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On January 11 2012 16:59 prplhz wrote: TL Mafia Limbo I like this. Motion to confirm "L" stands for Limbo? :D | ||
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RE: BloodyC0bbler I was going to vote for you're mayoral campaign, and than the Mason claim post came out. The current problem I have with it is this. You laid out a lot of scenarios in the following posts explaining what would happen if you turned out flipping either Red Mason or Blue mason, and possible actions that you would have taken along responding to each particular path. My problem is that if you are elected Mayor, the DT is unable to check you, confirming you're Blue/Red alignment. I don't think you would be the Godfather, simply because mafia putting out the Godfather so early would hurt them more than help them. I'm not sure what the thought was behind claiming Mason in the first place however, since I think BC was the leading runner in the Mayor campaign. I'm not sure what to think about it thus far. RE: Macpo Why are you pointing out that you are such a newb? In the post I recall, you really try to drive home the fact that you are a newb and that you wish people pardon you're small mistakes! Take responsibility for you're actions. I feel that you are being wishy-washy. Don't be wishy-washy. RE: Meapek I agree with you're sentiments on Palmar. I also tend to favor you're thoughts that people saying Palmar is scummy as Scummy play. I recall the game Election Mafia, and after reading the Mafia QT after the game, where the mafia didn't want to let Arctocod get an elected role for any reason. I find it suitable that, since Palmar's townplay is so vaunted, they want him ousted as soon as possible. What better way for the scumteam to get him out than a miss-lynch D1? | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote: [/b]I am running for Mayor. I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain. I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught. This is logic. Why should we vote you if you are bad? A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. What is your stance on Mayoral Issues. I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00). The standard obligatory "I suck at scum" I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00) Not selling me, Mattchew. You are explaining reasons why we should vote for you here. But before that, you admit that you aren't the best town player, and that the "scum wouldn't pick you because you're not a good listener." So if you aren't the best town player, why would you even want to be put in as mayor? Obviously the mayor role was designed to have a strong scum-hunting town player since they have an insta-lynch, and they have the protection of the bodyguard's/knowledge of the who bodyguard's are. A. Than you say you are confirmed town. How are you confirmed town? Claiming that you mason'd someone is hardly the right way. B. This is applied to anyone that is placed into the Mayor position, save the mason ability. I don't see how it's that pertinent. C. So you basically are a Mayor with a veteran coach, but than say you aren't going to take their advice. I would much rather have a Mayor in office that is transparent about decisions, and not talking behind closed doors. Why do you feel these players are scum? I personally would like to hear back from Macpo before I make any decisions on his alignment, although, he hasn't said anything since I brought him up earlier. I have never played with Foolishness before, but from what I understand, he is a strong townie player. I don't necessarily understand the supporting two players so abruptly, seemingly out of nowhere, but I guess that it comes from partial meta and partial private convo's - which, I think, should be at least brought to the front. For the mayoral campaign, I originally like the BC, but I feel that after his claim, i'm not sure - i'm quite confused on the matter. I don't think a mafia player would play the card he did, but I don't want to pretend I know why a town player would do it either. The jury is still out on who I want to vote for for Mayor. RE: Blahz0r I didn't see a post from you this entire game, but you decided to vote for Viscera in the voting thread without saying anything in the actual game. Just wondering why? | ||
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There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote: /confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CC Scum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM) I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nuke Another campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BM Seems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BC He is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba "I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VE I think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me. Meapak The second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:05 Mattchew wrote: You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player. You're less of a risk of flipping scum? Wouldn't you know that you were at no risk of flipping scum? | ||
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I am a Town Mason. Reasons I didn't role-claim initially: - I was waiting to see if it was a town majority whether the Mason's should reveal or not. I decided against it because it seemed that too many people we're between claiming and ignoring the Mason's. - I felt that if I Buddied with someone, and they thought I was legitimately scum, or at least anti-town, I wouldn't hear any response from them, and they could just oust me in the town forum. VE just did that. Why I chose VisceraEyes: - I had a town-read from him. I felt that my town-read on him was solid enough to be able to communicate with him. - I believe in his scum-hunting abilities. I usually don't preach meta-based choices, but since the only other game I played with him was Election, and he killed a mafia Godfather the first day he was subbed in, I decided for him. I wanted to have someone to bounce idea off of. I felt VE would be a good choice. Where I will go from here: - I will still extend a Mason link with a town read each cycle. The purpose of it will be to continue with that extra analytic mindset, even if the other person decides not to utilize it. My feeling on it - if they decide to talk, more power to them. If not, fuck it. There is no point in letting the power go to waste. Current Reads: RE: Palmar - I don't think Palmar is a good D1 Lynch. He's too powerful a town player to just cut off Day1, and I think it might be a gambit to survive until Day2 and get some reads on people. Even so, he is probably compiling a list right now on scumreads ect. ect. I don't believe in meta, anyway, since I don't have solid meta on pretty much anyone in this game (MAYBE Sheth. Maybe.) I'd rather judge play based on how people interact in the game we are in now, rather than in a game we played before. RE: Foolishness Don't understand the flip-flop from one 'townie' to the other, promoting their gambit for mayor, when there are more obvious, strong choices as who could influence the town. Why would you settle for "ok" candidate when you can have the "great" candidate. Doesn't make sense. Especially when Foolishness said in the PM "I'm not interested in Mayor." It's almost like they will live until tomorrow. Mason Logs [read from bottom to top]: + Show Spoiler + (From VE to myself) That's up to you. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From Jitsu: Yeah. I don't really know where to jump in TBH. I'm in the middle of typing up a post on Mattchew right now, but meh. If you want to out me, I would actually rather do it myself. I guess the good part is that now you have given me a more town read than before. -.- Hide nested quote - __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From VisceraEyes: You're not outted. Just need advice on how to proceed. But I like how you're clearly active-lurking in-thread. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From Jitsu: ... Sigh. Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'm trying to figure out what I think of BC/Protract. I think one of Foolish/Matt is scum. Beyond that, I need more time and I'm about to go to sleep. We'll talk more soon. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From Jitsu: Right. Also, the only other game I played with you, you killed the Godfather in one day, I believe. So those two combined - yeah, townie read, blah blah. Anyways. I think Palmar should definitly not be a Day One lynch. I'm not really sure if he is town or not, but I think he also might be trying to get by Day One without being shot by the mafia. That's why so many people are jumping on him. My read on Foolishness. Hmmm. Again, I don't have any prior gaming experience from him, so I don't know how his meta-town works. But in one day, he jumps from promoting two possible candidates for mayor (one of which is a newbie town, the other who is despised, I believe, by many players) and than says something along the lines of "I'm not interested in mayor today." Kinda sounds like he will expect to live until tomorrow. Jury is still out on the other players. I'm not too sure on BC at all right now. I liked his campaign, but still haven't read Protact's analysis. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Original Message From VisceraEyes: Well, I guess I'd like some of your reads. You've got a townie read on me, but if you're scum you'd already know that. Can I assume that you've got a scum-read on Foolishness? Reply __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (To VE from myself) Sup son. As the hosts probably told you, I am another Mason. Yeah, i'm reading it. Posted awhile back about how it's all nonsense. It's almost like he's trying to brutally force himself into the position. I haven't played with him, but I would like to think that Foolishness wouldn't want to put a newb player into a power position, especially with the ability to activate a lynch based on his word. I don't like it. Not help with anything in particular, at least not now. I just have a townie vibe from you so wanted to open a line of communication if you wanted to bounce ideas/communicate. Obviously this doesn't exonerate me, or you, from being red. Thought I would at least shoot it off to one of the more vocal players/townie-leaning players at this moment. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ (From VE to myself) Sup bro? Are you reading this nonsense about Mattchew thinking he's "confirmed town"? Unreal. Can I help you with something? | ||
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(1/15 2:52) (From VE to myself) That's up to you. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/15 2:51) Original Message From Jitsu: Yeah. I don't really know where to jump in TBH. I'm in the middle of typing up a post on Mattchew right now, but meh. If you want to out me, I would actually rather do it myself. I guess the good part is that now you have given me a more town read than before. -.- Hide nested quote - __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/15 2:44) Original Message From VisceraEyes: You're not outted. Just need advice on how to proceed. But I like how you're clearly active-lurking in-thread. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/15 2:36) Original Message From Jitsu: ... Sigh. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/14 15:45) Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'm trying to figure out what I think of BC/Protract. I think one of Foolish/Matt is scum. Beyond that, I need more time and I'm about to go to sleep. We'll talk more soon. __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/14 14:54) Original Message From Jitsu: Right. Also, the only other game I played with you, you killed the Godfather in one day, I believe. So those two combined - yeah, townie read, blah blah. Anyways. I think Palmar should definitly not be a Day One lynch. I'm not really sure if he is town or not, but I think he also might be trying to get by Day One without being shot by the mafia. That's why so many people are jumping on him. My read on Foolishness. Hmmm. Again, I don't have any prior gaming experience from him, so I don't know how his meta-town works. But in one day, he jumps from promoting two possible candidates for mayor (one of which is a newbie town, the other who is despised, I believe, by many players) and than says something along the lines of "I'm not interested in mayor today." Kinda sounds like he will expect to live until tomorrow. Jury is still out on the other players. I'm not too sure on BC at all right now. I liked his campaign, but still haven't read Protact's analysis. Thoughts? __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (1/14 14:32) Original Message From VisceraEyes: Well, I guess I'd like some of your reads. You've got a townie read on me, but if you're scum you'd already know that. Can I assume that you've got a scum-read on Foolishness? Reply __________________________________________________________________________________________________ (To VE from myself) (1/14 12:37) Sup son. As the hosts probably told you, I am another Mason. Yeah, i'm reading it. Posted awhile back about how it's all nonsense. It's almost like he's trying to brutally force himself into the position. I haven't played with him, but I would like to think that Foolishness wouldn't want to put a newb player into a power position, especially with the ability to activate a lynch based on his word. I don't like it. Not help with anything in particular, at least not now. I just have a townie vibe from you so wanted to open a line of communication if you wanted to bounce ideas/communicate. Obviously this doesn't exonerate me, or you, from being red. Thought I would at least shoot it off to one of the more vocal players/townie-leaning players at this moment. