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VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 19 2012 17:06 GMT

#2662

That is, what specifically is the most suspicious aspect of his play. To clarify. Please.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 19 2012 19:10 GMT

#2688

On January 20 2012 03:58 Toadesstern wrote:

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That easy:
Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me
Half of town thinks I'm mafia and the rest is not sure? - I'm town and a bunch of crazy people jumped out of nowhere, focusing on somethin I posted that made them think I meant something completly different and they stick with that.

Has been that way ALL THE TIME.

That second option is....pretty specific. So lynch you when everyone thinks your town? Why, because that's what happened last game? You keep coming back to last game you were scum. Why is that? You're using meta from your scum game to try and incriminate Sandroba. You allude to your last scum game in an attempt to defend yourself by saying "Whole town thinks I'm town? - Lynch me" Why would you say that as town? Why would you say that if you had nothing to hide? That doesn't make any sense. You're posting like flailing scum Toad, that's why people are suspicious, and I'm officially one of them.

Incoming!!

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 19 2012 20:30 GMT

#2697

On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.

Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does

At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad.

I'm going to go ahead and step in here WBG. I don't think it's damning at all to bring up "a random lynch we've never heard of" . Talk about the content of the case if you disagree with him. Do you find kingjames suspicious independently or are you just talking trash because some have expressed suspicion on him? Your basing your entire read, again, on meta if you say it's independent, and your meta reads are clearly fucking shit bro.

I suggest you speak to the content of his case. Maybe you'll see something I've missed. p4N's filter is pretty terribad. You're saying you disagree that the guy who spent 3 pages worth of clarifying why you were "speaking in third person" is suspicious? Are you going to do this right now WBG? AM I GONNA HAVE TO SMACK A BITCH WBG? AM I?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 19 2012 20:35 GMT

#2698

*ahem*

I mean...

##Vote: p4Ndemik

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 19 2012 21:47 GMT

#2705

On January 20 2012 06:23 p4NDemik wrote:
VE you baffle me. You totally agree with the biggest push I have made in the game up until this point, put in your vote to that effect, but you continue to swing wildly back and forth and put your vote back onto me. You acknowledge that I have a solid case, but just because kingjames keeps pushing me you keep forgetting that and voting for me. The most telling thing I have done all game is this lynch against supersoft and bill murray, I've drawn a line in the sand and you've said you agreed with that. This fact should carry more weight than me making some mistakes earlier in the game.

You've made some mistakes today, apart from your case entirely. I see merit in your case, and I intend to dissect it further...but I've found your responses inadequate to the charges brought against you. You say that kingjames is "all the mafia can do to discredit you"...when he's the only one who's made a case and aside from me the only one who's voted you. Who pray tell do you think mafia are then that are trying to "discredit" you? JUST kingjames01? kingjames01 and myself? Why isn't your vote on one of us? Do you think we're attempting to "save" supersoft simply by raising suspicion of you? YOU are the one with baffling play sir - and how you've escaped Protact is pretty well beyond me at this point.

But you know, we'll see soon.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 19 2012 22:12 GMT

#2712

On January 20 2012 07:02 bumatlarge wrote:

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On January 20 2012 04:07 wherebugsgo wrote:

On January 20 2012 03:50 jaj22 wrote:

On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:

On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote:
@Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?

What? Do YOU want Bill Murray to blow up two of those 3? Analyse Foolishness and Protactinium for yourself. They ARE and HAVE BEEN pro-Town from the beginning. Until that changes they should not be targetted.

That was my point. I should probably make those clearer.

On January 20 2012 02:25 kingjames01 wrote:
What about Protactinium's latest post don't you like? Analyse it for us and tell us what you think.

Ok. I forgot about a couple of bits that I was fine with, so my statement was inaccurate. Here goes:

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
GGQ is cool.

On January 18 2012 13:12 GGQ wrote:
Yeah so I hard defended macpo because I thought he posted like I did when I was new.

It's probably better to vig me tonight instead of wasting a lynch.

Mafia don't send out reminders that they defended mafia.
Mafia also don't ask to be vigged, since they can't influence vigs, but they certainly can influence lynches.
Nobody lynch him today, keke?

I covered this in another post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13201470

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
BM. In contrast to BM's day 1 posting, his day 2 is abyssmal. Its also become less frequent too, which exactly fits my prediction if he is mafia, as his mafia play deteriorates rapidly (for cross reference, TL Mafia XXII where he is the mafia GF). And yes I should be one to know this read as I was mafia with him in that game.

This is absolutely true except that BM had a really spammy patch in day 2, so I'm not too sure about the frequency point yet. In TL Mafia XXII his post count crashes at the end of day 2 and stays low.

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Toadesstern

On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p

Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here?

Also combine with my pressure yesterday, which showed that Toadesstern somehow knew what happened behind the scenes with sandroba influencing BC with Palmar's lynch.

