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On August 15 2011 06:25 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:11 Sevryn wrote:On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:I present to you: THE PLAN!!!![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/omzLG.jpg) Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately: - Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals. - Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand. - Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide. - Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role. Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D VOTINGMultiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker. CELLSAre stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased. Discuss! Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched. "oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz" If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
Sounds like rivals could be of any alignment man.
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On August 15 2011 06:30 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:25 DropBear wrote:On August 15 2011 06:11 Sevryn wrote:On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:I present to you: THE PLAN!!!Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately: - Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals. - Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand. - Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide. - Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role. Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D VOTINGMultiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker. CELLSAre stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased. Discuss! Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched. "oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz" If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition. Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start. Sounds like rivals could be of any alignment man.
Yeah, but if a rival would be scum-aligned, wouldn't that make it too easy?
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On August 15 2011 06:31 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:30 Jackal58 wrote:On August 15 2011 06:25 DropBear wrote:On August 15 2011 06:11 Sevryn wrote:On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:I present to you: THE PLAN!!!Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately: - Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals. - Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand. - Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide. - Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role. Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D VOTINGMultiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker. CELLSAre stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased. Discuss! Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched. "oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz" If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition. Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start. Sounds like rivals could be of any alignment man. Yeah, but if a rival would be scum-aligned, wouldn't that make it too easy?
I dunno. The last part describing a rivals wincon is confusing to me.
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They win with their team so a scum rival would win with the scum if his rival dies
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On August 15 2011 06:27 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:25 DropBear wrote:On August 15 2011 06:11 Sevryn wrote:On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:I present to you: THE PLAN!!!Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately: - Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals. - Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand. - Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide. - Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role. Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D VOTINGMultiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker. CELLSAre stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased. Discuss! Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched. "oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz" If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition. unless the rival is scum....
It is less likely for Mafiosos to be paired with Townies as rivals. Mafia and Townies are already opposed. Mafia are not going to be paired with themselves either, its hard enough being a mafioso as it is without completely disrupting the team. I would be very confident that any rivals are Town/Town.
If we do get a Townie/Mafioso rival pairing, the townie should claim now. If the Mafioso denies the pairing, they will be killed for lying as soon as the townie flips. If he ignores the claim, he will be offed as well. He has to confirm the claim or he is dead. The mafioso in the pair can't win unless that person dies, so he can't just bring them to endgame. He's under pressure to stay hidden but he absolutely has to take out his rival as well. Pressure on scum is a good thing 
How do you feel about the other claims I suggested?
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ok so no1s really talking so i figured out id start up the conversation  i like The Plan! its a good one, also if we multilynch (coined a new term ) too soon well unnecessarilly kick people out and we dont want to end up eliminating, say, our doctor or other beneficial roles too early (well... really at all) i would like to hear others opinions so that we can really formulate a plan
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DropBear's plan: Don't agree with role/traitclaiming. I never support claiming, especially in PM games, it causes confusion and is not worth the potential risk. The rest of his plan seems to be him saying not to do things that people generally tend to avoid the first few nights (Multilynch, cells).
A pretty empty plan for the most part. Could be a godfather-mayor type thing, putting town in his hands from the beginning.
On August 15 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
I also agree with Claiming the above Traits. Claiming Rabid fanboy is a good call too. i didn't think about that. The only problem with that is that the second in command might be a member of the Mafia, and we will have just given them additional power. Im not sure exactly into who's hands that would play out though.
I also agree with your plan on Voting and cells. the last thing we need in this game is multitown kills and dissenting factions within the town.
I don't like this post. He says "I AGREE! :D" Way to contribute.
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On August 15 2011 06:44 slam500 wrote:ok so no1s really talking so i figured out id start up the conversation i like The Plan! its a good one, also if we multilynch (coined a new term ) too soon well unnecessarilly kick people out and we dont want to end up eliminating, say, our doctor or other beneficial roles too early (well... really at all) i would like to hear others opinions so that we can really formulate a plan
I completely agree. However, I do thik the the multilynch can be useful if we have confirmed scum but don't want to waste a vigi hit on it.
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On August 15 2011 06:43 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:27 Sevryn wrote:On August 15 2011 06:25 DropBear wrote:On August 15 2011 06:11 Sevryn wrote:On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:I present to you: THE PLAN!!!Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately: - Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals. - Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand. - Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide. - Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role. Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D VOTINGMultiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker. CELLSAre stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased. Discuss! Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched. "oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz" If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition. unless the rival is scum.... It is less likely for Mafiosos to be paired with Townies as rivals. Mafia and Townies are already opposed. Mafia are not going to be paired with themselves either, its hard enough being a mafioso as it is without completely disrupting the team. I would be very confident that any rivals are Town/Town. If we do get a Townie/Mafioso rival pairing, the townie should claim now. If the Mafioso denies the pairing, they will be killed for lying as soon as the townie flips. If he ignores the claim, he will be offed as well. He has to confirm the claim or he is dead. The mafioso in the pair can't win unless that person dies, so he can't just bring them to endgame. He's under pressure to stay hidden but he absolutely has to take out his rival as well. Pressure on scum is a good thing How do you feel about the other claims I suggested?
