theme of chaos13 is "don't bring attention to myself."

Don't believe me? Read his filter. Filter Chaos13 Since I get the vibe you don't want attention, chaos, I'm giving it to you. Bring it on, biatch.

Finally, ON. I called him out after the voting was closed, right before the daypost, for not changing his vote. He threw away his vote on Kenpachi similar to how chaos had thrown his vote on Palmar prior to voting Varpulis. The only difference is that ON was actually around to change his vote but didn't change. He was aware that his vote didn't matter, and his argument was nonexistent. This is why I voted ON with the intention of getting people's attention away from sinani+varp, who were clearly town. In the 6 hours I was gone though, no one actually paid attention to my argument.

He didn't really respond at all to me pointing out that he wasted his vote, and he was even there right before the closure of votes. The problem is that now there is more information to go on and make a case against chaos than there is against ON, since chaos has appeared more scummy in the time that ON has not posted.

Here's where I come back to redff and kenpachi. While I think there's a strong chance these guys are linked, I also think that there exists an opposing link between ON and kenpachi. I can't be sure of this, but this is my gut feeling. If ON is mafia, kenpachi is town, and vice versa.

HOWEVER, this does not rule out the possibility that there are 4 mafia, or at least 3 mafia and some independent role we need to kill anyway. I am most sure of chaos, ON, redff, kenpachi, bum in that order. Things may change as people post more, but for now I really think the only person who is not going to come off that list is chaos, so I'm going to vote him.

##unvote
##vote chaos13.

Also upon reading bum's posts I lean town on him. He's giving me a different vibe than I got in XLIV. It doesn't rule him out of being mafia, just something I feel at this particular juncture.

On September 04 2011 06:11 Kenpachi wrote:
dunno man, i want to get rid of all 3 of the major lynches right now. i'll decide tmrw.

at the end of the day i can see Mafia using their KP on RedFF and Palmar. I will propose to you all to NOT revive Red immediately. Lets revive him later on or force Mafia to revive someone who is valuable to town. Another reason is Mafia's 3rd KP comes from the minion which acts as a free ressurection on blues. Think about it, the longer Red is dead, the more people die and when we really need him, we revive him and check everyone who died (assuming thats how his role works)

On September 04 2011 07:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been somewhat inactive today. I've been packing to move into school tomorrow =) I have been keeping up with it though.




I'm not confused that he would be able to check either varp or sinani. I am, however, somewhat skeptical that he would be able to check both at the same time. Maybe it works differently in no-flip, but it seems odd. If this is the case, why didn't red check all 5 that died, and then tell us what we lost town-wise. Coroner checks alignment AND role. I doubt that all 5 that died were green. We must have lost something important. And why wouldn't red want to know the roles and alignments of all 5 that died last night? Also, "Coroner's Apprentice" sounds...made up and convenient for him. FoS red




I haven't voted yet because I don't like to vote in the first half of the day on principal. I like to watch how things play out for the whole day, and make my decision in the second half. I do find bum pretty suspicious, although I am worried about WIFOM in sandroba's RB. It is entirely possible that the mafia would roleblock one of their own (sandroba) in order to make it seem like bum is scum.

I will hold my vote for now, but I will vote early on tomorrow so that there is plenty of time for everyone to see the vote and discuss the situations.

On September 04 2011 07:05 redFF wrote:
im secret coroners apprentice, i can check twice a day.

On September 03 2011 06:47 sandroba wrote:
Let's not lynch sinani, he is scummy despite alignment and I don't see anything that jumps scum in his posts so far. Let's lynch Bum and ON gogogo consolidate fast.

On September 03 2011 07:01 sandroba wrote:

What the fuck is what I say to you. Why are you voting varpulis? Are you even trying to find scum in this thread or do you only care about not being lynched?
RedFF your meta argument is shit and too shallow. Explain to me how varpulis is scum in a coherent way and stop spamming he is scum in every single post you make.

On September 03 2011 07:53 sandroba wrote:
The very good analysis you are refering to is basically redFF saying one of the first posts on the thread is non contributory and appearing to be pro-town. He pointed out that he did so as scum in a previous game, in which he got lynched day 1 for it. If you are judging only meta from his very first post, do you really think he would do the same shit again? Or do you think it's more likely that despite the risk of getting lynched he was legimately concerned about spamming/lurking/trolling going on in the recent tl games?

