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If this is the best mafia can do to discredit me then that's pretty sad. We have them on the ropes townies don't let up on the pressure. BM and supersoft clearly are into some dirty business here.
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Where's the fun in that though? Kenpachi please explain your vote it makes 0.0000000000 sense at all.
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VE I thought you agreed with my case against BM and supersoft. Why are you recanting that so quickly?
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I'm not saying you never voted for him, I'm saying at the time that supersoft voted for him you were no longer voting for him.
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To extrapolate on that point:
He voted for lynching Chaosquo like 1 hour before the deadline, a full 6 hours after you had decided yourself that it wasn't the best option and instead opted for Bill Murray. He piggy backs on your original argument randomly when even you aren't still pushing for the Chaosquo lynch.
If he is going down the road of "I trust CC's way of thinking" its even more odd that he would follow your original line of thinking but be so sheepish about continuing to follow you into voting for Bill Murray. Instead he opts to make the weakest defense ever and can't even put together the slightest semblance of reasoning for why he is doing so.
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I'm headed to bed please read over my case against supersoft and BM I'm convinced we have a 2 for 2 day here and I hope everyone can see through whatever weak accusations kingjames brought against me. I don't know what his intentions are or if he is trying to get his buddies out of a tight spot but the best part is we've still got like 40 hours to analyze further suspects after we decide on this lynch. We're getting close guys, should have their KP reduced even more very soon!
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VE you baffle me. You totally agree with the biggest push I have made in the game up until this point, put in your vote to that effect, but you continue to swing wildly back and forth and put your vote back onto me. You acknowledge that I have a solid case, but just because kingjames keeps pushing me you keep forgetting that and voting for me. The most telling thing I have done all game is this lynch against supersoft and bill murray, I've drawn a line in the sand and you've said you agreed with that. This fact should carry more weight than me making some mistakes earlier in the game.
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On January 19 2012 23:07 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 17:40 p4NDemik wrote:
Protactinium is regularly catching mafia. So yeah, I haven't been calling him out or anything. If he keeps giving targets that flip red I'm going to continue to think he's pretty green. I don't know why this post drew you to me.
Day 1 during the Mayor vote we had like 20 pages of useless Mason talk, so I spoke to that, what little bit I could but mostly I was disappointed as I said it was very difficult to focus on who was the best candidate during that mess. Yes I didn't make a stand at that exact moment but it was very difficult to do so at the time. The thread was in ruins.
Again I don't see what you are trying to prove by showing my reasoning for voting Protactinium for mayor. I feel that while it isn't the most verbose explanation it is very to the point and says exactly why the other candidates were deficient. It doesn't leave anything to the imagination. I wanted to get a mayor who wanted to hang some mafia members and I voted for one who is 2 for 2 thus far.
As for the Palmar thing, yeah it doesn't help so much when you say "I told you so!" after the fact but I couldn't help myself. The lynch Palmar drive based on meta didn't sit well with me and that was another big factor why I voted for Protactinium. I know I made a promise to go through the thread again, but sometimes I just have to get away from this game it is very time consuming as is and eventually you have to pull yourself away to do other things. That said, I feel I just presented a very strong case and we have 2 for-sure mafia who just exposed themselves in BM and supersoft. I trust that town will see these two for what they really are and take them down.
In the next quote I am not using this "I'm a n00b" defense at all. Kitaman raises a question about why I didn't care about masons/Palmar meta discussion and instead only cared about the election. I told him I don't have experience with masons and I have never played with Palmar to know the meta that the lynch was based upon. But I never said "I'm a n00b." You're really grasping at straws here if that's what you got out of it.
