EPThad to mafia wiki that:
[The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum". ]
Who did I attack? Even more so, I defended WBG last post.
Or did I get the term wrong
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had to mafia wiki that: [The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum". ] Who did I attack? Even more so, I defended WBG last post. Or did I get the term wrong | ||
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On January 19 2012 04:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote: No no, I don't mean you, I mean the people attacking Toad sorry, you should have specified that as I said, bugs is listed as town in my books... and why wouldn't they attack me in the slightest, when I did the same thing? To much speculation imo. | ||
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toad as long as you have just few votes on you, you're fine. Redo the case when people want to see your head. | ||
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On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend. This is no accusation whatsoever! just a new player question! is it good to distribute medics? because if I were scum, I'd probably not shoot them anymore. While you achieved to save those two lifes, the chance of a medic safe decreases, because medics will (likely) protect them (maybe they'd do anyway). So in what situations is it good to say things like that? Seriously, not arguing with your reasoning here, rather curious. Thanks | ||
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As a general rule, normal townies should not attempt to direct blue roles or try to find out who is blue and who is not. Town power roles work better if the mafia are uncertain of what the blue roles will do. It is not uncommon for the mafia to have anti-blue roles such as roleblockers, medics, framers, etc. Therefore, if the mafia has a general idea that the medic will protect X, or the DT will check Y, they are free to mess with those actions if they feel it to be necessary. Do not make medic lists check, check, check. yay for making you look even more mafia to me BC | ||
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On January 19 2012 07:47 risk.nuke wrote: BC, are you dumb or scum, a 50 man game and you want to limit the protection to two potentially strong townies when their alignment isn't even confirmed. Medics, ignore the shit out of BC. This is my idea instead. Medics. Go with your own gut. Who do you think will likely be targeted by the mafia? & Who could be wise to keep alive? In my opinion every medic should basicly make up a small list with people who fulfills one or both of these criteria. And pick OR random a name from there. Furthermore the town should agree on two people and have Bill Murray wifom incarnate between them. Obviously that means this medics, if these names are on your list you exlcude them from your list this night. The point is to potentially block kills and frighten the mafia to target the weak townies because the strong townies could have protection. Though I tend to generally agree to this plan, I am afraid this plan has the fatal flaw that our sheriff is red and mafia will know whos gonna be jailed... the part where I agree: medics don't focus on two people | ||
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On January 20 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote: That is, what specifically is the most suspicious aspect of his play. To clarify. Please. lately he's been posting this On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend. which I learned is a scum move. for older things, my filter will help. although some reads changed, the BC parts stay. Someone pointed out earlier that he found some scum? Can he show me where? Also, guys, BM is scum and falseclaiming. And I say why: a) I don't see why you would let yourself vote as sheriff if you're a mad hatter. You actually want to die at some point. So why hand yourself in. b) There is no way he has a scum read on both protact and foolishness (on day 2!). This is straight out saying the best scumhunters yet are scum. Which makes no sense as town. Even if you think they're scum, you probably place your bombs some place else. c) "Oh I failed to submit". Yea right. d) "I failed you as a sheriff" indeed e) all this stuff he did before "CC is confirmed scum"; jail desaster laiana, talking shit, see my filter for a little more. HE NEEDS TO DIE. ##Vote: Bill Murray Even in the highly unlikely very worst case he flips town and he blows up foolishness and protact, we'd at least have a confirmation that BC is scum. This case is bad, but there is still a benefit. Why is everybody abandoning GGQ? I still like his case and would like to lynch him. We would learn a lot about sandro and chaos too ##Vote: GGQ. This vote may change though. Finally, no doubly lynch imo. High risk, little reward. | ||
