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Mattchew
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The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now. | ||
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Mattchew
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On January 14 2012 10:56 bumatlarge wrote: Mattchew's reasoning: "Hm, foolishness is a strong townie I hear, and I'm a mason, I wonder what I should do?" At this point, mattchew had not yet posted in the thread so he must have read this; Mattchew: "Wow, he really is a solid townie! Look at how he backs a questionable candidate who has not even posted yet. He might be scum, or he's a really good town player" Now, if you had alot of experience with foolishness, I could perhaps understand, but if this is your reasoning as a person who has not played with him, your reasons for him as town suck. ERGO you must be trolling. where did I say i believed foolishness was town? I just knew that he plays extremely well as town, + Show Spoiler + and I have no idea how to play this role. I took a risk and pm'd him. I will say that I have a town read on him but I am not going to claim that he is 100% town | ||
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Mattchew
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On January 14 2012 11:02 wherebugsgo wrote: just by the fact that you consider yourself confirmed town I don't want to vote you. I don't understand why everyone says "Palmar would make a great day 2 lynch." If he would make a great day 2 lynch he'd make a great day 1 lynch. Let's stop screwing around and get to business, yeah? The pussyfooting we've been doing so far has been detrimental to town discussion and multiple people have already stated that they've been sidetracked by the stupid mason discussion. All of the alternatives posed to Palmar right now are noobs or people who are otherwise not easy to read. Palmar is super easy to read; if he's playing like shit, afraid, and dodging questions or scumhunting, he's scum. If he's aggressive and tunnels people, he's town (now watch him come in and randomly tunnel someone for a while since I said this) Look at wiggles mini mafia, he played like shit that first day too. He can come through with a fury day 2 and beyond. | ||
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Mattchew
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On January 14 2012 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: DUDE STOP CALLING YOURSELF CONFIRMED TOWNIE Nothing is confirmed without a flip. Not even DT checks are confirmed until the DT flips. You are NOT a confirmed townie, you're ridiculous for thinking so. sorry for using logic. If you cant follow that then please re-read me and foolishness's posts | ||
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On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring) @Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything. Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me? And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies | ||
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Mattchew
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On January 14 2012 11:49 bumatlarge wrote: Aw, you're one of my favorites too. But prepare your anus if you bring that up again. I'd probably vote for someone who was going to lynch cyber_cheese, or explains a better candidate. I don't see why ciryandor or palmar are scum over cheese. why do you think cheese is scum? | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:59 Jitsu wrote: [/b]Not selling me, Mattchew. You are explaining reasons why we should vote for you here. But before that, you admit that you aren't the best town player, and that the "scum wouldn't pick you because you're not a good listener." So if you aren't the best town player, why would you even want to be put in as mayor? Obviously the mayor role was designed to have a strong scum-hunting town player since they have an insta-lynch, and they have the protection of the bodyguard's/knowledge of the who bodyguard's are. I am a bad scum listener, but I am learning to be a good town listener. I will be extremely active in consulting town with decisions that I have to make. A. Than you say you are confirmed town. How are you confirmed town? Claiming that you mason'd someone is hardly the right way. The logic behind me mason'ing foolishness that early (1/14 01:29 TL time). B. This is applied to anyone that is placed into the Mayor position, save the mason ability. I don't see how it's that pertinent. I would be have an extra power that can help my decisions for town. C. So you basically are a Mayor with a veteran coach, but than say you aren't going to take their advice. I would much rather have a Mayor in office that is transparent about decisions, and not talking behind closed doors. My decisions will be transparent i will just have extra help reaching them. Why do you feel these players are scum? I personally would like to hear back from Macpo before I make any decisions on his alignment, although, he hasn't said anything since I brought him up earlier. Macpo is playing exactly like i did my first game (i was scum). Ciry has posted next to nothing and supported a terrible campaign I have never played with Foolishness before, but from what I understand, he is a strong townie player. I don't necessarily understand the supporting two players so abruptly, seemingly out of nowhere, but I guess that it comes from partial meta and partial private convo's - which, I think, should be at least brought to the front. I brought them to the front For the mayoral campaign, I originally like the BC, but I feel that after his claim, i'm not sure - i'm quite confused on the matter. I don't think a mafia player would play the card he did, but I don't want to pretend I know why a town player would do it either. The jury is still out on who I want to vote for for Mayor. answers in bold | ||
