kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for.
bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor.
Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote.
Foolishness (for BM) I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples.
risk.nuke Another campaign starting with I am not a very good town.
BM Seems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign
BC He is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience.
sandroba "I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability.
VE I think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.
Meapak The second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this.
BC who are you voting for, and Look at palmars play in mr wiggles mafia, I think he is trolling and fucking around so that he doesnt get killed by mafia. The last 2 I played with him he's gotten a raw deal for being good at town.
4) Cyrandor C’mon guys give this guy a break, he made a couple of bad posts and claimed something wrong (kitaman), but isn’t this exactly the kind of stuff the mafia is looking for to blow up? Not saying he’s town, but it’s way too early to claim that he ain’t. It’s ok to be suspicious, but to lynch him right away? Nah…
Wtf is this? Never give a break to someone you believe is scum. Push them until they prove otherwise. The threat of getting lynched is one of the strongest tools we have as town.
On January 14 2012 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar, would you kindly answer the questions I've asked you? Your life could very well be on the line sir.
No, your questions are dumb.
All right - consider lynching Palmar as part of my platform. If you elect me to office, I promise to lynch scumPalmar as my first act.
You said you wanted your first lynch to be a town decision? Where is this logic now? Not that this is scummy just shitty mayor play
If i am a red mason it means whoever claims i masoned will be town, period. I would never have to mason a scumbuddy as well, im already talking to them.
WIFOM
Otherwise, Do you think that all masons should claim like you have? Assuming atleast 1 mason would be mafia it could lead to a high percentage day 1 lynch
If i am a red mason it means whoever claims i masoned will be town, period. I would never have to mason a scumbuddy as well, im already talking to them.
WIFOM
Otherwise, Do you think that all masons should claim like you have? Assuming atleast 1 mason would be mafia it could lead to a high percentage day 1 lynch
how is that wifom? Why would I as red ever out myself and another mafia in the same day? Especially when if i had used my mason somewhere else i would be counterclaimed and die? It would mean i would have to hold onto my use and have a scumbuddy claim and thus waste my own power to corrupt a townie? It is pure logic, not wifom.
As for masons claiming? Things like this are what my claim were supposed to generate. Forcing people to only post in the thread for instance is a huge deal as it removes a scum form of play, etc...
It is WIFOM because there is no way of confirming your alignment or that of who you mason regardless of either one of your alignments. Based on what you have said the possible outcomes are
You are town and die, the person you mason'd is a null read because you cant know for sure what alignment they are.
You are Scum and die, you mason a town -> we think the mason'd is town You are Scum and die, you mason no one or a scum (kind of redundant) claiming to mason said scum team member -> we think mason'd is town
If you are town, survive, and the person you mason dies as town, we have a null read on you If you are town, survive, and the person you mason dies as scum, we should have a town read on you If you are scum, survive, and the person you mason dies as town, we have a null read on you If you are scum, survive, and the person you mason dies as scum, we should have a town read on you.
If we are to believe what you say and you survive day 1/night 1 as scum mason and you claim a teammate, you become more and more powerful because you can then start masoning townies to further confirm your role.
If i am a red mason it means whoever claims i masoned will be town, period. I would never have to mason a scumbuddy as well, im already talking to them.
WIFOM
Otherwise, Do you think that all masons should claim like you have? Assuming atleast 1 mason would be mafia it could lead to a high percentage day 1 lynch
how is that wifom? Why would I as red ever out myself and another mafia in the same day? Especially when if i had used my mason somewhere else i would be counterclaimed and die? It would mean i would have to hold onto my use and have a scumbuddy claim and thus waste my own power to corrupt a townie? It is pure logic, not wifom.
As for masons claiming? Things like this are what my claim were supposed to generate. Forcing people to only post in the thread for instance is a huge deal as it removes a scum form of play, etc...
It is WIFOM because there is no way of confirming your alignment or that of who you mason regardless of either one of your alignments. Based on what you have said the possible outcomes are
You are town and die, the person you mason'd is a null read because you cant know for sure what alignment they are.
You are Scum and die, you mason a town -> we think the mason'd is town You are Scum and die, you mason no one or a scum (kind of redundant) claiming to mason said scum team member -> we think mason'd is town
If you are town, survive, and the person you mason dies as town, we have a null read on you If you are town, survive, and the person you mason dies as scum, we should have a town read on you If you are scum, survive, and the person you mason dies as town, we have a null read on you If you are scum, survive, and the person you mason dies as scum, we should have a town read on you.
If we are to believe what you say and you survive day 1/night 1 as scum mason and you claim a teammate, you become more and more powerful because you can then start masoning townies to further confirm your role.
so? I confirm my role not my alignment. I have openly said it never clears the alignment of who I mason. How is this an issue? You knew this going in. I have a confirmable role not alignment. I said that in my first fucking post on this matter. I put myself in a hotseat all to out the potential butt fucking the mafia would give.
As for your WIFOM shit, i never once said you can confirm people I mason, you proposed that. You created your own argument on something I never said. Town should base their read on someone based on how they act in thread, not on the knowledge of "a mason mason'd this guy so hes legit/scum yo"
You will get a town read on me based on my actions. If i mason a scum, in pms he slips up and he dies and flips red because i outed his slip up I look better than I do now but am no way confirmed. If i do it multiple times maybe.
Where did I say that i am confirmable alignment? where did I say the person i mason is confirmable. My role is nothing else is. I still have to prove my alignment via posts just like everyone else. I am merely opting to fubar the mafia while im at it.
On January 14 2012 04:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
If i am a red mason it means whoever claims i masoned will be town, period.