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On January 20 2012 03:07 Toadesstern wrote: But I want to lynch for information so badly  I'm not even talking about you, it's still about Sandroba. I'm either spot on and people are not trusting me for a reason (= safe sandroba/chainsaw-defence) or I am the town moron this game who's all like "herpaderp, Annul dayvigged a townie, therefore he has to be a townie himself, herpaderp!". I'm dying inside and want to know what's going on. So far my 3 choices are either you (because I kind of trust protact or want to know if I can trust him), BM and Sandroba (because I trust myself and want to know what's going on). Needless to say that Sandroba is the only one I'm having an easy time to put my vote on. You got some drawbacks and BM might end up being town (just like you) but he's our sheriff. That'd be pretty bad. But yeah I'll read your filter and tell you tomorrow what I think about it (19:00 in ger, leaving in 1hour). Voting you because I trust or wan to trust protact isn't exactly a good reason to vote someone so I'll have to check that. may I suggset lynching the good sir GGQ for information AND catching scums? Sandro made the original D2 case on him and was the first to vote him, iirc. Plus chaos softdefend. we might catch either GGQ and chaos and reestablish sandro. Or sandro looks worse than ever before. But I guess the first option is more likely... I'd agree that he really makes a townish appearance lately, though. | ||
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On January 20 2012 03:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So, he said he only had 1 bomb out. He said to keep him alive on this. Reading his filter he does not state who is one bomb is on. So we already know if he is lynched today that even if his bomb is on one of those 2 players that 1 will live. However it is interesting that to confirm my alignment you are for the carpet bomb killing of 3 other players. Two of which are actively analyzing and catching reds. Massive FoS on this. Really, BC? I WANT to blow up three players? yea that I totally suggest that I think that would be good and I want that. Way to put words in my mouths. "Even in the highly unlikely very worst case he flips townand he blows up foolishness and protact, we'd at least have a confirmation that BC is scum. This case is bad, but there is still a benefit." Protact and Foolish are MVPs right now. As I point out in this very post. "both protact and foolishness (on day 2!). This is straight out saying the best scumhunters yet are scum." I want to lynch BM because of various cases on him and the information I state above. | ||
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On January 20 2012 02:59 EchelonTee wrote: @jay what do you think of Protact's assessmentof GGQ; he thinks GGQ is town because of his apologetic post. Yea that seemed odd to me. There is so little to defend him and this post doesn't do shit as well. To me, it looked like a last effort to at least get shot instead of being lynched and have his scum team in a minimal way. I agree with hydra on most parts, but that didn't convince me at all. so I keep voting GGQ and I suggest you do the same as he posted nothing to reestablish him | ||
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On January 20 2012 04:10 kingjames01 wrote: I respect your mafia play and I know that you are attempting to draw me into an extended conflict and ruin any chances we have to actually scum-hunt. Because of this, I will concede your twisted interpretation of my play without engaging you directly on that front. However, I need to point out to everyone that BloodyC0bbler is trying to force me to make excuses. I make none. But, I will counter you, BC, on this point: what will you have gained when I don't flip red? Where do you go next? My final assertion to the Town is as follows: I have been attempting to draw a hit during the Night. I have been a continued voice of reason rather than a seeder of dissension. I have pointed out logical inconsistencies between words and actions. I have ensured that if I were to be shot at night, that my suspects will be known. I don't need to be the loudest or the most active player, as long as my presence cannot be erased easily. In essence, my game plan all along has been to force the mafia to silence me. It is my duty and honour to soak up a shot so that our scum hunters and power roles can continue to work unfettered. Factor that into your analysis of me. Now that it is obvious that the mafia is attempting to mislynch me today rather than to shoot me at night I must change tacks and point out that my actions have all been pro-Town. Indeed, I am Town-aligned. That is what matters here. Vote for p4NDemik. shouldn't blueclaiming be a meassure of last resort? chillax. you got a few votes on you, there's some other candidates and BM is virtually dead. if you're really town, you already gave scum a minor victory, just cause you freaked out... | ||
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Loosely based on a true story….err…I mean that case here: On January 16 2012 06:12 GiygaS wrote: Before I begin, I was definitely leaning town on him until now, where my opinion of him has changed. He seemed very pro-town, and scumhunting at the beginning, but slowly, he degraded, let me show you how. Great post. Great post again. Now we're getting somewhere. Notice that this is a contradiction on his part, as he himself uses his role to put himself in a spot for election. Yay! Neutrality. BTW, one post later (in his filter), he decides that mass claim would be a good idea. Another contradiction. For those that didn't know, he was one of the first to attack Palmar based on meta, and even made it part of his campaign to lynch him. He then changes his opinion AGAIN when questioned. He goes from: my campaign is lynching him, to not the best D1 lynch, to yeah, let's fucking lynch him. Yeah bitches, he doesn't just accuse those who accuse him, he tries to daykill them. Oh yeah. ...yes it is. This would waste his role completely. I'm going to feel really bad for saying this... But I can't tell if you're being genuine, or you're just trying to cater to emotions. Reminder that I'm only saying this because I need to be as objective as possible in Mafia. >.