TL Mafia XLIV

On August 19 2011 19:29 Varpulis wrote:

could you give me a reason to believe you?

On August 19 2011 22:08 Kurumi wrote:

Random fingering does not help the town.
-_-

On August 20 2011 01:14 Vain wrote:


What, yeah when we know your not mafia. And what about dropbears play in real time mafia. His play was vastly different then now.

On August 20 2011 01:40 RayzorFlash wrote:


Your post seemed like obvious scum to me, the scummiest post so far, and I will most likely be away for the rest of the day so I put in a vote against you... I'll check back later and see if I have to change it, but I doubt if I will :p

On August 20 2011 01:47 Curu wrote:
youngminii

Palmar why is DB scum over Sevyrn? He made a stupid policy post in Werewolves too and he was a Medic.

On August 20 2011 01:59 chaoser wrote:

3) What do you think about Palmer?

On August 20 2011 03:27 DropBear wrote:

??? Cmon man, you're a better player than this. It's the first post of the game, what do you want from me a 100 page dossier on each member of the Mafia team? I was attempting to generate discussion by bringing up how we force lynches to occur.

Your first post didn't contribute anything. Should I be tunneling you for it? Of course not.

You really don't seem to like my post. Do you prefer this?


Or this?


Or this?

On August 20 2011 03:44 DropBear wrote:

I am trying to get things moving, get discussion started. The posts I quoted here are prime example s of why this needs to be done, noone is doing ANYTHING. In no way am I suggesting that they are Mafia, nor was it implied when I quoted them to you.

What do you mean by honesty? I didn't say anything that could potentially have been a lie? I asked questions and made suggestions, they aren't truthful or not. This makes no sense???

I don't understand your problem with me Palmar. If you are so quick to make up your mind off one post, an introduction to the game, then I sure as hell hope GMarshal didn't give you a gun.

On August 20 2011 03:47 BrownBear wrote:


Ok, either you have epic tunnelvision or you're actively trying to stop discussion right now.

On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote:


Posts like this make me sad. Put some effort into the game.

Palmar/DropBear, I'm starting to believe at least one of you isn't, however this could just as easily be two townies chest-pounding day 1, at which point mafia just sits back and watches the fireworks as one or both get lynched, town wastes time, and they don't have to do jack shit.

Point being, Palmar, we know you want us to lynch DropBear. DropBear, we know you want us to not lynch you. Arguing about it just takes up space.

So, DropBear, if you want us to not lynch you, name someone who you think would be a better lynch target, and why. If no better alternative presents itself, I'll vote for you over a no-lynch, and you're the only person really with votes currently on you, so I highly recommend giving us some reasons why your neck should be spared.

And Palmar... you keep making statements like "nard's totally setting me up he's scum" or "dropbear's scum lets investigate by lynching him" without ANY backup. "Your first post was a question to mods ppl know YOU MUST BE COVERING YOUR TRACKS OMG MAFIA" does not constitute evidence. If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth.

But I want to see a better case from you regardless.

Finally, DB's plan: in a perfect world, it'd be great, but I don't think an unofficial mayor will have the power necessary to break ties of more than one vote. Also, how do we know this mayor will be pro-town? How do we know you are pro-town? How do we know if ANYONE'S pro-town at this point?

We don't really, so I think an unofficial "mayor" will just serve to clog the thread further, will draw med-protects away from people who really need them like blues, and will end up not benefitting town in any major way.

On August 20 2011 03:53 BrownBear wrote:
I don't think I have... please quote where you're getting that from.

The only thing I can think of is in my large post, where I said if DB is gonna be active I'm less inclined to lynch him. This means I'm less inclined to lynch DB right now, NOT that I'm "heavily advocating lynching a lurker". Please don't put words into my mouth.

On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote:
If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth.

On August 20 2011 19:26 Pyo wrote:


woah, woah, woah... BrownBear? I thought you wanted DropBear dead?

On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote:


Posts like this make me sad. Put some effort into the game.