All I am saying is that this is not true and you saying that it is, is WIFOM.
I am not saying that you said your role is confirmed, I am saying that there is the realistic possibility of you or any other claimed mason to be scum and claim to mason scum
On January 14 2012 05:33 Kurumi wrote: Have You been to the new Sherlock Holmes? It's good. Anyway, Meapak's reasoning sounds reasonable and I feel stupid for not getting such basic thing. BC, do You think You'd be dead if not elected into office today?
I feel like I might get shot? Mafia has to outweigh the importance of the mason role. Do they risk outing themselves faster by killing me, or keep me alive and hope that i get offed by town?
Do I think I will die, at some point yes, totally depends on how the game rolls.
Cool. I suppose You're going to try to confirm people through PMs, since fishing for blue roles is not something needed for a Town mason, right? Yeah, that's what everyone should just say open in the thread if it happens. Anyway. If You get elected we get very strong both town and scum player in the office, also You're really good in PM manipulation. The risks as for me, are still 50/50. If You're scum, we're fucked, if You're not, they're fucked.
so is it safer to have him not in office in your opinion?
On January 14 2012 06:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: masons rely on their ability to read people and read posts to get a good view of someone. Catching someone in pms is not as easy as everyone thinks it is and historically towns have town far more retarded things there than good.
this. 100 times over. There is a greater chance scum misleads masons then there is masons catching scum in pm's.
On January 14 2012 06:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: masons rely on their ability to read people and read posts to get a good view of someone. Catching someone in pms is not as easy as everyone thinks it is and historically towns have town far more retarded things there than good.
this. 100 times over. There is a greater chance scum misleads masons then there is masons catching scum in pm's.
Disagree. Maybe I put too much faith into the town's collective ability to think coherently but I maintain that it is easier to catch a scum via PM then it is for a townie to be mislead by scum.
you are putting too much faith in town. Look at wiggles mini mafia and XLVIII (best examples with this many new players), also both games I was apart of
On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target?
Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back.
They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote.
On January 14 2012 06:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: masons rely on their ability to read people and read posts to get a good view of someone. Catching someone in pms is not as easy as everyone thinks it is and historically towns have town far more retarded things there than good.
this. 100 times over. There is a greater chance scum misleads masons then there is masons catching scum in pm's.
If you believe there is a greater chance scum misleads town, do you think this applies to talking in the thread as well? Why would you post that Mattchew? Its all about thinking things through and not using WIFOM. You and BC are both using things that aren't applicable to this game. This isn't a past game and this game is all about thinking, its not obvious that one side or the other will be able to deceive their opponent. Its about who thinks and acts the best for their side.
Because its power in numbers. The scum is a team, we are individuals, 10 heads are better than others. The smart safe play is assuming that pm'ing scum and scum pm'ing is more dangerous to town then vice versa.
On January 14 2012 07:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is an interesting conversation, you haven't convinced me but some good points have been brought up. What happens if a mason chooses not to claim when you all order them to? Do you lynch him the second he comes out on the policy of LaL? I just feel like this whole plan is very shortsighted.
And on that note I'd like to get back to the mayor/sheriff discussion. The last thing we want is to get completely sidetracked day 1. Bc's claim created good discussion and created a lot of material however we need to refocus and get done what needs to be done.
I still support BC to be my sheriff, however given that a lot of people are nervous of him because of his claim I'd like to remind people that Kita is my second choice. If you can't bring yourself to vote BC then vote kita. He's made some good points and he's probably best option behind bc.
I'd really like to hear from L right now. He's the only really good vet who hasn't checked in yet and I'd love to hear what he has to say about mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain.
I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught.
This is logic.
Why should we vote you if you are bad?
A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence.
What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.
I will be active.[/b] I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00).
The standard obligatory "I suck at scum"
I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good.
I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00)
No I am not giving up on my campaign for the one and only BILL MURRAY. Rather it has come to my attention that my other client, the esteemed Mattchew the Mason has decided to run for mayor as well! How do I know my client is a mason? Duh! I have only been talking to him all day long! And he will come in shortly to confirm that!
Of course he has chosen to done this because he thinks it is best for him to claim mason. I am not sure how I personally feel about the other mason's claiming but I can tell you this: Mattchew is most certainly a town mason and not a mafia one, and the both of us think he will be perfect in office. You should obviously be taking this with a grain of salt, but if I thought Mattchew was actually a mafia mason I'd be saying so right now in a very "haha sucker!" sort of manor. Since I'm not you can be sure that I have done my analysis and confirmed that he is innocent (and I encourage everyone to do the same based on his thread posts). That said Mattchew has my full support in getting into office.
Let's face it, none of us what to get screwed over in the event that BC is mafia. The thought of BC laughing hysterically after the game is over at playing us all for fools is not something that sits right in my stomach (not that I think he's actually mafia, but better safe than sorry right?) Thus let's take a more simpler approach and vote a mason who we know will be giving his all and not screwing us behind the scenes!
So why would you not vote for me wbg? Wouldn't you rather have a confirmed townie in office than someone you would be taking a leap of faith on?
The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now.
On January 14 2012 10:56 bumatlarge wrote: Mattchew's reasoning: "Hm, foolishness is a strong townie I hear, and I'm a mason, I wonder what I should do?" At this point, mattchew had not yet posted in the thread so he must have read this;
It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray!
Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office.
Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie.
Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will!
A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town!
Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type.