< Finally, his slightly spammy play (6 pages already, and a lot of it is just discussing flavor of the page shit). Have u skipped it? Go read it. This case was made by GiygaS shortly before he deceased. Unfortunately, it got buried because Wiggles started his well-intended Mason circle plan. He also got called out in the same night by kita, who was also shot. (I know, I know, WIFOM, I’ll shut up) His jack claim was balantly stupid, trying to “prove it” is even stupider because of it’s two times only use. And only to recap this post is what the “daykill” entirely was about: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 04:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Mayor, I honestly have no idea. I was pretty close to going for Mattchew after he explained how he got to choosing Foolishness. I suppose BC doesn't seem like the bad choice people make him out to be, I feel like he's explained his plan enough. Lynch... Probably VisceraEyes or Risk.Nuke, for starting a mayorial campaign and giving up on it. “Probably VisceraEyes or Risk.Nuke, for starting a mayorial campaign and giving up on” Wait what, how does this justify a daykill by any means, without any accusations beforehand whatsoever?? If you’re town, you don’t handle stuff this way. And if you do, don’t blueclaim at the same time. Bullshit. Don’t believe that it was actually this OMGUS? Look at the posts before his daykillclaim pages 56-57-58. No indication of anything at all. Then boom goes the dynamite. He continues to make a case out of the OMGUS here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=69#1364 But you can just sense that it’s OMGUS. If you don’t believe me, examine this case. Speaking of OMGUS: On January 19 2012 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Watch Us! BC has spent all day with Protact in PMs…and the only thing he's done since then has been to direct the medics to two players - out of forty-some. Has there been any fruits of their labors? Hopefully we find out during D3. If not, BC is playing us false. WATCH HIM! BM surprised everyone D2 with his choice of incarceration. Lanaia? Really? What was the reason again? Oh that's right - to lower scum KP when that wasn't even possible. Oh wait…it was to keep her from roleblocking. He also scumslipped that there are 2 mafia masons. He's scum. I say lynch him, but if you're unable to do that, WATCH HIM! Sandroba spent most of D1 trolling in spite of being a lynch candidate. Considered Protact's lynch choice of Ciry to be "the best thing to hit the thread" in spite of it being pretty weak at the time. Protact insists that scum wouldn't drudge up buried analysis - I say that Sandroba absolutely would. If you can't lynch this one, WATCH HIM! Scamp has spent the majority of the game criticizing others' play. My problem with this is that his play has been nothing to write home about. His advice is "Stop relying on meta." My advice is WATCH HIM! Lanaia continues to be wishywashy about everything and everyone. Force her to commit to reads and WATCH HER! Lynch Us! Jackal has spent most of the game doing…………suddenly got a hair up his ass to lynch me for……………..and that's all he's done. LYNCH HIM! JayJay has wanted to lynch me since my retard-claim D1. But when discussion about me died, so did JayJay's suspicion of me. He seems to only be suspicious of who's the most suspicious at the time. LYNCH HIM! Kenpachi….is Kenpachi. His one-liners are not helping town and serve only to keep him from being mod-killed. LYNCH HIM! He OMGUS jackal because of this ONE post here. On January 19 2012 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm just excited because my wife finally procured some [REDACTED] and it's a good motha****** day. But whatever.He OMGUS me, without any case at all (not counting macpos  ). And I didn’t even attack him that much, just mentioned that he is suspicious to me a couple of times. Finally, he claimed again. This time, he was shot. On January 19 2012 12:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Something doesn't feel right. BM didn't incarcerate L. Toad got shot. I got shot. Bill needs to get in here and tell us who he incarcerated. I'm totally not ruling out the possibility that a vig tried to shoot Toad, but that means that there are only 3 Mafia KP...which means that Bill incarcerated scum last night. I don't know...something smells fishy. I actually agree with him here, something’s fishy. Explanation A) He IS in fact a jack and mafia shot him, which kind of puts a bad light on toad. Explanation B) Mafia shot Toad and he is falsely claiming. Toad doesn’t seem like a good target from a scum perspective, since he was a lynch candidate. WIFOM possible. I don’t know how to feel about this. So tell me! What do you guys think about that? Other than that VE’s filter is full of one liners and random questions. No case at all (except of CC) and no indications of scumhunting! Also, let’s take a at VE’s voting on day three. VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Sandroba ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler ##Unvote: BloodyC0bbler ##Vote: Bill Murray ##Unvote: Sandroba ##Vote: kingjames01 ##Unvote: kingjames01 ##Vote: supersoft ##Unvote: Bill Murray ##Unvote: supersoft ##Vote: p4Ndemik ##Unvote: p4Ndemik ##Vote: p4Ndemik Looks more like a shell game than actually trying to achieve something. “Hey I am town, I voted for scum at some point.” Yay. "Hey I am scum and I confuse everyone because I switch my votes every 12 seconds". Yay. He also voted for all 3 top mayor candidates plus WBG. Surprise. Oh and he advised against a DL, then promotes it. He’s the ultimate Chamaeleon, he blends in everywhere! FTR: I still think, we have better targets today and I'll stick to my votes for know, but watch him closely, because he is either SCUM-VE or OMGUS-Chamaeleon-Man, half OMGUS, half Chamaeleon, half man. Dumdumduuuum Oh and inb4 OMGUS. | ||