What? Toad was trying to protect his scumbuddy GGQ and get his scumbuddies Sandroba and Macpo lynched instead? I don't buy the Palmar lynch influence knowledge point because it's quite plausible that Toad just jumped to a conclusion. I don't think it's even an illogical conclusion from the "compromise" post.

I'm guessing this is a pressure case because Protact can't get a read out of Toad's filter any more than I can

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Sandroba. Again, abyssmal day 2 posting compared to day 1. The case totally makes sense if you consider that Toadesstern somehow knows what goes on between sandroba/BC. As for explanations related to Ciryandor, yeah, mafia usually don't do that. But they do avoid pushing too hard where they can avoid it. Sandroba was never a viable mayor candidate, never votes for mayor (neutral, I suppose, but he doesn't vote for the person who brought up the Ciryandor case - read: me), and influences the Palmar lynch. Over Ciryandor, the person whose death he has supposedly been calling for all game in thread. Combined, these points outweigh his in thread support of Ciryandor. I know I vocally said he was town yesterday. But I lied. I only said that because I needed to get macpo lynched first lol.

I thought Sandroba's day 2 posting was better if anything. At least less trolly. Which mayor candidate was going to lynch Ciryandor? I thought Protactinium settled on Macpo. The Palmar lynch influence is a red mark but there was a plausible narrative based on Sandro's posts in the thread and the mason log.

Still not sure about Sandroba personally. I found a couple of his other town games: His LotR (town) filter looks much like his scum play, which this game does too, but his Mini Mafia X (town) posting was vastly superior. Actual care and effort put into posting. If he doesn't raise his game here I'll consider voting for him.

On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
bumatlarge. His apathetic posting and general lack of enthusiasm is strikingly different from his usual active town play.

This meta-read is beyond me. Any other vets want to comment on Bum?

I would agree with the meta read on bum primarily because he actually tries to contribute to town discussion and scumhunting when he is town. So far he (like most players in this game) has done very little.

Bum also tends to shy away from spotlight when he is scum. This is very unlike his play, for example, from steamship or any other game where he is town.

Wut? I don't shy away from the spotlight -_-! I wasn't able to post as much as I would like, but I keep up with the thread and stay active. There is little doubt in my mind that bill and meapak are scum.

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I'm happy to have struck a chord. GGQ is more or less irrelevant compared to you. I would make an effort to assess GGQ if you flipped town. As I seriously doubt that, I don't think GGQ would be a great bus at this point, so I would go with town if you are scum. GGQ is still in a bad position if you flip before him, so I would argue against his lynch.

If my posts really look like I'm not putting effort into them, I'll try harder to better them. meapak's post does nothing but make me more suspicious though, so as far as I'm concerned at the moment, he's the best lynch.

Wow what a quote war in this reply box. Bum can you explain in detail why you are suspicious of Meapak? I mean, you seem so certain, surely you can easily explain your reasoning. You also suggest that GGQ could be a bus while several other "less scummy" players are pushing for GGQ's lynch...so why would he be irrelevant? What makes Meapak a better lynch candidate than GGQ exactly?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 19 2012 23:11 GMT

#2719

Well - I certainly took responsibility for the Palmar lynch, in spite of having ample opportunity to blame WBG for the whole mess. And while superficially it could be argued that I was on-board with the Macpo lynch, I understand that in no way cleanses my erratic behavior. However, my posting has been pretty transparently town, which is what Bum I assume is referring to with his post. I suppose you think my claim was some kind of insane gambit that L and I cooked up for me to get elected? Is that what you want to bring to the table Jayjay?

I get that my play has been erratic - but if you want to point a finger, do it with some feeling JayJay. What, don't want to be the first on the wagon or something? Afraid of voting for me when you don't know what the GENERAL CONSENSUS is of my play?

I'll take your case seriously when you can prove that I have mafia intentions, and you vote for me. Until then, keep your silly theories to yourself JayJay. All you've proven to town is that VE is playing like a crazy person. Raise your hand if that surprises you everyone.

But I'm town, and I'm super serious now. I think the case on kingjames is decent - but his response to the case was much better than p4N's reaction to KJ's case. By far. It could be experience. It could be something more sinister. I'm just after the truth, and ultimately you'll find that's what this has ALL been about for me.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 19 2012 23:22 GMT

#2721

Kita weigh in bro. I'm taking BM as basically a smokescreen regardless of his alignment and I don't think he's the right lynch today, regardless of who my vote ends up on. I haven't made up my mind if BM is playing like crazy Town BM or cunning calculated Scum BM. Either way, he's done a pretty piss-poor job (no offense BM), although arguably if he's scum he's helping his faction more than if he's town by acting as an obfuscation mechanism for the D3 lynch.

Let's put it up guys - you know me, I'll fold under pressure. If you think I'm scum, vote to lynch me. If you don't, then pick your favorite pro-town voice and listen to what they have to say on the matter. Or decide for yourself. I'm at your mercy.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 19 2012 23:31 GMT

#2723

What last 2 games are you referring to Toad, if I may ask?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 00:05 GMT

#2734

I'm not an OMGUS anything, and this is the n'th time you've insisted that.