You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray! + Show Spoiler +
Yes I'm 100% serious
Mattchew: "Wow, he really is a solid townie! Look at how he backs a questionable candidate who has not even posted yet. He might be scum, or he's a really good town player"
Now, if you had alot of experience with foolishness, I could perhaps understand, but if this is your reasoning as a person who has not played with him, your reasons for him as town suck. ERGO you must be trolling.
where did I say i believed foolishness was town? I just knew that he plays extremely well as town, + Show Spoiler +
and I have no idea how to play this role. I took a risk and pm'd him. I will say that I have a town read on him but I am not going to claim that he is 100% town
On January 14 2012 10:58 Mattchew wrote: So why would you not vote for me wbg? Wouldn't you rather have a confirmed townie in office than someone you would be taking a leap of faith on?
The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now.
just by the fact that you consider yourself confirmed town I don't want to vote you.
I don't understand why everyone says "Palmar would make a great day 2 lynch." If he would make a great day 2 lynch he'd make a great day 1 lynch. Let's stop screwing around and get to business, yeah? The pussyfooting we've been doing so far has been detrimental to town discussion and multiple people have already stated that they've been sidetracked by the stupid mason discussion.
All of the alternatives posed to Palmar right now are noobs or people who are otherwise not easy to read. Palmar is super easy to read; if he's playing like shit, afraid, and dodging questions or scumhunting, he's scum. If he's aggressive and tunnels people, he's town (now watch him come in and randomly tunnel someone for a while since I said this)
Look at wiggles mini mafia, he played like shit that first day too. He can come through with a fury day 2 and beyond.
On January 14 2012 10:58 Mattchew wrote: So why would you not vote for me wbg? Wouldn't you rather have a confirmed townie in office than someone you would be taking a leap of faith on?
The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now.
DUDE STOP CALLING YOURSELF CONFIRMED TOWNIE
Nothing is confirmed without a flip. Not even DT checks are confirmed until the DT flips. You are NOT a confirmed townie, you're ridiculous for thinking so.
sorry for using logic. If you cant follow that then please re-read me and foolishness's posts
On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere.
Sorry I missed this post.
I pm'd him.
Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.
Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player).
Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason.
You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me?
Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways.
Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement).
Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt.
What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post.
Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth?
Original Message From Foolishness: okay
Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia.
So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future.
I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far.
Original Message From Mattchew: Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt
Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now.
Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that...
I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes
Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post?
Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good.
Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe.
Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim.
Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful.
Original Message From Foolishness: Also, if you don't want to claim I can claim mason for you. Then I can breadcrumb in one of my posts that you are the real mason so you can contact people in the future.
Original Message From Mattchew: Im thinking about claiming, but would like to solicit your opinion on it before I do. I think that it will prove me as town by claiming mason and mason'ing you. I could also run for mayor based off of this and put a proven townie in the mayoral or sheriff seat
Original Message From Foolishness: I actually wouldn't be surprised if there were like 5 town mason's. While a mason is a blue role, mason's don't really help the town catch or kill mafia (like a DT or Vigi/Hatter would). Mason's only help two people communicate and bounce ideas off of each other. Information flow can be a very fickle thing in mafia games.
I got to go to a meeting be back later.
Original Message From Mattchew: Odds there is a second town mason? I think flamewheel likes pm's so I really don't know, but the risk of BC being mafia and a mason is scary as hell to me if he gets elected
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On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
On January 14 2012 10:48 bumatlarge wrote: ATTENTION THOSE WHO READ BUM'S POSTS
I like BC, and I think his goals are pro-town, but I also feel our best move is to not make him mayor based on that. He has stated to me that he is not expecting to win from his claim, but I would like him to live up to that self-less expectation. If he has a good lynch candidate, then I'll get behind him. Town masons, it's up to you how you feel you shoul act based on BC's proposal, but be prepared to explain exactly why you haven't followed up on it already.
Cyber_Cheese is my lynch choice at the moment if I get voted in. He had a very "why not?" campaign, got himself into multiple players scopes early on and I feel like people are actively not discussing candidates for lynch. If there are a few people who are actual scum, distractions like endlessly swamping BC with point-less accusations about his claim, scum tend to not like talking about them.
BC, if you vote for me, I'd prefer to have you as sheriff where you can mantain your protection while being ut under the microscope with your claim. That sounds reasonable, no?
@meapak: I'm not reliable? lol please bro, I'm the most reliable person in this game. I'm readable and smart, and as mayor I can nail that one-time lynch, and then my votes will always be reliably placed. I HAD RESPONSIBILITY COMPLETELY UNDER MY THUMB... regardless of what my voting history said lol. You said this a while ago so, if you think I'm not good enough to be mayor just come out and say it cupcake.
Who is still running? THREAD PRESCENCE PEOPLE. If I can't remember if you are running or not, then you might as well opt out. Any half-assed campaigns by townies are detrimental, because I'll take your ass to court in analysis if you said you were campaigning and coughed up empty in the useful department.
RPGs dude. You killed us.
Please stop bringing this up, I had posted multiple times in the QT what we were going to do, and I had to manage your massive failure in the item game, as well as all these items in the black market that were OP as hell. You wanna push this, then blame it on the mods or something. As far as I was concerned, I was 1 of the only two useful townies that game, and I would have won it single handedly. Bringing this up is just a testament to how amazing I am as a leader.
Thanks jackal, I'm expecting your vote any minute now.
EBWOP: Forgive this post, I got angry. If you really think I'd play this game exactly the way I would play insane mafia 2 where I was the police chief and the mayor, and you think someone here would have done a better job in the same position, then fine.
I'm opting out of the race. I'm clearly not meant to be mayor on TL ever again.
That said, Slardar, the strength of the mayor is how much ressure is put on them by deciding the lynch. Scum can run bullshit campaigns if all they need to live up to is having +3 voting power and night protection. Scum mayor's get massive amounts of flak very quickly because it becomes apparent rather quickly that they don't have town's best interest.