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ (From VE to myself) (1/14 12:31) Sup bro? Are you reading this nonsense about Mattchew thinking he's "confirmed town"? Unreal. Can I help you with something? Edit'd into the original. Again, read bottom to top. The late time at which I started the conversation can also be explained. I PM'd both host and co-host to let them know that I wanted to link with VE. I didn't want to start PMing until I had received confirmation. RE: Sheth - I'm pretty sure you posted that because of me. VE had said in his "Town Jack" claim that I had mason'd with him. If I didn't claim at that point, I think it would have looked worse than better. RE: Foolish Understandable. I would just assume that you would want to up you're chances of living until the next day, with the innate survival of the mayor. I got ya. [On a side note, in the PM's, I referred to everyone as a generic male. If you are female, I'm sorry. I didn't mean any disrespect.] | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:59 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Am I correct in assuming those time stamps are KST? You should, yes. It's still the 14th where I live. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy shit could people stop blue claiming? If you are blue I don't care if you think you should claim. You shouldn't and if you do you're retarded. Moving on, I am still running for mayor and I will not be withdrawing because aside from BC I do not like any of the current candidates. My lynch would be GGQ. Foolishness in your last post you said you had done an analysis on someone. Please refresh my memory who this was. Also wtf is up with the triple vote on WBG? That look suspicious as hell and I'm not going near that with a 10 foot pole. Wasn't WBG pretty anti-Palmar in anyway and wanted him dead? Than as Palmar starts posting, the votes for WBG blow up. 10 foot pole indeed. | ||
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I am leaning towards L right now. Not sure about Protact. | ||
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On January 15 2012 10:33 Munk-E wrote: Since there are 3 people currently in the running for mayor, (BM, BC and protac) It seems obvious that the mafia would all throw thier support behind one. For many reasons already stated several times, BC seems to be that person, and since we wouldn't want him to hold either position, I am going to vote for bill murray, because he is in danger of losing to BC most. I think both BC and protac are likely town, so those two would be the best two to hold positions, so I will vote BM to keep BC from taking the position of sherrif. ##vote Bill Murray. o.0 | ||
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There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves... kingjames01 BrownBear sandroba igabod (PM'd me saying he wants to be replaced; no reason why) Erandorr (PMed me saying he wants to be replaced; not an acceptable reason why) Protactinium rtgICEMAN Maxella Replacements are being sought after, though I'm sensing modkills. Hmmm. | ||
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On January 16 2012 07:55 supersoft wrote: pff your plan won't happen. I don't have to try harder. What the hell are you thinking? Do you think it's effective if BC discusses his reads with jitsu? What the shit? Thanks bro. -.- Well, I somewhat like the idea of the Mason circle, and if the other mason's agreed to it, I will more than likely go along with it as well to secure the integrity of the system. I would personally leave it up to whomever the Mason chooses to buddy up with, though. If the person that the mason is PM'ing feels that he is being too Scummy, than out him in chat and let the other players decide as well. The person being PM'd can post the logs of the chat, and if the Mason is town and notices that the PM logs were changed, he can post his as well. At that point, I would say both players get killed/lynched. If one person is editing a PM to destroy credibility of the mason he is PMing, I don't see that as particularity pro-town play. I think this is exemplified with pretty much everyone that has been ousted as a Mason so far. So, TL;DR version: Mason A and Player B mason. Player B might think that Mason A is scum. Both players post logs. Town decides for themselves. If edits occur, I think it would indicate one of the two players being mafia. I don't think a Mafia for a Mason would be a good trade, so the likelihood of that happening doesn't seem very beneficial from a scum point of view. Still gives adequate transparency if it's required of the town. RE: Macpo - I had similar feelings of Macpo as before. I feel that he is trying to drive home his newb-play early so that he wouldn't be held responsible for his calls/choices later in the game. So easy to say "Sorry guys, i'm new!" I haven't been able to post my scum tells last post, here they are. Basically, I think we kind of neglect all these players, who are basically hiding. I am not saying this 100% scums; some of them are probably really not here. but I also think it's more than 20% scum in there, we should keep this in mind: - Refallen 2 empty posts. - Munk-E 1 empty post. - Brownbear 4 posts, 4lines. - d3_crescentia 3 posts 3 lines. - igabod 4 posts 4 lines. - rtgICEMAN 4 posts, and no clear position. - Maxella 2 posts. Things like this. He wasn't able to post his scum tells, so when he does, they are all lurkers. So none of the his scum-leaning players have more than 4 posts. Macpo's last post was 'meh,' but i'm still having reservations. Not sure if it's just newbie play or not. But I also have shitty scum reads, I guess. | ||