Palmar/DropBear, I'm starting to believe at least one of you isn't, however this could just as easily be two townies chest-pounding day 1, at which point mafia just sits back and watches the fireworks as one or both get lynched, town wastes time, and they don't have to do jack shit.

Point being, Palmar, we know you want us to lynch DropBear. DropBear, we know you want us to not lynch you. Arguing about it just takes up space.

So, DropBear, if you want us to not lynch you, name someone who you think would be a better lynch target, and why. If no better alternative presents itself, I'll vote for you over a no-lynch, and you're the only person really with votes currently on you, so I highly recommend giving us some reasons why your neck should be spared.

And Palmar... you keep making statements like "nard's totally setting me up he's scum" or "dropbear's scum lets investigate by lynching him" without ANY backup. "Your first post was a question to mods ppl know YOU MUST BE COVERING YOUR TRACKS OMG MAFIA" does not constitute evidence. If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth.

But I want to see a better case from you regardless.

Finally, DB's plan: in a perfect world, it'd be great, but I don't think an unofficial mayor will have the power necessary to break ties of more than one vote. Also, how do we know this mayor will be pro-town? How do we know you are pro-town? How do we know if ANYONE'S pro-town at this point?

We don't really, so I think an unofficial "mayor" will just serve to clog the thread further, will draw med-protects away from people who really need them like blues, and will end up not benefitting town in any major way.

On August 20 2011 06:52 BrownBear wrote:


I asked for something of substance and this is what I got?

Oh, you.

Ok, something you've pulled out of my reasoning that really just wasn't there. You're saying I want to lynch someone inactive. Not necessarily true. Implied, maybe, but NOT what I said. Again, you really need to stop putting words in people's mouths.

What I said there, and what anyone who took 5 seconds to think rationally got out of that sentence before you started spewing shit all over it, is that regardless of what I think about DropBear's alignment (and for the record, I think he's more green than not. Scummy, possibly, but not confirmed scum), I want to see people post more. We're on only 17 pages halfway through the first day, which is kind of sad. I want more content. DropBear's providing it.

I'm for lynching any of the semi-actives - that is, the people who are just contributing one liners and sheeping along to do the bare minimum to fly under the radar. Inactives = people who haven't noticed the game's started yet, people in different time zones who are sleeping, or people who don't care about the game. No reason wasting a vote on them - modkills will get them soon enough. The real area where mafia are probably lurking are the semi-actives - the guys who have posted a few times to be able to say "hey, I was here", but haven't contributed anything of substance or worth to the discussion.

That doesn't include DropBear right now. At the very least, he's provoking discussion both about his silly fake-mayor plan, and about whether or not he's red. He's defending himself and providing some alternate ideas. (Although, DropBear, "I will do so if it becomes necessary"? Really? That's not doing you any favors, bro). Right now, my list of semi-actives include: wherebugsgo, hiro protagonist, Foolishness, and JeeJee (when you read his posts, they don't contribute nearly as much as they do ask questions that go unanswered). I'm open to adding more to that list tho.

So let's start talking about those guys! JeeJee is the most suspicious to me right now: He's posted the most, but I see not all that much in his posts... it looks to me as though he's trying to post while not adding anything of value to town discussion. Just a gut feeling, but I still feel a lot better about lynching him than I do DropBear.

Anyway, long story short: You read things out of my post that didn't exist, those things are the entire basis of your case against me, your case against me sucks, gg, try harder.

##Vote: JeeJee

On August 20 2011 09:55 BrownBear wrote:
It's cute that you tell everyone I'm wrong without explaining exactly why I'm wrong.

lern2backupyouraccusations

So let's start talking about those guys! JeeJee is the most suspicious to me right now: He's posted the most, but I see not all that much in his posts... it looks to me as though he's trying to post while not adding anything of value to town discussion. Just a gut feeling, but I still feel a lot better about lynching him than I do DropBear.

On August 20 2011 22:05 Erandorr wrote:


No Palmar, I do not want to blame you excusivly , but look at what this thread is looking like right now. You want either DB or BB dead depending on who is disagreeing with you more (and I do not think either of them are completely certainly Scum)
Other then that , right now basicly everyone seems to have their target but I am actually getting a bit scared that we will not get our shit together until the first night is there.