I'm sorry Bum. I had no intention of pissing you off. You are one of my favorite people on here.
Aw, you're one of my favorites too. But prepare your anus if you bring that up again.
I'd probably vote for someone who was going to lynch cyber_cheese, or explains a better candidate. I don't see why ciryandor or palmar are scum over cheese.
On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote: I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain.
I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught.
This is logic.
Why should we vote you if you are bad?
A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence.
What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.
I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00).
The standard obligatory "I suck at scum"
I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good.
I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00)
Not selling me, Mattchew. You are explaining reasons why we should vote for you here. But before that, you admit that you aren't the best town player, and that the "scum wouldn't pick you because you're not a good listener." So if you aren't the best town player, why would you even want to be put in as mayor? Obviously the mayor role was designed to have a strong scum-hunting town player since they have an insta-lynch, and they have the protection of the bodyguard's/knowledge of the who bodyguard's are.
I am a bad scum listener, but I am learning to be a good town listener. I will be extremely active in consulting town with decisions that I have to make.
A. Than you say you are confirmed town. How are you confirmed town? Claiming that you mason'd someone is hardly the right way. The logic behind me mason'ing foolishness that early (1/14 01:29 TL time).
B. This is applied to anyone that is placed into the Mayor position, save the mason ability. I don't see how it's that pertinent.
I would be have an extra power that can help my decisions for town.
C. So you basically are a Mayor with a veteran coach, but than say you aren't going to take their advice. I would much rather have a Mayor in office that is transparent about decisions, and not talking behind closed doors.
My decisions will be transparent i will just have extra help reaching them.
Why do you feel these players are scum? I personally would like to hear back from Macpo before I make any decisions on his alignment, although, he hasn't said anything since I brought him up earlier.
Macpo is playing exactly like i did my first game (i was scum).
Ciry has posted next to nothing and supported a terrible campaign
I have never played with Foolishness before, but from what I understand, he is a strong townie player. I don't necessarily understand the supporting two players so abruptly, seemingly out of nowhere, but I guess that it comes from partial meta and partial private convo's - which, I think, should be at least brought to the front.
I brought them to the front
For the mayoral campaign, I originally like the BC, but I feel that after his claim, i'm not sure - i'm quite confused on the matter. I don't think a mafia player would play the card he did, but I don't want to pretend I know why a town player would do it either. The jury is still out on who I want to vote for for Mayor.
I have to go for the night. Be back tomorrow morning (about 12 - 13 hours from now) I plan on re-reading cheese's filter tomorrow morning. Also, if anyone has a Palmar filter of him as scum acting similarly that would be great.
On January 14 2012 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Mattchew, you didn't even know if Foolish was town or not. You still don't. So why would his 'vouch' mean anything to anyone, and how in the world would it confirm anyone as town?
If he is scum and I am town, why would he endorse me? If we are both scum, do you think scum team or even me and him would call this attention? I even posted our entire pm convo. If I am scum and he is town, do you think scum would a. mason me and b. let me pm one of the best townies?
most likely If we are both town, we are trying to elect a townie
This isnt that hard of logic. Think it through fully
On January 14 2012 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Mattchew, you didn't even know if Foolish was town or not. You still don't. So why would his 'vouch' mean anything to anyone, and how in the world would it confirm anyone as town?
If he is scum and I am town, why would he endorse me? If we are both scum, do you think scum team or even me and him would call this attention? I even posted our entire pm convo. If I am scum and he is town, do you think scum would a. mason me and b. let me pm one of the best townies?
most likely If we are both town, we are trying to elect a townie
This isnt that hard of logic. Think it through fully
This is all WIFOM.
There is a difference between WIFOM and providing logical thought. If you see a different outcome please let me know
can you please read our conversation VE. If you think a scum team would make me mason, and let me talk to foolishness you are playing the wrong odds. Its extremely far fetched
However, I am not as concerned with Foolishness's alignment as I am with my own
(although he can't "manipulate" (to use your words) me past n1)
On January 14 2012 16:08 Mattchew wrote: foolishness would have stuck with only bill murray had I not mason'd him. Now he pushes for me and bill because to him I am safe.
With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon.
first of all. I just got back from the bar. Second of all. Read my filter. What more substance do you want. I laid out my 3 candidates to lynch and established myself as town.
On January 14 2012 16:08 Mattchew wrote: foolishness would have stuck with only bill murray had I not mason'd him. Now he pushes for me and bill because to him I am safe.
With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon.
Could not of said it better myself. But now that he mentions it, where the hell is BM? I'm not sold that any of the mayor candidate have a proper direction right now, and for all declaring they'd be active, they seem to be lacking.
Please read post above. I have spoken on every issue brought up (palmar, masons, who to lynch) and I don't understand this logic of Mayor running the town / game. You get 2extra votes and a lynch and immunity. You don't have to be the most vocal to be a good mayor you just have to make decent decisions and read well.
On January 14 2012 16:08 Mattchew wrote: foolishness would have stuck with only bill murray had I not mason'd him. Now he pushes for me and bill because to him I am safe.
With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon.
Could not of said it better myself. But now that he mentions it, where the hell is BM? I'm not sold that any of the mayor candidate have a proper direction right now, and for all declaring they'd be active, they seem to be lacking.
Please read post above. I have spoken on every issue brought up (palmar, masons, who to lynch) and I don't understand this logic of Mayor running the town / game. You get 2extra votes and a lynch and immunity. You don't have to be the most vocal to be a good mayor you just have to make decent decisions and read well.