Okay what?
how would the rival know if its rival was scum? honestly you seem to really want rivals to claim. maybe so your scum buddies can shoot the rival and hope he claimed to someone so we lynch their rival?
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The best counter to rivals messing things up is if we just analyze posts and come to our own decisions if someone looks like they are tunneling see if they have a reason or they might be a scum/rival either way its suspicious so if i rival wants to win they wont tunnel hard and it wont affect our game as much.
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On August 15 2011 06:43 DropBear wrote:It is less likely for Mafiosos to be paired with Townies as rivals. Mafia and Townies are already opposed. Mafia are not going to be paired with themselves either, its hard enough being a mafioso as it is without completely disrupting the team. I would be very confident that any rivals are Town/Town. If we do get a Townie/Mafioso rival pairing, the townie should claim now. If the Mafioso denies the pairing, they will be killed for lying as soon as the townie flips. If he ignores the claim, he will be offed as well. He has to confirm the claim or he is dead. The mafioso in the pair can't win unless that person dies, so he can't just bring them to endgame. He's under pressure to stay hidden but he absolutely has to take out his rival as well. Pressure on scum is a good thing How do you feel about the other claims I suggested?
Not true. I've played with Mafia/Town rivals before. The whole point of that is that the town rival has to defend this rival without the town suspecting him as scum, or decide to give himself up (which would be stupid).
I don't support the other claims. Maybe the Rabid Fanboy leader, but if he's scum then why claim? I don't like claiming.
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If we suspect someone as a rival should we kill them to try and take away the win condition of the other rival so they play like a vanilla townie/scum and dont mess with out scumdar?
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On August 15 2011 06:50 Sknowman wrote:DropBear's plan: Don't agree with role/traitclaiming. I never support claiming, especially in PM games, it causes confusion and is not worth the potential risk. The rest of his plan seems to be him saying not to do things that people generally tend to avoid the first few nights (Multilynch, cells). A pretty empty plan for the most part. Could be a godfather-mayor type thing, putting town in his hands from the beginning. Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
I also agree with Claiming the above Traits. Claiming Rabid fanboy is a good call too. i didn't think about that. The only problem with that is that the second in command might be a member of the Mafia, and we will have just given them additional power. Im not sure exactly into who's hands that would play out though.
I also agree with your plan on Voting and cells. the last thing we need in this game is multitown kills and dissenting factions within the town. I don't like this post. He says "I AGREE! :D" Way to contribute.
No, i agreed with some of the overall idea, but if you notice in the post I actually give a reason why role claiming the Rabid fanboy could be detrimental as his death could inadvertantly give the maifia power.
I would like to state that i feel as though claiming rivals might not be the best idea now that i think about it. I feel as though it might cause more harm and confusion than ultimate good.
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On August 15 2011 06:57 GreYMisT wrote:
No, i agreed with some of the overall idea, but if you notice in the post I actually give a reason why role claiming the Rabid fanboy could be detrimental as his death could inadvertantly give the maifia power.
I would like to state that i feel as though claiming rivals might not be the best idea now that i think about it. I feel as though it might cause more harm and confusion than ultimate good.
Yes, but the Rabid fanboy leader could be scum from the start. Point is WIFOM.
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Mass claiming, I haven´t seen that many arguments for or against, mostly it´s people just agreeing. Those in Dropbears post are powerfull roles (except the Rival), isn´t claiming just giving ammo to the scum? Does knowing those roles help Town? Doesn´t it help Scum more than it helps Town?
There might be benefit to Rival claiming, if they all claim, and that is that scum can´t claim rival later on, to defend themselves when they are accused of tunneling without reason. We can´t know if everyone claims, though, so people can still do it.
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On August 15 2011 07:10 Forumite wrote:
Mass claiming, I haven´t seen that many arguments for or against, mostly it´s people just agreeing. Those in Dropbears post are powerfull roles (except the Rival), isn´t claiming just giving ammo to the scum? Does knowing those roles help Town? Doesn´t it help Scum more than it helps Town?
There might be benefit to Rival claiming, if they all claim, and that is that scum can´t claim rival later on, to defend themselves when they are accused of tunneling without reason. We can´t know if everyone claims, though, so people can still do it.
XYZ i dont have an opinion, people seem to agree with it though. What if scum scums out?
Maybe its good though. Buy maybe it isnt.
##vote forumite
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wait we can vote? I thought this was a short night 0 without a lynch.
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its night 0, why are people voting?
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ill hold my post in the thread till the day, no worries.
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EBWOP
In case it wasn´t clear, I´m against mass claiming.
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