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On August 20 2011 23:46 Kurumi wrote: Sevryn's lack of defense makes me wonder, same goes with Palmar. Afaik only xtfftc defended himself. Navillus, this fluff list is nothing.
where did he defend himself? maybe my filterfunction is broken or something. I can't see a defensepost out of him. Are you sure that you don't refer to a post of him in your ScumQT ?
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3 hours left, am I right?
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On August 21 2011 02:25 Varpulis wrote:I'm switching to Sevryn. He's more likely scum than Palmar at the moment, and I notice that the only people defending him are being SUPER careful not so seem like they are. Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 16:35 Foolishness wrote: I would also like to beg to differ that I'm "defending" him. I'm not convinced yet that he's mafia, and I stated why I think that. Thus I'd rather take the wait and see approach. As I somewhat said, he's already got a few strikes; if he doesn't shape up then we kill him. Just because I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt right now does not mean I am defending him. I don't defend other people, I state why or how their actions could be misconstrued. Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 08:41 supersoft wrote:On August 20 2011 08:01 Curu wrote: Wanna see worse scum logic? Town voting someone to sheep, then unvoting when called out for it cause he "doesn't want to get lynched." hmm, sevryns behavior had something innocent in my eyes i don't know... Somehow I tend to buy that story... I mean the whole thing started like that: Basic situation: He knew Palmar from former games; and we all know that palmar played some good games for town recently - Palmar accuses DB; I jump on that wagon but declare it as a pressurevote. Varp shows up, says pressurevotes only work if you don't say it's a pressurevote (i 75% agree with that statement) Now the poor sevryn sees all this: he also wants to contribute something by pressurevoting, so he fakes his reason and follows varps advice and gets caught immediately... However that doesn't mean he's town. If he flips scum i know who to look at next, which makes this a very good lynch. It provides information and has a good a shot as any at getting scum.
Why he's scummy has been covered before, but in short, he made an absolutely bullshit vote then called it pressure when he got called out for it: + Show Spoiler [quotes] +On August 19 2011 23:39 Sevryn wrote: Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie ## vote DropBear sheeping vote and trusting Palmar unconditionally On August 20 2011 00:56 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 00:30 Curu wrote: Naw
Thanks for drawing Sevyrn out though.
So Sevyrn, because Palmar was a Townie in a completely different game, you decide to trust him and sheep his vote blindly? His play was basicly them same in that game so I'm inclined to belive him do you have a better target? defending his sheeping vote On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear". On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:you guys are fucking lazy and boring. Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan. Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time. Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2? I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.
On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote: how about putting your vote on dropbear?
##Vote DropBear i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people. Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad. ##Vote DropBearand before anyone jumps on me like: "wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum. My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm". How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel? What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway. Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game. backing out of his vote, calling it pressure, and defending his bullshit by saying it was intentional. And now he's lurking hardcore. verdict: SCUM##vote sevryn+ Show Spoiler +also his name is fucking impossible to spell
You're wrong and you know that. Doesn't matter what sevryn flips. It won't provide any information about me. Defending someone with good reasons isn't scummy at all. I have an opinion and I am not afraid to share it.
xtfftc and nard are scummy as hell. Nard keeps apologizing for not doing anything and only summarizes the action without sharing his thoughts. xtfftc on the other hand confuses my "I-know-not-all-of-you-are-scum-so-please-vote-list" with my accuses on him. I admit, I overlooked him when I made that list. However that doesn't mean my accuse on the first place was a mistake. I didn't revenge-voted him for voting palmar. I don't care who votes palmar. I voted him for his reason to vote Palmar.
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my suspects also didn't vote for sevryn so far. The only person I am suspicious of that voted for sevryn is varp. I feel like Varpulis wants to sacrifice sevryn to jump on me afterwards. sevryn not showing up is also pretty strange. It's boring to lynch someone who actually doesn't care.
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On August 21 2011 03:07 BrownBear wrote:This is a complete turnaround from your earlier opinion on Sevryn: after all, you're the one who started the bandwagon against him. Care to explain? I'm getting very sick of all your one-liner aggressive posts - you aren't contributing nearly as much as you think you are.
On August 20 2011 01:00 Palmar wrote: I don't have a problem with killing sevryn
But dropbear is an enemy, he must die.
it's no complete turnaround. What are you talking about. Did you even read the thread?
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perfect, xtfftc and nard both refuse to vote for sevryn and say they want to wait until he defends himself. There is no reason not to vote him until he defends himself. Not only does this behavior back up my doubts on your innocence. But it also changes my mind about sevryn.
Since noone is going to follow my vote on xtfftc who is my primetarget I am going to switch on sevryn.
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2 votes left for a majority by the way...
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On August 21 2011 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 03:24 xtfftc wrote: By the way, I have to apologise to supersoft - I just noticed that I didn't post in the voting thread, which was probably the reason he put me on his list (although it's still kind of sloppy).
So I'm going to vote after Sevryn defends himself. Palmar, DropBear and BrownBear are a story that has to develop further. wtf? why are you afraid of voting now? Is it because others have labeled you as scum already? I didn't think you seemed that scummy, but with this new post and a couple of others of yours on this page...I'm having second thoughts about you.
I also prefer to lynch xtfftc.
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ah screw it. I am switching my vote back on xtfftc. I will be there before the lynch and prevent a no lynch if necessary. But right now I stay focussed on my #1 target.