A mayor is someone players who surf by doing the bare minimum in thread follow at least early on. If you vote to off x then x will usually get sheeped.
The other major reason is the player who gets mayor is someone you want to be able to hold accountable. IE is that person going to push a lynch hard, or is he going to get feedback first before deciding to push a lynch target. Forcing discussion, actively pushing lynches, etc.. are the things commonly looked for in a mayor.
A. You are wrong. I think the shear volume of posts about foolishness, palmar, L (who hasn't even posted) and other vets not trying for mayor proves this. People will listen to vets and those who are most vocal, regardless of whether or not they are mayor. Also, I don't care for the people trying to scrap by doing the bare minimum, fuck them, to quote flamewheel
Of special importance for this game though: if you tend to "lurk" or I see that you are not putting effort into this game, despite not being modkilled you will be unable to participate in my future games.
So please don't get modkilled and put a concerted effort into playing this.
You are basically giving people an excuse to sheep the mayor. What the hell is that. My priority is getting 2 town elected officials. This is by far and away the best thing we can do on day 1.
The mayor basically is a 3 power jack, with a dayvig shot, 2 extra votes and 2 bodyguards. Putting a scum member (regardless of how pro-town their campaign is) is terrible for town. This is why I have done everything logically under the sun to prove that I am town. And will vote for the person I believe to be most town running alongside me.
EBWOP: I am still deciding between BC and Meapack. I sincerely doubt that scum had enough time to elect BC mason and come up with a complex plan that he would be pulling off right now.
Re: Mattchew being elected Said already, you're not confirmed, and you're obviously a pretty bad spot if you think you're confirmed because you pmed a dude. If we could see that PM log, that story may change though (if Foolishness says a role you don't want revealed you can censor that if it's keeping you). Seriously, if you're campaign is about transparency, show us examples.
On January 14 2012 18:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: mkay wow a lot happened. I just wanna address the Mattchew candidacy.
This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless.
I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't.
Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum.
I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity.
The only evidence you have is foolishness's word? I don't even know if foolishness is town. You should put as much into foolishness's word as anyone else who has posted like 5 times and 2 of them has been semi trolly campaign announcements. Foolishness did not come up with outing me, I went to him with that idea. Please re-read the PMs between me and him, which I have posted unlike any other Mason claiming.
At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them.
Wanted to highlight that. I PM'd foolishness way too quick to have had any scum team plan especially one that describes whether or not he is "on to them" When I PM'd him it is unlikely there was even a majority of scum to vote me into mason and come up with this plan. The fact that mafia has to elect their mason should aid my innocence based off how quickly I PM'd.
Establishing my own innocence is pro-town and alongside scum-hunting are the most important things for all townies to do.
On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote: Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep. Topics to discuss: A) Mattchew Let’s analyze his post.
On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote: I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain.
I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Not really an argument. A variance of the usual “I suck at scum”. Nothing special. Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught.
This is logic. This make sense. Why would mafia PM the best town player straight away? After he already started a campaign for BM. There is no real perspective for scum here. And the idea that both are scum is strange, too. The BM campaign wouldn’t make sense. There’s no chance that all 3 are scum.
Why should we vote you if you are bad?
A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. Not really confirmed. But by logic he’s likely town. B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. Masons can’t get roleblock! They have a day action. So B is not really an issue. The townish vibes make the difference here. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. Makes sense to me. That is why the BC claim timing was so odd to me. He would have had a great chance to become mayor.
What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.
I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00).
The standard obligatory "I suck at scum"
I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. The mayor downside of his post . I agree with WBG here, these candidates suck. Would like to see Echelot or Palmar here. Mapco is a new player, you can clearly see it. So why lynch him.
I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00)
That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682 He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot. In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real. Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky. Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is: ##vote Mattchew
Other people we should't elect Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to.
Once again, resisting the urge of capslock and name calling. please, please, please, re-read my filter. I am the one who suggests to foolishness that I run, I am the one who wants to out myself as a mason, I am the one who posted me and foolishness's PM's (without even asking him) and I am the one who is running for mayor right now (foolishness has made 1 post on me).
One last note on my alignment.
I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Onto other topics than my innocence and people's lack of reading comprehension.
I am still campaigning on a Lynching of either Ciryandor, Mapco, or Chaosquo. They have all disappeared, posted like scummy shit and have not been pro-town at all.
Thinking palmar is scum right now is like having a really large weight pulling at the end of your fishing line. It could be that trophy catch you've been waiting for your whole life, or it most likely is a boot. That is not to say he should be let off the hook though, Palmar you have posted very little to nothing at all. We all know you can be really good at town, if you truly are town, please start posting better.
There are only 3 campaigns running that are not your standard cookie cutter mayoral campaigns. Those 3 are Bill Murray BloodyCobbler Myself
As L said we need to get voting so that this wont be hijacked.
On January 15 2012 01:15 supersoft wrote: Alright, I need to get this game going and leave the lurker-mode:
I want to introduce myself for the players that don't know me. I rolled town like my last 6 or 7 games and I think I learned a lot since then. I developped a pretty solid strategy to find scum. I a huge game like this I modified this strategy a little bit:
I just devided all the players into 3 groups. The first group are players i am familiar with and I have special expectations about. The second group are players I don't know well and I expect them to do well and the thirdgroup are players I don't know well and I have no expectations.
Each group of players will be divided into 4 categories. Townread, slight townread, no read and scumread.