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This helps your defense a lot bro. 2 Shots missing, 2 Shots claimed. If there was no stacking, you're good... I still answer you: [QUOTE]On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Well - I certainly took responsibility for the Palmar lynch, in spite of having ample opportunity to blame WBG for the whole mess. And while superficially it could be argued that I was on-board with the Macpo lynch, I understand that in no way cleanses my erratic behavior. However, my posting has been pretty transparently town, which is what Bum I assume is referring to with his post. I suppose you think my claim was some kind of insane gambit that L and I cooked up for me to get elected? Is that what you want to bring to the table Jayjay? [QUOTE] 95% were for a macpo lynch. Or at least didn’t mind it. Your posts have no direction whatsoever to me. You do no cases, you don’t stick to your opinions, you OMGUS (hey, you didn’t omgus me, good for you!), you vote like 40 times. Like I said, you may actually be indecisive and post a lot without actually making cases, or you could be scum trying to appear townish. [QUOTE]On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I get that my play has been erratic - but if you want to point a finger, do it with some feeling JayJay. What, don't want to be the first on the wagon or something? Afraid of voting for me when you don't know what the GENERAL CONSENSUS is of my play?[/QUOTE] I don’t think it’s good for the town, if you are afraid to call somebody out, because “the general consensus” doesn’t agree. I am like the only one consistently calling BC scum. That should be allowed and even if I am wrong, other train of thoughts are nourishing for town. So no, I am not afraid of that. Your play has not been very good yet, feel free to improve it. Right now we have the huge priority target BM and I’ll stick GGQ, because I think he’s scum and his lynch will give us information which we need. [QUOTE]On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll take your case seriously when you can prove that I have mafia intentions, and you vote for me. Until then, keep your silly theories to yourself JayJay. All you've proven to town is that VE is playing like a crazy person. Raise your hand if that surprises you everyone. [/QUOTE] This is my first game ever, so I don’t know how crazy you normally play. I certainly do know, that BM is lynched right now for the same thing, playing crazy. And not helping town. Sounds familiar. Again, feel free to step up man. you can make a case about me, about jackal, add something to the p4n case, don’t care, but contribute. No theories about L or whatever involved. [QUOTE]On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: But I'm town, and I'm super serious now. I think the case on kingjames is decent - but his response to the case was much better than p4N's reaction to KJ's case. By far. It could be experience. It could be something more sinister. I'm just after the truth, and ultimately you'll find that's what this has ALL been about for me.[/QUOTE] I don’t like the kingjames case as much, but whatever. That’s a town decision. I’ll be on GGQ since I believe, he’s the better target overall. VE, please step up and prove that you were just the ultimate OMGUS-Chamaeleon-Man. I’ll continue to watch you... | ||
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First of all, I assumed that mafia actually had 3 KP. I was wrong, so 2 hits are missing and my case was wrong in that regard This helps your defense a lot bro. 2 Shots missing, 2 Shots claimed. If there was no stacking, you're good... I still answer you: On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Well - I certainly took responsibility for the Palmar lynch, in spite of having ample opportunity to blame WBG for the whole mess. And while superficially it could be argued that I was on-board with the Macpo lynch, I understand that in no way cleanses my erratic behavior. However, my posting has been pretty transparently town, which is what Bum I assume is referring to with his post. I suppose you think my claim was some kind of insane gambit that L and I cooked up for me to get elected? Is that what you want to bring to the table Jayjay? 