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On August 21 2011 03:49 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 21 2011 03:24 xtfftc wrote: By the way, I have to apologise to supersoft - I just noticed that I didn't post in the voting thread, which was probably the reason he put me on his list (although it's still kind of sloppy).
So I'm going to vote after Sevryn defends himself. Palmar, DropBear and BrownBear are a story that has to develop further. wtf? why are you afraid of voting now? Is it because others have labeled you as scum already? I expected supersoft to be superhappy about this but noone else. Sevryn is basically dead, one way or another. No mafia will be dumb enough to protect him anymore and the townies are aware that going after anyone else now would look suspicious.
and therefor you don't do anything, am I right. Neither do you vote for him, nor do you accuse someone else.
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5 hours left... that time sucks for europeans like me... its 6 a.m. over here...
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On August 21 2011 08:10 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 08:02 xtfftc wrote:On August 21 2011 07:54 DropBear wrote:On August 21 2011 07:46 xtfftc wrote: Would you pick a non-lynch instead of lynching Sevryn? Are these directed at me or not? I can't tell To xtfftc, I'd rather lynch someone than noone. I would much rather kill hiro or chaoser over sevryn though. It was directed at Palmar's post but it is a question everyone has to think about, even if we don't discuss it openly. Is there a possibility to lynch anyone but Sevryn tonight? It doesn't matter who would you like to lynch tonight if it's impossible. If the answer is negative, it all comes down to lynching Sevryn or lynching no one. you seem really against not lynching me
your defense of yourself is absolutely not enough. Put some more effort in this game.
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sevryn, if you are innocent, defend yourself. it's not too late. If you are town, you should try to. Only scum doesn't self-defend, because they could give away important information to the town. Prove your innocence by contributing a lot! If not, we may end this day now. You got about 15 votes - counted without the people that claimed to switch their votes to achieve a majoritysituation.
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On August 21 2011 05:26 Sevryn wrote: /in this looks awesome and I am about to die in XLIV
good god, you're such a douche. Why exactly do you even play this game? "awww there are 15 votes on me and the day ends in 5 hours - okay i give up"
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On August 21 2011 08:39 Curu wrote:lol Sevyrn I like nard and Rayzor as lynches. Nard and Rayzor are both trying to plan where to point the finger for DB/Sevyrn lynches: Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 04:55 RayzorFlash wrote: Town right now loses NOTHING by lynching Sev. If he flips red, we immediately know who to go after next, i.e. the people defending him, or the people trying to get someone else lynched first. If he flips green, we can target the ones who have most aggressively tried to get him lynched. Its a win-win situation. Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 20:42 nard wrote: regarding the early accusations: i see nothing yet which lets me believe we have a scum for certain. but i am damaged from last mini mafia: if dropbear ever dies and turns out to be not scum, Palmar is on my hit list :D
100% agree. We have jackal voting for Rayzor so far? I suspected nard before, but rayzor basically posts the same things.
@GM, sorry for the douche commentary, I just wanted to wake him up somehow...
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wtf, i thought we have about 3 hours left. Palmar stop this. Lets lynch this rayzorguy
##unvote
##vote: RazorFlash
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On August 21 2011 09:25 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 09:15 supersoft wrote:On August 21 2011 08:39 Curu wrote:lol Sevyrn I like nard and Rayzor as lynches. Nard and Rayzor are both trying to plan where to point the finger for DB/Sevyrn lynches: On August 21 2011 04:55 RayzorFlash wrote: Town right now loses NOTHING by lynching Sev. If he flips red, we immediately know who to go after next, i.e. the people defending him, or the people trying to get someone else lynched first. If he flips green, we can target the ones who have most aggressively tried to get him lynched. Its a win-win situation. On August 19 2011 20:42 nard wrote: regarding the early accusations: i see nothing yet which lets me believe we have a scum for certain. but i am damaged from last mini mafia: if dropbear ever dies and turns out to be not scum, Palmar is on my hit list :D 100% agree. We have jackal voting for Rayzor so far? I suspected nard before, but rayzor basically posts the same things. @GM, sorry for the douche commentary, I just wanted to wake him up somehow... You want me to kill somebody I believe to be town instead of voting for somebody that obviously appears to be getting coached. Somebody I think is scum? There is a scum wagon on Sevryn. I'm not joining it.
no. You misunderstood me. I agree with your decision to vote RazorFlash and I also disagree with the severynlynch. I just wanted to know how many votes we're having on Razor
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i won't let a no lynch happen. Sevryn dies if noone switches on rayzor. But i believe, that it's possible to get a majority on rayzor. We can switch back on sevryn anytime.
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list of people:
Foolishness jackal supersoft sevryn __________ have their vote on him
curu hiro wherebugsgo __________consider switching
mig? palmar?
my thoughts on chaoser: I never played with him before, and I had no time to look up his posts. If he's an experienced player, I agree, the time he already invested in excusing his abstinence could have been used better e.g. to do some scumhunt... I have to filter him etc. I just have no feeling about this guy yet.
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On August 21 2011 10:08 hiro protagonist wrote: to reiderate: if we cannot get a lynch on Rayzorflash, we all move back to Sev 10min before the deadline. this is important. I dont want a no lynch.
lets say 5 minutes. i'll be there.
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