I will add quotes and short explanations to each player i add into one category. I really think finding town is the way to find scum. Real scumslips are extremely rare. _____________
I think this is a pretty good approach to contribute to this game and for the new players it's extremely important to
I don't need to be mayor, but since I am someone who is working on the game, I think you better listen to me. Moreover if i request medicprotection, I don't do this for fun. Right now I feel pretty save since there are better targets than me, but when the time has come and I ask you to do me that favor, please don't screw up :D If someone wants to elect me as mayor, I don't say no. But right now I evaluate my chances as pretty low, so I don't want to cause even more chaos with a big campaign.
Alright that's it. The mayoral campaigns are pretty poor so far. BC's is the best, but I expect him to write up the best mayoral candidacy post even as scum, so I have yet to decide who to vote for. _________
One thing I've left to say: Palmar, you need to increase your activitylvl. Otherwise you won't survive day1 that's for sure. You know I refuse to kill good palyers early on, because I think everyone has a bad day from time to time and a second chance isn't that bad. + mislynches happen far too often.
And last but not least, I am always okay with lynching useless lurkers. They have to die at some point, it's no problem to kill one of them day1. (The list of these players is long right now). I don't care if it's easy for scum to manipulate these kills, townlukers are useless and scummy and when it comes down to lylo these guys are the ones that make town lose.
sweet maybe you can actually say something in your next post
On January 15 2012 01:16 risk.nuke wrote: Wasn't actually ment to post yet so ebwop and here is the follow-up part. I agree it's really about time to get the candidate numbers down, and start discussing. People needed to have voted by now so we could have had a decent idea of where people were standing, L I think you just might be alittle late to the race to run for mayor now.
4 On page 39 its stated that roles who get elected cannot be roleblocked; All of the current candidates for mayor are crumbing or have claimed roles that don't benefit from this. This issue is brought up a grand total of ONCE in the 12 pages since then and not discussed any further. - L
Re: Mattchew being elected Said already, you're not confirmed, and you're obviously a pretty bad spot if you think you're confirmed because you pmed a dude. If we could see that PM log, that story may change though (if Foolishness says a role you don't want revealed you can censor that if it's keeping you). Seriously, if you're campaign is about transparency, show us examples.
On January 14 2012 18:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: mkay wow a lot happened. I just wanna address the Mattchew candidacy.
This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless.
I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't.
Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum.
I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity.
The only evidence you have is foolishness's word? I don't even know if foolishness is town. You should put as much into foolishness's word as anyone else who has posted like 5 times and 2 of them has been semi trolly campaign announcements. Foolishness did not come up with outing me, I went to him with that idea. Please re-read the PMs between me and him, which I have posted unlike any other Mason claiming.
At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them.
Wanted to highlight that. I PM'd foolishness way too quick to have had any scum team plan especially one that describes whether or not he is "on to them" When I PM'd him it is unlikely there was even a majority of scum to vote me into mason and come up with this plan. The fact that mafia has to elect their mason should aid my innocence based off how quickly I PM'd.
Establishing my own innocence is pro-town and alongside scum-hunting are the most important things for all townies to do.
On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote: Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep. Topics to discuss: A) Mattchew Let’s analyze his post.
On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote: I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain.
I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Not really an argument. A variance of the usual “I suck at scum”. Nothing special. Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught.
This is logic. This make sense. Why would mafia PM the best town player straight away? After he already started a campaign for BM. There is no real perspective for scum here. And the idea that both are scum is strange, too. The BM campaign wouldn’t make sense. There’s no chance that all 3 are scum.
Why should we vote you if you are bad?
A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. Not really confirmed. But by logic he’s likely town. B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. Masons can’t get roleblock! They have a day action. So B is not really an issue. The townish vibes make the difference here. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. Makes sense to me. That is why the BC claim timing was so odd to me. He would have had a great chance to become mayor.
What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.
I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00).
The standard obligatory "I suck at scum"
I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. The mayor downside of his post . I agree with WBG here, these candidates suck. Would like to see Echelot or Palmar here. Mapco is a new player, you can clearly see it. So why lynch him.
I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00)
That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682 He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot. In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real. Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky. Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is: ##vote Mattchew
Other people we should't elect Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to.
Once again, resisting the urge of capslock and name calling. please, please, please, re-read my filter. I am the one who suggests to foolishness that I run, I am the one who wants to out myself as a mason, I am the one who posted me and foolishness's PM's (without even asking him) and I am the one who is running for mayor right now (foolishness has made 1 post on me).
One last note on my alignment.
I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Onto other topics than my innocence and people's lack of reading comprehension.
I am still campaigning on a Lynching of either Ciryandor, Mapco, or Chaosquo. They have all disappeared, posted like scummy shit and have not been pro-town at all.
Thinking palmar is scum right now is like having a really large weight pulling at the end of your fishing line. It could be that trophy catch you've been waiting for your whole life, or it most likely is a boot. That is not to say he should be let off the hook though, Palmar you have posted very little to nothing at all. We all know you can be really good at town, if you truly are town, please start posting better.
There are only 3 campaigns running that are not your standard cookie cutter mayoral campaigns. Those 3 are Bill Murray BloodyCobbler Myself
As L said we need to get voting so that this wont be hijacked.
Read the OP more carefully, a lot of your argument is based on 'scum have to choose their masons' which isn't true.
At the beginning of every cycle, you may send a PM to me detailing who you would like to Mason with during that cycle. You may PM with that person for the full cycle. You may not choose a person you have already Masoned with for the remainder of the game. The Mafia team will have a set number of people to choose as Masons. Mafia with other roles (Roleblocker, Framer, Godfather) can double up on Mason roles.
maybe you should read the OP more carefully
Foolishness did not out me. If you actually read our PM's I went to him and told him to post to prove I was a mason. I then posted shortly after.