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On January 16 2012 08:45 Nisani201 wrote: @Jitsu, if logs are given to the town, why not just have the whole conversation in the thread? That seems pointless. Because it still allows the mason's to form a network of communication, and still holds both players responsible for things said in PM's, rather than "Shit, a break formed in the circle of Mason's. Shut it down." | ||
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On January 16 2012 09:47 kingjames01 wrote: We should be holding BC accountable for Palmar's lynch. BC has been engaging in discussions with sandroba behind the scenes. Because of this, they have formed some sort of agreement. I can infer that the choice to lynch Palmar was also a topic of discussion between them. We should scrutinize their relationship so that we can judge for ourselves whether BC or sandroba was the spearhead of this lynch. BloodyC0bbler: be accountable for your lynch. Summarize for us what you and sandroba have been discussing. Why should we have it summarized? Wouldn't posting the logs be better? Since there is discussion of all the Mason's doing it, why not have all the Mason's do it? | ||
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On January 16 2012 10:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Masons can only talk to someone for 1 cycle when they mason them, and never again. So, they can't harass someone for three days straight, like you want them to. The longest they can try to get information out of someone is one cycle, which is barely long at all. Making a circle lets them talk to the same people for multiple days, though. Three real days = one game day. | ||
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The only thing I have against you're case is the very beginning. Remember that Palmar had called Ciry pretty quickly as well, and he was right. It's strong otherwise. However... RE: Macpo Yes, it's tunneling. Yes, I will reiterate that I feel that the guy is mafia. I went back and looked at his posts again. He's too well-informed to be a newb, yet says he's newb. I'm going to sit back seeing the little train forming on Macpo, and re-evaluate. Possible he is true a newb and not used to playing Forum mafia...but I just need to be really convinced otherwise. The one saving grace is Protact calling him Mafia, but more on that below. RE: Sheth Already blew it for today, mang. Sorry. RE: WBG I'll wait to see what you say about Protact. You we're really convinced me at the end of the Day yesterday, and I'd like to see you post all you're information about you're thoughts. I had pretty fair feelings that Palmar was acting townish. RE: Sandroba I have reservations about Sandroba. Two things that stick out to me are what was brought up in his PM's with BC, about the switching back and forth from Palmar within 15 lines. I don't think the Mason mass claim is anything to look at earlier. Than in the thread, he goes from saying that he doesn't want anyone to die to wanting to kill him in the PM. Just a little iffy too me. Right now, I'm having negative vibes from both Macpo and Sandroba. | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:21 Foolishness wrote: I'm referring to Macpo...you know the guy who myself and Incog called out on day 1 and then came in with a hilariously bad defense post, and has since gone afk? I'll bet you money that Macpo will be back within the next page to defend himself again. | ||
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Have you guys mason'd someone this round? | ||
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##Vote: Macpo It's pretty obvious i'm not the only one suspicious of him, and as of right now, he's my closet thing on my sheet to a scum. | ||
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On January 17 2012 20:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote: VE, I'm not sure. It was either a really clever scum move, or a really dumb town one. I'm leaning on the latter. Kenpachi is an unreadable lurker at the moment. He was this useless in Steamship too as a VT. Kingjames, I haven't really considered him often, I have a relatively weak town read. He's prodding the elected officials, which I like. You and Echelon fall more or less into the same bucket, I've kinda seen your posts here and there, but not really considered them. I don't think there's enough content on either of you to come to any conclusions yet. Oh yeah, as scum I'd never had more fun in my life than that mislynch poor guy But alright- ##Unvote ##Vote Macpo What? Are you willing to vote to lynch a person you think is townie? On January 17 2012 19:45 Adam4167 wrote: Oh come on, that was fun ^^ Lets consolidate on Macpo for now, deal with Chaosquo at a later date. ##Vote: Macpo Same to you - Do you think Macpo is scum? Why? On January 17 2012 22:34 Toadesstern wrote: Ok I'm awake / re. As mentioned, sandroba has not enough supporters so I'm switching votes. I still don't see how sandroba is NOT fitting foolish's analysis as well but I won't get you on sandroba at this point so I'd might just help you lynch macpo and lynch you all afterwards if this turns out to be wrong. Ok, so let's review. You tunnel Sandroba endlessly. You make a post that's longer than any other post in you're eight pages of filter, to push Sandroba's filter. When it's fairly obvious, you jump off the bandwagon and say that you will lynch Macpo. In turn to agreeing to lynch Macpo, it seems you are essentially try to rid yourself of all of responsibility of the lynch. Why? To not draw attention? What is you're reasoning for doing this? What if it turns out to be red? Do we have the go-ahead to kill you outright? Give a good reason why you are voting for Macpo. On January 17 2012 23:26 jaj22 wrote: Could be a coincidence, but Macpo appears to be following this advice to the letter. What are you insinuating? | ||
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On January 17 2012 19:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Oh yeah, as scum I'd never had more fun in my life than that mislynch  poor guy But alright- ##Unvote ##Vote Macpo I might have read it wrong. Can you elaborate? | ||
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On January 18 2012 01:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I just realised, you conveniently left out the context. No wonder I don't remember thinking Macpo was town. Ohhhhhh, nevermind. I didn't know you were referencing back to another game. I thought you we're saying something else. My bad. Also, leave the bolded out. It achieves nothing. | ||
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GJ town. Going to bed. | ||
