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On January 15 2012 01:16 risk.nuke wrote:Wasn't actually ment to post yet so ebwop and here is the follow-up part. I agree it's really about time to get the candidate numbers down, and start discussing. People needed to have voted by now so we could have had a decent idea of where people were standing, L I think you just might be alittle late to the race to run for mayor now. Show nested quote +4 On page 39 its stated that roles who get elected cannot be roleblocked; All of the current candidates for mayor are crumbing or have claimed roles that don't benefit from this. This issue is brought up a grand total of ONCE in the 12 pages since then and not discussed any further. - L Abot this. What do you want to do, elect a dt?
What? you want to out a dt? are you crazy?
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On January 15 2012 01:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:16 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 17:41 GiygaS wrote:
Re: Mattchew being elected
Said already, you're not confirmed, and you're obviously a pretty bad spot if you think you're confirmed because you pmed a dude. If we could see that PM log, that story may change though (if Foolishness says a role you don't want revealed you can censor that if it's keeping you). Seriously, if you're campaign is about transparency, show us examples.
I showed PM log, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=44#867, sorry this is really hard not to type in caps. I have been transparent, open and honest this entire game. On January 14 2012 18:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
mkay wow a lot happened. I just wanna address the Mattchew candidacy.
This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless.
I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't.
Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum.
I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity.
The only evidence you have is foolishness's word? I don't even know if foolishness is town. You should put as much into foolishness's word as anyone else who has posted like 5 times and 2 of them has been semi trolly campaign announcements. Foolishness did not come up with outing me, I went to him with that idea. Please re-read the PMs between me and him, which I have posted unlike any other Mason claiming. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Wanted to highlight that. I PM'd foolishness way too quick to have had any scum team plan especially one that describes whether or not he is "on to them" When I PM'd him it is unlikely there was even a majority of scum to vote me into mason and come up with this plan. The fact that mafia has to elect their mason should aid my innocence based off how quickly I PM'd. Establishing my own innocence is pro-town and alongside scum-hunting are the most important things for all townies to do. On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote:Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep. Topics to discuss: A) Mattchew Let’s analyze his post. On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am confirmed town. How? Let me explain. I am a mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none. Not really an argument. A variance of the usual “I suck at scum”. Nothing special.Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him or b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught. This is logic. This make sense. Why would mafia PM the best town player straight away? After he already started a campaign for BM. There is no real perspective for scum here. And the idea that both are scum is strange, too. The BM campaign wouldn’t make sense. There’s no chance that all 3 are scum.Why should we vote you if you are bad?A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me. Not really confirmed. But by logic he’s likely town.B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability. Masons can’t get roleblock! They have a day action. So B is not really an issue. The townish vibes make the difference here. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence. Makes sense to me. That is why the BC claim timing was so odd to me. He would have had a great chance to become mayor. What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from 13:30 GMT (+00:00) to 04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around 03:00 GMT (+00:00). The standard obligatory "I suck at scum" I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3. Those 3 are (in no particular order) Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good. The mayor downside of his post  . I agree with WBG here, these candidates suck. Would like to see Echelot or Palmar here. Mapco is a new player, you can clearly see it. So why lynch him.I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until 16:00 GMT (+00:00) That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot. In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real. Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky. Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is: ##vote Mattchew + Show Spoiler +Thank you for using your brain. On January 15 2012 00:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Other people we should't elect
Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to.
Once again, resisting the urge of capslock and name calling. please, please, please, re-read my filter. I am the one who suggests to foolishness that I run, I am the one who wants to out myself as a mason, I am the one who posted me and foolishness's PM's (without even asking him) and I am the one who is running for mayor right now (foolishness has made 1 post on me). One last note on my alignment. I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes.______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Onto other topics than my innocence and people's lack of reading comprehension. I am still campaigning on a Lynching of either Ciryandor, Mapco, or Chaosquo. They have all disappeared, posted like scummy shit and have not been pro-town at all. Thinking palmar is scum right now is like having a really large weight pulling at the end of your fishing line. It could be that trophy catch you've been waiting for your whole life, or it most likely is a boot. That is not to say he should be let off the hook though, Palmar you have posted very little to nothing at all. We all know you can be really good at town, if you truly are town, please start posting better. There are only 3 campaigns running that are not your standard cookie cutter mayoral campaigns. Those 3 are Bill Murray BloodyCobbler Myself As L said we need to get voting so that this wont be hijacked. Read the OP more carefully, a lot of your argument is based on 'scum have to choose their masons' which isn't true. Also Foolishness outing youYou declaring that you're a mason, and announcing your candidacy [/b]
At the beginning of every cycle, you may send a PM to me detailing who you would like to Mason with during that cycle. You may PM with that person for the full cycle. You may not choose a person you have already Masoned with for the remainder of the game. The Mafia team will have a set number of people to choose as Masons. Mafia with other roles (Roleblocker, Framer, Godfather) can double up on Mason roles.
maybe you should read the OP more carefully
Foolishness did not out me. If you actually read our PM's I went to him and told him to post to prove I was a mason. I then posted shortly after.