OMGUS is a term that applies exclusively...EXCLUSIVELY JAYJAY...to X who's attacking Y based solely on the fact that Y attacked X. I posted my case on Cheese, while the fact that he attacked me was mentioned, it was far from the actual meat of my argument - you need to stop calling it OMGUS because you're either mistaken or misrepresenting - but wrong in any case. My case on Cheese was what I felt at the time. He's changed my mind slightly, mainly based on the way he was generating conversation during the night after that lynch...but my case was serious and very NOT just OMGUS.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 00:26 GMT

#2742

Jackal, I'd actually like you to weigh in on this: you came in and apologized for your 'bad play' up until this point, justifying it with 'I have a gun yo I didn't wanna get shot!'

Would you consider my putting you on the lynch-list justified for the (succinct) reason I gave in my pre-dawn post? Would you consider my reasoning to be "OMGUS"?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 00:52 GMT

#2748

You still do? In spite of the fact that, by your request, I went and looked for myself and found analysis that HAD NOT been touched on before? Do you consider that to be scummy? Because I mean, calling me out on something is one thing - but the reaction should hold just as much weight as the action in my opinion - because they are independent actions anyway. As scum I'd have a whole plethora of choices available to me - is the fact that the choice I made, to go look for myself, find information on my own, bring that to the thread BEFORE he flipped scum and stick with it scummy to you?

And furthermore, I couldn't care less about "convincing JayJay"...it's town I have to convince. JayJay is attempting to discredit any scumhunting I've done by reducing it simply to OMGUS when that's just clearly not the case. No one's biting, and for that I'm thankful - but I don't want that kind of ridiculous nonsense IN THE THREAD because it's very obviously meant ONLY to discredit anything I say. Notice how JayJay hasn't even come forth and said whether he thinks I'm scum or not? He put me on his watch list. I put him on my LYNCH list...because I think he's scum, and because I want him lynched. The only reason I don't have a vote on him is because he's VERY NOT on any of the influential townies' radar yet. YET. I have a feeling he'll be up there soon enough though.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 01:50 GMT

#2763

On January 20 2012 10:30 Jackal58 wrote:

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Chill man. I'm just observing now. For what its worth I see about 20 people as scummy right now.

Jackal I need you to do more. I need to to be the leader that BC refuses to be. I need you to be the leader that Liquidia deserves, but hasn't needed until now.

Jackal I need you to be the goddamn Batman. BC is taking it to PMs and not leading shit. He promised he'd be transparent and easily read if we elected him. HE PROMISED JACKAL!

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 01:52 GMT

#2764

On January 20 2012 10:48 Bill Murray wrote:
I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him;
I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie
sandroba needs rope really badly
My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me
My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights
Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive.

Cwave masoned me yesterday
Jitsu masoned me yesterday
one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia
GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff

This is...not true. Dawn broke almost 24 hours ago, so you've got another 24 hours to live and prove to us that you care about town and NOT GG NO RE BM FUCK!!!

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 02:25 GMT

#2786

On January 20 2012 11:22 BrownBear wrote:

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Wait what. This is nonsensical and silly.

Why on earth do you have a bomb on Protact if you're MH? I thought you had a town read on him, or was I just imagining that?

If he's town, it's called blackmail. He knows no one (relatively speaking) wants Protact dead.

Humorously, if he's willing to do that, then I can also see him lying about that as town to try and survive the lynch - but for what purpose?

I need someone to talk me out of this BM lynch quick. I still have no idea of his alignment, but I don't think extra days are going to help, and in fact if he's telling the truth, could hurt town depending on what he does. :S

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 03:46 GMT

#2817

Bill you fuck

If you didn't go all GG on everyone, you'd realize that you have another 24 hours still

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 19:14 GMT

#2914

WBG is scum. I'ma vote for WBG. He's been pushing for Toad for days, and aside from "I don't like him" he hasn't given any good reason why he needs to die. And now that Toad has taken a hit, WBG disappears. It could be a coincidence, and it might not be. I think WBG is scum who can't find an 'easy' target to attack.

##Vote: WBG

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 19:24 GMT

#2919

Vote WBG instead Protact. I can assure you, the read will be more entertaining.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 22:25 GMT

#3019

##Unvote: p4Ndemik
##Vote: Bill Murray

And stuff. p4n, if you're scum you're likely to show it in the coming days, so I'm willing to give that to you. BM has had ample time to show that he cares about town, but all he's succeeded in doing is introduce confusion, doubt and fear in town. That's a scum-agenda. I'll vote BM.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

January 20 2012 22:40 GMT

#3026

Also I've unvoted WBG in favor of Sandroba. I feel like not only is he a safer bet for scum, his lynch will be very telling for the power-trio's intentions. Sandroba called out L and Macpo, so them basing their lynch choice based on activity goes directly against the way they've been scumhunting so far when there are other, better candidates like WBG and GGQ.

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