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[had too] VE: in the interest of time, who else accused you of being scum? Just wondering. I'll go back and look if its not on the top of your head. | ||
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On January 19 2012 20:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd like to hear Jitsu's take on the night-kills, actually. Jitsu what are your thoughts on what happened overnight? On January 19 2012 12:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: L the Mafia Godfather (would check as Medic) has been killed. Liquid`Sheth the Vigilante has been killed. Adam4167 the Vigilante has been killed. Usually I don't look at night kills; it's too WIFOM to really garner that much information, I think. As far as that goes, though, I think it should take a benefit to look at OpZ again. He was starting to garner some interest in his play, than when he was called out, he showed up, than disappeared again. I haven't seen him in awhile. Sheth posted a huge thing on him. Sup OpZ? Where you been? Not sure of BM's claim. If he really is the Mad Hatter, where is the negative to him waiting one more night to plant his last bomb? Death triggers his KP, so why not just lynch him tomorrow and focus our attention on other players? | ||
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On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote: @Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC? Hmmm..Are you suggesting he is Mafia? Or that he is just going to kill two of those three, willy-nilly? Mafia has no Mad Hatter role. | ||
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Toad, I have a question. Hypothetical question; you are the Mad Hatter. You have two bombs. Who would you plant them on right now and why? One thing that bugs me. It seems like you are purposefully trying to take as much credit as possible to buy town-cred by saying all you're reads we're accurate. From a town point of view: I could give less of a shit who gets credit for a kill in a game as long as the mafia player is dead. I was suspicious of Macpo pretty damn early, but everyone assumed there was a slew of over players involved in it, so I gave zero fucks. From a Mafia point of view: "Hmmmm, if I can accuse alot of people early, than I can look more town if they eventually do get lynched! Yeah!" Do you think this reasoning if flawed? Do you think you are acting opposite of this? Also, BC - did you use you're mason ability yet? I really need to talk to you, but I already blew mine. | ||
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What do I think of BM? I think the jury is still out. Part of me thinks some of his actions are town, and part of me thinks some of his actions are scummy. There are things on both sides of the fence, and I find it hard it determine one or the other. One thing in particular that struck me was he said that he simply wants to wait until tomorrow to plant the second bomb. And than his most recent post almost dictates that he is looking FORWARD to it. But when I was talking to him, he said he liked to get closer to LYLO and build cases along to the way and than come out with all the information at the end. I don't know exactly why someone would want to wait until Lynch or Lose. When I was playing football, I hating winning games 13-10. I would much rather have a large, decisive victory. Why would you want to cut it so close in a game of Mafia, where one miss-lynch loses the game? Build cases and end the game earlier. Bill? | ||
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LOL meant Mason. Cool you're shit. | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also jitsu, do not out the pm where bm outed the bgs, that doesn't need to be in the thread. Of course not. I'm not that bad. Lol | ||
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One last thing before I hit the sack. The Mafia had four KP last night when the hits took effect. Targets were, supposedly, Sheth, Adam, VE, and Toad. What is keeping them from doublestacking Sheth, one on Adam, VE, and having Toad come out to "pretend" he was target'd, but was saved due to Veteran. I don't know why the Mafia would target him for a hit, especially since he was under such heavy scrutiny in the first place. Again, from a mafia point of view, just let him live and take a lynch with them. This is fairly WIFOM induced, but it's a gut feeling I can't get rid of. That, coupled with the fact he's claiming accurate reads all game and that everything he has done was right, just irks me. It's like he's buying town credit by feinging correct calls. Anyone else feel the same? Sound off. I'll be back in the morning. Outtie. | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:38 Toadesstern wrote: can't sleep so I'm back \o/ Yeah makes sense, however take into consideration that pretty much everyone keeps telling me my reads are of no use this game, I'm bad and I'm useless. I want to prove that I'm not. Easy as that. That's not a town tell, it's not a scum tell, it's a ego-tell if you want :p I want to prove that I'm not useless, that's what I'm trying. I have just as big ego, if not bigger, than you do. But there is a big difference between telling people you are good at scum-hunting, and actually being good at scum-hunting. | ||
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On January 20 2012 22:22 Jackal58 wrote: If on the off chance BM flips town I'd have no problem hanging you. On January 20 2012 22:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Wait, you specifically asked him to? If so, can you prove all logs between you two? Use logic, bro's. Yes, I asked him. There was reasoning behind it. Saying you want to hang me before even hearing any part of the idea is pretty stupid, I feel. On January 21 2012 02:13 glurio wrote: I didn't mason anyone on day 1, was busy reading the thread. Tried to mason with BC on day 2 he never answered. + Show Spoiler + To: BloodyC0bbler [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Mason Date: 1/17/12 19:31 Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now? So there really isn't anything i can post yet. Did anyone else think "Mafia Mason" at this post? | ||