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yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree
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VE if it feels like a mafia mason out them. Post the logs and let others see and maybe share in your opinion.
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I would also like to add that the mass claim idea cannot be technically enforced, so there is a chance there are still any amount of masons still out there at any time. Not claiming is not necessarily scum especially if you are a townie and against the mass claim.
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On January 15 2012 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hush you, I want experienced help, not someone who thinks they're confirmed "because foolish said so".
You will not get a rise out of me by spewing misinformation. I promise to be level headed and fair to everyone, but please stop saying things like "foolishness saying so" is my reason. My reason is far more deep and logically than that.
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On January 15 2012 00:59 L wrote:
The capitalization of Your and You makes me feel like a king. Keep it up.
BC is currently sitting in the lead with 5 votes. Both of Foolishness' puppets, if you will, Mattchew and Bill Murray are sitting at 3 apiece. Proactinium also has 3. Basically there are 4 people who are 'out front' with a total of 14 votes down between them.
Thread tone indicates that at least one or more of them is mafia. We'd have a better shot of keeping our elected office clean by throwing the offices to random people (20% chance vs. 25%+ chance), and that's not a good thing.
Can you explain why you believe I am Foolishness's puppet.
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On January 15 2012 02:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Mattchew, you're still masoned with Foolishness correct? What else has been said since this post? Additionally, why did your campaign take so long to start if one of the bonuses is you being a mason who used the ability really early? You confirmed your role 8 hours before declaring your candidacy, and foolishness had also posted really early on BM's qualities.
We have not spoken since he had to "run for the evening" at 1/14/12 10:29. I don't know what to make of this.
I didn't know that I wanted to run for mayor until BC brought up the topic of masons coming forward. Originally I thought I might be the only mason which is clearly not true. When I started to realize it was not a unique role I figured I could use it in the most pro town way I could by getting an extremely likely townie into office (I am trying to stop using the word confirmed). The timing of the campaign was after some conversation with foolishness and when I had time to write a post
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On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote:RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect. There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:/confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CCScum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM)I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nukeAnother campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BMSeems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BCHe is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VEI think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.MeapakThe second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion.
You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum.
Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player.
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On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role?
Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is.
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On January 15 2012 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Gonna unvote BC, he's not been active and he hasn't produced his mason. Given the ambiguity of the situation I no longer feel comfortable voting BC. As I've already stated, I will be voting kita for mayor.
My lynch choice is still GGQ. I thought seriously about Palmar but I just could not imagine a situation with him as scum where he'd be stupid enough to post like he is.
I'd also briefly like to talk about mattchew. In no way is he confirmed. None. Instead, like everyone else, we only have his actions to judge him by. So far all he has done is use WIFOM arguments about why he's town, call himself confirmed, say he'd lynch three easy suspects, and post extremely aggressively. He hasn't done anything to help the town so I'd advise people not to vote for him.
How about posting my PMs, being transparent and using logic.
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On January 15 2012 03:07 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:05 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote:RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect. There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:/confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CCScum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM)I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nukeAnother campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BMSeems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BCHe is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VEI think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.MeapakThe second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion. You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player. You're less of a risk of flipping scum? Wouldn't you know that you were at no risk of flipping scum?
you missed the 3 words before your bolded text "to vote for". I am not speaking on me voting myself I know that I am town, I am proposing how someone else would see it, and it is true I am not confirmed, but I feel that I am logically town.
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On January 15 2012 03:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious? You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game. Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood. Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list.
so should i call out every person that told me I didn't post my pms?
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On January 15 2012 03:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:06 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role? Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is. No actually they don't. Your only reason for being mayor is that you're a mason and that foolishness trusts you. Given foolishnesses actions so far it's pretty clear he's trolling so that's really not an endorsement. And as for your mason claim, you're no more confirmed than BC is and he's done a lot more than you.
imma quote myself from earlier
I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes.