On August 20 2011 22:38 Jackal58 wrote:

Anybody that disagrees with Palmar is scum.

And I'm really hoping your advice to not do PBP was a joke.

On August 20 2011 23:38 Navillus wrote:
Last, to palmar, you're suspicious of Brownbear for trying to deflect a lynch, that would naturally imply that the person he's deflecting the lynch from would also be scum, are you still convinced that DB is scum?

On August 20 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote:
We're gonna derp ourselves into a useless no-lynch today if this keeps up. This thread is a mess. I'm not sure on who thinks what of who any more because things are so muddled up with accusations everywhere and a complete lack of clarity in communication.
Again, who started this? Palmar.

Let's take a brief look at the sevryn bandwagon. Did it build up quickly? Has there been any noticeable defense that appears flimsy or false or nervous? I don't think he's scum.

Jackal, who do you think is mafia and why?

On August 20 2011 23:41 Kurumi wrote:
I dislike Palmar's random fingerpointing and not dedicating his vote to any of the candidates presented, why?. This is not promoting pro-town atmosphere, though he made a case on BrownBear. I think Palmar would be a good DT check or just person to look at tomorrow.
I think we should lynch Navillus. He jumped on quick Palmar bandwagon with shoddy reasoning ("he is shouting kill DropBear").
Let's recap what Navillus have done:
-say I am trolling / will troll / am useless / anti-town in the first hours of the game all over again
-vote for me just because of that
-unvote me without any reason (besides "You started to contribute")
-tried to coordinate blues (Town KP should shoot lurkers, really good deal for Mafia, because hatters will have useless bombs planted and vigis will waste their only one shot they have)
-disappeared during the most active time of the day.

##vote Navillus
I'll see what Sevryn has done. Palmar is not good lynch today, I feel his lynch is a bit Kavdragon-ish from PYPI I've played.

On August 21 2011 01:09 Curu wrote:
Why not take a look at the way some people AGREED with you? You probably didn't believe the case yourself, so those agreeing for awful reasons would seem more suspicious.

On August 21 2011 01:16 Curu wrote:
You admitted yourself you have little reasoning behind the accusations, but now it's more scummy for people to disagree with your little reasoning than for people to agree for even worse reasons?

On August 21 2011 01:23 BrownBear wrote:
Lol Palmar? Keep trying to twist my words bro, it's getting you nowhere. You have no credibility with town right now, and you really only have yourself to blame.

Just give it up. Your crusade against bears has failed.

Switching my vote to Sevryn because that deadline's looming, and he's got the most votes right now.

On August 21 2011 01:38 BrownBear wrote:


Tunnelling is your main weakness, dude. You need to learn to occasionally think outside the box.

On August 21 2011 02:28 Curu wrote:


You seem awfully certain. You redFFing bro?

On August 21 2011 02:35 Curu wrote:


I see Sevyrn being scummy as all hell. His past games as Town he's looked scummy too, but in a different way. He's not afraid to put his vote on someone and keep it there unless someone brings up a better case against someone else. He defends his vote and attacks people who call his vote a sheep or bandwagon (him vs Lucidity in Kurumi's game).

Here he's retracted his vote altogether, not made enemies with anyone calling him out for scuminess and disappeared forever.

How do you not see this?

On August 21 2011 03:15 BrownBear wrote:
Where he states Sevryn is an alright lynch. I still want elaboration on that point.

On August 21 2011 05:44 Jackal58 wrote:

Which choice is that?

I'm unvoting Sevryn. As I previously stated he has not set off any bells with what he had posted but by his disappearance.

How much time is remaining?

On August 21 2011 07:03 Jackal58 wrote:

You're totally down with lynching everybody.

On August 21 2011 07:55 chaos13 wrote:


By now you should know that if you feel like lynching me, I'm probably town :p

But seriously, your only reason for being okay with lynching me is because I think you're scum. That is a textbook OMGUS, and I have no idea why everyone seems to think you're so town. You're the reason this thread has been so completely derailed already.