I would also like to add that the mass claim idea cannot be technically enforced, so there is a chance there are still any amount of masons still out there at any time. Not claiming is not necessarily scum especially if you are a townie and against the mass claim.
On January 15 2012 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Hush you, I want experienced help, not someone who thinks they're confirmed "because foolish said so".
You will not get a rise out of me by spewing misinformation. I promise to be level headed and fair to everyone, but please stop saying things like "foolishness saying so" is my reason. My reason is far more deep and logically than that.
On January 15 2012 00:59 L wrote: The capitalization of Your and You makes me feel like a king. Keep it up.
BC is currently sitting in the lead with 5 votes. Both of Foolishness' puppets, if you will, Mattchew and Bill Murray are sitting at 3 apiece. Proactinium also has 3. Basically there are 4 people who are 'out front' with a total of 14 votes down between them.
Thread tone indicates that at least one or more of them is mafia. We'd have a better shot of keeping our elected office clean by throwing the offices to random people (20% chance vs. 25%+ chance), and that's not a good thing.
Can you explain why you believe I am Foolishness's puppet.
On January 15 2012 02:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Mattchew, you're still masoned with Foolishness correct? What else has been said since this post? Additionally, why did your campaign take so long to start if one of the bonuses is you being a mason who used the ability really early? You confirmed your role 8 hours before declaring your candidacy, and foolishness had also posted really early on BM's qualities.
We have not spoken since he had to "run for the evening" at 1/14/12 10:29. I don't know what to make of this.
I didn't know that I wanted to run for mayor until BC brought up the topic of masons coming forward. Originally I thought I might be the only mason which is clearly not true. When I started to realize it was not a unique role I figured I could use it in the most pro town way I could by getting an extremely likely townie into office (I am trying to stop using the word confirmed). The timing of the campaign was after some conversation with foolishness and when I had time to write a post
On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote: RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect.
There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through:
On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote: /confirmed
Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee)
kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for.
bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor.
Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote.
Foolishness (for BM) I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples.
risk.nuke Another campaign starting with I am not a very good town.
BM Seems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign
BC He is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience.
sandroba "I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability.
VE I think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.
Meapak The second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this.
It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player.
But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet.
Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion.
You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum.
Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player.
On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role?
Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is.
On January 15 2012 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Gonna unvote BC, he's not been active and he hasn't produced his mason. Given the ambiguity of the situation I no longer feel comfortable voting BC. As I've already stated, I will be voting kita for mayor.
My lynch choice is still GGQ. I thought seriously about Palmar but I just could not imagine a situation with him as scum where he'd be stupid enough to post like he is.
I'd also briefly like to talk about mattchew. In no way is he confirmed. None. Instead, like everyone else, we only have his actions to judge him by. So far all he has done is use WIFOM arguments about why he's town, call himself confirmed, say he'd lynch three easy suspects, and post extremely aggressively. He hasn't done anything to help the town so I'd advise people not to vote for him.
How about posting my PMs, being transparent and using logic.
On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote: RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect.
There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through:
On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote: /confirmed
Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee)
kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for.
bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor.
Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote.
Foolishness (for BM) I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples.
risk.nuke Another campaign starting with I am not a very good town.
BM Seems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign
BC He is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience.
sandroba "I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability.
VE I think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.
Meapak The second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this.
It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player.
But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet.
Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion.
You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum.
Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player.
You're less of a risk of flipping scum? Wouldn't you know that you were at no risk of flipping scum?
you missed the 3 words before your bolded text "to vote for". I am not speaking on me voting myself I know that I am town, I am proposing how someone else would see it, and it is true I am not confirmed, but I feel that I am logically town.
On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote: How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious?
You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game.
Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood.
Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list.
so should i call out every person that told me I didn't post my pms?
On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role?
Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is.
No actually they don't. Your only reason for being mayor is that you're a mason and that foolishness trusts you. Given foolishnesses actions so far it's pretty clear he's trolling so that's really not an endorsement. And as for your mason claim, you're no more confirmed than BC is and he's done a lot more than you.
imma quote myself from earlier
I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role?
Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is.
Incorrect.
We would be if nothing else equal playing ground. You used my initial claim to play off of foolishness to make a power play at an elected slot using your role. I have openly stated that I would not be surprised or expect to get in because of my claim. In short I expect if i was elected it would be off my ability, not my role. You run was purely something you did via "im a confirmed townie" because of your role.
The "cases" against you were that just because you are a mason does not make you confirmed town. You have been transparent with your pms yes, in which you have a townie who is helping you openly admit that bm is easily controllable and you are taking advice from him. IE you are also easily controllable. I am very hesitant to want someone elected that foolishness supports when his main reason admitted in a pm to you was an ability to control bm. Do you think he would support you if it was any different? Why would a vet player want someone in office he can manipulate/control instead of himself.
And jesus, I totally just stumbled across that thought in help of one of L's earlier posts. Does anyone have a solid reason why it is advantageous to have an elected official in office you can manipulate/control instead of running yourself? If you are controlling/manipulating wouldn't that suggest you are more sure of your own ability to play and should be running rather than ducking responsibility?
Can you link me to where I say foolishness is town? I only say that he is the best town player. And if he were scum, that would make me town, as others have said there is little to no chance me and foolishness are both scum. So the only scum option is me being scum and foolishness being town. to which i ask the same question i just posted above
On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere.
Sorry I missed this post.
I pm'd him.
Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1
Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player).
Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason.
You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me?
Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways.
Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement).
Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt.
What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post.
Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth?
Original Message From Foolishness: okay
Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia.