Now you list a hoarde of posts that are short questions. I saw what I thought were questionable actions by players. In a few of the cases they were misunderstandings and mistakes in reading what was posted. They were very real. I thought wherebugsgo made a serious slip for a second and voted for him but I was proven wrong and shown that he was just paraphrasing what someone else said. It wasn't obvious and it was quite confusing as there was no context given. Kenpachi swoops in being the troll he is and gets under my skin a little. I'm human. Whoop de doo. My case against you is not predicated on your support for or against Protactinium. My suspicion against your formed when I read that you thought Nisani presented a "pretty compelling" argument against Protactinium when in fact he did not. When I then look through the remainder of your posts it becomes clear that you spend an inordinate amount of time committing to nothing, attempting to justify your lynch votes and never any actual scum-hunting. Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 17:46 p4NDemik wrote:
If this is the best mafia can do to discredit me then that's pretty sad. We have them on the ropes townies don't let up on the pressure. BM and supersoft clearly are into some dirty business here. Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 19:47 p4NDemik wrote:
I'm headed to bed please read over my case against supersoft and BM I'm convinced we have a 2 for 2 day here and I hope everyone can see through whatever weak accusations kingjames brought against me. I don't know what his intentions are or if he is trying to get his buddies out of a tight spot but the best part is we've still got like 40 hours to analyze further suspects after we decide on this lynch. We're getting close guys, should have their KP reduced even more very soon! You're not one of us. Your posts and your actions make that clear. Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't ever attempt to help to improve the condition/atmosphere of the Town? Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't ever take a solid stand to outlining your position on major issues? Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't have not done any real public scum-hunting?
It is a weak accusation to say that I don't ever attempt to help improve town atmosphere. I was openly against the mason talk Day 1. This was probably the most chaotic, unhelpful time in the game and I said I didn't care for it. I was focused on the election. I stand firm in thinking this is something that was strongly in the interest of the town and I don't know why you choose to ignore it.
It is a weak accusation to say I never make a solid stand on major issues. I made a very solid stand with my vote for Protactinium. I outlined exactly why I thought other candidates were deficient and why I was steadfast in my support for Protactinium. I feel I'm making a solid stand right now against your agenda and for a lynch of supersoft and BM. These are things that are clear to see.
It is also a weak accusation to say I haven't attempted to hunt mafia as I am currently presenting a case right now. A strong one in my opinion. The fact that your accusation comes out now leads me to believe that you don't even really intend to get my lynched. That would be a bonus of course, but as long as my case against supersoft is overlooked its a small victory for mafia.
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flamewheel / jcarlsoniv can we get an accurate vote count? It's very difficult to keep up with double lynch voting already and now that you've said kingjames' count is incorrect I really want to know the current status even more.
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I don't think you are mafia, but I'm like 95-99% sure that BM and supersoft are, and a little less sure (as most of my suspicion draws from his recent attack on me) that kingjames is as well. I feel like kingjames is a regular goon right now trying to use whatever traction he can get to save more valuable mafia roles. BM has obvious value to mafia with his sheriff position, and I'd wager to guess supersoft is a roleblocker/framer/jack. I don't mean to accuse you at all I'd just like you to go with your gut and not be swayed by kingjames' rhetoric.
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supersoft just admitted that in his latest defense post.
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I'd really like to see those logs wbg btw if possible. It seems very convenient that he masoned L but couldn't get him to talk. And it feels odd that he feels it necessary to give an excuse immediately after that. I also never brought his activity level into question in the first place.
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BM there are like 26 hours left today what are you talking about.
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Why are random people posting in this thread -_-
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On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 11:33 kingjames01 wrote:On January 20 2012 11:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK folks. Lynches for today until a better round of analysis comes out via myself, foolishness or protract, obvious scum slips by reds or the like.
kingjames
Now, we have analyzed him already, but you guys seriously need to take a step back at what he is doing. The only person he analyzed all game till p4n was me. Not only that, but he only started to analyze other players when he started getting votes slapped on him. He has down nothing to help the town, and claimed he was attempting to draw a mafia hit. If this was true, why has he been so unhelpful and not just that, assume that a mafia would shoot him based on 3 players analyzing him as red?