On August 21 2011 07:46 xtfftc wrote:
Would you pick a non-lynch instead of lynching Sevryn?

On August 22 2011 02:57 Jackal58 wrote:
Quit whining and get back on your horse.

On August 22 2011 03:39 chaos13 wrote:


I point out your scumminess and suddenly I'm scum, and apparently should be vigi hit.

Viscera points out your scumminess and he's town.

HMMMMMMM

On August 22 2011 18:08 Kurumi wrote:

start being useful
same goes to me, brb re-reading the thread.

On August 20 2011 22:20 Palmar wrote:

BrownBear

So, I decided to try a new tactic this game. Most towns spend day one arguing casually about policies and then lynch a scummy lurker. This is sometimes effective, sometimes kind of weird. This game I decided to just tear up the thread with some super-awesome tunneling on the first scummy fucker I found, and read responses by other people. There are two people who stick out to me as scummy from their reactions to my tunneling. Namely Sevryn and BrownBear. I feel more confident BrownBear is the scum of the two.

There are quite a few things in BrownBear's logic that really scare me. First off, let's take a look at the post that initially raised my suspicions of him:




I immediately called him out on the scum logic in his posts. I pointed out that one wouldn't have to make a big stretch to understand the bolded sentence as a free pass to anyone who was being active in the thread. Which conveniently enough also clears BB of any suspicion.

He also mentions the possibility of two townies just shouting at each other.

The reason this jumps so much out to me is that I used exactly the same logic as scum on day 1 in SNMMII as scum. I pointed out that two loudmouths were probably just townies shouting at each other and then I suggested that the real threat are the inactive people.

Deflecting lynches onto inactives is mafia's favorite way of playing day 1.

BrownBear's defense of this, is that I'm twisting his words. But can anyone honestly says he understands the bolded sentence in any other way than BrownBear wants to kill off inactive people over people who are active, because the active people will reveal themselves as scum at some point.

Next post, after demanding contribution from me:



The first sentence is interesting. He makes a point that he did not say what I called him out for, yet he implied it? What's the difference? The mindset he's working in is the same.

I ask that everyone reads the post above carefully, and preferably often. Look at what he's saying. He's basically throwing a one-line accusation towards JeeJee in an attempt to divert the discussion off himself and DropBear.

The bolded sentence is another one of interest. I don't actually understand how he's going to scumhunt if he actively states that "mafia is amongst the semi-actives". Well sherlock, if you tell us that you're going for semi-active people, won't the mafia just stop being semi-active? And note that he himself is definitely not amongst the semi-actives, so he cannot be mafia, by his theory.

This case against JeeJee is basically just a throw-away case, BB knows well enough that JeeJee is not going to get lynched based on this case, and he's happy to look like he's not supporting a town lynch while throwing an off-vote on some random "semi-active".




Interesting that he calls out for other people to back up their accusations, yet your entire case against JeeJee is:



Re-read his posts.

Look at them from the point of view he is scum, understand what motivations he might have for posting like this if he's town.

I think we have a great lynch candidate here town.

BrownBear is scum

##Vote BrownBear

On August 22 2011 18:23 Mig wrote:
You know palmar you could actually put the effort in to look at chaoser's past games, I even linked 39 earlier. Instead of just relying on other people to form your opinion for you.

On August 20 2011 10:14 chaos13 wrote:
The bolded is probably the scummiest thing about DB at the moment. You say that as if Palmar is confirmed town "I hope you didn't land vigi..."
Any explanation for this?

On August 22 2011 03:39 chaos13 wrote:


I point out your scumminess and suddenly I'm scum, and apparently should be vigi hit.

Viscera points out your scumminess and he's town.

HMMMMMMM

On August 22 2011 03:36 chaos13 wrote:


Finally somebody smart gets in here. I can't believe people let Palmar away so easily.

On August 22 2011 23:29 Erandorr wrote:

Hey Palmar could you pretend for one second that I exist and answer my question ? :D

On August 22 2011 23:52 Erandorr wrote:


Done with that , what now? Maybe you could tell me whom to vote for , you seem to be very good at that

On August 23 2011 00:59 Curu wrote:


....why are you blue fishing the Medic? Foolishness is in no danger of being lynched at the moment, there are a million scummier people in this Town.