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2. In my mind, the Mafia Mason would mason someone last. The idea behind this is because it would take time for the Scum team to decide on who was going to play the part of the mason. He said he didn't Mason anyone Day one because he was too busy reading the thread? Right...so busy reading the thread, you are able to make choices and decisions based on what you've read. I can understand that from the massive amount of analysis in you're filter. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote: So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now. Ok. Initially, BC and BM would be the only two people to know the identities of the Bodyguards. If the Mafia had replaced both Bodyguard's and killed BC and BM in the same night, the identities of the two Mafia Bodyguard's would remain a secret, and it would have died with our Mayor/Sheriff. I asked to have the names of the Bodyguard's revealed to me so that, if that were the case, I would be able to identify the names of the two mafia bodyguards, essentially trading two-for-two. At the same token, it would be fairly obvious to deduce if I were mafia, since, more than likely, the Bodyguard's would be killed the following nights, and BM would be able to identify me, as well as have evidence to that fact. I would be pretty screwed. I was hoping to keep this fact under wraps, so that I wouldn't be targeted for having extra knowledge, and would be able to bring it out as a simple back-up if the whole chain of events worked in order. I think the benefit's out-weighed the negatives. Also, I thought it would be effective since I wouldn't be known to the general group to have this special knowledge, since this was done in means beyond the thread. Obviously, this isn't the case anymore. Can we end the bullshit now? Foolishness, you are here. I think BC agrees with me. What do you think of Glurio? | ||
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Quoted from C_C So why did you not provide the reasoning yet exactly? If it was good reasoning, you would have shared it by now. I'm pretty sure that that statement is putting my motives in question. That is the [third?] time someone has questioned me regarding it. Obviously some people think I have ulterior agenda's for asking, and I want to clear it up now. That, or they are trying to throw suspicion at me. Enough. | ||
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Since when is the length of time it takes me to post an indication of my Alignment? The PM's are really staggered. Below are the pertinent ones that involve me explaining the idea. Some are under different Subjects, but below are the ones that gave him my idea, him responding. Bill can confirm it as well. RE: Vader No, he never claimed it. RE: Lynches I don't know to vote for for the lynch. I'm starting to get into the mindset that GGQ might be scum, and I really want to put my other vote on glurio. It might be an unwarranted tunnel, but I have a red tint to his gameplay. + Show Spoiler + (From me to BM) Let me give you my plan. It my help you make you're decision. You have the name of the two Bodyguard's that we're ordered to protect you. In short, I want you to give me those names. Let me explain: I will know the names of the two Bodyguards. If they are both town, they do their job and protect you. If they are mafia, obviously both you and BC will die together, the two people that know their identities. We [read: Town] will have no idea who they are and they will disappear, and we will lose our two elected positions. However, if you give me the names, I can bring their identities out at that time, and they will be lynched. What is preventing you from thinking I am Mafia? Nothing. Save you're analysis. If you deem me town, I urge you to think of this. Say the two Bodyguard's are killed the next day; it would lean stronger to the fact that I might be Mafia, but I urge you to consider my history/ect. I am not Mafia. I am Town. I thought about this plan and I think it's a beneficial play that the Mason's could do, instead of being "totally useless to town." Please think about this plan, logically, and get back to me. Don't immediately think this is a Mafia ploy to kill the two Bodyguard's. If it was, it's trading two for one. Not a very good trade, Mafia-wise. Think. About. It. ~Jitsu _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ (From BM to Me) I already messaged the other mason them the fact he hasn't messaged me, after masoning me, makes him clearly town to me He hasn't outted AT ALL that I've seen I trust him more than you, sorry. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ (From me to BM) That's fine. Doesn't matter whether it's me or him, as long as you have him under a stronger town-read. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ **From this point, I gain his trust by trying to figure out if BC/OpZ are Jack's instead of Mason's. Bill says I townslipped because of Jackhunting, and that I must be town. Than he sends me a message of the BG's.** Bill can also confirm this. | ||
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On January 21 2012 12:36 wherebugsgo wrote: cause soft-defending is more indicative of scum than hard defending. If you hard defend someone you get a fuck ton of attention when you're wrong. Bum is just kinda sliding around doing nothing. he was dead either way, I wanted to ensure he flipped because I've been wrong quite a bit this game. At any rate I reassured myself that my meta reads aren't all shit, so at least that's good. We should definitely look into the people who voted KJ through the day for bad reasons, though. This group is bound to have scum in it because they could have been trying to keep sandro alive. Could it be possible Mafia was pushing it as well to waste out double lynch? Maybe we were onto a second solid candidate and they wanted that bandwagon to roll because they A. knew he wasn't coming back and B. wanted us to not have a decent second vote. | ||
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On January 21 2012 23:11 Jackal58 wrote: Drunk Jackal apparently has different reads than sober Jackal. LOL. I actually laughed at this line. | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:44 Toadesstern wrote: so far noone said a thing about meapak except for you and me. Was that a scumslip of yours or are yu still obsessed about me? I'm still obsessed about you. I still don't see you as town. | ||
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Also, I don't know why you are trying to get the names of any of anything p4NDemik. Outing any of the Bodyguard's is a bad idea. We've been over this. | ||