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On January 14 2012 12:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Mattchew, you didn't even know if Foolish was town or not. You still don't. So why would his 'vouch' mean anything to anyone, and how in the world would it confirm anyone as town? If he is scum and I am town, why would he endorse me? If we are both scum, do you think scum team or even me and him would call this attention? I even posted our entire pm convo. If I am scum and he is town, do you think scum would a. mason me and b. let me pm one of the best townies? most likely If we are both town, we are trying to elect a townie This isnt that hard of logic. Think it through fully | ||
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Mattchew
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There is a difference between WIFOM and providing logical thought. If you see a different outcome please let me know | ||
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However, I am not as concerned with Foolishness's alignment as I am with my own (although he can't "manipulate" (to use your words) me past n1) | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:12 Scamp wrote: With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon. first of all. I just got back from the bar. Second of all. Read my filter. What more substance do you want. I laid out my 3 candidates to lynch and established myself as town. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:17 ~OpZ~ wrote: Could not of said it better myself. But now that he mentions it, where the hell is BM? I'm not sold that any of the mayor candidate have a proper direction right now, and for all declaring they'd be active, they seem to be lacking. Please read post above. I have spoken on every issue brought up (palmar, masons, who to lynch) and I don't understand this logic of Mayor running the town / game. You get 2extra votes and a lynch and immunity. You don't have to be the most vocal to be a good mayor you just have to make decent decisions and read well. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: A mayor is someone players who surf by doing the bare minimum in thread follow at least early on. If you vote to off x then x will usually get sheeped. The other major reason is the player who gets mayor is someone you want to be able to hold accountable. IE is that person going to push a lynch hard, or is he going to get feedback first before deciding to push a lynch target. Forcing discussion, actively pushing lynches, etc.. are the things commonly looked for in a mayor. A. You are wrong. I think the shear volume of posts about foolishness, palmar, L (who hasn't even posted) and other vets not trying for mayor proves this. People will listen to vets and those who are most vocal, regardless of whether or not they are mayor. Also, I don't care for the people trying to scrap by doing the bare minimum, fuck them, to quote flamewheel Of special importance for this game though: if you tend to "lurk" or I see that you are not putting effort into this game, despite not being modkilled you will be unable to participate in my future games. So please don't get modkilled and put a concerted effort into playing this. You are basically giving people an excuse to sheep the mayor. What the hell is that. My priority is getting 2 town elected officials. This is by far and away the best thing we can do on day 1. The mayor basically is a 3 power jack, with a dayvig shot, 2 extra votes and 2 bodyguards. Putting a scum member (regardless of how pro-town their campaign is) is terrible for town. This is why I have done everything logically under the sun to prove that I am town. And will vote for the person I believe to be most town running alongside me. | ||
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On January 14 2012 17:41 GiygaS wrote: Re: Mattchew being elected Said already, you're not confirmed, and you're obviously a pretty bad spot if you think you're confirmed because you pmed a dude. If we could see that PM log, that story may change though (if Foolishness says a role you don't want revealed you can censor that if it's keeping you). Seriously, if you're campaign is about transparency, show us examples. I showed PM log, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=44#867, sorry this is really hard not to type in caps. I have been transparent, open and honest this entire game. On January 14 2012 18:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: mkay wow a lot happened. I just wanna address the Mattchew candidacy. This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless. I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't. Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum. I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity. The only evidence you have is foolishness's word? I don't even know if foolishness is town. You should put as much into foolishness's word as anyone else who has posted like 5 times and 2 of them has been semi trolly campaign announcements. Foolishness did not come up with outing me, I went to him with that idea. Please re-read the PMs between me and him, which I have posted unlike any other Mason claiming. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Wanted to highlight that. I PM'd foolishness way too quick to have had any scum team plan especially one that describes whether or not he is "on to them" When I PM'd him it is unlikely there was even a majority of scum to vote me into mason and come up with this plan. The fact that mafia has to elect their mason should aid my innocence based off how quickly I PM'd. Establishing my own innocence is pro-town and alongside scum-hunting are the most important things for all townies to do. On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote: [/b]Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep. Topics to discuss: A) Mattchew Let’s analyze his post. That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682 He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot. In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real. Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky. Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is: ##vote Mattchew + Show Spoiler + Thank you for using your brain. On January 15 2012 00:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Other people we should't elect Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to. Once again, resisting the urge of capslock and name calling. please, please, please, re-read my filter. I am the one who suggests to foolishness that I run, I am the one who wants to out myself as a mason, I am the one who posted me and foolishness's PM's (without even asking him) and I am the one who is running for mayor right now (foolishness has made 1 post on me). One last note on my alignment. I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office. Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Onto other topics than my innocence and people's lack of reading comprehension. I am still campaigning on a Lynching of either Ciryandor, Mapco, or Chaosquo. They have all disappeared, posted like scummy shit and have not been pro-town at all. Thinking palmar is scum right now is like having a really large weight pulling at the end of your fishing line. It could be that trophy catch you've been waiting for your whole life, or it most likely is a boot. That is not to say he should be let off the hook though, Palmar you have posted very little to nothing at all. We all know you can be really good at town, if you truly are town, please start posting better. There are only 3 campaigns running that are not your standard cookie cutter mayoral campaigns. Those 3 are Bill Murray BloodyCobbler Myself As L said we need to get voting so that this wont be hijacked. | ||
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On January 15 2012 01:15 supersoft wrote: Alright, I need to get this game going and leave the lurker-mode: I want to introduce myself for the players that don't know me. I rolled town like my last 6 or 7 games and I think I learned a lot since then. I developped a pretty solid strategy to find scum. I a huge game like this I modified this strategy a little bit: I just devided all the players into 3 groups. The first group are players i am familiar with and I have special expectations about. The second group are players I don't know well and I expect them to do well and the thirdgroup are players I don't know well and I have no expectations. Each group of players will be divided into 4 categories. Townread, slight townread, no read and scumread. I will add quotes and short explanations to each player i add into one category. I really think finding town is the way to find scum. Real scumslips are extremely rare. _____________ I think this is a pretty good approach to contribute to this game and for the new players it's extremely important to I don't need to be mayor, but since I am someone who is working on the game, I think you better listen to me. Moreover if i request medicprotection, I don't do this for fun. Right now I feel pretty save since there are better targets than me, but when the time has come and I ask you to do me that favor, please don't screw up :D If someone wants to elect me as mayor, I don't say no. But right now I evaluate my chances as pretty low, so I don't want to cause even more chaos with a big campaign. Alright that's it. The mayoral campaigns are pretty poor so far. BC's is the best, but I expect him to write up the best mayoral candidacy post even as scum, so I have yet to decide who to vote for. _________ One thing I've left to say: Palmar, you need to increase your activitylvl. Otherwise you won't survive day1 that's for sure. You know I refuse to kill good palyers early on, because I think everyone has a bad day from time to time and a second chance isn't that bad. + mislynches happen far too often. And last but not least, I am always okay with lynching useless lurkers. They have to die at some point, it's no problem to kill one of them day1. (The list of these players is long right now). I don't care if it's easy for scum to manipulate these kills, townlukers are useless and scummy and when it comes down to lylo these guys are the ones that make town lose. sweet maybe you can actually say something in your next post | ||
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