So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future.
I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far.
Original Message From Mattchew: Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt
Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now.
Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that...
I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes
Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post?
Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good.
Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe.
Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim.
Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful.
Original Message From Foolishness: Also, if you don't want to claim I can claim mason for you. Then I can breadcrumb in one of my posts that you are the real mason so you can contact people in the future.
Original Message From Mattchew: Im thinking about claiming, but would like to solicit your opinion on it before I do. I think that it will prove me as town by claiming mason and mason'ing you. I could also run for mayor based off of this and put a proven townie in the mayoral or sheriff seat
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On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed.
Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies
1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps?
1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3+ Show Spoiler +
On January 15 2012 03:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town?
Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person.
On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role?
Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is.
No actually they don't. Your only reason for being mayor is that you're a mason and that foolishness trusts you. Given foolishnesses actions so far it's pretty clear he's trolling so that's really not an endorsement. And as for your mason claim, you're no more confirmed than BC is and he's done a lot more than you.
imma quote myself from earlier
I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes.
why?
Heres a scenario for you.
Mafia sees that I out myself as a mason. They see that I am attempting to fubar the use of the mason role completely. Mafia goes "FUUUUUUUUUUUUU" then thinks, wait, maybe we can use this to our advantage. Mafia concocts a scheme to use one of their newer members as a mason and get him elected via his claim. Foolishness could be a red or green and go along with it because he thinks that he can control you?
Or, you are green, do this move and foolishness is red and goes "score and easier person for me to use than bm" and backs you to get you into office. Doing so would make him seem town in your eyes and would gain him a mayor who trusts him. A newbie mayor who would go to him for advice before making his own decisions -_-.
Either situation you could be red or green, and it doesn't matter. A mafia team putting forth a member to get elected on a role that once elected's alignment can only be determined via death, or a town candidate who is controlled like a puppet via the mafia are both good scenarios for them.
scenario is broken because i pm'd foolishness before you outed yourself. I don't see Foolishness as a strong town read. I would lean towards town if a gun was to my head but I still want to hear a lot more from him.
On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere.
Sorry I missed this post.
I pm'd him.
Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1
Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player).
Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason.
You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me?
Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways.
Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement).
Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt.
What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post.
Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth?
Original Message From Foolishness: okay
Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia.
So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future.
I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far.
Original Message From Mattchew: Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt
Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now.
Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that...
I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes
Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post?
Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good.
Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe.
Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim.
Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful.
Original Message From Foolishness: Also, if you don't want to claim I can claim mason for you. Then I can breadcrumb in one of my posts that you are the real mason so you can contact people in the future.
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On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed.
Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies
1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps?
1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3+ Show Spoiler +
fuck forgot to copy paste my extra pms and there are 3 not 2 like i said
me to him
Odds there is a second town mason? I think flamewheel likes pm's so I really don't know, but the risk of BC being mafia and a mason is scary as hell to me if he gets elected
me to him
kk I will post mine soon after
me to him
How do you feel about double lynches?
(I didn't realize that town voted in double lynches at that moment I know this now)
On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote: RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect.
There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through:
On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote: /confirmed
Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee)
kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for.
bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor.
Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote.
Foolishness (for BM) I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples.
risk.nuke Another campaign starting with I am not a very good town.
BM Seems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign
BC He is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience.
sandroba "I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability.
VE I think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.
Meapak The second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this.
It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player.
But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet.
Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion.
You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum.
Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player.
The bolded portion is a flat out lie as well as a cloaked kingmaker.
On January 15 2012 03:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town?
Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person.
Your a new player right? Or relatively so? How would you know if Foolishness was the best town player in the game?
On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere.
Sorry I missed this post.
I pm'd him.
Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1
Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player).
Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason.
You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me?
Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways.
Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement).
Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt.
What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post.
Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth?
Original Message From Foolishness: okay
Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia.
So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future.
I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far.
Original Message From Mattchew: Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt
Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now.
Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that...
I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes
Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post?
Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good.
Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe.
Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim.
Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful.
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On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed.
Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies
1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps?
1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3+ Show Spoiler +
On January 15 2012 03:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town?
Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person.
Your a new player right? Or relatively so? How would you know if Foolishness was the best town player in the game?
On January 15 2012 03:39 Cyber_Cheese wrote: In future, just repost the old quoted stuff and add time-stamps in manually. Yes it's easier to fake and doesn't add much, but the possibility to catch something feigned incorrectly exsists.
I don't want to derail the thread but you are right I should have done that.
On January 17 2012 04:27 rtgICEMAN wrote: At this point i feel like there can be soo many guys suspected as scum, includet me.JayJay's post is rather unusual vague at the end then a realistic post.he says about alot of players then marks sandro as scum.Thought I appreciate his effort for this post, i kinda not agree with its conclusion.I ll keep an eye on GGQ and on lanaia and ill vote someone in the next 12 hours.
On January 24 2012 15:13 Protactinium wrote: Also, everyone who wanted to kill BC/Me/Foolishness after Day 2 -_-
to be fair i would have wanted to kill BC and Foolish before night 1 lol. BC posted incorrectly about the mason role and foolishness talked to much about controlling people and would have voted and let me become mayor.
On January 24 2012 17:30 evantrees wrote: QT was worth the read to me. Also happy I guessed right about bum being a mason, even if he technically got it after. from random notes Butmatlarge mason, wants to start early getting in contact with another, potentially mafia though
Probably favorite post from the obs QT. "honestly I think that scum team has realized how terrible this is going and has decided to bus like everyone playing shitty on their team.
God if foolishness is scum I could see him winning this game by himself"
SOPA demands that you credit me or TL is going down lol
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