On August 23 2011 01:04 Curu wrote:


I see no reason to disbelieve Foolisness's claim, especially with the RBer add-on. If no one gets RBed the rest of the game, he comes under suspicion and Foolishness makes sense as a N1 hit.

I see no reason for the Medic to out himself to "confirm" a guy who shouldn't need to be confirmed at this point anyways.

On August 23 2011 01:09 Curu wrote:
I can agree with that. Medic claiming now or at the end of this night is absurdly stupid when Foolishness it not in danger of being lynched.

On August 23 2011 01:10 Jackal58 wrote:

You want Mig dead. What's hard about that?

On August 23 2011 19:13 Mig wrote:


Meh it didn't seem so obvious to me. All of his actions from early on and the middle of the day were scummy and they were different than his play in the last 2 games I had played with him where he was generally much more passive early on as town. His defense late seemed more townie but even that I thought could still have been plausible scum play trying to last ditch save himself.

What do you think about my case against Dropbear?

Also, each role has custom fluff, to deter any silly ideas like name claiming, the mafia may at any point request a safe-claim from me and I will provide it, safe claims can be for any role, from Liquidian to Inquisitor

On August 23 2011 22:15 Curu wrote:


How do you know this?

Are Millers/Nosy Neighbors told they are such?

On August 24 2011 00:04 Mig wrote:


Huh is that guy even in this game?

On August 24 2011 00:20 DropBear wrote:
I'm the medic who protected Foolishness. That's how I know he is confirmed town. I voted Mig entirely because Foolishness did. I am having real troubles working out who is who other than that.

On August 24 2011 00:31 DropBear wrote:

Yeah well you know from RTM that my judgement isn't always best T_T

Sorry for being a retard but we need to get back to business.

RayzorFlash and xtfftc?

On August 24 2011 03:39 Varpulis wrote:
wow DB. way to fucking kill the town atmosphere. the last ~5 pages contained no scumhunting, no discussion of lynches, nothing. Just arguments about sanity of dts, supersoft's alignment, and sanity of DropBear.

And as a MEDIC?

I suggest we let the mafia deal with them. If they leave him alive to make him seem suspicious, we have a medic for town to control. Get a dt to check him, and bob's your uncle.

On August 24 2011 07:01 Erandorr wrote:
Yo palmar you still down with lynching bb?

On August 24 2011 07:24 Kurumi wrote:
Well guys, then hiro protagonist will try to outsmart the bullet during the night. Oh wait, it's a HAMMER. There's a link between supersoft+Palmar and hiro protagonist, in my opinion it's a very good lynch given that AND he is scummy as heck and I do believe he is scum.

On August 24 2011 07:44 Curu wrote:
I'm kind of glad I never had to play Town with you past day 1 before this. You are ridiculously stubborn and annoying to deal with.

On August 24 2011 08:05 Curu wrote:
Look at your arguments, you're basically saying hiro is a worse lynch than Mig because of meta arguments and how they play in other games. That's basically it and you're trying to force your opinion down everyone's throats instead of laying out why you think these things.

hiro looks worse than Mig to me, I'd much rather him be the lynch today. I'm trying to explain to you why, you respond with "Curu doesn't want to lynch Mig, so let's lynch Mig."

On August 21 2011 07:55 chaos13 wrote:


By now you should know that if you feel like lynching me, I'm probably town :p

But seriously, your only reason for being okay with lynching me is because I think you're scum. That is a textbook OMGUS, and I have no idea why everyone seems to think you're so town. You're the reason this thread has been so completely derailed already.

On August 23 2011 21:15 chaos13 wrote:


This post is the reason I'm inclined not to believe you. I can't see a genuine DT with a red check feeling like they will have trouble getting their red check lynched. This is a guilty mindset.

The order of events I would like to see happen right now
1. Lynch DB
2. If blue flip, vig supersoft
3. Suddenly, information - lynch mig.

Going back to read all of DropBear's posts before I move my vote to him.