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On January 23 2012 01:34 p4NDemik wrote: Jitsu we are most likely going to kill one of our elected officials today anyways. Moreover Cwave claims BC declared one of his bg's as possible mafia and you confirm this fact. If he thinks this bodyguard is possible mafia he should want him dead and should give up is name. This is strong logic, this is not bluehunting. This is scumhunting. Don't be confused. We didn't say anything about the BG's being mafia. We said that BM gave us fake BG names. Or am I not following you. On January 23 2012 01:46 supersoft wrote: We should lynch glurio today. I posted a case on him earlier. He is definetely scum. + after that pandemic will stop to annoy me :-) I agree with this, although he thinks I am scum. If not today, soon. | ||
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The names Bill Murray gave us were the same. One of the names that was posted by BloodyCobbler was one of the "Bodyguards" Bill Murray gave us. From that point, only assumptions can be made, because the idea of complete knowledge lies only with the people that 100% know the identity of the real Bodyguard's. This whole thing is fishy, though. | ||
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On January 23 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote: jitsu asked? BM, i want all your pm traffic. censor the bg names please. We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact. Not sure what to make of the recent BM post. He's lied several times this game, and it's stuff that could potentially hurt town, I feel. I'm not sure if this is his last gambit to not get lynched, but he's reasoning behind the MH claim *kinda* makes sense. My only thing is that a lot of what i'm reading is "Bill being Bill." I hate this meta talk, even though it's a huge part of TL Mafia, and since I don't know Bill's meta at all, I don't know what to think. I would say we should delay his lynching, but than, lies upon lies upon lies will unravel and it seems they are starting to do that now. So undecided, it's not funny. I would still like to see glurio dead. I've been pretty vocal about it and won't cease, either. | ||
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On January 24 2012 03:20 supersoft wrote: “We've been over this. Why the sudden revelation now? C_C got on my case about it earlier, pretty hard in fact.“ actually i am really not over this. I think if you flip red, BC and BM are confirmed town for me. Cool. What's your reasoning behind it? | ||
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On January 24 2012 04:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: what are your other reads? Long as you are here might as well explain conclusions or the like that you have come to. And he's gone. | ||
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On January 24 2012 07:43 Toadesstern wrote: and about solid reasons about BC: Well what about the fact that you lynched 2 townies so far? What happens if BM flips green? A green hattrick? We probably not going to get someone else lynched but if that happens you're going to hang. What about the fact that you've done nearly nothing for town so far? Sure you're mason and have important stuff to do in pm-land but that's also a nice excuse isn't it? What about the fact that you said early on that we won't lynch someone today but BC (if I recall correctly here) and for the rest of the day you've been standing next to us, doing nothing but watching the thread? Sure that's what a townie does. What about all your talk with foolish and protact? Am I the only one who thinks that you're desperatly trying to get towncred? Like you really HAVE TO point out that you're so protown? I'm confused. Are you saying you want to kill him because he was wrong about lynches and is not playing well, or because you think he is scum? | ||
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On January 24 2012 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote: JayJay - it's not based on setup alone - it's based on the timing of his claim, the information he's provided and meta. The setup discussion is just a means to get people to look at the REST of my case, which admittedly is spread out over the course of a few posts. Maybe you can enlighten me as to why townHiro would refuse to out his reports the night after he claims loudly in-thread? Foolishness is new - but the longer he stays alive, the more suspicious he becomes because he's a strong vet. Same with BC. At the moment, my read on Foolish is based on the fact that he's playing the game almost exclusively out-of-thread and the fact that he put BM up for mayor. My read on him is pretty dependent on other factors, because I have almost nothing to base it off in-thread. I'm not interested in lynching glurio. He seems newish town to me. I'll try to convince you. Not right now, but I'll take the challenge. Albeit, there isn't much to analyse, but I will do what I can. Also, Toad is rising on the red-ranking. The Anti-BC talk is going pretty strong, and I think his last post really hit a note for me. Toad talks about how BC would be on the chopping block if Bill flips town. RE: Toad Why would he be on the chopping block? Do you want to lynch him in an eye-for-an-eye? What happens if BC flips green, do we kill you too? You don't lynch a player because they call out another player, analyse their posts/play, push for a lynch, and then they flip green. That's stupid reasoning. That player handles one Vote. Don't blame that one person for everyone else derping around the thread and not being able to come up with their own logical reasoning for voting for someone, and just sheeping onto a bandwagon. To reiterate, we're in the business of killing red, not killing sub-par green play. That being said, I think Jayjay? said it before. I don't see what bonus we get for taking 90% of the day to talk about one player when we end up not doing anything at the end of the day. It makes no sense that we would spend so much time talking about the alignment of a player and than make no action to kill him at the end of the day, especially after so much smoke has been blown in our face regarding so many different parts of this game already. I ran into Munk-E on the ladder yesterday. Not sure if he is going to come back. He said he had "shit to do" so he was pretty non-committal about this game. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote: Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second Macpo Toadesstern rgTheSchworz Jackal58 GiygaS Munk-E EchelonTee Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles Ciryandor kitaman27 lul the rest of the names don't look particularly good either. Maybe at least one more red in there. Just helps solidify my take on Toad. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:07 Toadesstern wrote: LOOL Nervous giggle. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:12 Toadesstern wrote: you haven't given me a single reason why you think I am mafia, same goes for wbg. VE thinks I'm mafia because I did not believe his claim because of that random pattern+ I did not know you can't RB vets, which was a huge deal for me because that explains why mafia did not RB him. But yeah sure, lynch the guy who lynched macpo, made everyone voted Sandroba and lynched BM. Other than the fact that you purposefully try to take credit for Red kills? Try to shove suspicion away from Bill Murray (also voting for him in as Sheriff) and discredit BC endlessly? I just looked back three pages out of 19 in you're filter. It all seems forced. Stop looking at shit you think you should take credit for and actually do legit scum-hunting please. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:21 Toadesstern wrote: oh come on screw you. People like VE and Jitsu are actually believing what you're saying... You think it's going to be helpful when we try to get opz lynched tomorrow and CC, VE and jitsu are voting me instead? Nervous aggression. I think OpZ is mafia too. Infact, the three reds I have are Glurio, OpZ, and you. We also have a double lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:24 wherebugsgo wrote: This is 100% true though, Toad. It's actually almost entirely the reason you look shifty. At this point ofc I seriously doubt you're scum, since by process of elimination there are like 5 or 6 people who are more worthy of a lynch than you. Anyway Jitsu, of the players remaining which 3 are most likely scum to you? I feel like opz and BB are like almost 100% scum. Kenpachi probably is too cause BM was like "wtf did I say Kitaman? I meant kenpachi!" Too be honest, BrownBear would probably be a decent enough lynch as well. I think i'm a biased opinion right now due to BrownBear being mafia because of Bill Murray telling me he was a Bodyguard, so trying to look at it from an objective standpoint is hard to do since i've been looking at it from a subjective standpoint this entire game. I posted my three reds right now. I still think Glurio is mafia, for reasons listed prior. I think OpZ is mafia, but that's part bandwagon and part gut feeling. There's been a lot of analysis on him and I think it's all pretty good case analysis. I still think Toad is mafia. It's a tunnel, but I think it's red. I don't see how the fact that Super was telling you to continue tunneling BC clears you of anything, Toad. Looking back, I don't really see that much presence on a BC bandwagon except for you "faking" it. You could just use that whole conversation between you and Super as a Get Out Of Lynch card. He was the one talking, you were the one agreeing. If anything, you could have told you're Mafia buddies to not jump on the wagon in you're QT to prevent yourself or your friends from getting snagged - that at least explains why no one really got that wagon moving. Definitely not Occam's Razor theory. You're still leaning red, in my viewpoint. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:34 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Have any scum masons flipped? Perhaps it's mason hunting season? It's possible that the Mafia Mason never shot his ability out. I think before we start Mason hunting, we should look heavily at Glurio and OpZ. It doesn't specify that only one person on the Mafia team could be a Mason. | ||
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Who did you check all game, and what did they return as. You're here. Answer it. | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:42 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Something about that suggests he's mafia wanting to GG to me. The way it's posed more as a question than a statement. I thought the same thing, C_C. | ||
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On January 24 2012 13:12 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and because I did answer that one: I think "confirming" 3 people is pretty good. meapak should be pretty green giving what he sad, same with BC and slardar only looks worse than he did before. We're in the business of finding and lynching scum. Not finding people we think are town. The only reason I would look for town players is process of elimination scum. | ||
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1. Bill Murray fucking owned me in the Mason PM's. He mind raped me so hardcore that I actually thought BC was mafia for a bit when he said Brownbear was on his lynch list. Than I mason'd with BC and I got my head straight. That was why I was so reluctant to lynch Bill. Than after I saw him flip Red and looked back on all the PM's...well, hindsight is 20/20...Fuck me. 2. It's hard as shit to keep up with every single person in a 50 player game. There are so many posts that's is damn near impossible to remember what everyone is saying all the time, thank God for filters. That being said, I think I still played like absolute shit save saying I was suspicious of Macpo early on in the game. Other than that, I was pretty convinced of OpZ, and I had Bum leaning slightly null-red. But none of that matters. 3. I thought that my gambit with Bill was a good idea in theory, and, in fact, I was looking at mason'ing BC a day early to confirm that the two names BM gave me we're correct. I ended up mason'ing with Cwave and doing the same thing, after I noticed Brownbear in BC's lynch candidates. That is the reason for doing that. If anyone has any opinions/things I could improve on, please let me know and feel free to critique it in the thread. Sorry for being a sucky-Mason town. I did what I could. Thanks a lot to Flamewheel and jcarlson for hosting the game. Was a lot of fun! Also, @Flame, I thought that if we mason'd with someone, we were able to talk to them for the two days and night cycle, and not have to mason someone different at the switch of each. It actually confused the shit out of me, that's why I didn't mason at night and only mason'd in the day-time. Sorry about that, mang. GG guys. Critique as much as you want! | ||
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On January 24 2012 15:54 Incognito wrote: Over thinking things is a symptom of mafia. That's for sure. | ||
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On January 24 2012 19:45 Jackal58 wrote: Wow. Game is over and I'm alive. That doesn't happen unless I'm scum. GG all. Scum slip. Vig this fool.  @Meapek, really liked how you broke down the roles people play in the meta-game and how they work. Really interesting. | ||
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