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On January 15 2012 03:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:06 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role? Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is. Incorrect. We would be if nothing else equal playing ground. You used my initial claim to play off of foolishness to make a power play at an elected slot using your role. I have openly stated that I would not be surprised or expect to get in because of my claim. In short I expect if i was elected it would be off my ability, not my role. You run was purely something you did via "im a confirmed townie" because of your role. The "cases" against you were that just because you are a mason does not make you confirmed town. You have been transparent with your pms yes, in which you have a townie who is helping you openly admit that bm is easily controllable and you are taking advice from him. IE you are also easily controllable. I am very hesitant to want someone elected that foolishness supports when his main reason admitted in a pm to you was an ability to control bm. Do you think he would support you if it was any different? Why would a vet player want someone in office he can manipulate/control instead of himself. And jesus, I totally just stumbled across that thought in help of one of L's earlier posts. Does anyone have a solid reason why it is advantageous to have an elected official in office you can manipulate/control instead of running yourself? If you are controlling/manipulating wouldn't that suggest you are more sure of your own ability to play and should be running rather than ducking responsibility?
Can you link me to where I say foolishness is town? I only say that he is the best town player. And if he were scum, that would make me town, as others have said there is little to no chance me and foolishness are both scum. So the only scum option is me being scum and foolishness being town. to which i ask the same question i just posted above
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On January 15 2012 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement). Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt. What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post. Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth? Original Message From Foolishness: okay Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia. So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future. I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far. Original Message From Mattchew:
Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that... I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post? Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good. Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe. Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim. Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful. Original Message From Foolishness: Also, if you don't want to claim I can claim mason for you. Then I can breadcrumb in one of my posts that you are the real mason so you can contact people in the future. Original Message From Mattchew:
Im thinking about claiming, but would like to solicit your opinion on it before I do. I think that it will prove me as town by claiming mason and mason'ing you. I could also run for mayor based off of this and put a proven townie in the mayoral or sheriff seat
[quote] On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies 1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps?
1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out
2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly
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On January 15 2012 03:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town?
Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person.
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On January 15 2012 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:15 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 03:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 15 2012 03:06 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role? Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is. No actually they don't. Your only reason for being mayor is that you're a mason and that foolishness trusts you. Given foolishnesses actions so far it's pretty clear he's trolling so that's really not an endorsement. And as for your mason claim, you're no more confirmed than BC is and he's done a lot more than you. imma quote myself from earlier I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes. why? Heres a scenario for you. Mafia sees that I out myself as a mason. They see that I am attempting to fubar the use of the mason role completely. Mafia goes "FUUUUUUUUUUUUU" then thinks, wait, maybe we can use this to our advantage. Mafia concocts a scheme to use one of their newer members as a mason and get him elected via his claim. Foolishness could be a red or green and go along with it because he thinks that he can control you? Or, you are green, do this move and foolishness is red and goes "score and easier person for me to use than bm" and backs you to get you into office. Doing so would make him seem town in your eyes and would gain him a mayor who trusts him. A newbie mayor who would go to him for advice before making his own decisions -_-. Either situation you could be red or green, and it doesn't matter. A mafia team putting forth a member to get elected on a role that once elected's alignment can only be determined via death, or a town candidate who is controlled like a puppet via the mafia are both good scenarios for them.
scenario is broken because i pm'd foolishness before you outed yourself. I don't see Foolishness as a strong town read. I would lean towards town if a gun was to my head but I still want to hear a lot more from him.
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On January 15 2012 03:23 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement). Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt. What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post. Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth? Original Message From Foolishness: okay Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia. So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future. I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far. Original Message From Mattchew:
Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that... I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post? Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good. Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe. Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim. Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful. Original Message From Foolishness:
Also, if you don't want to claim I can claim mason for you. Then I can breadcrumb in one of my posts that you are the real mason so you can contact people in the future.
[quote] On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies 1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps? 1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3 + Show Spoiler +
fuck forgot to copy paste my extra pms and there are 3 not 2 like i said
me to him
Odds there is a second town mason? I think flamewheel likes pm's so I really don't know, but the risk of BC being mafia and a mason is scary as hell to me if he gets elected
me to him
kk I will post mine soon after
me to him
How do you feel about double lynches?
(I didn't realize that town voted in double lynches at that moment I know this now)
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On January 15 2012 03:33 L wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:05 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote:RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect. There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:/confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CCScum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM)I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nukeAnother campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BMSeems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BCHe is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VEI think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.MeapakThe second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion. You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player. The bolded portion is a flat out lie as well as a cloaked kingmaker. You're now my lynch target if elected.
what is a cloaked kingmaker?
and how is that a lie.
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