Am I still the only one who thinks Foolish is scum? Check this post out


I've never seen a townie be so adamant about defending their town read before. Regardless, I'll drop him for today and focus on what's relevant.

On August 24 2011 08:58 Vain wrote:
Hmm, i'm just gonna stick with hero. Still don't believe he wasn't pushing an agenda.

Also. Palmar isn't chaos playing the same as in Real time mafia. It could be just me but wasn't revolving around EVERYTHING like his last play then or am i missing something:\

On August 24 2011 09:01 Foolishness wrote:
Why would we lynch chaos when we have good analysis against 3 players right now? Anyone who is proposing we lynch chaos is only further distracting the town and trying to divert attention away from the matter at hand. Make your case tonight/tomorrow, it's too late now. Don't hurt the town.

On August 24 2011 09:03 Kurumi wrote:

Didn't You refuse to lynch hiro based on meta ? Honestly , what the heck is this . Hiro will die anyway , so just accept it .

On August 24 2011 09:09 Foolishness wrote:

You are providing a huge distraction to the town. You're almost helping the mafia by splitting up the votes like this. I don't care if you don't like the prospects, you spent all day doing nothing about the people who were the top candidates, don't pansy out now. At the time, I didn't like either of the 1st day candidates but I sucked it up and voted rather than push for a last minute switch against my favorite candidate (Mig).

I think most everyone agrees that at least one person of the 3 (Mig, hiro, xtfftc) is mafia. To ignore that is asking to get lynched/shot. We have 3 people who we have good analysis for, who have spent time defending themselves. To toss all of that out the window at the last second could not be more anti-town.

Not to mention, when either of these flip we have good leads. If Mig is mafia I have an incredible lead on his team (Dropbear confirmed the link between Mig and other players in the game) so I'm not bluffing. People have pointed out the connections between hiro/xtfftc and other players. Where does chaos13 fit in? No where. Take your garbage somewhere else.

On August 24 2011 09:14 Lucidity wrote:

What
in
the
world.

Oh
my.

2 hours before deadline and most of EU asleep? NICE PLAN?

Also when I wrote my post we were still on 65. Way to spam.

On August 24 2011 09:16 Foolishness wrote:
So Palmar, when you and a few others switch back to Mig last minute and the rest of the chaos voters switch to xtfftc and we get a no lynch can we lynch you tomorrow? If this goes wrong then someone needs to take the blame for it, and it's going to be you.

On August 24 2011 09:22 xtfftc wrote:
Palmar, are you happy to push Chaos13's lynch with the condition that in case he is town, you die next?

On August 24 2011 09:23 Jackal58 wrote:

I'll switch back in an hour if there is no love. Actually make that 40 minutes.

On August 24 2011 09:47 Kurumi wrote:

Of course You prefer MIG because Town might not get enough votes for hiro and we get a no lynch .

On August 24 2011 15:35 BrownBear wrote:


Best introductory post ever.

Also... what the fuck, town. I guess at least we lynched somebody... nah, fuck that, WHAT THE FUCK TOWN.

I'm taking a second look at Palmar tomorrow. His chaos13 plan was one of the most retarded things in the history of TL Mafia.

On August 24 2011 19:01 Lucidity wrote:
Can't believe he was green though -.-

On August 24 2011 19:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
Cause you say things in a manner no one would listen to!

If you actually said things in a reasonable manner, we'd probably value your opinion. Yesterday I disregarded what you were saying because your manner seemed scummy to me.

On August 24 2011 19:23 Lucidity wrote:

You believed hiro's Vet claim. I don't think your judgment this game is that great. Trying to introduce chaos13 as the new lynch candidate 2 hours before deadline was also a blunder. If anyone is not thinking, it is you. Based on the previous game I played with you I expected more from you... That's worrying me.

On August 24 2011 19:31 wherebugsgo wrote:


Okay. I think this post convinced me lol.

Come morning I'm voting you.

On August 24 2011 19:38 wherebugsgo wrote:


Well I'd be down to vote you too, cause your actions over the past day have definitely eroded my town opinion of you. I think you're scumbuddies with supersoft.