The only bullet he was taking last night would have been from a vig.
Not only this, but most analysis on him always seems to get buried quickly or ignored. He is one of the primary people that should be lynched today yet only the BM one has taken up real steam. Hell if you notice, the only people voting for him atm are myself, protrac, foolishness, hiro and BM.
Mafia does not want this guy dead, cap him now.
As for the secondary target? Everyone is hopping aboard the BM wagon which at the moment has me slightly uneasy at how fast it is thus far. He seems like a solid candidate thus far but it is starting to seem almost like a misslynch.
If you guys don't like BM then move to Meapak. I will have an analysis post up on him shortly, but he is most likely red.
However Kingjames should be everyones primary vote today. I am almost starting to feel bad for you BC. You're like that pathetic little kid that always wants to be heard. You're saying all the same things but you're missing one key fact. IF you really believed me to be mafia, you should be attacking my posts. Am I wrong about p4NDemik? Why don't you use your mafia logic and discuss that? What are you so afraid of? I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. bad mafia or bad town. Regardless, Your posts attacked him for the same general points you were analyzed for. Also rather than actively discuss your opinion on todays other lynch choices or yesterdays lynch choices. You never explain your vote on L aside from saying you think hes mafia. As for the pathetic little kid? resorting to personal insults now? Annoyed that everyone has seen you for what you are this game? As for if i thought you were red attacking your posts? I did that before, Do you really want me to ream you again?
From this assessment I assume you aren't a fan of my case against supersoft. Can you explain why you don't agree with it because I've yet to see supersoft do anything that exhonerates him in my mind. Along with BM he's had some of the worst defenses of all the people who have been accused today, and his vote for the last lynch makes zero sense to me.
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Fair enough townies make bad defense posts. But can you extrapolate farther on why you disagree with the finer points of my case against him. You say you have a town read on him and you don't see it as a viable lynch but you aren't speaking to any of my analysis at all.
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Thanks for not really commenting on the strongest part of my analysis and just focusing on the less relevant parts of it while not analyzing the true questionable behavior that lies within.
BC what kind of town agrees yeah we should lynch macpo but I'm gonna vote for this guy that not even Cyber_Cheese is voting for anymore? This is a guy who previously outlined these very meticulous plans he has for defining people in groups, and determining mafia via process of elimination. It's an irresponsible vote that doesn't fit his defined style of play.
Moreover he never even comments about CC's original case before this vote. If he wants to go along with the crowd and vote Macpo why is he bent on still voting for Chaosquo? He never makes that clear.
Again, I propose that the reason there is this divide in his logic regarding the last vote is that he was getting lazy in maintaining his facade of being town. He needed to vote somewhere but he didn't want to bus Macpo along with the rest of his mafia buddies. This is mafia hedging their bets, trying to slip one by us. Don't let him off the hook guys.
##Vote supersoft
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blahz0r I don't think we have that problem at all. There are a number of random cases being pitched by random townies atm, including Lanaia's case for Slardar, Kenpachi's vote for bumatlarge, BM's vote for rgTheSchworz, and bumatlarge's case against Meapak, but there are a number of viable lynches in my opinion.
GGQ, kingjames, and supersoft have a lot to live up to if they want to get off my list of suspect players atm and are viable lynches imo. sandroba has a number of votes but i haven't seen anything compelling and new come out of this line of thinking for a while.
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flamewheel in your vote counts you aren't taking into account that BC is mayor now. You guys technically screwed up the last vote but it didn't matter.
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Meapak I'm very wary of getting behind the lynch of a dead townie primarily because he was town, which is what it seems like you're doing there. Nisani is right, a lot of your case is predicated on OpZ's continued distrust of Protactinium, which is fairly reasonable imo. Once Macpo was lynched and turned red (this happened on the 18th, after all of the posts you quoted) if people still are overly pushing for Protact's head then I'd say they are either horribad town or even more horribad mafia.
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