On September 03 2011 22:56 sandroba wrote:
redFF you are most likely town because now that I think about it there is no way you could know that the coroner is dead and you would risk being insta counter claimed by the real coroner and thus get lynched if you were mafia. That being said please don't make the same mistake again spamming the thread and getting a townie killed. Read wbg defense. Unless he is the master of deceit, he is very unlikely to be mafia. Please put your vote somewhere more productive.

On September 03 2011 07:58 sandroba wrote:

Are you really this blind? If a roleblocker blocks one of the voters and the votes are this close they pretty much get to choose who doesn't get lynched.

On September 03 2011 09:53 sandroba wrote:
Ace do you think it's possible there is more than 3 mafia? or that mafia has more than 1 extra kp, assuming the 3rd came from them? From a balance stand point we are likely facing 3 mafia, so that means we 100% missed both lynches since the kp did not get reduced. There is no point checking into the lynches, since they are most likely town either way, so maybe check into the nks?

I have a pretty good explanation why mafia used the minion shot so early. Bum is the minion. Despite roleblocking me they couldn't be 100% he would've survived because of pious shenanigans. So they decided not to risk losing kp and used it day1. There you go.

On September 04 2011 11:43 wherebugsgo wrote:


If this was explicitly stated in the OP, the answer to my question, as I asked it, would have been one. There's no reason for iGrok to say that roles are incomplete if my question was phrased like this:



If the full role description was

Coroner
Can look at a corpse and determine alignment and role. May be used any time, and will instantly return the information (as soon as I get the pm). You have a maximum of five checks and they may be used at any time

Then certainly what redFF has claimed would be believable. If the role is not complete then what CAN we expect? It's dumb to think that we know everything about what a coroner can do when we're just speculating.

I like how you say I'm dealing with shit that holds no weight at the moment when you are arguably doing it as much as I am.

I even pointed out to you why I'd prefer a bum/ON lynch over a redFF lynch. In fact, I'll change my vote from ON to bum right now, since I really don't want us to be stuck on 2 votes on a whole bunch of people.

##unvote
##vote bumatlarge

Just think about it. There's only two situations that could've happened that would have caused bum to escape lynch.

Of varp, sinani, and bum, bum achieved 3 voters first. I don't remember which one of sinani or varp got 3 votes first (it doesn't matter, since bum achieved 3 before either of them) but let's say it was varp.

Situation 1: All votes normal, no one gets roleblocked. Bum and varp die by virtue of achieving 3 first.

Situation 2: All votes on bum and varp normal. Pious on sinani, no roleblock. Sinani dies with plurality, bum dies thanks to getting 3 before varp.

Situation 3: Same as 2, replace varp with sinani and vice versa. Varp dies, bum dies.

Situation 4: Some voter on bum gets roleblocked. Sinani and varp die.

Situation 5: Pious voters on BOTH varp and sinani. Sinani and varp die.

Again, I repeat, the ONLY situation in which bum would've gone untouched by the lynch is if he somehow got uber lucky and pious voters hit both varp and sinani. Otherwise there has to be a roleblock. I excluded the situations in which a pious voter hits bum for obvious reasons. 1-3 are not possible, that didn't happen. Only 4 and 5 matter.

On September 04 2011 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:


Shit you're right, I just went back and noticed chaos's vote.

-_-

On September 04 2011 12:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
Although, I might add that if redFF is indeed mafia it seems rather weird that this bandwagon formed on him so fast.

On September 04 2011 12:37 redFF wrote:
k bumatlarge is mafia


##Unvote
##Vote bumatlarge

this is annoying because really my claim makes sense, all the people that died at night are likely town, the lynches are the alignments that are less obvious and more important to know, since im reserve coroner, of course i will claim after i use my checks because once i do im back to being a vt. revive sinani please even if you do decide to lynch me. everything i've done has made sense.

On September 04 2011 13:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
The only downside to your story is that if sinani was scum, the mafia kp would have been reduced before the night kills went out, so only 2 should have died at night...