Both you and supersoft have attempted to gain towncred by landing on the right side of the voting both days. SS was more obvious about it but you've been spearheading these distraction efforts too. You BOTH are claiming we're all too dumb etc etc to see that hiro/sev were town when in reality hiro played like absolute trash and Sevryn's mistakes made him seem like a pretty good target day 1 too. Yeah, we were ultimately wrong in our assessments, but I stand by the reasoning. You can filter my posts and go back and see my analysis of hiro, for example.

Honestly though, you and supersoft jumped several levels all at once in scumminess, ESPECIALLY in that last 2 hours vote switch you guys attempted.

On August 24 2011 19:51 wherebugsgo wrote:


You're not scum because you're right.

You're scum because you were right when no one else was.

There's a big difference. Care to explain why, if you knew all along hiro was town, you didn't reason me and others out of voting him? Care to explain why you would pick a lurking lynch target in the last 2 hours of the day to focus your attention on, when we already had 3 candidates to lynch, ALL with decent analysis on them? Care to explain why you would seemingly just throw out 20+ hours of information and work just to muck up the last 2 hours with a vote on chaos13 (lol) instead of Mig or hiro? We could've used that time to discuss, instead we lost it all scrambling to try and get a vote on an actual lynch candidate most of us had spent hours analyzing.

Care to explain why, if you knew all along hiro was town, you didn't reason me and others out of voting him?

Care to explain why you would pick a lurking lynch target in the last 2 hours of the day to focus your attention on, when we already had 3 candidates to lynch, ALL with decent analysis on them?

Care to explain why you would seemingly just throw out 20+ hours of information and work just to muck up the last 2 hours with a vote on chaos13 (lol) instead of Mig or hiro? We could've used that time to discuss, instead we lost it all scrambling to try and get a vote on an actual lynch candidate most of us had spent hours analyzing.

On August 24 2011 19:53 wherebugsgo wrote:


LOL

You believed the vet claim, of all things. Hiro's logic was so convoluted I have no idea how anyone could've believed he actually was a vet. He didn't even provide flavotext for it.

On August 24 2011 20:56 chaos13 wrote:


Vigilantes, whatever you do, do not listen to this. Unless you're an amazing scumhunter (there's a few of you out there, so if you're one of them feel free) you are more likely to hit town. Then you have not only eliminated a townie, you have eliminated an actively contributing townie, which is BAD.

If you feel compelled to shoot, hit lurkers. Even better, hit a scummy lurker.

DT's check Palmar. Hell, vig him. He's still stirring this game up into an anti-town environment, so even if he's town it would be of more use than hitting a lurker.

On August 24 2011 19:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
You're not scum because you're right.

You're scum because you were right when no one else was.

On August 24 2011 22:09 Pyo wrote:


but you don't find his change of heart to be scummy? Suddenly starting to put extra effort into posting after having "genuinely" stated that he's burned out – is that part of his meta too?

On August 25 2011 00:45 Kurumi wrote:

Do You think I am dumb? Just because You weren't on wagon which led on townie lynch does not make You a townie, same goes with lynches going on mafia. Sure, You CAN be Town, but there are many shenanigans which could happen.

On August 24 2011 07:47 Palmar wrote:


I form opinions, and I then try to objectively read the thread after that, but it's hard. I'm not afraid of being wrong, and I've quite often been right. Maybe this is the game where I'm wrong on all accounts, but I expect others to be able to pick that up.

Also, why do you basically declare me town? Do you know my alignment?

On September 09 2011 01:36 Curu wrote:
Palmar's absolutely right about the logic vs arguing thing. I didn't get a lick of suspicion for my giant long "analysis" posts but when I went toe-to-toe arguing with Palmar about hiro, I actually scumslipped and called Palmar Town.

On September 09 2011 02:11 Curu wrote:
Eh, I'm tunnely/wrong/stupid a lot of the time as Town too. I told Mig over and over in XLIII that I had the perfect meta for scum and wouldn't be lurking as scum when he suspected me in that game cause I was borderline lurking.