95% were for a macpo lynch. Or at least didn’t mind it. Your posts have no direction whatsoever to me. You do no cases, you don’t stick to your opinions, you OMGUS (hey, you didn’t omgus me, good for you!), you vote like 40 times. Like I said, you may actually be indecisive and post a lot without actually making cases, or you could be scum trying to appear townish. On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I get that my play has been erratic - but if you want to point a finger, do it with some feeling JayJay. What, don't want to be the first on the wagon or something? Afraid of voting for me when you don't know what the GENERAL CONSENSUS is of my play? I don’t think it’s good for the town, if you are afraid to call somebody out, because “the general consensus” doesn’t agree. I am like the only one consistently calling BC scum. That should be allowed and even if I am wrong, other train of thoughts are nourishing for town. So no, I am not afraid of that. Your play has not been very good yet, feel free to improve it. Right now we have the huge priority target BM and I’ll stick GGQ, because I think he’s scum and his lynch will give us information which we need. On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll take your case seriously when you can prove that I have mafia intentions, and you vote for me. Until then, keep your silly theories to yourself JayJay. All you've proven to town is that VE is playing like a crazy person. Raise your hand if that surprises you everyone. This is my first game ever, so I don’t know how crazy you normally play. I certainly do know, that BM is lynched right now for the same thing, playing crazy. And not helping town. Sounds familiar. Again, feel free to step up man. you can make a case about me, about jackal, add something to the p4n case, don’t care, but contribute. No theories about L or whatever involved. On January 20 2012 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: But I'm town, and I'm super serious now. I think the case on kingjames is decent - but his response to the case was much better than p4N's reaction to KJ's case. By far. It could be experience. It could be something more sinister. I'm just after the truth, and ultimately you'll find that's what this has ALL been about for me. I don’t like the kingjames case as much, but whatever. That’s a town decision. I’ll be on GGQ since I believe, he’s the better target overall. VE, please step up and prove that you were just the ultimate OMGUS-Chamaeleon-Man. I’ll continue to watch you... | ||
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On January 20 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote: is it just me or did my post here get ignored completly? I thought GGQ might be a hot topic and therefore I expected to get some answers on that one, no matter if good or bad. I still don't think what protact pointed out is a tell at all and that it's not a solid defence. What's everyone elses opinion on what I posted in there? well, I tried to lynch him d2, my vote is on him d3. so feel free to join me | ||
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On January 20 2012 09:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not an OMGUS anything, and this is the n'th time you've insisted that. OMGUS is a term that applies exclusively...EXCLUSIVELY JAYJAY...to X who's attacking Y based solely on the fact that Y attacked X. I posted my case on Cheese, while the fact that he attacked me was mentioned, it was far from the actual meat of my argument - you need to stop calling it OMGUS because you're either mistaken or misrepresenting - but wrong in any case. My case on Cheese was what I felt at the time. He's changed my mind slightly, mainly based on the way he was generating conversation during the night after that lynch...but my case was serious and very NOT just OMGUS. yea, I don't see it. So, I'll just continue to insist that I already responded to your cc case that it's weak and that I was 100% sure that you wouldn't have made that case, if it wasn't for him attacking you. It felt like you made that case for the sole purpose to justify your OMGUS.Your attack on me was based on nothing except on me attacking you. No case to be seen. Your attack on jackal as well. No case to be seen. Next you put somebody on lynch me! list, make sure to have other arguements than "he voted me and then he stopped voting me", or "he voted me" or "he used to agree with me, now he votes me". You have to ask yourself as a townie, if it is possible for other townies to perceive you maybe in another light than you intend them to. This doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I don't know if you fakeclaimed jack, I don't know if you fakeclaimed the shot. But it is a possibility to me. Try to contribute in a sane manner, maybe my perception changes and then you just have to try to not call me scum for that. If it doesn't, I'll stride on to add more to your case. | ||
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On January 20 2012 08:38 GGQ wrote: The second vote is trickier, I'm considering supersoft and p4ndemic, but I'm not enthusiastic about lynching kingjames. No one seems to have noted that cyber_cheese's activity level is sharply decreased this day phase, which only furthers my suspicions of him.? I'll just point out this softdefend right here. Might get handy. | ||
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On January 20 2012 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote: He put me on his watch list. I put him on my LYNCH list...because I think he's scum, and because I want him lynched. The only reason I don't have a vote on him is because he's VERY NOT on any of the influential townies' radar yet. YET. I have a feeling he'll be up there soon enough though. man, I thought you weren't omgsing seriously. this is a OMGUS. there is literally no case. If you say something like that, you must have a case or at least an arguement backed up. "I think he is scum" is not an arguement. then I can say something about what you've written and we're good. or we're not. and I am not on townies radar yet, because only macpo made a case. there is no other feel free to make one. generating discussions only helps town. | ||
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